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Sunday, July 14, 2019

Today (sunday) Trump used 3 tweets to tell Congresswomen to go back where they came from. It is telling that he mentioned congresswomen(Plural), all but one of who were actually born in the USA but did not mention the white republican congressmen born in France and Scotland.

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Trump has been full racist all of his life. He tweets things like this to find favor among other racists.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-14 10:39 AM | Reply

I'm sure the fact that goading other people into calling him the R word helps him politically had absolutely nothing to with this. He figured out before the last election that voters have become desensitized to the racism accusation due to its overuse. His opponents haven't.

Useful idiots.

#2 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 11:40 AM | Reply

His racist followers love him for it. Just read Boazo's, FishyP's,Docnjo, FatAndyMattress, FakeLawyer's,Jeffry/Sheeple/Nobias/lieburg/JordyStPete's ect ect ect posts. They love themselves some Orange Adolf!

#3 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-14 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Aaaaaaand Sentinel is here once again to steadfastly declare "Down is up!"

#4 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-14 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

I'm sure the fact that goading other people into calling him the R word helps him politically had absolutely nothing to with this. He figured out before the last election that voters have become desensitized to the racism accusation due to its overuse. His opponents haven't.

Useful idiots.

#2 | POSTED BY comrade SENTINEL
Speaking of useful idiots, you're projecting there snowflake.

He's not smart. You are giving your hero way too much credit.
You also seem to have no problems with his racism, but then again most racists don't, so that's hardly a surprise to anyone that is aware of your posting history here..

#5 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-14 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


The self-proclaimed Great Uniter seems to be doing all he can to split the Country apart.

I think I would be a great 'uniter'
- Candidate Trump, July 23, 2015

Trump's closing Iowa message: ‘I get along with people' (January 2016)
www.washingtonpost.com

...This theme of unity has been in Trump's rally speeches for months but is often overshadowed by his headline-grabbing attacks, insults and controversial proposals....

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-14 04:06 PM | Reply

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

"Go back to where you came from."

Let's see...Friedrich Trump (Trump's grandpa):

*was a German draft dodger
*a barber
*didn't speak English
*was an unaccompanied minor
*later tried to go back to Germany
*wasn't allowed to remain bc he had broken law and was deported to U.S.

Two generations later, his grandson is POTUS.

It's truly sad that rather than use his family story to celebrate the immigrant experience and celebrate others whose families have followed a similar path here, he obscures his own humble beginnings and attacks others'.

Important to note that Trump's grandpa's wave of immigration wasn't looked on too kindly, either. Interesting tidbit about laws that might have made it harder for the families of some of the folks clamoring about immigration now to get here

The story of Donald Trump's grandfather, who came to the U.S. as an unaccompanied minor

www.washingtonpost.com

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-14 04:25 PM | Reply

BTW, once again Trump is controlling the political debate in this country. We are talking about what he wants us to talk.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-14 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Are we sure Trump is racist? He may well have meant these Congresswomen should go back to New York, Ohio and Michigan.

-AvigJeffSchism

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I'm sure the fact that goading other people into calling him the R word helps him politically had absolutely nothing to with this. He figured out before the last election that voters have become desensitized to the racism accusation due to its overuse. His opponents haven't.
Useful idiots."

It's partly that and partly that he knows Democrats and the media will get so worked up by his comments that they won't talk about anything else: Mueller, Epstein, Obamacare being in jeopardy, the deficit, Iran, the conditions at the border, etc. For Trump making such a comment is really a two-fer.

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-14 04:53 PM | Reply

From a poster on Reddit's subgroup "AskTrumpSupporters":

This is not random. It's very smart strategy based on polling and was likely planned in advance and to be tweeted right before the Sunday political shows. It forces an issue favorable to Trump and changes the subject away from the resignation of Secretary Acosta and criticism of the border detentions.

Trump's tweets immediately forced all the Dems to have to defend AOC, Omar and the others.

Among swing voters--the ones Dems must have to keep the House and win the White House--AOC has a 22% favorable rating. Omar has a 9% favorable rating. Most of these voters likely agree with the general thrust of Trump's tweets this morning. Voters Dems must have to win.

Simply having the topic debated helps the Republicans and hurts the Democrats:

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-14 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Trump's tweets immediately forced all the Dems to have to defend AOC, Omar and the others.
Among swing voters--the ones Dems must have to keep the House and win the White House--AOC has a 22% favorable rating. Omar has a 9% favorable rating. Most of these voters likely agree with the general thrust of Trump's tweets this morning. Voters Dems must have to win."

Yes, and that too. I don't know if Trump is a racist, but I do know he sure knows how to use racism to further his own cause. He didn't keep that book of ------- speeches by his bedside for nothing.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-14 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The only thing democrats are leading is in their reactions to Trump.

Carry on.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-14 05:03 PM | Reply

#13

And that's significant how?

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-14 05:12 PM | Reply

When is the bloated------------ going to ship Melanoma back to Skankvenia?

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-07-14 05:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 7

Omar recently said that she's more patriotic than natural born people. That was a dumb thing to say.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 05:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lindsay Grahamn said border patrol agents are some of the most patriotic people in America. That was an offensive thing to say.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

aaaaand what have our DR righties written in reaction to the indefensible so far?
One non sequitur and two bad deflections.

#18 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-14 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Are you a Trump supporter, E1G1?

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 05:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm assuming that Omar's comments were made before Trump's tweet, and may have been in part what he was responding to. It's like they're literally loading the ammo into the gun for him.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 06:08 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Trump made the tweets 20 minutes after Fox and Friends did a segment on the Squad.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-14 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure the fact that goading other people into calling him the R word helps him politically had absolutely nothing to with this. He figured out before the last election that voters have become desensitized to the racism accusation due to its overuse. His opponents haven't.

Useful idiots.

#2 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2019-07-14 11:40 AM | REPLY | FLAG

If that's the best you can do, you're a racist ------- too.

#22 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Trump made the tweets 20 minutes after Fox and Friends did a segment on the Squad."

Did the segment mention the Omar comment I mentioned above? If so then it's definitely relevant to this thread.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 07:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If that's the best you can do, you're a racist ------- too."

Are you a Trump supporter, C-Bob?

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 07:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Headline fail only one of the four wasn't born in America the rest are more American than Trump.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2019-07-14 07:21 PM | Reply

Yeah, that's what I am, Sentinel. Trump supporter.

You're the one turning this back on the Dems. You and Nullbrain.

#26 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 07:23 PM | Reply

"Headline fail"

Yeah, it went from one headline fail to another. Interesting how much of the media backed off on initially labeling his tweet as racist, when there was no mention of race made whatsoever.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 07:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Yeah, that's what I am, Sentinel. Trump supporter."

Thank you for your honesty.

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 07:26 PM | Reply

I've been told many times on this site that I should move to Somalia.
And I'm white.

#29 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-14 07:29 PM | Reply

Thank you for your honesty.

#28 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2019-07-14 07:26 PM | FLAG:

Kill yourself.

#30 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Trump has said some racist things. I read these three tweets three times and am not seeing anything racist.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 07:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

So if it references Omar, would that make it racist?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:40 PM | Reply

"Interesting how much of the media backed off on initially labeling his tweet as racist, when there was no mention of race made whatsoever."

Race need not be mentioned for a statement to be racist.

And considering none of the women he attacked are white he clearly was attacking their not being white.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2019-07-14 07:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There is nothing racist about criticizing a black politician.

You people are ridiculous.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 07:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you look at what the Census options are under the "Race" field, then telling someone to go back to where they came from is racist.
Question 9:
www2.census.gov

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:50 PM | Reply

Although just this week we learned that Nancy Pelosi is a racist.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 07:51 PM | Reply

Anybody pretending this isn't racism doesn't want to see it.

#37 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 10

So if he's referencing Omar, and Somalia as a place to go back to, and Somali is what someone from Somalia would put as "Race" on the Census form, then racism seems line an inescapable conclusion.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:53 PM | Reply

"Although just this week we learned that Nancy Pelosi is a racist."

^
Is this the JeffJoking or the real JeffJ?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 07:54 PM | Reply

When is the bloated------------ going to ship Melanoma back to Skankvenia?

#15 | POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT | Funny

-----------

Thank you for your honesty.

#28 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Kill yourself.

#30 | POSTED BY CBOB | Funny

These two posts are funny ...

Funny as in, I support them ... they are Carlin-esque.

Good stuff ~

#40 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-14 07:55 PM | Reply

#39

JeffJoking

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 07:56 PM | Reply

Trump tweeted that the US government is " a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world".

Why does Trump hate America?

#42 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-14 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

CBob,

You've always struck me as a reasonable person.

Please explain how these tweets are racist.

I'll give careful consideration to your explanation.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 07:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#40

I gave you a NW, Loaf.

