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Sunday, July 07, 2019

Opinion: What did you think of the bunch of socialists you just saw debating on stage?

Wait, you may protest, you didn't see any socialists up there. And you'd be right. The Democratic Party has clearly moved left in recent years, but none of the presidential candidates are anything close to being actual socialists -- no, not even Bernie Sanders, whose embrace of the label is really more about branding ("I'm anti-establishment!") than substance.

Nobody in these debates wants government ownership of the means of production, which is what socialism used to mean....

Leading Republicans, however, routinely describe Democrats, even those on the right of their party, as socialists. ...

Which goes to show the extent to which Republican extremism has been accepted simply as a fact of life, barely worth mentioning.

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--Nobody in these debates wants government ownership of the means of production, which is what socialism used to mean....

That's not what it means on the retort, so by the retort definition and Sanders and AOC definitions, they are all socialists and will continue to be labeled as such.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 11:21 AM | Reply

Nobody in these debates wants government ownership of the means of production, which is what socialism used to mean....

Warrens "Accountable Capitalism Act" is socialism. Its the government asserting its control over the means of production.

Warren wants to eliminate the huge financial incentives that entice CEOs to flush cash out to shareholders rather than reinvest in businesses. She wants to curb corporations' political activities. And for the biggest corporations, she's proposing a dramatic step that would ensure workers and not just shareholders get a voice on big strategic decisions.

The conceit tying together Warren's ideas is that if corporations are going to have the legal rights of persons, they should be expected to act like decent citizens who uphold their fair share of the social contract and not act like sociopaths whose sole obligation is profitability -- as is currently conventional in American business thinking.

Warren wants to create an Office of United States Corporations inside the Department of Commerce and require any corporation with revenue over $1 billion -- only a few thousand companies, but a large share of overall employment and economic activity -- to obtain a federal charter of corporate citizenship.

More concretely, United States Corporations would be required to allow their workers to elect 40 percent of the membership of their board of directors.
www.vox.com

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 11:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2


@#2 ... More concretely, United States Corporations would be required to allow their workers to elect 40 percent of the membership of their board of directors. ...

Only 40%?

Why is this a bad thing? The workers have a lot invested in the company, why shouldn't they have a say in the company? This could get rid of the adversarial relationship that employees currently have via unions, and create more of a team that wants the company to move forward.

But to your point, all you describe in the rambling comment is not the government ownership of companies, which is what Socialism requires.

I gotta hand it to you, though, A Nice Try. You almost had me with the ole quantity instead of quality tactic.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

You almost had me with the ole quantity instead of quality tactic.

"Bludgeon them with sheer volume"

Is a tactic utilized by some posters on the DR with nothing to say.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 12:15 PM | Reply

"Bludgeon them with sheer volume"
Is a tactic utilized by some posters on the DR with nothing to say.

Yeah, DR leftists that post walls of text. I won't bother naming names. You know who they are.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 12:18 PM | Reply

Why is this a bad thing?

Not a bad thing, or good thing, if done, but the government forcing companies to do it is SOCIALISM. Which is the topic of conversation.

The workers have a lot invested in the company

They do? Like what? What did the invest? They got hired by a company they didn't build, to do a job, they can leave at any time.

why shouldn't they have a say in the company?

Again why? I mean if someone things its a good idea then go ahead, but the government shouldn't enforce it.

This could get rid of the adversarial relationship that employees currently have via unions,

The government intervention has removed the need for unions. Most of what unions fought for governments now enforce.

and create more of a team that wants the company to move forward.

They are paid to do that ...

"Socialism" is like OpenBorders, no one ever says they want Socialism, but all their policies point to it.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

But to your point, all you describe in the rambling comment is not the government ownership of companies, which is what Socialism requires.

NO, not the government, its that the workers own the means of production, THAT is SOCIALISM.

Its AuthoritarianSocialism when the government owns the companies.

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:40 PM | Reply

You almost had me with the ole quantity instead of quality tactic.
#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Its not a tactic, its that I don't have time to sit here and respond, I have to goto work. So I just put all my thoughts out there for the day.

I see nothing wrong with it, I read most everything people write as ideas, but not quotes from other sources. Its being curious its about the idea that you don't know everything, and someone can enlighten you.

I can see you can CrackShack are more into the hit and run ... I will keep that in mind.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:45 PM | Reply

--"Socialism" is like OpenBorders, no one ever says they want Socialism, but all their policies point to it.

