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London (CNN)A far-right extremist has been locked up in a UK hospital indefinitely after setting fire to a synagogue in the city of Exeter, Press Association (PA) reports.

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This thing is perfect. Everything I ever wanted in a CNN story. Must read.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-06 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually, it's starting to sound more like it was the Jews. That was a crises actor, ask aborted_monson.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-06 01:24 PM | Reply

You wouldn't think God would react that quick. I'll have to be more careful.

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-06 01:37 PM | Reply

RCade, if this goes front page change the Title to "Please Give to the Ignited Nazi Fund".

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-06 01:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Soviet Union put dissidents in psychiatric hospitals, so this isn't new.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-06 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Reportedly when he set himself on fire the flame made a loud DOUUUUUCHE! sound.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2019-07-06 04:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"The Soviet Union put dissidents in psychiatric hospital"

^
Nullifidian compares anti-Semitic arson to anti-Soviet dissent.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-06 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#7 They aren't the same?

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-06 06:33 PM | Reply

After the Straitjacket is put on, it's all the same.

#9 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-07-06 06:55 PM | Reply

#7 yeah. That was a punch to the face, just like MADBOMBER saying there were good Nazis fighting against America in wwii

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-06 07:03 PM | Reply

The Soviet Union put dissidents in psychiatric hospitals, so this isn't new.

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

The Soviet Union was our allies in the worst war ever ...

Didja know?

#11 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-06 07:08 PM | Reply

--The Soviet Union was our allies in the worst war ever ...

No kidding, Columbo. That was, of course, after the Stalin-Hitler alliance fell apart.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-06 07:20 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

And after that we were ColdWar enemies ..

Thats when Bernie visited ....

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-06 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And after that we were ColdWar enemies ..

Thats when Bernie visited ....

#13 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Stupid post.

Reagan paid homage to dead SS soldiers when visiting a German cemetery ... the Nazis were enemies of America, remember?

#14 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-06 08:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- the Nazis were enemies of America, remember?

And the communists were enemies of America from the end of the war until their collapse. Fortunately we had some strong leaders to oppose them, like Reagan. And this guy:

JFK's finest moment.
www.youtube.com

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-06 08:59 PM | Reply

Strange that that video cut out the most famous part.

www.youtube.com

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-06 09:05 PM | Reply

The rise of Hitler was made possible by WWI reparation damages which far exceeded Germany's ability to pay.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-06 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the communists were enemies of America from the end of the war until their collapse. Fortunately we had some strong leaders to oppose them, like Reagan.

#15 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Right-wing conservative influence ensured that the Soviet Union became our Cold War enemy.

It started when they removed Henry Wallace from the Democratic presidential ticket as VP at the 1944 convention with their lackey, Harry Truman ... Wallace was appointed Secretary of Commerce by FDR but would later be fired by Truman for Wallace's conciliatory speech toward the USSR in September '46 ...

A Cold War didn't HAVE to happen to the degree or depth for which it did. By the time of JFK, the ship had long sailed.

But as WWII was steamrolling toward an inevitable Allied victory in 1944 and 45, it was right-wing conservatives (who were also pro Big Business) who ensured America would have an antagonistic and aggressively militant posture toward the Soviet Union.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-06 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And the communists were enemies of America from the end of the war until their collapse. Fortunately we had some strong leaders to oppose them, like Reagan.

#15 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Reagan sided with genocidal Nazi War Criminals, that's why he visited their SS cemetery during his visit to Germany ... LOL

Funny, but not really ~

Damn shame Henry Wallace didn't become president when FDR died. If that had happened, maybe ...

- no Cold War
- no Military Industrial Complex
- no Vietnam War
- no start to corporate outsourcing of labor in 70's/80's

America could've been just as powerful but without all the bad stuff.

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-06 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interesting historical hypothesis

#20 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-06 10:10 PM | Reply

"America could've been just as powerful but without all the bad stuff."

Yeah. And the Soviet Union would have stayed out of Korea, and Vietnam. And South America. and Africa. And Europe.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-07 04:07 AM | Reply

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf You might like to read a little history, the Soviet Union had thousands of spies in the US during the war and probity more afterwards. Their announced objective and goal was our utter destruction. They were true believers in the class struggle, Marxist economics, and international domination of their satellite states. It was a police state, where wrong think would end your life. About 20+ million times. The Communist killed more of their own people than Hitler.

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-07 05:23 AM | Reply

When Reagan called the Soviet Union "the Evil Empire", he was violating the rule of "don't say the obvious". Yes it was an empire, yes it was evil to the core. To give you a comparison between us and them, people died trying to get out of the USSR, people still die trying to get into this one.

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-07 09:25 AM | Reply

Yeah. And the Soviet Union would have stayed out of Korea, and Vietnam. And South America. and Africa. And Europe.