Yes, both posts were funny and for the very reason you cited.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 07:59 PM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

What's funny about that, moron?

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 08:01 PM | Reply

#43

They were made by a racist?

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-14 08:02 PM | Reply

Nulli,

You have to consider the source.

Sentinel selectively quoted cbob as supporting Trump.

It was funny IMO and the response was also funny because that isn't the type of response cbob would come up with when being serious.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 08:14 PM | Reply

#46 Zed

From that POV, yeah, OK. I don't read the words themselves to be racist but racial animus might have been at play.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 08:16 PM | Reply

"I don't read the words themselves to be racist but racial animus might have been at play."

Imagine a black person finds a noose on their desk at work, and takes it to HR to complain, and the HR lady says:
I don't see a noose by itself as racist but racial animus might have been at play.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's funny about that, moron?

#45 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You'd have to have a sense of humor to understand, Snowflake.

#50 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-14 08:22 PM | Reply

From that POV, yeah, OK. I don't read the words themselves to be racist but racial animus might have been at play.

#48 | POSTED BY JEFFRy

You're twisting yourself in knots defending your Orange Fuhrer's racism, not surprising.

#51 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-14 08:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I like how he let us know he didn't read the words themselves as racist.

It's like saying there is nothing inherently racist about the letters e, i, g, g, n, and r.

Astute observation, JeffJ.
You're a credit to your race!

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 08:32 PM | Reply

CBob,

You've always struck me as a reasonable person.

Please explain how these tweets are racist.

I'll give careful consideration to your explanation.

#43 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-14 07:58 PM | FLAG:

Get outside your well-heeled white male Christian mindset and ask someone from the black or Latino community, or some other minority group in your town, what they think of Trump's comments. Telling members of Congress to go back where they came from and that they have no business telling America what to do? Shew.

#53 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Get outside your well-heeled white male Christian mindset and ask someone from the black or Latino community, or some other minority group in your town, what they think of Trump's comments. Telling members of Congress to go back where they came from and that they have no business telling America what to do? Shew.

#53 | POSTED BY CBOB

I don't have a well-heeled white male Christian mindset, first off.

And I sure as heck don't live in a bubble.

I can easily see how these tweets are offensive.

I don't see how they are racist but I'm open to the possibility that they are and welcome a well-thought explanation in lieu of condescension.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 08:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I don't read the words themselves to be racist but racial animus might have been at play."
----
Imagine a black person finds a noose on their desk at work, and takes it to HR to complain, and the HR lady says:
I don't see a noose by itself as racist but racial animus might have been at play.

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't think I know anybody who does equivalencies worse than you.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 08:57 PM | Reply

I am sick to death of milquetoast responses to Trump's obvious nativist fascism. Anyone making a defense of Trump right now is suspect, as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who's not ANGRY about what Trump is doing to America is living in a bubble.

#56 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

...who were actually born in the USA...

Actually, they were not. donald has sent a team of investigators and they cannot believe what they are finding.

#57 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-14 09:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

To tie this into a previous thread, a perfect example of how Republicans enable Trump is their absolute silence on these clearly racist and offensive tweets. I totally get that there's a tendency no to hit against your team in Washington, but at a certain point there should be behavior that's recognized as beyond the pale. Should be. That type of behavior has come and gone do many times for Trump that it would be impossible now for them to suddenly wake up.

I'm reminded of a quote from Macbeth:
"... I am in blood
Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o'er:"

Reminder that Macbeth was not a good guy in that play.

#58 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-07-14 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It sure would seem a lot less racist if it weren't a bunch of non-whites Trump is telling to go back to where they came from. He's not telling Joe Biden to go back to where he came from.

#59 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-14 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#56

Then articulate it, Cbob.

I'll listen.

Specifically, articulate it as it pertains to these three tweets.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 09:24 PM | Reply

"I don't think I know anybody who does equivalencies worse than you."

My equivalency is spot-on.
Statements can be racist without referencing a race.
You chose to parse the statement in a vacuum, devoid of context, for no other reason than to find a way it might not be racist.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh for chrissake.

#62 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

See #59

#63 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 09:29 PM | Reply

Jeff- do you REALLY think Trump means their home districts when he tells women of color to go back from where they came from?

#64 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-07-14 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I read these three tweets three times and am not seeing anything racist.

If you tell a colored person born in Ohio to go back to the country they came from (thereby incorrectly assuming they are an immigrant), that isn't racist?

Here's a hint Jeff: Somethinf can be racist without it being the type of joke you and your buddies tell around the campfire. Think a little harder about this one.

#65 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 09:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's Jeff. He's lost his way long ago.

#66 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-14 09:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Question: "Who is the president talking about in this tweet when he said that these individuals... need to go back & help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came. Do you have any idea who he's talking about here?"

Ken Cuccinelli: "I don't. I don't." twitter.com

^
JeffJ, do you know who Trump is talking about?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 09:42 PM | Reply

Yeah, the Congress people Trump calls out all just happen to be women "of color," right, Jeff? And gosh, we live in a "colorblind" society, right? As Mitch McConnell himself said, "we" elected an African-American president. Of course, Mitch's sole focus was to un-elect Obama, but that's just another weird coincidence, right?

Just like the voter ID, gerrymandering, wall and other schemes, these tweets are not accidental.

#68 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JeffJ, please have the dignity to acknowledge that, now that you think about it and have considered other views, of course Trump's statement was highly racist. Don't make me start lumping you in with people such as Boaz or Wisgod.

#69 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-14 09:50 PM | Reply

#69 People who defend, deflect, and ask obtuse questions on behalf of the rapist game show host cartoon character that is Donald Trump lost every shred of dignity in their body long ago.

#70 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#70 Yep. I'm done trying to explain.

#71 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe, I find that many Republicans who are not dyed in the wool Trump supporters are generally reluctant to be critical of him unless what is obvious to the rest of us is made super extra obvious for their benefit.

#72 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-14 09:57 PM | Reply

I don't see how they are racist but I'm open to the possibility that they are and welcome a well-thought explanation in lieu of condescension.

#54 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-14 08:56 PM | REPLY |

They are racist because he specifically targeted non-white congresswomen 3 of whom were born in the USA while ignoring the white congressmen from foreign countries which makes it clear that where they cam from is not the problem but the color of their skin

#73 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-14 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Kill yourself."
#30 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2019-07-14 07:33 PM |

How lovely. I'd rather kill your mom, actually, a year before you were born. But that would create a temporal paradox. It might be worth it, though.

#74 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"They are racist because he specifically targeted non-white congresswomen 3 of whom were born in the USA while ignoring the white congressmen from foreign countries which makes it clear that where they came from is not the problem but the color of their skin"

Were the white congressmen you're referring to politically aligned with these so-called Justice Democrat women, or were they also attacking American culture and portraying themselves as superior to native born citizens? If so, then you might have a point. Please link to evidence to that. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a political statement directed at a group of individuals who were already in the news for their own racially charged statements.

#75 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:06 PM | Reply

This is just basic Expat 101. If you're going to criticize aspects of you're adopted culture, you need to be very mindful of not doing it in a way which comes across as an attack on native citizens of the country. This is true whether you're an American who emigrated abroad or someone who immigrated to the U.S.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How lovely. I'd rather kill your mom, actually, a year before you were born. But that would create a temporal paradox. It might be worth it, though.

#74 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2019-07-14 10:01 PM | FLAG:

Oh yeah? Well, your mama wears combat boots in the shower!

#77 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 10:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well, I got a lot of responses and I do appreciate that.

Weeding through the responses, this is what I gathered:

Snoofy - it's racist because Trump.

CBob - Calling out people of color is racist. This has to be the most disappointing answers from a person I was expecting the most from with my question.

Mod8 - Kind of on the fence. Didn't provide an answer but didn't knee-jerk a response either. Fair enough.

Joe - Defines asking for clarification of something as defense. Then goes a step further and falsely assigns a position.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:17 PM | Reply

"Trump tweeted that the US government is " a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world".
Why does Trump hate America?"

This was actually the first thing that came to my mind when reading his tweet. And of course, if anyone calls him out on that, he would say it's because of the Democrats in Congress and the 'deep state'.

#79 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:17 PM | Reply

"Oh yeah? Well, your mama wears combat boots in the shower!"

TMI, dude. TMI. As long you both are happy, I don't need to know the details.

#80 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Oh yeah? Well, your mama wears combat boots in the shower!"

TMI, dude. TMI. As long you both are happy, I don't need to know the details.

#81 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:19 PM | Reply

This was the most interesting so I decided to address it separately"

They are racist because he specifically targeted non-white congresswomen 3 of whom were born in the USA while ignoring the white congressmen from foreign countries which makes it clear that where they cam from is not the problem but the color of their skin

#73 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Does that logic apply to the racial epithets levied at the likes of: Clarance Thomas. Condi Rice, Colin Powell Mia Love. Senator Tim Scott, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, etc, etc?

