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A man armed with a rifle died after being shot at by police officers at an ICE detention center in Washington state which he had attempted to set on fire, authorities said. An employee at the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Northwest Detention Center called Tacoma police around 4 a.m. Saturday, reporting a man outside with a rifle who was throwing incendiary devices.

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Leftists are getting more violent. I predict a new Weather Underground soon, especially if Trump is re-elected.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 09:48 AM | Reply

Leftist? Show me proof. Liars. More probably, right wing a******s who hate illegal immigrants. Like Andrea and Nulli. Y'all are sick.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-14 10:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 2

You're an idiot and a terrorist apologist. Of course it's going to be a Leftist attacking ICE.

Attacker on Tacoma ICE Detention Center identified as "anarchist and antifascist"
legalinsurrection.com

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

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RIP to anarchist fighter Willem Van Spronsen. The attack on the ICE facility in Tacoma is a proportionate action against enslavers and internment camp operators. He joins a long list of fallen anarchist martyrs who fought for a liberated world!

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 10:27 AM | Reply

Leftist? Show me proof. Liars.
#2 | POSTED BY DANNI

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#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 10:44 AM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY DANNI

This has to be a troll post.....

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 11:17 AM | Reply

==This has to be a troll post.....

The sad thing is, it's not. She's a nutter.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Another case of mental health issues not being taken seriously.

I would like to know the contents of his suicide note.

Today is a day to protest ICE en mass, but not violently like the pro-lifers or neo-nazi or antifa.

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-14 01:24 PM | Reply

The hypocrisy of the alt-right (R)tards in this thread is deep...
But predictable AF coming from those that support full blown fascism.

#9 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-14 02:25 PM | Reply

The cruelty is the point.

#10 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-07-14 03:11 PM | Reply

Odd, not sure if this is the "manifesto" ...
twitter.com

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 03:25 PM | Reply

The cruelty is the point.
#10 | POSTED BY FRESNO500

Which you ignored, when first implemented under Obama .... but here you are, but you don't really care ....

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 03:26 PM | Reply

"Which you ignored, when first implemented under Obama"

^
It's like these people think there's no such thing as the "Trump administration family separation policy"
en.wikipedia.org

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 03:27 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by snoofy, It is called the Zero tolerance policy, that means he is enforcing the law as written. Something the Damned Yankee is required to do. BTW, He is going to have to accelerate deportations if he is going to catch up to Obama's numbers of deportations.

#14 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-14 04:13 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's like you can just make up quotes without regards to facts.

Obama did the same thing to many families, which is why the photos exist.... And people like you get confused.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 04:19 PM | Reply

"It's like you can just make up quotes without regards to facts."

So that's what you call it when I post a link to a Wikipedia article called "Trump administration family separation policy."

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 05:27 PM | Reply

"It is called the Zero tolerance policy, that means he is enforcing the law as written."

No, that's not what it means.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 05:28 PM | Reply

"Obama did the same thing to many families"

I'll believe you when you, or anyone else, can provide a link to "Obama administration family separation policy."

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 05:29 PM | Reply

I'll believe you when you, or anyone else, can provide a link to "Obama administration family separation policy."
#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You've been googling the wrong term:

www.google.com(ATEP)&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

www.google.com

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 05:49 PM | Reply

PUBLISHED May 30, 2012
US Policies Separate Families, Kill the Sick and Create Havoc on the Mexican Border -
truthout.org

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 06:00 PM | Reply

From the link that worked:
"Long before that, however, the administration of Barack Obama ramped up a program with a sometimes similar effect."

The "sometimes similar effect" it goes on to describe something other than children being sent to camps.
For example, "Mothers and older female relatives were typically given the option of staying with their children."
Trump doesn't allow that.

The article concludes:
To be clear: the Obama administration's use of ATEP was not intended to break-up families–that was an occasionally expected side effect–while Trump's recently-confirmed policy is expressly directed toward that end in the name of "deterrence."