#21 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You never heard of Henry Wallace until I explained to you who he was ...

The list of places you've mention don't impress me because they didn't pose an existential threat to America.

The only exception was Europe, where the Soviets were our allies and sacrificed tens of millions of their citizens in defeating our common enemy in Nazi Germany.

So it is understandable that the Soviet Union would want influence in those countries on their borders. The problem was always those countries bordering the USSR, which of the competing political philosophies, communism or capitalism, they would have? -- in other words, this was always about money.

All the money America spent on ...

- Hyping the Cold War
- Creating the Military Industrial Complex
- Medding in other country's internal affairs like Iran and Vietnam
- By-product of all this was corporate outsourcing of American labor

What did YOU get in return for 70 years worth of your tax money being spent on these things?

Your children having crappy retail-service jobs with no healthcare benefits or pension?

Your grandchildren having no real longterm family sustaining employment prospects?

But you're free!

Free to die a painful and penniless death because everything is set-up to SUCK EVERTHING from you all the way until your very last dying breath.

Of course, it never had to be this way.

And it all started when the United States mishandled our relationship with Stalin and Russia when they were our allies during WWII.

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 09:31 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf So, we should have played nice with one of the greatest mass murderers in history? An individual who invaded Poland with Hitler? I think we are defined by those who declare themselves as our enemies. Have no doubt, the Soviet Union wanted that role from their inception in 1917.

#25 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-07 09:50 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf So, we should have played nice with one of the greatest mass murderers in history?

#25 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

No, Doofus.

We should have listened to people like Henry Wallace.

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 10:04 AM | Reply

--Henry Wallace.

Appeaser and communist sympathizer, the kind of fool Lenin described as "useful idiots."

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Henry Wallace.

Appeaser and communist sympathizer, the kind of fool Lenin described as "useful idiots."

#27 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

What did you get in return for 70 years worth of your tax money being spent on ...

- Hyping the Cold War
- Creating the Military Industrial Complex
- Medding in other country's internal affairs like Iran and Vietnam
- By-product of all this was corporate outsourcing of American labor

Answer that question.

People like Henry Wallace were against the things spelled out above.

In fact, Henry Wallace endorsed Eisenhower in 1956.

Remember a guy named Dwight D. Eisenhower?

Eisenhower was against the Military Industrial Complex because is took away taxpayer money from domestic needs. Ike balance the budget. And, Eisenhower was a WWII hero, remember?

But I get it, you're not very bright.

#28 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 10:32 AM | Reply

"People like Henry Wallace were against the things spelled out above."

Really?

How was he going to get the USSR to stop doing those things?

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-07 12:30 PM | Reply

Wallace was a good guy but not the brightest bulb how else do you explain his trying to appease Stalin?

#30 | Posted by Tor at 2019-07-07 01:38 PM | Reply

How was he going to get the USSR to stop doing those things?

#29 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Ask Eisenhower.

Ike was also against hyping the Cold War and was against the Military Industrial Complex.

Eisenhower wasn't perfect, see Iran and his policy in Vietnam.

But Ike strengthened New Deal Programs, balanced the budget, and warned America about the MIC.

Dwight D. Eisenhower, what an appeaser he was!

#31 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:00 PM | Reply

Wallace was a good guy but not the brightest bulb how else do you explain his trying to appease Stalin?

#30 | POSTED BY TOR

He wasn't an appeaser.

See above.

#32 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:01 PM | Reply

--Ask Eisenhower.

Eisenhower ended the communist occupation of Eastern Europe? Who knew?

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 02:04 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by nullifidian, What he did do is made the Soviets keep a 3:1 number of troops and equipment on their side. One to enforce their control on eastern Europe and to be a credible threat to NATO. It didn't work. It drained the resources of the USSR far more than our troops in Europe cost us. He kept enough troops to be a credible threat to an invasion and not enough to ever be a real threat to the east. Read a book called "The Liberator" which details what the Soviet and Warsaw Pact soldiers were taught for 50 years.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-07 02:15 PM | Reply

Eisenhower ended the communist occupation of Eastern Europe? Who knew?

#33 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Right-wing pants ------- chastised Eisenhower for not beating the Russians to Berlin in 1945 ... for also supposedly holding back George Patton from driving Patton's 3rd Army as far East as possible.

The John Birch Society (aka: Right-wing Know-Nothing's) would go on to call Eisenhower a Communist Sympathizer.

But because Henry Wallace is a liberal, that makes him an appeaser? Despite being FDR's VP during the worst years of WWII ... and as I already pointed out, Wallace would support Eisenhower in '56 ...

It does help if people know what they're talking about.