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Crap.

Italics off.

Sorry about that.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:22 PM | Reply

Funny how no one's blasting #11 and #12 for 'defending Trump', when they're basically echoing the same reasonable sentiment I made. Nor is anyone questioning why the headline was changed?

#84 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:22 PM | Reply

"If you tell a colored person born in Ohio to go back to the country they came from (thereby incorrectly assuming they are an immigrant), that isn't racist?"

Trump's tweet seemed be directly mainly at Representative Ilhan Omar, and peripherally at a couple of others who are second generation immigrants.

#85 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 10:29 PM | Reply

Defines asking for clarification of something as defense. Then goes a step further and falsely assigns a position.

You didn't "ask for clarification." You said "i am not seeing anything racist" and that "there is nothing racist" about these tweets. That isn't a request for clarification- that is a position. Own it, coward.

#86 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

See #82

it's purely situational as Nancy Pelosi is finding out.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:32 PM | Reply

"Snoofy - it's racist because Trump."

You're slipping dude.
You're becoming a NulliMackris.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:34 PM | Reply

So your only response is a deflection? Cute. And predictable.

Yes, there have been other racist remarks made in the history of this country. That doesn't make these remarks less racist. Keep flailing.

#89 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 10:34 PM | Reply

You didn't "ask for clarification." You said "i am not seeing anything racist" and that "there is nothing racist" about these tweets. That isn't a request for clarification- that is a position. Own it, coward.

#86 | POSTED BY JOE

Oh, gee. Angry litigator Joe is getting pedantic. Take another swig, Joe. I'm about to.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:34 PM | Reply

"This is just basic Expat 101."

Citizens aren't ex-pats.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:35 PM | Reply

You're becoming a NulliMackris.

#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFYZ

I take that as a complaint. Thanks

#92 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:35 PM | Reply

"Does that logic apply to the racial epithets levied at the likes of: Clarance Thomas. Condi Rice, Colin Powell Mia Love. Senator Tim Scott, Larry Elder, Candace Owens, etc, etc?"

If it does, would it make this racist?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:35 PM | Reply

#90 So you're done even addressing the issue? ---- off out of the thread then, coward.

#94 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 10:36 PM | Reply

"Snoofy - it's racist because Trump."
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If the shoe fits OWN IT. You really have so little to stand on given your historic statements and questions.

#95 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 10:38 PM | Reply

Oh, gee. Angry litigator Joe is getting pedantic. Take another swig, Joe. I'm about to.
#90 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

This is how he started the day .. he must be a joy to be around.

#96 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-14 10:39 PM | Reply

Check it out:
The people who think Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong are the same ones who don't think Trump's tweets are racist.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That doesn't make these remarks less racist. Keep flailing.

#89 | POSTED BY JOE

Please explain how these three tweets are racist.

As a show of goof faith, here is a Trump comment that I regarded as racist and can explain why it's racist:

www.vox.com

Essentially, this judge can't be objective about Trump's Mexico policies because he's Hispanic Yep. Not a lot of grey there. That's a racist take IMO.

Please demonstrate something similar with these 3 tweets.

#98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:41 PM | Reply

#90 So you're done even addressing the issue? ---- off out of the thread then, coward.

#94 | POSTED BY JOE

I'm far from done.

Bring it, coward!

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:42 PM | Reply

Oh, for and Andrea, a mattress. I explained in no uncertain terms why saying "go back to where you came from" to a person from a foreign country is racist up in #35.

But if you didn't read it then, I can't imagine you'd bother reading it now.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:43 PM | Reply

Please explain how these three tweets are racist.

I already did. You won't listen. Like a good little Trumper.

Please demonstrate something similar

Not every racist statement is framed as "this person cant do ____ because of their race." Telling someone to go back to the country they came from even though they were born in Ohio is racist. That this even needs to be explained to you is betond pathetic.

#101 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 10:44 PM | Reply

"Telling someone to go back to the country they came from even though they were born in Ohio is racist."

Why, because you said so?
--JeffJ

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:45 PM | Reply

Red alert red alert. Jeff's in deflector mode.

#103 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-14 10:45 PM | Reply

-- ---- off out of the thread then, coward.

#94 | POSTED BY JOE

Meltdown in aisle 5!

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 10:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

You won't listen. Like a good little Trumper.

I'm going to quote CBob and I hope you take this as intended:

"Kill yourself."

Telling someone to go back to the country they came from even though they were born in Ohio is racist.

OK. Finally, we have a declarative statement. Please expound. I'll listen.

#105 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:50 PM | Reply

No expounding is necessary. If it is, you have diminished mental capacity.

You're clearly just here to drink and take potshots. You're just as bad as Nulli at this point. I'll let someone else dunk on you all night. Peace!

#106 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 10:52 PM | Reply

--I'll let someone else dunk on you all night. Peace!

Don't go away mad, Angry Joe. Just go away.

#107 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-14 10:54 PM | Reply

Is it racist to tell Nick Lidstrom to go back to Sweden if he lodged a criticism of our government?

How about Steve Yzerman to Canada?

Igor Larionov to Russia?

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:55 PM | Reply

Why, because you said so?
--JeffJ
#102 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Please expound. I'll listen.
#105 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

^
Judges, can we get a ruling?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 10:55 PM | Reply

#108 - WTF?

You really have lost it, Jeff. Either that or you're trolling.

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're clearly just here to drink and take potshots. You're just as bad as Nulli at this point. I'll let someone else dunk on you all night. Peace!

#106 | POSTED BY JOE'

Way to bail, coward.

To borrow from Null with #107:

Forward to 1:16

www.youtube.com

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 10:59 PM | Reply

So basically, we've come to the conclusion that the tweets were not racist, but they were race-baiting. /thread

#112 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 11:00 PM | Reply

#112 - no, that may be what you concluded.

#113 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 11:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#108 - WTF?

You really have lost it, Jeff. Either that or you're trolling.

#110 | POSTED BY YAV

Please, explain it, Yav.

If you scroll up Zed has by far offered the best explanation and that is kind of remarkable.

I get the whole "because Trump" argument.

But that's lame, when your really think about it.

Make a compelling argument. I will listen.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:03 PM | Reply

My conclusions are almost always proven to be correct.

#115 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 11:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#106 | POSTED BY JOE

I'm trying to understand how these three tweets are racist.

Weeding through the chaff I've winnowed it down to 2 responses, both of which are nonsensical:

1. Because Trump

2. Because the insinuated targets (pretty clear who Trump was targeting) are people of color, which somehow inoculates them from criticism as long as they have the proper political views but if they don't than: "Uncle Tom, sellout, Racist, Oreo, Traitor, etc." are all fair-game, is somehow Nancy Pelosi is now racist for "targeting women of color."

I love this tweet from Rep Dan Crenshaw to Speaker Pelosi:

Madam Speaker, welcome to the true nature of identity politics - where you're accused of being racist for no reason at all, and where intellectually lazy insults are used against you as a way to replace substantive debate of your argument or idea.

This is the left eating its own due to the obvious end-game of toxic identity-politics.

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:15 PM | Reply

Jeff,
Telling US citizens to go back to where they came from (which I hope you can agree implies country of origin and not home district) indicates that the person does not belong here. Now, given the context of the speaker and the people about whom the person is speaking, most of the posters here are presuming that the reason that they don't belong here is not ideological, it's race or country of origin. As has been previously noted, Trump has not made similar statements to other people with whom he has had political disagreements or squabbles. He specifically targets four women of color. You can play a hypothetical game and question whether a similar statement made about white men would be racist, but here's the thing: the comment was made about four women of color, Trump has a troubling history of veiled or overt racist comments, and context matters. I respect you as a poster, generally, but I do not respect your unwillingness to connect these pretty obvious dots. Trump is implying that these women do not belong in America. Why do YOU think Trump would imply these women don't belong?

#117 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-07-14 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Please, explain it, Yav."

What is the part that needs explaining, exactly?
Maybe you could start here:

"racial animus might have been at play.
#48 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

If racial animus might have been at play, what remains to be explained?

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:18 PM | Reply

"and where intellectually lazy insults are used against you as a way to replace substantive debate of your argument or idea."

There's a substantive argument or idea in Trump's tweets?
What is it, JeffJ?

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:19 PM | Reply

Saying/yelling "Go back to your damn country!" has a very long history of being yelled at people of color.

Why did Trump tweet the below about U.S. born Female Representatives to Congress, or one that legally immigrated? "Orignally came from" where, exactly? What's meant by that? Sweden? Canada (re:108 - which is so laughable for many reasons)

And "viciously telling the people of the United States" - HINT: THEY are people of the United States. They aren't "The Others" or "Those" (that aren't really from here - they're not one of "us!"...

