Tuesday, September 17, 2019

'Locked and Loaded' Trump Says 'I Don't Wanna Go to War'

President Donald Trump has said that it looks like Iran is behind the attacks on oil plants in Saudi Arabia but stressed he did not want to go to war, as the attacks sent oil prices soaring and raised fears of a new Middle East conflict. A day after saying the United States was "locked and loaded" to respond to the incident, Trump said on Monday there was "no rush" to do so. "We have a lot of options but I'm not looking at options right now. We want to find definitively who did this," he said. "I'm somebody that would like not to have war."

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Hahahaha..... Useless guy. LOL

And I had the popcorn all ready.... I want my money back!

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-17 03:13 AM

I am sure the Trump lovers around here will go that he is using SunTzu's war strategy... The closer you are, the further you should appear to be." and "If you are weak, pretend to be strong. If you are strong, pretend to be weak."

But no... no way this buffoon is doing any of THAT. Just not bright enough.

#2 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-17 03:24 AM

Everyone has seen a chicken-bully. Witness Donald Trump.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 08:03 AM

Now, if Trump follows the North Korea pattern he'll now fall in love with the mullahs after getting some very nice letters.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 08:04 AM

Trump's a manchild playing a very grown ups game and he's soiling himself because he doesn't know what to do.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-17 08:33 AM

We have the most prepared military in... most prepared... well in ever.

- Fat Nixon.

The dementia sets in more and more each day.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-17 09:38 AM

TDSers are so pathetic. Bitch if Trump doesn't go to war. Bitch if he wants to go to war.

Be honest and admit it, guys -- you are against whatever Trump does or says, regardless. Your party and the biased media have you at the end of their puppet strings and you mindlessly dance to their tune.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-17 09:43 AM

I agree with Trump rarely but this is one of those times.

We do not need to be fighting wars for other countries who wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire. Besides I'm not convinced that we even know a bit of truth about who bombed anything over there.

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-17 10:13 AM

Bitch if Trump doesn't go to war. Bitch if he wants to go to war.

This is MY thread GOATEE.... I am bitching because he is not going to war.

I need some action. There is nothing good to watch right now... after watching "Castle of Paper" aka "Money Heist" every other tv show or movie seems dumb in comparison.

Waiting for new season of "Man in the High Castle" (Nov 15).. until then, the war on Iran will work for me.

#9 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-17 10:18 AM

Jokes aside, fact is, Iran only behaves itself when it's getting hammered.

The mullas need to go.

#10 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-17 10:20 AM

Bitch if Trump doesn't go to war. Bitch if he wants to go to war.

#7 | Posted by goatman at

It has something to do with him not knowing how to do either.

It also has to do with the teasing whiplash we get when Trump changes his mind several times in a day.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 10:31 AM

@#7 ... TDS ...

I agree about the Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Pres Trump, while probably not deranged yet, seems to be getting closer with each passing day.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-17 10:34 AM

Regarding TDS, I honestly don't think in this case people are necessarily bitching about his policy but about how that policy is relayed.

1-2 days ago Trump was all talk regarding going to war. "We know who did it, we're ready to fight," etc. Today, he backtracks BOTH of those statements PUBLICLY.

The same people who chided Obama for his red line statement are going to be on the DR praising Trump for his careful handling of this situation.

As for me, I'm happy to not go to war. This is the right way to approach a problem like this. But also, you can't broadcast 1. that you're going to attack, and 2. that you're going to attack when ANOTHER country says it's time, and then back off and be like, "Meh, I think maybe caution is the right answer here." The problem is not really Trump's policy; it's his PUBLIC inconsistency in creating any sort of a unified response to this attack.

#13 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-09-17 11:09 AM

Also, it's America's job. It's the dumbest job in the world... being the World's Policeman... but it's what America has taken upon itself to do all over the world. America likes doing it... 20 years of Afghanistan proves that.

So go do your fraking job.

Slackers...

