Friday, August 16, 2019

Isreal Offers Tlaib Humanitarian Waiver to Visit

Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib said Friday she would not visit her grandmother in the occupied West Bank, despite being granted an Israeli permit on humanitarian grounds, saying Israel's "oppressive" conditions aimed to humiliate her.

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To recap:

Tlaib claims that she really needs to see her 90 year old Grandma, sends letter saying she won't advocate BDS while she is there.

Israel has a law banning BDS supporters, but grants humanitarian waiver when Tlaib promises, in writing, not to advocate boycotts during visit.

Israel releases signed letter to press to justify decision to grant waiver, which pisses Tlaib off.

Tlaib decides that visiting Grandma isn't really that important, refuses to go.

Tell me again why Tlaib and Omar didn't just join the other 72 House members on the official delegation that visited Israel last week?

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 02:27 PM

She's a fraud. She'd rather boycott Granny if she can't spew her hate speech.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-16 02:31 PM

#2

I have been willing to give her the benefit of the doubt up until now, but it certainly seems that way.

It's also telling that none of the Usual Dolts of the DR Left have even tried to answer my question about why Tlaib and Omar didn't just visit as part of the official delegation last week.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 02:36 PM

But then the Interior Ministry released a letter purportedly signed by Tlaib in which she promised not to advocate boycotts during her visit.

Why would they use that word? Was it or wasn't it signed by Tlaib?

It would be weird for Israel to forge the signatures. But "purportedly" makes me unsure of who signed what.

Tell me again why Tlaib and Omar didn't just join the other 72 House members on the official delegation that visited Israel last week?

Perhaps they were boycotting the visit. Perhaps they had other things to do during that time. I'm not sure what you're trying to infer. Their request is only politically motivated? Maybe.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 02:36 PM

"Visiting my grandmother under these oppressive conditions meant to humiliate me would break my grandmother's heart," she said in a statement. "Silencing me with treatment to make me feel less-than is not what she wants for me " it would kill a piece of me that always stands up against racism and injustice."

Her plan all along; play victim.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 02:37 PM

It's also telling that none of the Usual Dolts of the DR Left have even tried to answer my question about why Tlaib and Omar didn't just visit as part of the official delegation last week.

Because there's no clear cut answer to your question.

It's not two plus two is four.

It's, determine the motive of these women. Which allows for only speculations and assumptions.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 02:39 PM

"It would be weird for Israel to forge the signatures."

No it wouldn't.

They ran a Mossad hit using false Canadian passports.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 02:39 PM

It's, determine the motive of these women. Which allows for only speculations and assumptions.
#6 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Hardly any speculation necessary, when their entire platform has consisted of claims of misogyny, racism, and Muslim bans.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 02:43 PM

The important thing that's happening here is both Trump and Netanyahu are de-legitimizing democracy and dissent by saying the State can't abide differences of opinion, even among duly elected representatives.

Even some Republicans can see it.

But not the Republicans here.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 02:44 PM

I don't think, in this instance, that Israel would go to the lengths of forging a letter on Congressional staitionary and then releasing it to the press, but the Mossad does have "balls big as churchbells."

Deri's office released what it said was Tlaib's request, written on congressional stationery and dated Thursday, in which she said she wanted to visit her grandmother, who is in her 90s.

"This could be my last opportunity to see her. I will respect any restrictions and will not promote boycotts against Israel during my visit," she said. Tlaib's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the letter's authenticity.

My guess is that she did send the letter, but then this happened:

Palestinians had expressed disappointment with the letter. Ali Abunimah, a prominent Palestinian activist, tweeted that Tlaib should have used her platform to highlight Israel's restrictions "instead of writing that humiliating letter asking the occupier to treat her as an exception in exchange for abiding by its restrictions.'"

Once she decided that Granny wasn't worth it, the Israeli Interior Minister who granted the humanitarian request had this to say:

Deri, the interior minister, said after the cancellation that her initial request was apparently a "provocative request, aimed at bashing the State of Israel."

"Apparently her hate for Israel overcomes her love for her grandmother," he tweeted.