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 06:03 PM | Reply

Anyway, why aren't you opposed to what Trump is doing?

Is it because you supported the Obama policy, but Obama didn't go far enough?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 06:04 PM | Reply

Anyway, why aren't you opposed to what Trump is doing? - Snoofy

I am opposed to it, always have been.

Unlike you not liking it because Trump.

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 06:17 PM | Reply

I support a secure border, legal immigration, legitimate asylum, work visas, seasonal migrant workers, limits to permeant entry, deportation of violent felons, deportation of visa overstays and court no-shows. I will always support legal immigration and will always oppose unfettered illegal entry.

The rest is you playing games, like quoting an article that I posted from 2012 claiming it compares Obama to Trump's policies. The other 2 links I left were google searches for ATEP, which is in essence, Obama's Family Separation Policy. He just didn't call it that in his "aww shucks folks" way he does.

"wasn't intended" - LOL. sure it wasn't.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 06:18 PM | Reply

- I am opposed to it, always have been.

I agree. Family separation is poor treatment and shifts the focus from the actual problem.

It solves nothing but to shed a bad light on securing the border.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 06:21 PM | Reply

Here's the inspiration for swallowstrumpsjism's tramp stamp.

www.latimes.com

#26 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-07-14 06:27 PM | Reply

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He should have stormed Area 51, at least he would have been internet famous.

#27 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-14 06:52 PM | Reply

"I am opposed to it, always have been."

You don't support Trump's deterrence policies on illegal immigration, by which I mean a 100% policy of family separation and detention?

That seems difficult to believe, based on other things you've said.

Pretty sure I've heard you say children should be separated from their parents because the parents are criminals, for crossing the border. And some are sex traffickers who aren't really their parents.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 06:56 PM | Reply

#28 Should unaccompanied minors be separated from adults?

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 07:07 PM | Reply

When a plane crashes on the US/Canada border, which country do they bury the survivors in?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:42 PM | Reply

"I support a secure border, legal immigration, legitimate asylum, work visas, seasonal migrant workers, limits to permeant entry, deportation of violent felons, deportation of visa overstays and court no-shows. I will always support legal immigration and will always oppose unfettered illegal entry."

What about Trump's family separation policy?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:46 PM | Reply

#28 Should unaccompanied minors be separated from adults?

#29 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 07:48 PM | Reply

What's your favorite number, red or blue?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 08:17 PM | Reply

Perhaps it's worth stating the obvious: That unaccompanied minors are by definition separated from adults. That's what makes them unaccompanied. The absence of adult companions.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 08:18 PM | Reply

What about Trump's family separation policy? - snoofy

What policy?

You don't read...

Obama practiced selective enforcement, sometimes families were separated sometimes not.

This is known as tryanny.

Obama went out of his way to say DON'T COME.

You said nothing.

You only complain because it's Trump.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 08:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What about Trump's family separation policy? - snoofy
What policy?"

The one I've linked to several times, it has a Wikipedia page right here, en.wikipedia.org

Or you could just google it and find links like this:
www.vox.com

"You only complain because it's Trump"

Well at least I'm complaining.
Why aren't you complaining about the policy?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 08:26 PM | Reply

Perhaps it's worth stating the obvious: That unaccompanied minors are by definition separated from adults. That's what makes them unaccompanied. The absence of adult companions.

#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're stating the obvious but intentionally sidestepping the question.

So you would agree that these children should be kept separated from adults while detained?

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 09:24 PM | Reply

"So you would agree that these children should be kept separated from adults while detained?"

Children who come here as unaccompanied minors should not be kept with unrelated adults.

Children who come here accompanied by their parents should not be separated from their parents, but they are, thanks to the Trump administration family separation policy. en.wikipedia.org

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 09:30 PM | Reply

- Children who come here accompanied by their parents should not be separated from their parents

How is paternity being determined? And what of the some 35% where paternity is claimed and subsequently there is found no paternal link? WOuldn't you think the liability then falls on the US to ensure the safety of the child possibly being trafficked?