Go back? As far as I can tell they can't go back if they aren't from there. Except for Omar. All of them, though? You mean like all the decades of Blacks being told to "go back home!"?


So interesting to see "Progressive" Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly...and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough. I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

You see it or you don't. If you still can't see it - find one of your black or latin "friends" and have them explain it to you.

#120 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 11:21 PM | Reply

I'm trying to understand how these three tweets are racist.

For the record, no, you aren't.

#121 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-14 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#117 - Better - a more Socratic approach.

#122 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 11:22 PM | Reply

"Saying/yelling "Go back to your damn country!" has a very long history of being yelled at people of color."

Does that automatically mean it's racist?
Asking for JeffJ.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:23 PM | Reply

Last two sentences in #120 shouldn't be italicized. It was not part of Trump's tweet (obviously).

#124 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 11:24 PM | Reply

#117 | POSTED BY DYLANFAN

I honestly thank you for a well-thought answer to my question.

At the end of the day, your answer was the same as Zed's: "Because Trump."

Please understand that my take of your answer is not dismissive.

Where I push back (and this isn't necessarily addressed toward you) is that these people should NOT be exempt from criticism due to their place of birth, sex or melatonin.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:26 PM | Reply

"Because Trump" is beyond stupid, Jeff.

Anyone that said that would get the same response. It's bigoted and racist.

#126 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 11:28 PM | Reply

"Where I push back (and this isn't necessarily addressed toward you) is that these people should NOT be exempt from criticism due to their place of birth, sex or melatonin."

Nobody is arguing that they ought to be, JeffJ.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:29 PM | Reply

#120 | POSTED BY YAV

That post was classic, in a good way.

Give me a couple of minutes to grab a beer, tinkle, and I'll explain.

#128 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:30 PM | Reply

Trump, on the other hand, is criticizing them solely for their place of birth.
As you are fond of saying "Because Trump," the reason, as you might put it, is "Because foreigner."

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Outta here for the night, Jeff.

#130 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-14 11:35 PM | Reply

Yav,

Before I share a personal experience and tie it to your post I want to make sure you are still here to read it...

#131 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:42 PM | Reply

Outta here for the night, Jeff.

#130 | POSTED BY YAV

----!

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:43 PM | Reply

"I'm trying to understand how these three tweets are racist."

Honestly, Jeff, I'm trying to understand how you can be so obtuse--or at least are pretending
to be so.

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-14 11:47 PM | Reply

Jeff,
I appreciate your response. A couple thoughts:

1. I understand the hesitation around "Because Trump" as reasoning, but I think you're oversimplifying the matter. Context matters, the speaker matters, statements are not made in a void. When a person who has a troubling history of racist remarks makes another remark that COULD construed as racist, they have lost the benefit of the doubt. It matters that it's Trump who said it, so yes, these remarks are racist at least in part "because Trump."

2. I agree that women, people of color, and other marginalized groups are not above criticism. But when that criticism is worded as a racist/nativist attack, it's not criticism; it's an attack.

#134 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-07-14 11:50 PM | Reply

If someone had told my dad, who came here as a kid, to go back to where he came from, in his case the poverty-stricken Ireland of decades ago, and fix that country, it would have been just as racist as what Trump said. Anyone who claims to not understand that is either stupid or lying, IMO.

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-14 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"criticizing them solely for their place of birth."

Their political affiliations and dopey statements like being more patriotic than natural born citizens are clearly more than solely their place of birth. But you know that, which makes you as much of a liar as Trump is.

#136 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-14 11:53 PM | Reply

I'm not pretending, Gal.

So far, the answer has been, "Because Trump."

Zed said it in one sentence. A couple of others have expounded, Yav being the most effective.

Consider the source is fine, but that's all I've been able to pry thus far.

On the other hand....

The AOC camp not only described Pelosi as racist but all moderate Dems as the 'The New Southern Democrats' pining for the 1940's.

Are you aware if that?

#137 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:54 PM | Reply

Where I push back (and this isn't necessarily addressed toward you) is that these people should NOT be exempt from criticism due to their place of birth, sex or melatonin.
#125 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Can you point to what influenced this interpretation?

#138 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-14 11:55 PM | Reply

"Their political affiliations and dopey statements like being more patriotic than natural born citizens are clearly more than solely their place of birth."

Whatever.
"Go back to your country" is not more than solely their place of birth.
And it's a thing Trump said.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-14 11:57 PM | Reply

#134 | POSTED BY DYLANFAN

I mostly agree with your post.

I appreciate you taking the time to articulate that and I'd feel the same way if I mostly disagreed with your post.

#140 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-14 11:58 PM | Reply

I'm not pretending, Gal.
So far, the answer has been, "Because Trump."

I'm sorry to hear that, Jeff. Ireland was once considered a schitthole country and telling someone like my father to go back there if he wasn't 100% satisfied with everything in this country, would have been racist as hell. I'm sorry you can see that. It also frightens me that you can't.

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 12:00 AM | Reply

Where I push back (and this isn't necessarily addressed toward you) is that these people should NOT be exempt from criticism due to their place of birth, sex or melatonin.
#125 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Can you point to what influenced this interpretation?

#138 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Sure. Within the last couple of weeks prominent Democrats have baselessly accused long-term Democrat icons - Biden and Pelosi, as racists. Kamala Harris and AOC hurled the darts. Harris being the real pathetic one as she blasted Biden for a position that she holds and that an overwhelming majority of the public supports.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 12:02 AM | Reply

- "Because Trump."

All that's necessary on the Retort. The mere mention of the name triggers screams and fetal positions.

#143 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:05 AM | Reply

- Ireland was once considered a schitthole country

Northern Ireland is still a terrorist enclave.

#144 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:06 AM | Reply

I'm sorry to hear that, Jeff. Ireland was once considered a schitthole country and telling someone like my father to go back there if he wasn't 100% satisfied with everything in this country, would have been racist as hell. I'm sorry you can see that. It also frightens me that you can't.

#141 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I'm trying to see it. It's just not there as it pertains to racism and your anecdote didn't help.

I 10000% see the offensiveness of it.

Offensive? Yep.

Racist? Not seeing it in spite of the solid efforts of a few from this site.

#145 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 12:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I thought Harris's attack on Biden was unfair (and endlessly harped on in the media) especially in light of the fact that her position on bussing is essentially what his is/was. When I learned that was the case, I lost some of my respect for her. I know she needed a big moment to break into frontrunner status, but she shouldn't have done it in the way deceptive way she did, IMO.

That doesn't change the fact that Trump's comment was a racist one.

#146 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 12:10 AM | Reply

There was a time when John F Kennedy gave inspiring speeches lifting the entire nation with words alone. But those days are gone. Only money matters now.

#147 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-15 12:17 AM | Reply

"Whatever."

That was a good album from the 90's, although I liked more of the songs on Mann's second album.

Concession noted.

#148 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:20 AM | Reply

Whatever is not a concession.

Concession noted.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:21 AM | Reply

"That doesn't change the fact that Trump's comment was a racist one."

Nationality is not the same as race. If it was, then a lot of comments on here about Russians would qualify as racist.

#150 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:24 AM | Reply

#149- nope, still not passing the Turing Test. Back you go.

#151 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:25 AM | Reply

Justin Amash @justinamash

Justin Amash Retweeted Donald J. Trump
To tell these American citizens (most of whom were born here) to "go back" to the "crime infested places from which they came" is racist and disgusting.

#152 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 12:28 AM | Reply

Snoofy posted. Concession noted.

#153 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:31 AM | Reply

- Justin Amash

Quitter. whining.

#154 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I can easily see how these tweets are offensive.
I don't see how they are racist but I'm open to the possibility that they are and welcome a well-thought explanation in lieu of condescension."

If you don't find the comments racist/bigoted, what makes them offensive?

#155 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"#149- nope, still not passing the Turing Test. Back you go."

Whatever.

The issues remain, you can discuss them or not at your leisure.

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:34 AM | Reply

So are we going to conflate nationality with race all the time from now on? We can't just selectively do it sometimes and not other times. There needs to be a consistent definition of what race is when we're talking about alleged racism.

#157 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:40 AM | Reply

"So are we going to conflate nationality with race all the time from now on?"

See #35.

#158 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:41 AM | Reply

Hey Redial, go back to Canada, hoser. eh?

#159 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 12:41 AM | Reply

"We can't just selectively do it sometimes and not other times."

Sure we can.
See #35

"There needs to be a consistent definition of what race is when we're talking about alleged racism."

To what end? It wouldn't make people who think Zimmerman did nothing wrong think Trump's tweet is racist.

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you don't find the comments racist/bigoted, what makes them offensive?
#155 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

^
Excellent question.

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 12:43 AM | Reply

History repeats itself with a new group of immigrants to see as a threat and to attack:

When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century's Refugee Crisis

www.history.com

Worth a read.