Not a good look for Tlaib now matter how hard you try to spin it.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 02:49 PM

Tell me again why Tlaib and Omar didn't just join the other 72 House members on the official delegation that visited Israel last week?

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter

The so-called 'official delegation' was sponsored by AIPAC, a pro-Israel political action committee, and the two Muslim Congresswomen were NOT invited.

OCU

#11 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-16 02:58 PM

But not the Republicans here.
#9 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What Republicans?

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 02:58 PM

#11

Wrong, ALL freshman Members of Congress were invited on the trip by the American Israeli Education Foundation, which is part of AIPAC, they just decided to #skipthetrip:

"Tlaib, Omar and Ocasio-Cortez skipped the trip specifically designed for all of their fellow freshmen members of Congress by the American Israeli Education Foundation, a division of the American Israeli Political Affairs Committee."

Largest-ever congressional delegation visits Israel in show of bipartisan support

Time to update your talking points sources.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 03:05 PM

LOL @ocuser......

Why would you say a lie like that? And you said it like you thought it was true, or at least was supposed to be true.

So them being invited just didnt fit your narrative, did it?

So I guess they couldnt have been victims if they were invited, could they? So you had to say there was an injustice done to them, like not inviting them, right?

#14 | Posted by boaz at 2019-08-16 03:34 PM

The important thing that's happening here is both Trump and Netanyahu are de-legitimizing democracy and dissent by saying the State can't abide differences of opinion, even among duly elected representatives.
#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 02:44 PM

Why did you leave Obama off of that list?
"Obama signs anti-BDS bill into law"
www.timesofisrael.com
Was it sheer ignorance or just an unwillingness to admit to reality?

#15 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-16 03:42 PM

Ouch.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 03:46 PM

It would be weird for Israel to forge the signatures. But "purportedly" makes me unsure of who signed what.

Looks like Tlaib signed the letter but is now saying the Israelis "forced" her to do it. Tlaibs office released the following statement:

"The Israeli government used my love and desire to see my grandmother to silence me and made my ability to do so contingent upon my signing a letter " reflecting just how undemocratic and afraid they are of the truth my trip would reveal about what is happening in the State of Israel and to Palestinians living under occupation with United States support," she said in the statement."

Talk about making their point for them...not a good look for Rep. Tlaib.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 04:40 PM

Humanitarian waiver with conditions.

I would have not have accepted it either.

Let the world see.

#18 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-08-16 05:26 PM

#18 - I'm with you on that. Tlaib's twitter account (not the trolls responding, but her actual twitter account) she makes a good case for her actions. The more I find out the more I like her and appreciate her stance and actions.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-16 05:35 PM

"Tlaib, Omar and Ocasio-Cortez skipped the trip specifically designed for all of their fellow freshmen members of Congress by the American Israeli Education Foundation, a division of the American Israeli Political Affairs Committee."

Dude. There's your answer.

It would have been extremely hypocritical for them to go on this trip after being so critical of AIPAC and the amount of influence they have on our government.

I'm not sure why you ever wondered why they refused to go when you had your answer all along.

Mystery solved.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 05:41 PM

Looks like Tlaib signed the letter but is now saying the Israelis "forced" her to do it.

Makes sense.

She wanted to go see her grandmother and this was the prerequisite to do so.

She may have been conflicted about her decision to sign.

She may have regretted doing so because it compromised her position on how Israel treats Palestinians.

Which caused her to refuse to go even after signing because she was unwilling to remain silent.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 05:46 PM

#20 - so obvious, so intentionally ignored.
Instead, her critics fake outrage and pretend to weep and gnash their teeth over her actions.
Soon they'll be covered in ashes and wearing only sackcloth.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-16 05:49 PM

- She wanted to go see her grandmother

No she didn't. She used Granny as a political prop to play Drama Queen.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 05:56 PM

I honestly don't get the overwhelming obsession conservatives have with AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Tlaib.

They're three members of Congress and collectively don't have enough power to get a stop sign put up.

Yet, Republicans treat them like they're going to change the way America works.

It's petty and ridiculous.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 05:57 PM

I honestly don't get the overwhelming obsession conservatives have with AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Tlaib.
They're three members of Congress and collectively don't have enough power to get a stop sign put up.
Yet, Republicans treat them like they're going to change the way America works.
It's petty and ridiculous.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-16 05:57 PM | REPLY

Religious bigotry will do that.