Or is it going to take muni-billion dollar class action suit "I was being trafficked and the US didn't separate me from my captors"?

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 09:41 PM | Reply

"How is paternity being determined?"

Not the issue.

Children who come here accompanied by their parents should not be separated from their parents, but they are, thanks to the Trump administration family separation policy.

Do you support that policy? Yes or no.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 09:43 PM | Reply

- Not the issue.

It most certainly is. Do you have children? Ever travelled with children out of the country?

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 09:43 PM | Reply

Do you just take children into a foreign country and say, "They're mine" while smiling?

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 09:44 PM | Reply

- Do you support that policy? Yes or no.

I support children staying with their parent when at all possible.
The onus is on the one claiming to be the parent to prove paternity.
In the absence of legally recognized proof, then it must be determined by other means.

That may take awhile in a crisis where the border is being overrun.

Above all, I support the safety of the child.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 09:48 PM | Reply

The onus is on the one claiming to be the parent to prove paternity.

1/3 of the children aren't related in any way to the people that brought them across the border.

Does Snoofy support child trafficking to get across the border? Its not an insignificant number.

How would you know?

What would you do while waiting for the results to return? Keep the rapist with the child?

Above all, I support the safety of the child.
#43 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Anyone how pointed this out under Obama and is disappointed today that this is still going on supports safety of children.

These new comers like Snoofy are just after political points, they don't care.

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 10:07 PM | Reply

I recall Snoofy claiming I was a concern troll, mentioning the rapes, the child trafficking, children in cages under Obama.

Now look at him .... playing the "gotcha" game.

What a disgusting individual.

#45 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 10:12 PM | Reply

"I support children staying with their parent when at all possible."

Trump's policy does not permit that.
Do you support Trump's policy? Yes or no.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:27 PM | Reply

"What would you do while waiting for the results to return? Keep the rapist with the child?"

That's not the issue.
The issue is that all children are being separated from their parents, even after identities have been verified.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:28 PM | Reply

"I support children staying with their parent when at all possible."

- Trump's policy does not permit that.

Yes it does. Pence visited a family detention site and the press won't show it.

#48 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:30 PM | Reply

- That's not the issue.

Yes it is

- The issue is that all children are being separated from their parents

All children? No they're not. There are in fact family detention centers.

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:32 PM | Reply

5 Charged In Human Trafficking Case After 18 Immigrants Rescued In Houston. - dfw.cbslocal.com

"The victims -- two women and 16 men -- came from various Latin American countries, Acevedo said. Three of the suspects were also charged with sexual assault. Additional federal charges are possible."

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:33 PM | Reply

85% of human trafficking victims in Mexico women, girls - www.apnews.com

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:37 PM | Reply

www.usatoday.com

"We can't allow human trafficking," Ebrard said, contending that for many years it was tolerated by Mexican officials. "We might be experiencing one of the greatest human trafficking (situations) in the world."

Ebrard said Saturday's human smuggling incident in Veracruz was a rescue because the migrants could have suffocated inside the trailers.

He said each of the migrants was paying $3,500 to be smuggled to the United States and some paid $5,000 to be entitled to a second attempt if caught, Ebrard said.

He estimated the entire value of the truck caravan's human cargo at more than $3.5 million (69 million pesos) and said the smugglers were going to pay roughly $500,000 to $800,000 in "commissions" to ensure the migrants' free passage.

#52 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:41 PM | Reply

11 arrested on suspicion of supplying drug smugglers on O'odham land - tucson.com

"Scouts use binoculars and encrypted radios to guide drug and human smugglers past law enforcement officers, particularly in the corridor that runs from the international border through the Tohono O'odham Reservation and on to Phoenix."