#162 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 01:05 AM | Reply

You foreign-born skank who got here illegally, obtained green cards under dubious circumstances, then brought your backwater family in through chain migratuion, get out! Go back where you came from!
...
But, enough about Melania Trump.

#163 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-15 09:59 AM | Reply

Racist? Not seeing it in spite of the solid efforts of a few from this site.

#145 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-15 12:10 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

#164 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-15 10:21 AM | Reply

"So are we going to conflate nationality with race all the time from now on?"
See #35.
#158 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Your link doesn't work, not surprising.

Regardless, nationality is place of origin, or country membership; race is a physical quality. There is no overlap, and it would be racist to assume someones nationality based upon physical characteristics.

#165 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 10:28 AM | Reply

race is a physical quality

#165 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Race is pure abstraction. To see it otherwise invites racism.

#166 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-15 10:32 AM | Reply

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

It's Jeff. The answer to your question is obvious.

#167 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-15 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you don't find the comments racist/bigoted, what makes them offensive?

#155 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

He's essentially telling them to shut up. That's offensive no matter who it's directed at. I reject the notion that it's somehow more offensive if directed at a minority.

To confer privileged status on a minority is actually racist.

#168 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 10:42 AM | Reply

Nobody has managed to articulate how/why these comments are racist beyond "because Trump."

I want to be clear about this - I really appreciate the efforts put forth by Gal, Dylan and Yav. Zed too, for that matter. His response was the most succinct.

#169 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 10:47 AM | Reply

He's essentially telling them to shut up.

No, he literally told them to go back to the countries they came here from, despite the fact that 3 of the 4 were born here.

That you need to deliberately mischarcterize his remarks in order to argue your point speaks volumes about the strength of your "argument."

#170 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-15 10:51 AM | Reply

Trump's motive:

Donald J. Trump ‏ @realDonaldTrump

When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them & their horrible & disgusting actions!

If Democrats want to unite around the foul language & racist hatred spewed from the mouths and actions of these very unpopular & unrepresentative Congresswomen, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I can tell you that they have made Israel feel abandoned by the U.S.

#171 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 10:58 AM | Reply

Bears repeating:

Anybody pretending this isn't racism doesn't want to see it.
#37 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-14 07:53 PM

#172 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I understand that some people play the minority victim card when it isn't appropriate, but this isn't one of those cases.

#173 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 11:05 AM | Reply

#169 | POSTED BY JEFFJ......."Nobody has managed to articulate how/why these comments are racist"

You. your immediate and fervent defense of the tweets. your posting record. everyone on the DR knows what your sycophantic support of trump is based on.
I see it kind of like racism algebra.....
trump = racism...trump = JEFF J (based on your support) > JEFF J = racism

#174 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-15 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-No, he literally told them to go back to the countries they came here from, despite the fact that 3 of the 4 were born here.

Since you used the word "literally" then you can explain what that means.

He asked why don't they go back and fix the countries they came from. He didn't tell them to do so, literally.

There is no putting the racist genie back in the bottle.....Trump directed the comments towards people in a minority status.

Too bad for Trump there wasn't a alabaster skin with red haired progressive he was telling to go back to Ireland.

#175 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

After tweeting the above, Trump went on to tweet a quote by Lindsey Graham, which deftly ties together communism, illegal immigration, anti-Semitism and impeachment:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

"We all know that AOC and this crowd are a bunch of Communists, they hate Israel, they hate our own Country, they're calling the guards along our Border (the Border Patrol Agents) Concentration Camp Guards, they accuse people who support Israel as doing it for the Benjamin's,....

....they are Anti-Semitic, they are Anti-America, we don't need to know anything about them personally, talk about their policies. I think they are American citizens who are duly elected that are running on an agenda that is disgusting, that the American people will reject... ...

....What does it mean for America to have free Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants, no criminalization of coming into our Country - See how that works for controlling Immigration! They talk about Israel like they're a bunch of thugs, not victims of the entire region. They wanted...

.....to impeach President Trump on DAY ONE. Make them the face of the future of the Democrat Party, you will destroy the Democrat Party. Their policies will destroy our Country!" @LindseyGrahamSC Need I say more?

#176 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 11:17 AM | Reply

He asked why don't they go back and fix the countries they came from. He didn't tell them to do so, literally.

Wow Eberly,

I haven't seen you get this desperate since you were trying to get your tea party brethren off the hook for those racist emails they were circulating about Obama.

Let's ignore the "asked", "literally" semantics game you're playing.

Which countries should these brown and black women go back to?

He didn't say states, he didn't say districts. He said countries. Which means he doesn't believe they're from America. Why? Where are they from?

#177 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-15 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

He didn't say states, he didn't say districts. He said countries. Which means he doesn't believe they're from America. Why? Where are they from?

#177 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019

No Trump supporter holds Trump to what he's said. And the more they agree with it they less they do that.

#178 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-15 11:38 AM | Reply

Supporting Trump is like wandering in a landfill and appreciating the garbage.

#179 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-15 11:39 AM | Reply

177

The desperation is on your part, Clown. I posted on this thread...you smelled it and came running.

Joe doesn't know what "literally" means even though he used it. Now, you're doubling down on his ignorance and pretending you don't know what it means either.

I have no problem calling this racist.

sorry to disappoint you....but I'm in agreement with you.

#180 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have no problem calling this racist.
sorry to disappoint you....but I'm in agreement with you."

FWIW, that's how I read your post.

#181 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He's essentially telling them to shut up. That's offensive no matter who it's directed at. I reject the notion that it's somehow more offensive if directed at a minority."

It's how he is telling them to shut up that makes it racist.

#182 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Thanks, Gal.

and it IS how he's telling them to shut up.

#183 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 12:08 PM | Reply

It's who he's telling that also makes it racist and misogynist.

You look around a room and pick out someone to beat up. When you choose that person by appearance and gender, then it's the definition of bigotry.

#184 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-15 12:18 PM | Reply

Jeff. What if I walked into your place of work and told you "hey, white boy, go back to kentucky and eat your fried chicken. us real americans actually love our country."

#185 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-15 12:19 PM | Reply

"He didn't say states, he didn't say districts. He said countries. Which means he doesn't believe they're from America. Why? Where are they from?"

Based on the individuals in question, he was presumably referring primarily to Somalia, followed by Puerto Rico territory (or vaguely the Latin America region), the Palestinian State and Chicagoland. The last one being a jab at anything related to Obama.

I still don't know what his beef is with Puerto Rico, other than perhaps the governor criticized him at some point and hurt his manchild feelings.

#186 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:47 PM | Reply

sorry to disappoint you....but I'm in agreement with you.

#180 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Dang it! Now how are we supposed to fight amongst ourselves over stupid ---- as humpy wants?

185 posts already.

Humpy is trying to start a fart fire.

2020 cannot get here soon enough.


#187 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-15 12:50 PM | Reply

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

#188 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-15 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"It's who he's telling that also makes it racist and misogynist."

So now we're back to you can't criticize members of protected classes who happen to belong to a certain race, ethnicity or gender.

What if I walked into your place of work and told you "hey, white boy, go back to kentucky and eat your fried chicken. us real americans actually love our country."

You're illustrating here how the tweets in question are not inherently racial. You specifically objected race/skin tone into your comment, while Trump did not. You still haven't figured out that Trump was trolling for a certain reaction, one that you're providing him.

#189 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

*injected, not objected

#190 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 12:59 PM | Reply

#188 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

You remind me of posters who used to reply to every single message from Usenet trolls, and then flamed anyone who criticized him for helping the troll flood the newsgroup. They actually saw themselves as fighting evil, and that anyone who didn't agree with their method of responding to every single troll message were somehow complicit in that evil. The troll was probably laughing the whole time at the useful idiot who was unwittingly helping him.

#191 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 01:06 PM | Reply

*him or her. Don't want to assume the gender identity of internet trolls.

#192 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 01:07 PM | Reply

I haven't bothered to scroll up to the race baiting and hyperventilating that has been going on the last 190+ posts, but one thing is for sure, Trump certainly managed to get Acosta off the front pages for a few days with one tweet.

#193 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 01:08 PM | Reply

I still don't know what his beef is with Puerto Rico

He is a New Yorker, old prejudices die hard.

#194 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 01:10 PM | Reply

"He is a New Yorker, old prejudices die hard."

I live in and grew up in NYC. Puerto Ricans were probably the first group of people I knew about apart from Italians. In many ways they are more my people and have been better friends to me than your garden variety guido douchebag from Staten Island is. So let's not blame this on his being a New Yorker.

#195 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-07-15 01:15 PM | Reply

#193 | Posted by Rightocenter

What a pathetic joke of a POTUS, no?