#14 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-17 11:20 AM

This is what Trump does. Chaos is his management style. He said, at the beginning of the 2016 campaign that he wasn't going to telegraph his moves. No one knows what he's going to go, much less the medieval shepherds in the ME.

#15 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-17 11:52 AM

Trump is mostly a clueless dolt, but some malfunctioning neural process in that fast degenerating brain seems to occasionally understand when he is being played by the MIC and the neocon ------- on both sides of the aisle-- and he backs off.

Let's hope that neural process continues to malfunction for the next couple more years.

#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-09-17 12:26 PM

*Strike on oil facilities (0 people killed)*

Trump: "We are locked and loaded!"

Jesus, how can anyone defend this

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-17 12:36 PM

No one knows what he's (Trump) going to do

#15 | Posted by lee_the_agent

The word you're looking for is erratic.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 12:42 PM

There's a difference between being prepared to fight and looking for a fight. It was one of the primary differences between Trump and Hillary.

#19 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-09-17 12:44 PM

"Jesus, how can anyone defend this"

Those who want war or think that somehow starting a war with Iran will make a more secure world, in the long run.

There's a lot of them in the media and in the political realm. That is why there isn't a single anti-interventionist presidential candidate who stands a chance on both the Repub and Democrat sides.

#20 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-09-17 12:47 PM

"There's a lot of them in the media and in the political realm."

A few weeks back I was watching PBS Newshour. They were covering Iran, and brought in two people with contrasting points of view. I settled in for what I believed would be an interesting debate on the subject. Turns out that the contrast was over whether we should hit Iran hard or really hard.

#21 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-09-17 12:57 PM

#18

Strategic erraticism.

#22 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-17 01:01 PM

Strategic erraticism.

#22 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Donald Trump pulls it out of his ass.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-17 01:08 PM

Si vis pacem, para bellum (Classical Latin: [si wis pak para bll]) is a Latin adage translated as "If you want peace, prepare for war". The phrase is used above all to affirm that one of the most effective means to ensure peace for a people is always to be armed and ready to defend oneself.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-09-17 01:34 PM

"Turns out that the contrast was over whether we should hit Iran hard or really hard"

Those who merely supported hitting Iran hard are then cast as anti-Semitic pro-Muslim terrorist sympathizers.

#25 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-09-17 01:34 PM

"Si vis pacem, para bellum (Classical Latin: [si wis pak para bll]) is a Latin adage translated as "If you want peace, prepare for war". The phrase is used above all to affirm that one of the most effective means to ensure peace for a people is always to be armed and ready to defend oneself."

Not really, because those who are always armed have a strange historical habit of going out of their way to look for beasts to fight-- an offensive and not a defensive posture, which ultimately leads to further insecurity and LESS peace.

The most effective means to peace (in the classical Latin) "Vincit qui se vincit" which roughly translates to "conquer yourself in order to conquer" or, in other words-- "police yourself before you police others"

#26 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-09-17 01:42 PM

So these drones flew over the Persian Gulf that is patrolled by our navy and they didn't notice them?

#27 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-17 01:57 PM

"So these drones flew over the Persian Gulf that is patrolled by our navy and they didn't notice them"

They were coated in a layer of invisible paint, courtesy of the Mossad. The paint is just regular exterior oil-based enamel-- it doesn't really render them invisible-- but when its the Mossad who's doing the painting, the American military usually looks the other way...

#28 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-09-17 02:09 PM

I don't think we need dead American sailors in sunken ships at the bottom of the Straights of Hormuz over a bombing at another countries' oil facility.

Iran is not Iraq. This is not a cakewalk.

#29 | Posted by dibblda at 2019-09-17 02:16 PM

I don't want to go to war but we will.

The Saudi's said Iran did it. Iran said Iraq did it. QAnon said Hillary did it.

I know I campaigned on ending these wars but this is the last one I swear.

We have like super tough soldiers and tanks and planes.