#35 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:24 PM | Reply

Henry Wallace was a communist-coddler.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 02:26 PM | Reply

Collusion with the USSR: Why did FDR's Vice President visit the GULAG and praise it?
www.rbth.com

Stalin's useful idiot.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 02:30 PM | Reply

Henry Wallace was a communist-coddler.

#36 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Just like Eisenhower ...

You're a right-wing hack.

#38 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:30 PM | Reply

Collusion with the USSR: Why did FDR's Vice President visit the GULAG and praise it?

Stalin's useful idiot.

#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Because he made a mistake and admitted it later on ...

Eisenhower wasn't perfect either, ask Mossadegh.

You're a right-wing hack.

#39 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:33 PM | Reply

#27 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

What did you get in return for 70 years worth of your tax money being spent on ...

- Hyping the Cold War
- Creating the Military Industrial Complex
- Medding in other country's internal affairs like Iran and Vietnam
- By-product of all this was corporate outsourcing of American labor

Answer that question.

You still haven't answered this question.

#40 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:36 PM | Reply

You're an ignorant fool. Read Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago before embarrassing yourself further.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 02:39 PM | Reply

You're an ignorant fool. Read Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago before embarrassing yourself further.

#41 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You're embarrassing yourself, doofus ...

Just the idea of a right-wing ------ like yourself saying out loud that an American VP fumbled the correct critique of the Soviet Gulag system (for which he later corrected) ...

when compared to today as America incarcerates the most people in the world ...

I get it, you're not very bright.

#42 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#38

Looks like someone spent a lot of time watching Oliver Stone's fantasy "Untold History" and believed every word of it.

Unfortunately, most historians, both conservative and liberal, disagree with you and Stone: Wallace was pretty much universally considered to be something of an oddball: insiders mocked his fascination with plant genetics and gossiped about his enthusiasm for Nicholas Roerich, a Russian communist painter with close ties to Stalin turned "Theosophical" guru for Wallace:

For conservative historians, however, and for quite a few moderate and liberals as well, a putative Wallace Presidency is an end-times scenario of appeasement and Communist infiltration. Thomas W. Devine's new book, "Henry Wallace's 1948 Presidential Campaign and the Future of Postwar Liberalism" (North Carolina), portrays him not as a crucified savior or a demon of subversion but as a tragically flawed figure in whom idealistic conviction went sour.

There was also unease about Wallace's friendliness toward the Soviets and his pointed disavowals of conventional patriotism. In 1942, Wallace gave a remarkable speech, titled "The Price of Free World Victory," in which he subverted a favorite slogan of the publisher Henry Luce:

"Some have spoken of the "American Century." I say that the century on which we are entering -- the century which will come out of this war -- can be and must be the century of the common man... . There must be neither military nor economic imperialism... . International cartels that serve American greed and the German will to power must go... . The people's revolution is on the march, and the devil and all his angels cannot prevail against it."

Wallace was hardly the only politician of the period to form an unduly rosy picture of Stalin's regime, but he went further than most. In May, 1944, he embarked on a good-will mission to Soviet Asia and China, and during a tour of Siberia he fell for an elaborate Potemkin-village presentation. In his 1946 travelogue, "Soviet Asia Mission," he wrote admiringly of Red Army choruses, needlepoint artwork, and enlightened farming methods. "The larch were just putting out their first leaves, and Nikishov gamboled about, enjoying the wonderful air immensely," Wallace wrote. He was referring to General Ivan Nikishov, the master of the Kolyma Gulag system.

Wallace's messianic belief in his ability to single-handedly reverse American foreign policy led him into treacherous waters. In late 1945, he met with the Soviet diplomat Anatoly Gorsky, who also ran the N.K.G.B.'s Washington station. According to decrypted Soviet-intelligence communications that were released in the nineteen-nineties, Wallace argued for the sharing of atomic technology and asked Gorsky for help in defeating the anti-Soviet faction in Truman's Administration. "Wallace did not elaborate," Gorsky reported to Moscow. "And it was not appropriate for me to insist." What kind of help did Wallace have in mind? The missive was marked urgent for Stalin's attention, but no action seems to have been taken. Stalin may have been as perplexed by Wallace as everyone else.

The Uncommon Man

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-07 02:48 PM | Reply

--when compared to today as America incarcerates the most people in the world ...

Spoken like a good little Stalinist--American Communist Party member--in the 30s and beyond.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 02:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#43 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You're a smart guy ... you know the great Adrian Zmed afterall ~

What did you get in return for 70 years worth of your tax money being spent on ...

- Hyping the Cold War
- Creating the Military Industrial Complex
- Medding in other country's internal affairs like Iran and Vietnam
- By-product of all this was corporate outsourcing of American labor

Answer that question.

Also, the main reason Stalin and the Russians distrusted America (and the British) was our foot-dragging toward opening up a second front against Hitler in 1942 and 43.