#196 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-15 01:16 PM | Reply

Ilhan Omar is hard to take.
A refugee who became a citizen and defends her horrid country (and the religion that contributed to it) and says little positive about our nation will be bad for the Dems.

Much less the fact that she either married her brother or was married to two men at the same time, lying about it, for which she paid a fine.

And I'm generally a big fan of immigrants.

#197 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-07-15 01:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
#188 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Snoofy intentionally votes for evil as part of a strategy to lessen evil.

#198 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 01:32 PM | Reply

Nation Relieved As Politicians Too Busy Bickering To Push Their Terrible Ideas On The Country

U.S. -- The nation reported it was relieved Friday as it appeared that politicians were so busy bickering with one another that they didn't have much time to work on their terrible ideas for running the country.

As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Nancy Pelosi began to fight with one another, the nation breathed a sigh of relief as they were distracted from doing anything.

"Well, that's good," said one man in Michigan. "At least they'll be distracted from ruining my life for a little bit."

Then, Ilhan Omar and President Trump started firing attacks back and forth at one another. Trump said that if half the things people say about Omar are true, she shouldn't be in office. Then she fired back and said if a tenth the things people say about Trump are true, he shouldn't be in office. Then he took the bidding down to 1/100, and she said 1/1000. They are reportedly still bickering over this, and the country's just glad they're not doing their jobs.

babylonbee.com

"Frankly, if they'd all commit to just be in perpetual gridlock as they fight with one another, I'd be much more likely to vote for them," said a plumber in Idaho. He shrugged. "You go off to D.C. and get in cat fights with one another? Knock yourselves out, as long as you stay out of my business."

Unfortunately, it appears that at some point they'll stop fighting and get back to business. Oh well.

#199 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-15 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Where I push back (and this isn't necessarily addressed toward you) is that these people should NOT be exempt from criticism due to their place of birth, sex or melatonin."
Nobody is arguing that they ought to be, JeffJ.

They are not exempt from criticism. Telling them to go back where they came from is not criticism. It is racism.

#200 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-15 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You remind me of posters who used to reply to every single message from Usenet trolls, and then flamed anyone who criticized him for helping the troll flood the newsgroup. They actually saw themselves as fighting evil, and that anyone who didn't agree with their method of responding to every single troll message were somehow complicit in that evil. The troll was probably laughing the whole time at the useful idiot who was unwittingly helping him.

#191 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2019-07-15 01:06 PM | REPLY

I remember alt.soc.flame It wqas good for a few laughs now and then

#201 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-15 02:00 PM | Reply

"You go off to D.C. and get in cat fights with one another? Knock yourselves out, as long as you stay out of my business."

Ana Navarro-Cárdenas @ananavarro

A lot's being made of Pelosi vs Squad.
Pales in comparison to Boehner vs Freedom Caucus, who he routinely referred to as "anarchists", "legislative terrorists", "idiots" and "--------".
I don't recall it being referred to as a "cat-fight"...wonder why?

"Idiots," "Anarchists," and "--------": John Boehner Unloads on Republicans in Post-Retirement Interview

www.vanityfair.com

#202 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 02:02 PM | Reply

"So are we going to conflate nationality with race all the time from now on?"
See #35.
#158 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Your link doesn't work, not surprising.

The link works just fine.
Here it is again:
www2.census.gov
In case that link still doesn't work for you, here's the text for Question 9:
What is Person 1's race? Mark one or more boxes.
White
Black, African Am., or Negro
American Indian or Alaska Native -- Print name of enrolled or principal tribe.
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Japanese
Korean
Vietnamese
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Pacific Islander - Print race, for example, Fijian, Tongan, and so on.
Other Asian - Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.
Some other race - Print race.

"Regardless, nationality is place of origin, or country membership; race is a physical quality. There is no overlap, and it would be racist to assume someones nationality based upon physical characteristics.
#165 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS"

You really should read the Census question about race.
What you'll learn is, by your definition, the Federal Government is deeply racist!

#203 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 02:11 PM | Reply

"Snoofy intentionally votes for evil as part of a strategy to lessen evil.
#198 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Then I didn't passively accept it.
You intentionally vote for evil as part of a strategy to lessen evil too.
You just picked the evil of Jill Stein over the evil of Hillary Clinton.

#204 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 02:13 PM | Reply

Telling them to go back where they came from is not criticism. It is racism.

#200 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

No, it isn't. Is it offensive and demeaning? I think that case can clearly be made. Racist? I don't see it and I have been trying very hard to see it.

#205 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 02:20 PM | Reply

"I don't see it and I have been trying very hard to see it."

Take a long look at the list of countries listed as races in #203, JeffJ.

#206 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 02:23 PM | Reply

When everything is racist, nothing is racist.

#207 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That's like saying when everybody has two legs, nobody has two legs.
In other words, stupid.
But I realize it's time for you to dodge and weave, now that the "races" like "Chinese" are staring you in the face in #203.

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 02:25 PM | Reply

Trump tweeted Sunday that "‘Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen" should "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

^
And, if you really want to parse this to mean "their home districts," probably the best way to fix your home district is to get elected to Congress to represent your home district and start legislating some fixes. ----, it's probably the best way to fix Somalia too.

So Trump doesn't even understand how representative democracy works.

Which should bother people no less the racism stuff, which is old hat by now anyway. But then again I suppose his totalitarian tendencies are old hat too.

#209 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 02:29 PM | Reply

(Susan) Collins, who's up for reelection next year, said Trump should take down his tweet.
"I disagree strongly with many of the views and comments of some of the far-left members of the House Democratic Caucus -- especially when it comes to their views on socialism, their anti-Semitic rhetoric, and their negative comments about law enforcement -- but the President's tweet that some Members of Congress should go back to the 'places from which they came' was way over the line, and he should take that down."

www.cnn.com

"Take that down ..." Wow, that is some strong language!

(Typically, she will be considering a stronger rebuke for the next year and a half ...)

#210 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-15 03:36 PM | Reply

Ironic, isn't it, that Trump married immigrants ... twice.

His current wife worked in the U.S. illegally, and Trump paved the way for her parents to get to the front of the immigration line.

#211 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-15 03:39 PM | Reply

than your garden variety guido douchebag from Staten Island is. So let's not blame this on his being a New Yorker.

Like I said, old prejudices die hard, especially for New Yorkers.

Thanks for making my point for me, just with a different ethnicity.

#212 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 04:15 PM | Reply

I have been trying very hard to see it.

Can you stop pretending to be some objective analyst? It's embarrassing to read. If you were "trying very hard" you'd see what dozens of others already do.

#213 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-15 04:22 PM | Reply

-That's like saying when everybody has two legs, nobody has two legs.

No, it's not. His point is that you lose the shock value of "RACIST!!!" when you shout it so many times.

You can tell yourself it's justified each time but regardless...it just doesn't have the impact you want it to have.

Or....nevermind. You just keep on with your temper tantrum.

#214 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 04:30 PM | Reply

"No, it's not. His point is that you lose the shock value of "RACIST!!!" when you shout it so many times."

He's free to take a knee and sit this one out.
But that's not what he did.
He denies it's racist to begin with.

#215 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 05:08 PM | Reply

So?

You don't understand the point, obviously.

I'll move on.

#216 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 05:29 PM | Reply

Hey, Trumplings - what does Trump mean by Pesoli will set up travel accommodations? For whom? Why would he make such a "strange" statement about his be-loathed?

#217 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-15 05:29 PM | Reply

When everything is racist, nothing is racist.

#207 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-15 02:24 PM |

Too bad no one claims it's all racist all the time.

it's almost like you're using *gasp* a strawman.

PS- even you admit trump is a racist pos.

#218 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-15 05:31 PM | Reply

"You don't understand the point, obviously."

I understand the point, and the circle which inscribes it.
He's saying Trump says so many racist things, it's not even shocking any more.
He's saying Trump has normalized racism, because he's tired of hearing people call Trump racist.
He's more tired of hearing people call Trump racist, than he is of hearing Trump say racist things.

It's really more of a comment on JeffJ than a comment on Trump, or race.
Maybe a comment on Eberly too, but I hope not.

#219 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe we can get JeffJ's take on this comment:

"I want to talk to the Trump supporters for a moment. I don't know who you are, and I don't know why you like this guy," he began. "I think what you like about him is he appears to be strong and the rest of us are weak. He's a very successful businessman and he's going to make everything great."

"He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot," Graham continued. "He doesn't represent my party. He doesn't represents the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for. ... He's the ISIL man of the year." --Lindsey Graham, 2015 www.washingtonexaminer.com

#220 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#219 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-15 05:35 PM | FLAG: really really really really missing the point and doubling and tripling down on it

#221 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 05:39 PM | Reply

In that case, throw me a bone and say what the point is, because I feel I've got my eye on the ball, but you're telling me I'm not even playing the right sport.