At least George Bush was consistent. Trump not so much.

#30 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-09-17 03:01 PM

No one knows what he's going to go, much less the medieval shepherds in the ME.

#15 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Putin, israel, and saudi arabia get to sign off on trump's moves. Those are the countries with the dirt on him to ruin him if they wanted to.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 03:03 PM

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Fox News!

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-17 03:07 PM

#31

Strange bedfellows there. Iran is nearly a client state of Russia, while they are competitors to Saudi Arabia for being the premier power in the Middle East and as long as the mullahs are in power a potential threat to Israel. So Putin will be super against war while Saudi Arabia is super for war while Israel just wants the mullahs kicked out.

#33 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-17 03:13 PM

Fox News!

#32 | Posted by nullifidian

Now you're just hallucinating.

Seek help.

Serious question - what happened in your life to turn you into this? I want to make sure I dont make the same mistakes.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-17 06:00 PM

Serious question - what happened in your life to turn you into this? I want to make sure I dont make the same mistakes.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-17 06:00 PM | REPLY

Me too. If I ever wound up like him I'd check myself into Bellvue.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-17 06:05 PM

#10 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

Like the Saudis, the Pakistanis fear the Iranian as they are the only country in the region that has shown they are capable of developing a functional economy and advanced technology. Iran - despite the sanctions and Islamic rule - still has nearly 4x the GDP per capita of Pakistan. Now, the Iranian form of cancerous Islam is harmful to their growth as a nation but is nowhere near as dangerous as the cancerous Sunni form. Every country with a Sunni majority is a backwards -------- country - there are no exceptions. The Shiites have at least shown an ability to create a country not 100% dependent on oil revenues and have raised a population where the males are capable of seeing female ankles without turning into rape gangs.

Yes - Pakistan would love to see Iran attacked. As it stands, Pakistan is already behind every country in the region outside of Afghanistan in terms of culture and development. With the Chinese going bust and the US no longer willing to dump money into the region, the economic prospects for Pakistan are bleak to say the least. In this way, they are no different from the other -------- Sunni controlled countries - future post-US fracking is looking pretty bad. The elites won't have money to dump into social spending and all that religious fervor they spent billions on will come back to haunt them.

Meanwhile - an energy independent US can just sit on the sidelines and laugh. Europe and China needs Middle East oil - not the US. Let them spend their money and defense budgets to keep the oil pumping. Not our problem. MAGA.

#36 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-17 10:55 PM

The Shiites have at least shown an ability to create a country not 100% dependent on oil revenues

Some 60% of the economy is centrally planned.It is dominated by oil and gas production. A unique feature of Iran's economy is the presence of large religious foundations called Bonyad, whose combined budgets represent more than 30 percent of central government spending. Price controls and subsidies, particularly on food and energy, burden the economy. Contraband, administrative controls, widespread corruption, and other restrictive factors undermine private sector-led growth.

Sure.

Whatever.

As it stands, Pakistan is already behind every country

Pakistan's undocumented economy is estimated to be 36% of its overall economy, which is not taken into consideration when calculating per capita income. Pakistan is a developing country and is one of the Next Eleven countries identified as having a high potential of becoming, along with the BRICS countries, among the world's largest economies in the 21st century. According to the World Bank, poverty in Pakistan fell from 64.3% in 2002 to 29.5% in 2014. (all without oil and gas, LOL)

Yeah sure.

Whatever.

Karachi:

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the Chinese going bust

Because of something DOTARD did??? LOL

Yeah sure.

Whatever.

Pakistan would love to see Iran attacked.

Not as much as a Jew would like to see Iran dead... "Ira". LOL

#37 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 12:38 AM

and advanced technology

Getting Russian radars, missiles and drones and giving them an Iranian paint-job is very very very very very hi-tech!

Yep.

FakeJew said it!

#38 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 12:40 AM

Now, the Iranian form of cancerous Islam .... is nowhere near as dangerous as the cancerous Sunni form.