North Africa, Sicily, and Italy didn't impress the Russians when Nazi Armies were rampaging across the entire Russian landscape, slaughtering millions of Russians as they went.

Russia by their very nature are paranoid and distrustful. But this is the root cause of the future antagonism between the US and USSR.

#45 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 03:00 PM | Reply

Spoken like a good little Stalinist--American Communist Party member--in the 30s and beyond.

#44 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Ask Ronnie Reagan. He tried (and failed) to join the American Communist Party.

Bedtime for Bonzo was too radical for the commies, hilarious.

You're a right-wing hack.

#46 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 03:03 PM | Reply

What did you get in return for 70 years worth of your tax money being spent on ...

- Hyping the Cold War
- Creating the Military Industrial Complex
- Medding in other country's internal affairs like Iran and Vietnam
- By-product of all this was corporate outsourcing of American labor

Answer that question.

The Fall of the Soviet Union. See, Strategies of Containment for your answers there.

Or is Russia no longer our enemy now that the Collusion Narrative is no more?

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-07 03:05 PM | Reply

--What did you get in return

"we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

What do you think JFK was talking about, PinchACommie? He was talking about defeating communism, nitwit!

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 03:10 PM | Reply

The Fall of the Soviet Union. See, Strategies of Containment for your answers there.

Or is Russia no longer our enemy now that the Collusion Narrative is no more?

#47 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The USSR was a living corpse by the late 1970s ... yet our intel services continually and systematically inflated the Soviet threat all the way until 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down. Why?

Well, I'm just a guy.

But I'd guess it had to do with the whole MIC thing, and government contracts, and power and corruption, and greed -- everything that pinko commie sympathizer Eisenhower warned us about as he left office in 1961.

WWII hero Dwight D. Eisenhower warned America about this thing called the Military Industrial Complex ... because money needlessly spent on tanks and bullets took money away from money spent on domestic needs.

What an appeasing commie Ike was !!!

#49 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 03:18 PM | Reply

What do you think JFK was talking about, PinchACommie? He was talking about defeating communism, nitwit!

#48 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I enlisted in 1984.

What were you ding in 1984?

Prolly doing as described by Sam Kinison in 'Back to School' ... "smoking dope and listening to your --------- Beatles records".

I served, just as JFK called for.

#50 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 03:22 PM | Reply

"Read a book called "The Liberator" which details what the Soviet and Warsaw Pact soldiers were taught for 50 years."

I looked for the book on Amazon...I couldn't find it. Do you have a link?

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-07 03:24 PM | Reply

"What do you think JFK was talking about, PinchACommie? He was talking about defeating communism, nitwit!"

There was time when the most vocal anti-communist voices were members of the Democratic Party.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-07 03:26 PM | Reply

"Read a book called "The Liberator" which details what the Soviet and Warsaw Pact soldiers were taught for 50 years."

I looked for the book on Amazon...I couldn't find it. Do you have a link?

#51 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Don't read that.

Read Headrick Smith's book "The Russians".

It was published in 1976 and it still resonates today as to how America is perceived and it chronicles the Russian mindset.

Hint: even at tbe height of the Cold War, Russians and Warsaw Pact countries were not ideological birds of a feather.

#53 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 03:31 PM | Reply

"There was time when the most vocal anti-communist voices were members of the Democratic Party.
#52 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER"

Money talks.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-07 03:35 PM | Reply

#53 | Posted by PinchALoaf I actually read that book when it was new, forgive me but it has been 40+ years but what impressed me was the village mentality of the average Russians. Us against them. Their propaganda at that time centered around an external threat. The Soviets knew by 1946 that the western allies had no intention of an attack on the USSR. But the reality of the soviet union at that time was dire. Four years of the worst warfare seen on any land ever had leveled a lot of the country. The Russians lost around 18% of their population in that fight, and this followed the coordinated famines and purges Stalin did with the willing hands of the party add another 15% plus all the competent military officers. Service men who used to fly diplomats after the war said that they didn't see a building standing till they arrived at Moscow. The Communist needed a bad guy as a distraction from the crap the average Ivan was putting up with daily. Food shortages were the imperialist doing, as was the lack of housing, medical care, and heat. They were good at hype, they convinced the US they were much stronger than they were. Inflated clams were for internal consumption. But it had the consequence of helping along an arms race.

#55 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-07 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Their propaganda at that time centered around an external threat.

Sounds like the same thing today, just somewhere else.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-07 04:52 PM | Reply

#55 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

That's a damn good post ...

You should do that more often !

#57 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 04:53 PM | Reply

UK Far-Right Extremist gets Life in Mental Instituion

Antifa's Fault!(tm)

- Dullsheep McMattress

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2019-07-07 11:03 PM | Reply

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