It's the only way Democrats can win: keep their private positions, private.

Kinda hard to do, though, when you have 20 democrats pandering to the leftist base, as the debates proved.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kinda hard to do, though, when you have 20 democrats pandering to the leftist base, as the debates proved. ~ Nulli

What has happened IMO is the extreme left has the stage, and so much virtue signalling going on, you have to accept the crazy repeal Section1325 or else you are a racist,xenophobe et al...

They all jump off the cliff. It would be interesting to see if Castro makes it to the single debate format. If he does, watch everyone squirm.

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:52 PM | Reply

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#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 12:57 PM | Reply

"Most of what unions fought for governments now enforce."

Most?

What was lost?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-07 01:02 PM | Reply


@#8 ... I can see you can CrackShack are more into the hit and run ... I will keep that in mind. ...

Why do you say that?

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 01:40 PM | Reply

1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I'm supposedly an expert in political philosophy, so trust me while I just make Schitt up so I can make a stupid claim and act like it's true!
-nullischittidian

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-07 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#7 ... NO, not the government, its that the workers own the means of production, THAT is SOCIALISM. ...

OK, regardless, my point still holds.

Nothing in what you posted says that the corporations' ownership is being turned over to the workers.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 01:44 PM | Reply

its that I don't have time to sit here and respond,

You seem to manage it just fine. Posting paragraphs of nonsense.

I have to goto work.

So why spend so many hour on the DR everyday?

So I just put all my thoughts out there for the day.

Several times a day. All day, everyday.

I see nothing wrong with it,

Why would you? It's your tactic, misinformation and bullshht are your favorites. Which is why you have to post in volume. You need to disguise your garbage.

I can see you can CrackShack are more into the hit and run ... I will keep that in mind.
#8 | POSTED BY A MATTRESS

Awe, you got called out on your disingenuousness. You poor baby.

Also. Based on his posts, Lamp seems like one of the few posters who's actually here for a real discussion and doesn't really take a political side.

What's amusing is how quickly he's identified your bullshht and trolling.

What's hysterical is you pretending you're somehow going to amend your nonsense posts to simplify them.

Without your obfuscation and nonsense, you'd have nothing to contribute.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why do you say that?
#13 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

He's implying you're more concerned with how much he posts rather than how much nonsense he posts.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 01:59 PM | Reply

--I have to goto work.

"So why spend so many hour on the DR everyday?"

Why do you? Unemployed?

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 02:07 PM | Reply

Why do you? Unemployed?
#18 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You tagging in for your Mattress?

Adorable.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The S word: Socialist
The F word: Fascist
The R word: Racist
The N word: Nazi
The C word: Concentration-camps
The B word: Becky
The L word: Lesbians
The Q word: Quadrillion (coming soon to MSM vocabulary)

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-07 07:48 PM | Reply

If and when leftists keep escalating, their imaginary under-the-bed "nazis", or some equivalent, will become very real after people get sick of consistent propaganda which is in favor of open borders, the sexualization of children, anti-white everything, criminal-coddling, and the rest. This is Weimerica, and there may well be Weimerican solutions to these problems cropping up soon.

#21 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-07-08 02:41 AM | Reply

That's a dispassionate observation and a prediction based on what I see happening. Not an endorsement.

#22 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-07-08 02:46 AM | Reply

"The Democratic Party has clearly moved left in recent years"

It has?
Can I get some examples?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 11:55 AM | Reply

#23
www.allsides.com

#24 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-08 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree that people are more polarized, but I don't see new Democratic policies that are more leftist.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 12:24 PM | Reply

but I don't see new Democratic policies that are more leftist. ~ SNOOFY

Warrens AccountableCapitalism....

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-08 12:31 PM | Reply

You call it leftist, but in fact it's centrist:

"The United States is in a minority of countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development that gives no representation of the workforce in corporate governance." en.wikipedia.org

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 07:18 PM | Reply

You call it leftist, but in fact it's centrist:
"The United States is in a minority of countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development that gives no representation of the workforce in corporate governance." en.wikipedia.org
#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-08 07:18 PM

The MSM is losing it's grip on narrative because it's not the only "source" any more.

More people are exposed to truly progressive ideas and like them. Fewer people are social conservatives and that trend must continue.

#28 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-08 11:24 PM | Reply

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