However, nothing compares to the cancerous Zionism that leads America to wars, wars and more wars. LOL

Go right on ahead and attack Iran and die for Israel.

I am counting on it.

As for Shia vs Sunni... it isn't the Saudis who are sanctioned up to their eyeballs for terrorism. It's Iran who gets new sanctions thrown at it every other day! LOL

#39 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 01:20 AM

Every country with a Sunni majority is a backwards -------- country - there are no exceptions.

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Hahahahaha.... Sure.

Whatever.

#40 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 01:29 AM

As for Shia vs Sunni... it isn't the Saudis who are sanctioned up to their eyeballs for terrorism. It's Iran who gets new sanctions thrown at it every other day! LOL

Posted by J_Tremain

Therein lies the irony. We support an authoritarian regime that funds Wahhabism, which in turn fuels radicals like the 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers and continues to educate even more to hate America and the West.

Meanwhile, our 'ally' Israel imprisons Palestinians in what's left of their territory that Israel hasn't stolen from them since the U.N. created the boundaries, and Netanyahu wants to steal even more, fanning the flames of hatred against Israel and the U.S. for backing them.

#41 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-18 02:04 AM

Therein lies the irony. We support an authoritarian regime that funds Wahhabism

It's very simple to fix.

Stop buying their oil.

#42 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 02:34 AM

Meanwhile - an energy independent US can just sit on the sidelines and laugh. Europe and China needs Middle East oil - not the US. Let them spend their money and defense budgets to keep the oil pumping. Not our problem. MAGA.

Posted by iragoldberg

I filled up the cars yesterday @ $2.25 a gallon. $2.86 today at the same station.

Thank god we're self sufficient and not subject to world events that disrupt oil markets anymore, eh?

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-18 02:36 AM

"Pakistan's undocumented economy is estimated to be 36% of its overall economy, which is not taken into consideration when calculating per capita income. "

Yeah, actually it is - it factors into GDP PPP. However, even with this underground economy, Iran is 4x richer/person. That has got to sting.

"Pakistan is a developing country and is one of the Next Eleven countries identified as having a high potential of becoming, along with the BRICS countries, among the world's largest economies in the 21st century"

There is literally ZERO chance of this occurring. Funny that you are your sniffing the tails of BR(INDIA)Cs though - your low self-esteem of being bested by India yet again. Your country will not develop because 50%+ of your country is illiterate and 60% are marrying a 1st cousin. I wish I could say you were trapped in the 6th century, but your country was probably a better place to live in back then.

"the Chinese going bust
Because of something DOTARD did??? LOL"

Trump's trade war was the straw that broke the camel's back. If you still can't see that, the next few years are going to be a surprise for you.

"As for Shia vs Sunni... it isn't the Saudis who are sanctioned up to their eyeballs for terrorism. It's Iran who gets new sanctions thrown at it every other day! LOL
Posted by J_Tremain"

Why do you think the Saudis don't face sanctions? It is because no one fears the Sunnis. They are the gang that can't shoot straight - which is why ISIS was so easy to exterminate. Israel fears Iran because the Shiites pose an existential threat to them because they can modernize the Muslim world. Pakistan? Inbred, goat fornicators. No threat to anything on 2 legs...and with an average penis size ranked #72 in the world, not even too much of a threat to the goats.

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 02:39 AM

Right now, there is no real alternative to fossil fuels. Yes, we have solar and nuclear... but electric cars and trucks aren't quite there yet. The wheels of industry need fossil fuels for one thing or another.

In 5 to 25 years, however, all of that will change.

So in 5 to 35 years, WAHABISM will be under serious threat and will begin to decline.

WAHABISM's fate is very closely linked to petrochemicals. It will not survive another 50 years.

Even today.. feeling a threat... the Saudis have let women drive cars. That was something they swore they would never do.