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:43 PM | Reply

Pence visits Family Detention Center - twitter.com

#54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:47 PM | Reply

Family Detention - cdn.cnn.com

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:49 PM | Reply

You can call it a "family detention center" and still detain the children and the parents separate from one another.

Those pictures twitter.com don't show any children and parents together.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:52 PM | Reply

I agree with this comment:

"That is a pic of a tent. The air conditioning duct work is vinyl. They sleep on the floor and we can see those tinfoil blankets in the background. And that's the best photo op you can show us."

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:54 PM | Reply

Homeland Security Investigations Uncover Hundreds of ‘Fraudulent Families' at the Southern Border - www.dailysignal.com

"During this operation, a total of 84 family units were DNA tested after providing consent. Sixteen family units were found to be fraudulent during the testing. About half of the confirmed fraudulent family units were identified prior to DNA testing when the adult alien recanted their claim of a familial relationship when asked to consent to the test," Nevano said to lawmakers on Wednesday.

The surge of fake families appearing before Border Patrol is fueled by human smugglers who are profiting off illegal aliens hoping to reach the U.S. interior.

A 51-year-old Honduran national, for example, admitted he actually was not the father of a child that had accompanied him, and had actually paid $84 to bring the child along with him to the border.

$84 buck for a child. Snoofy wants to keep them together.

"Determining paternity isn't the issue" - Snoofy

#58 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:54 PM | Reply

"Determining paternity isn't the issue" - Snoofy

What happens after determining paternity is the issue.
Here's what happens: The children remain separated from their true parents.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:55 PM | Reply

June 20, 2018
Trump signs order stopping his policy of separating families at border -
www.nbcnews.com

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:57 PM | Reply

"Trump signs order stopping his policy of separating families at border"

So there was a policy of separating families at the border?
And it was Trump's policy?

I eagerly await your answers!

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:58 PM | Reply

The policy that ended a year ago?

#62 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 11:59 PM | Reply

I still eagerly await your answers!

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:59 PM | Reply

The link doesn't answer you question about a former policy that is no longer in effect?

"I can't find any answers! How can I even define terms or understand words?" - Snooferdooper

#64 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:01 AM | Reply

"The link doesn't answer you question about a former policy that is no longer in effect?"

The policy that ended a year ago?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:03 AM | Reply

Or the policy that didn't really end a year ago?

"The official government count is at 389 separated families since last summer's injunction, according to data received by the American Civil Liberties Union in court filings. One-fifth of the newly separated children are younger than 5 years old, according to the figures." www.usatoday.com

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:05 AM | Reply

- 389 separated families

Not bad considering the tens of thousands that need to be sorted through.

I support above all else the safety of the children and the certainty they are in fact with parents.

I also support that all verified children-parent families be reunited as soon as possible.

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:09 AM | Reply

Your link is from May 2, 2019

Could be half that by now. maybe less.

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:10 AM | Reply

Could be double that by now, maybe more.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:15 AM | Reply

Could be zero.

#70 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:30 AM | Reply

Lindsey Graham: "I Don't Care" if Migrants "Stay in These Facilities for 400 Days" slate.com

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:50 AM | Reply

So?

"The senator also pushed back against those who have called the detention centers concentration camps. "This is not a concentration camp that I saw," he said. "It is a facility overwhelmed. I'm willing to buy beds for these people so they will have a better place to get a night sleep, but I'm not going to let them go.""

Fill out the paperwork for a work visa. I welcome legal immigrants.

I assume Lindsey Graham does as well.

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 01:00 AM | Reply

Is anybody surprised that the racist orange turd is still separating children from their parents?

www.texastribune.org

#73 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-07-15 01:16 AM | Reply

Stochiastic terrorism being perpetrated against ICE pays off.

#74 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-15 09:24 AM | Reply

He was just executing his 2nd amendment rights.

#75 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-07-15 03:38 PM | Reply

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