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-16 05:59 PM

It's the strategy of the GOP - has been for years.
Make someone the face of the Democratic party.
Focus on them, make them a caricature.
Direct an all out campaign against them, demonizing them.
Make tons of money.
Get their voters out to vote against the "evil {fill in the blank}."

They lost Bill, they lost Hillary, they lost Pelosi - she's just too damn good, so now it's "The Squad" and Trump's their cheerleader.

And the dumbass followers never wise up, or don't care - as long as they have someone to blame for their misery. The GOP won't actually help them, either, because their anger and bitterness is key to GOP victories.

#26 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-16 06:02 PM

@#1 ... To recap: ...

Looks like Pres Trump got played by Rep Tlaib, resulting in the outcome she wanted.

What chance does Pres Trump have against Pres Putin if Rep Tlaib bests him so easily?

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-16 06:03 PM

What chance does Pres Trump have against Pres Putin

You might as well ponder what chance the sock puppet has against the hand.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 06:14 PM

"I honestly don't get the overwhelming obsession conservatives have with AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Tlaib."

It's what is being marketed to them by their right-wing media outlets.

"Yet, Republicans treat them like they're going to change the way America works. "

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt are the motivators for the right. And lower taxes.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 06:32 PM

"I honestly don't get the overwhelming obsession conservatives have with AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Tlaib."

Hillary has been put to pasture. A new right-wing boogie man had to be erected. Is it fortuitous coincidence that they are nonwhite?

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-08-16 06:35 PM

Non White
Non Christian
Non Male

What's not to hate?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 06:38 PM

She may have regretted doing so because it compromised her position on how Israel treats Palestinians.

Dingdingding, we have a winnah!!

Once it became public that she had agreed to the conditions, the Progressives for Palestein lost their shht and Grandma got thrown to the curb.

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 08:38 PM

"Palestein" LOL, weirdest typo ever.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 08:39 PM

#27

If you think that Tlaib "got the outcome that she wanted"...looking like a sellout by agreeing to Israel's conditions before walking it back (and losing all credibility about needing to see Grandma), then she is either a terrible politician or just stupid, because this is not the look she wanted.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 08:43 PM

The outcome of "You can either visit grandma, or protest the occupation, but not both" is fine for Tlaib.

It's close enough to a Sophie's Choice to prove her point.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 08:44 PM

#35

Hardly, "Sofie" Tlaib threw her bedrock principles under the bus by agreeing, in writing, to Israel's conditions for the waiver.

She only walked it back when it became public, thus switching the kids that would be favored (and spared death) by her choice.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-16 08:51 PM

What "bedrock principles" are those?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 08:55 PM

Regardless, the fact that Israel feels they needed her to sign this agreement shows they are afraid to let her speak her mind.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 08:56 PM

It's pretty sick how she used her 90-yr-old granny.

What a self-absorbed woman.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 09:09 PM

So self-absorbed, Israel refuses to let her come to Israel and speak about other things...

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 09:14 PM

Once it became public that she had agreed to the conditions, the Progressives for Palestein lost their shht and Grandma got thrown to the curb.

I don't know. I mean. That's definitely your interpretation of events. Which might be the case.

I'm sticking with my #21.

It's a difficult spot to be in.

Stand by your convictions and the people of Palestine, or visit your elderly grandmother.

It's a sad spot to be in.

Knowing that you may never see your grandmother again is a difficult sacrifice to make.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-16 09:25 PM

Does she have some sort of right to enter a foreign country with the intent of creating negative publicity about her host?

Does she have a right to incite a flashmob and create a potentially dangerous situation in what's already a powder keg?

Visiting poor granny was just a sympathy ploy that blew up in her face. SHe's a Drama Queen.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 09:26 PM

So self-absorbed, Israel refuses to let her come to Israel and speak about other things...
#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Like?

Making Cookies?

That being said, no country should welcome people that wish its demise.