Is Shia Iran's fate also tied to petrochemicals? To a large extent, YES. The only other industries making a profit for Iran these days are 1.Carpets and 2.Pistachios. LOL

However, Iran ... if left untouched... will last longer than the Saudis. They have a larger population.

#45 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 02:43 AM

Iran is 4x richer/person.

www.expatistan.com

The price of 12 eggs, large in Tehran is $2.45

The price of 12 eggs, large in Lahore is $0.88

LOL

#46 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 02:46 AM

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 02:39 AM | Reply | Flag: Frustrated Fake-Jew Babbling Nonsense I Did Not Bother Reading

Keep it up.

i.postimg.cc

#47 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 02:49 AM

"However, Iran ... if left untouched... will last longer than the Saudis. They have a larger population.
45 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN "

Iran has a literacy rate approaching 100% - which includes their females. That alone will guarantee their continued success. Iran has been hampered for decades by the brain drain to the West - again, Islam is a cancer but a less harmful cancer in the form of Shiites. However, Iran has a documented history of scientific discovery that no other Islamic country can come close too. That is just reality.

So, when the oil starts to become worthless - Iran will be fine. Meanwhile, all the Sunni nations reliant on oil or reliant on sucking the teats of the oil rich Sunni nations will remain in squalor.

Just look at education in Saudi vs Iran - like 80%+ of advanced degrees in Saudi are in religious studies. In Pakistan, the equivalent of a US GED places you among the educated elite. There is no comparing the Sunni --------- to Iran.

#48 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 02:54 AM

#48 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 02:54 AM | Reply | Flag: Frustrated Fake-Jew Babbling Nonsense I Did Not Bother Reading

Keep it up.

i.postimg.cc

#49 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 02:57 AM

"The price of 12 eggs, large in Tehran is $2.45
The price of 12 eggs, large in Lahore is $0.88
LOL
#46 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN "

That is because your country is a poor --------. The price of 12 1st cousin brides is also about $0.88. That is not a positive sign for your country...you are poor and backwards. Also the reason why toilet paper is considered a luxury and not used by most in Pakistan.

#50 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 02:57 AM

#50 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-18 02:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Nobody reads or agrees with the Fake-Jew! LOL

I am the only one he will try to talk to because nobody else will. LOL

This is what happens to Canadian sock-puppets.

TOR=SPORK=IRAGOLDSMITHBERG=BERSERKONE=some other guy I can't remember right now.

I do have to admit you have proven smarter than RCADE. There is that at least.

#51 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 03:01 AM

WAHABISM's fate is very closely linked to petrochemicals. It will not survive another 50 years.

J_TREMAIN

Because the Saudi royal family funds them from petrochemical earnings in order to keep their support and thus their grip on power, right?

#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-18 03:20 AM

Because the Saudi royal family funds them from petrochemical earnings in order to keep their support and thus their grip on power, right?

Right.

This policy started in the 60s and gained momentum in the early 70s.

"Go spread your wahabism wherever as long as you don't mess with the monarchy"

#53 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-09-18 03:42 AM

TDSers are so pathetic. Bitch if Trump doesn't go to war. Bitch if he wants to go to war.
Be honest and admit it, guys -- you are against whatever Trump does or says, regardless. Your party and the biased media have you at the end of their puppet strings and you mindlessly dance to their tune.

#7 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You have work pretty hard to miss the point of the article... All your hard work paid off!

How hard is it to understand the issue with Trump saying "we are locked and loaded" and then saying "Just kidding!"? Even Lindsay Graham called out the President!

Honestly, if you can't figure this out, I don't think I have enough crayons to explain it to you.

#54 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-18 06:47 PM

"Honestly, if you can't figure this out, I don't think I have enough crayons to explain it to you.

#54 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2019-09-18 06:47 PM |"

Do you have enough crayons to explain to me what election had to be "redone" as you did on another thread, but failed to explain? I honestly do not remember an election having to be "redone".

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-18 07:00 PM

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