#222 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 05:42 PM | Reply

-what does Trump mean by Pesoli will set up travel accommodations? For whom? Why would he make such a "strange" statement about his be-loathed?

I think he means Pelosi can't stand them either and she'd be happy to get rid of them.

Maybe that's -------- but that's why I think he said it.

#223 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 05:42 PM | Reply

"I think he means Pelosi can't stand them either and she'd be happy to get rid of them. "

Thats how i read it, eb.

#224 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-15 05:47 PM | Reply

"He's saying Trump says so many racist things, it's not even shocking any more.
He's saying Trump has normalized racism, because he's tired of hearing people call Trump racist."

He's saying Snoofy race baits so often, it's not even shocking any more.
He's saying Snoofy has normalized racebaiting
He's more tired of hearing Snoofy shout "racism" because someone in the media makes the accusation.

Now, remember...I agree this is racist on Trump's part so Jeff and I disagree on it....but I think that is his point.

I've made that argument many times...and that you and others here have no ability to apply scrutiny nor think for yourselves on this...instead, you're satisfied with being told to be offended and shout racism on cue.

I don't really do that anymore....there is no point. I only jumped into this to clarify what Jeff is doing.....but I disagree with him.

#225 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 05:49 PM | Reply

#219 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Snoofy's got his straw man action figures out!

#226 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 05:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pelosi can't stand them either and she'd be happy to get rid of them.

Completely agreed. They expose Pelosi for be a conservative globalist who's beholden to corporate America.

#227 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-15 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now, remember...I agree this is racist on Trump's part so Jeff and I disagree on it

Have you guys signed up for couples counseling?

#228 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-15 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"I think he means Pelosi can't stand them either and she'd be happy to get rid of them. "
Thats how i read it, eb.

#224 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-07-15 05:47 PM

Being the cynic that I can be when it comes to DC (and having seen how Washington works behind the scenes), part of me wonders if Trump didn't do this to take the heat off Pelosi, so she would owe him one.

#229 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 05:55 PM | Reply

- Now, remember...I agree this is racist on Trump's part so Jeff and I disagree on it.

I think it was more of a carefully crafted tar pit, but unnecessary, and very Trumpish.

#230 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 05:56 PM | Reply

part of me wonders if Trump didn't do this to take the heat off Pelosi,

I wonder what Trump had to do to buy Pelosi off.

#231 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-15 05:57 PM | Reply

-Have you guys signed up for couples counseling?

Jeff's a selfish bastard. He just won't commit the time.

It's not going to work out.........

#232 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 06:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

--I don't really do that anymore....there is no point.

Yep. No point at all in arguing with fanatics. Not any different than arguing with religious cultists or any other True Believer.

#233 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-15 06:02 PM | Reply

"I agree this is racist on Trump's part so Jeff and I disagree on it....but I think that is his point."
--Eberly

"you're satisfied with being told to be offended and shout racism on cue."
--Also Eberly

So when you think it's racism, it's racism.
But when I think it's racism, it's faux outrage.
Even when it's the same thing.

Is that about the long and short of it, Eberly?

#234 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 06:14 PM | Reply

-So when you think it's racism, it's racism.

Yeah, it's my opinion. MY opinion.

-But when I think it's racism, it's faux outrage.

usually....but a broken clock is right twice a day!!

#235 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 06:19 PM | Reply

When everything is racist, nothing is racist.
#207 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-15 02:24 P

When everything is socialism, nothing is socialism.

#236 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 06:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everything is racist!

www.youtube.com

#237 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-15 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I wonder what Trump had to do to buy Pelosi off.

Hard to say...she has condemned him and said that the House is working on a resolution to condemn Trump for his racist tweets but "it is unclear when the House will vote on the measure and the speaker did not specify in her letter condemning the tweets." To me that means she is hoping this blows over soon and no resolution will be introduced.

Obviously, Trump is not troubled by his racist tweets but it is just weird to me that Trump would needlessly jump into the Squad/Pelosi fray without some expectation of payback.

#238 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 06:45 PM | Reply

So I've read through the thread and came to this conclusion:

Trump doesn't pass the racist sniff test.

1. He singled out people of color
2. I grew up in southern Louisiana (70s) and I absolutely know what telling a black person "to go back to their country" means.

Here's the thing with Trump, he doesn't care what he says. He simply wants reactionary success. Why would he give a schitt about the black vote?
He has world platform where he says all the things that his constituents would love to say. In other words, they live vicariously through him.

#239 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-15 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lol. Imagine Obama saying this to 4 white wemmin in congress.

#26 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2019-07-15 06:23 PM | FLAG:

My post on the other thread.

#240 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-15 06:56 PM | Reply

Lol. Imagine Obama saying this to 4 white wemmin in congress.

#26 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

I think Obama would be far more likely to say: "Where are da white women at?"

#241 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 06:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I grew up in southern Louisiana (70s) and I absolutely know what telling a black person "to go back to their country" means.
#239 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

If Trump told an Irishman to go back to his country, would that be racism too?

Just wondering.

#242 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 06:59 PM | Reply

If Trump told an Irishman to go back to his country, would that be racism too?

Just wondering.

#242 | POSTED BY RAY

Trump could tell the KKK to crawl into a hole and these people would find a reason to freak out over it.

#243 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#243 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

These people are desperate to find something to bring Trump down.

They continue to underestimate Trump's self-promotion skills.

#244 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump told an Irishman to go back to his country, would that be racism too?

Just wondering.

No.

It's why Trump hasn't bothered to say that to other members of Congress who are white immigrants.

That was easy!

#245 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-07-15 07:20 PM | Reply

These people are desperate to find something to bring Trump down.

Trump builds the fire and lights the match.

But it's the people's fault acknowledging a fire?

You're from the Party of Personal Responsibility I take it?

#246 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-07-15 07:21 PM | Reply

If Trump told an Irishman to go back to his country, would that be racism too?
Just wondering.

Let's cross that bridge when we get to it.

I grew up around a lot of bigotry- I understand what his words meant. Is he really a racist? Or is he just looking for attention and rattling the cage of his supporters?

Either way it's a very low position to take as the leader of the free world. No stature, ------ character and a bad role model for young Americans especially.

#247 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-07-15 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump told an Irishman to go back to his country, would that be racism too?
Just wondering.

#242 | POSTED BY RAY AT 2019-07-15 06:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Yes it would be.

www.irishtimes.com

Life & Style /Generation Emigration
Ciara Kenny
The Irish Times forum by and for Irish citizens living overseas,
When the Irish became white: immigrants in mid-19th century US
Inspired by Black History Month, Patrick McKenna shares what he has learned of the history of Irish immigrants and Abolition in the US in the mid-19th century

Patrick McKenna

Ciara Kenny

Ciara Kenny

Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 01:00



Patrick McKenna

Emigration changes people, in many different ways. For example, in a previous Generation Emigration post I explained how, after more than 35 years as an immigrant in Canada I had lost my Irishness.

When Irish (poor, and Catholic) immigrants landed in the mid-19th century US they changed. They jettisoned the core of their identity – the long struggle for freedom. They joined in the oppression of African-Americans. Since I understand that this may seem controversial please allow me to explain.

In those days, the Irish immigrants had much in common with African-Americans; they might be nicknamed "Negroes turned inside out" while African-Americans would be "smoked Irish". A quip, attributed to an African-American, went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." In the census of 1850, the term "mulatto" appears for the first time, due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African-Americans.

#248 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-15 07:26 PM | Reply

Sad how we're down to an appeal that this once happened to white people too.

#249 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-15 07:30 PM | Reply

Even sadder that it took 249 posts to even recognize that point.

#250 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 07:32 PM | Reply

Trump builds the fire and lights the match.
But it's the people's fault acknowledging a fire?
#246 | POSTED BY ZARNON

He does that to burn his enemies. The more you people attack him, the worse you look.

You're from the Party of Personal Responsibility I take it?>

Nope. I'm an anarchist. It's on my home page.

#251 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 07:57 PM | Reply

"Yes it would be."

Race is not the same thing as ethnicity or national origin, according to the modern definition. If you want to go back to the olden definition, then you need to be consistent across the board moving forward.

#252 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 08:02 PM | Reply

#248 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

In that context. Yes.

In Trump's context it's about a Somalian female politician telling Trump how to run a country.
With that hijab, she's a dead ringer for a foreigner. Did you see drudgereport?
We know the other three are American. It doesn't matter.

Given the migrant is such a big issue, what matters is that what Trump said resonates with his supporters.

#253 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#252 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

They won't be, its convenient now....

#254 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 08:10 PM | Reply

He does that to burn his enemies. The more you people attack him, the worse you look. ~ Ray

Whats strange is they never learn.