FreeSpeech has consequences, or so I am told, but and when you're accustomed to privilege of yelling and screaming like a child, equality feels like oppression.
www.youtube.com

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-16 09:28 PM

"Does she have some sort of right to enter a foreign country with the intent of creating negative publicity about her host?"

I couldn't tell you if Israel recognizes the right to freedom of speech.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 09:31 PM

"Does she have some sort of right to enter a foreign country with the intent of creating negative publicity about her host?"

www.commondreams.org

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-16 09:34 PM

figures sheeple, once again, is the total opposite of bernie.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-16 09:35 PM

What's the issue? she wore white and even clapped at trumps SOTU speech. She should go since she was complicit in sending 37 billion again this year to isreal. At least get a nice trip out of that.

#47 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-16 09:47 PM

"figures sheeple, once again, is the total opposite of bernie."

It's like a broken clock, except instead of being right twice a day, it always tells the opposite time of whatever time Bernie Sanders says it is.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 09:55 PM

Not a good look for Tlaib

Ok. I won't vote for Rashida Tlaib.

Tell me again why I should give a ---- about this woman? I mean, beside the fact that your cult leader needs to invent controversy about her in order to deflect from his dumpster fire of a presidency.

Why do you care about Rashida Tlaib?

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-16 10:22 PM

Tell me again why I should give a ---- about this woman? I mean, beside the fact that your cult leader needs to invent controversy about her in order to deflect from his dumpster fire of a presidency.
Why do you care about Rashida Tlaib?

POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-08-16 10:22 PM | REPLY

They are attacking her to protect Trump. Whatever it takes that's what they will do.

#50 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-16 10:51 PM

"That being said, no country should welcome people that wish its demise."

Funny comment, from a citizen whose country is 1.2% Native American.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-16 11:09 PM

Funny comment, from a citizen whose country is 1.2% Native American.
#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Native America was a country?

Did it have citizens?

A government?

Healthcare?

Taxes?

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-16 11:18 PM

"...no country should welcome people that wish its demise."

Lucky for you, you're already here.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-16 11:28 PM

www.commondreams.org
#45 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Sanders Says If Israel Wants to Ban Members of Congress, It Should Not Receive Billions in US Military Aid

figures sheeple, once again, is the total opposite of bernie.
#46 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Actually, I've said many times that Israel should stand on it's own; no money, no weapons, no protection. Go ahead, Hans it on the wayback, genius. If the State of Israel wants to bully its neighbors, or missile strike rock throwers, I don't want to contribute a nickel. I've created multiple threads and contributed dozens of articles on injustices against Palestinians

That has nothing to do with Drama Queen's political ploy to use the granny card, to throw a hissy fit on foreign soil as a representative of Congress. She should have traveled with the delegation and visited her granny. If she didn't want to be part of a bipartisan delegation, then she should have stayed home and made her speech from some other platform.

#54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 11:30 PM

#51

They're not native, snoofy, just first.

#55 | Posted by willowby at 2019-08-17 12:10 AM

The radical left doesn't like laws banning people from entering. Just look at the southern border invasion they're abetting. Israel has a law banning people advocating for their destruction from entering.

#56 | Posted by willowby at 2019-08-17 12:44 AM

They're not native, snoofy, just first.

Distinction without a difference.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-17 12:44 AM

The radical left doesn't exist.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-17 02:06 AM

Funny comment, from a citizen whose country is 1.2% Native American.
#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Native America was a country?
Did it have citizens?
A government?
Healthcare?
Taxes?

#52 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Is that what is required in order to be exempt from invasion and extermination? By the way, there were many "nations" here when the Europeans arrived, and they had government, which implies citizenship. Did the invading Europeans have "healthcare"? The Iroquois had established a democracy which, some argue, inspired the U.S. Constitution. Does that somehow justify what amounts to genocide?

#59 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-08-17 01:30 PM

"Native America was a country?
Did it have citizens?
A government?
Healthcare?
Taxes?
#52 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS"

Several countries
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

Stay in school, kids!

It's also Very Very Special how you listed health care as a thing that defines a country, since here in not everyone in America has health care, and you like it that way.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-17 05:27 PM

Isntreal is pushing Palestineans off the land in a humanitarian way - with the help of Kushner, Adelson, and Zion Don himself.

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