#255 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 08:10 PM | Reply

Lol. Imagine Obama saying this to 4 white wemmin in congress.
#26 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

If they went around trashing the country, trashing the noble deaths of our soldiers in Somalia on a humanitarian effort.

I would have no problem with it.

#256 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I would have no problem with it.

POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-07-15 08:12 PM | REPLY"

Deplorable.

#257 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-15 08:32 PM | Reply

"Race is not the same thing as ethnicity or national origin, according to the modern definition."

Look out boys, he's using the "modern definition!"

Tell it to the Census:
Question 9:
What is Person 1's race? Mark one or more boxes.
White
Black, African Am., or Negro
American Indian or Alaska Native -- Print name of enrolled or principal tribe.
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Japanese
Korean
Vietnamese
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Pacific Islander - Print race, for example, Fijian, Tongan, and so on.
Other Asian - Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.
Some other race - Print race.

#258 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 08:34 PM | Reply

"Race is not the same thing as ethnicity or national origin, according to the modern definition."

Trumps a bigot. Wiggle out of that definition.

#259 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-15 08:37 PM | Reply

Wiggle out of that definition.

Exactly. Not all bigots are racists, but all racists are bigots.

#260 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-15 08:39 PM | Reply

It cracks me up that Ray self-identifies as an anarchist.

Rcade actually added that as an option to accommodate Ray and now this site has 4 people who identify as such.

#261 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 08:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

bigot

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions

sounds like everyone here on the DrudgeRetort

#262 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-07-15 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#258 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Tell it to the Census:
Question 9:
What is Person 1's race? Mark one or more boxes

The Census Bureau misused "race."

What are the 5 races?
The mid 20th century racial classification by American anthropologist Carleton S. ----, divided humanity into five races:
Caucasoid (White) race.
Negroid (Black) race.
Capoid (Bushmen/Hottentots) race.
Mongoloid (Oriental/ Amerindian) race.
Australoid (Australian Aborigine and Papuan) race.
Race (sociology) - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
simple.wikipedia.org(sociology)

#263 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 08:46 PM | Reply

He does that to burn his enemies.

And here I thought he just did it because he's an arrogant ignoramus with no self control.

#264 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-15 08:47 PM | Reply

sounds like everyone here on the DrudgeRetort

#262 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT 2019-07-15 08:44

Flag: Normalization of trumps abhorrent behavior.

#265 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-15 08:51 PM | Reply

And here I thought he just did it because he's an arrogant ignoramus with no self control.
#264 | POSTED BY REDIAL

That's true for just about every politician.
To say what everybody knows has no effect.

#266 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 09:01 PM | Reply

"Tell it to the Census:
Question 9:
What is Person 1's race? Mark one or more boxes
The Census Bureau misused "race.""

From what I can see, it looks like they're using an anomalous definition of race for people of East Asian descent, and using a different definition of people of European and African descent.

#267 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 09:14 PM | Reply

It's a fill-in-the-blank question. You can answer it any way you please.

#268 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 09:16 PM | Reply

The Squad uses identity politics and manipulative tactics all the time.

We will see some new ground broke til Nov 2020.
Trump acted crazy, brought out the crazy, he has acted crazier, they've upped the stakes...
Our nation deserves the insanity we've elected. In some perverse way.

Let's see where this takes us.

#269 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-07-15 09:20 PM | Reply

I watched the news conference with the 4.
They didn't up the stakes at all.
The most shocking thing said was when Omar directly quoted Trump.
I winced, then realized those were Trump's words and it was a direct quote.

Trump upped the stakes, though.
He went seriously off the edge.

He can't leave it alone.
He doubled-down, then tripled-down.
Racists love him.
He speaks to their oversized amygdalae.

#270 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-15 09:48 PM | Reply

Trump could tell the KKK to crawl into a hole and these people would find a reason to freak out over it.

That's actually...not true at all. I'd welcome such a statement from Trump.

But your hypothetical will never be tested, because Trump knows that racists are his bread and butter and he'll never tell the Klan to crawl in a hole.

#271 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-15 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There were good holes on both sides.

#272 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 09:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dang, this thread is still going!

I stand by my statement that Trump is using inflammatory, racist language to fire up his base, because he's a lowlife racist firestarter and that's all he knows how to do.

I am here as well to apologize to Sentinel for going over the top last night. I was in a foul mood and feeling impatient with the Trump excuse makers. I'm still fed up with the various ways people find to shift the blame away from Trump or act like what he said yesterday, and every other day, was not racist. I honestly believe Trump wants violence.

But Sentinel, you're far from the worst offender in covering for him. You just happened to be handy when I checked into the DR. So mea culpa. I will resolve to take a deep breath before typing.

#273 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-15 10:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#273

Our little boy is growing up....

*Sob*

#274 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-15 10:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But Sentinel, you're far from the worst offender in covering for him."

You misunderstood in thinking I was covering for him. I'm not doing that at all. I really do see people giving in to the knee-jerk response as giving Trump exactly what he wants and helping him in the long term. I'm also a language nerd, and it greatly annoys me when people misuse words like "literally" or "racist" or "xylophone".

#275 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 11:09 PM | Reply

"I'm also a language nerd, and it greatly annoys me when people misuse words like "literally"

Seems like you ought to know literally can mean figuratively.
Literally.

#276 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 11:18 PM | Reply

Wow. It's amazing to me how, clearly, so many on this site have no context, compassion, or knowledge of the hatred and racism directed at minorities on a daily basis. If you don't understand how Trump's comments are racist and offensive then you either a. have zero minority friends and are unaware of how they are treated by white people daily, or b. are constantly offending people and saying racist things yourself while patting yourself on the back that your minority friends have tough skin and "get it".

If you're in camp A, shame on you. Grow up and take some responsibility for your community. If you're in camp B, you are exactly the racist piece of ---- Trump is dog whistling. Congrats on being part of the white nationalist movement. You may not know you're in, but they know you are.

There is a C option, those who know they are racist and are almost proud of it. There's more than 1 on this thread who are trying to hide their glee at Trump's racist remarks. To those whom this applies, ---- you. Can't wait for your decreasing minority klan to die off, for your offspring to rebel against your racist ways, and your bigotry to be firmly in history books. ----. You.

#277 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-07-15 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#277 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

What about Option D?

Offensive, condescending, demeaning but not racist.

#278 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-15 11:53 PM | Reply

"Offensive, condescending, demeaning but not racist."

You didn't think intercutting shots of Omar with shots of the towers falling connected the two.

Meanwhile, if.a butterfly flapped its wings in the Amazon, you accused Obama of racism.

#279 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 12:06 AM | Reply

#277 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Good stuff .... exactly what you should say to everyone ....

#280 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-16 12:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Meanwhile, if.a butterfly flapped its wings in the Amazon, you accused Obama of racism.

#279 | POSTED BY DNC DAN

Obama isn't racist and he didn't run a racist administration. He had Al Sharpton as his point man on racial issues and ran a race-baiting administration.

#281 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 12:14 AM | Reply

"(Obama) had Al Sharpton as his point man on racial issues and ran a race-baiting administration."

Riiiiiiiiiight.

And yet you can't find a single thing Trump has done that's racist. In fact, you couldn't even admit when two images are presented back-to-back, it's purposeful.

But "Obama ran a race-baiting administration", in your eyes.

Color me stunned.

#282 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And yet you can't find a single thing Trump has done that's racist.

#282 | POSTED BY DNC DAN

Oh, Trump has done and said many things that are racist, DNC Dan.

Going back decades to him being a slumlord, DNC Dan.

Now, square that with your absurd, slavish sycophantic love for all things Obama.

We all know you place him above man and above Hercules. Is he above God too? Curious minds want to know...

#283 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 12:32 AM | Reply

"Now, square that with your absurd, slavish sycophantic love for all things Obama."

Deflection noted.

*drink*

#284 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 12:33 AM | Reply

"Trump has done and said many things that are racist, DNC Dan. "

Glad you could admit as much, Jizz-Swallowing Jeff.

#285 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 12:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Now, square that with your absurd, slavish sycophantic love for all things Obama."

Cute, trying to make it about me; but it's about how you can't seem to see Trump's racism, yet that's all you could see in Obama.

#286 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 12:37 AM | Reply

This thread just turned really gay.

*backs away slowly*

#287 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-16 12:37 AM | Reply

"We all know you place him above man and above Hercules."

Great. Another episode of Jealous Jeff being upset that Dems actually had decent folks to vote for.

#288 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 12:38 AM | Reply

Glad you could admit as much, Jizz-Swallowing Jeff.

#285 | POSTED BY DNC Dan

My pleasure. I'm curious about the Obama wallpaper that adorns every flat surface in your 3300 square foot home. Did you go black-and-white, to capture the moment or did you go full NYT super-bright halo with the Greek columns in the background and the tides receding? Inquiring minds want to know..

#289 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 12:40 AM | Reply

This thread just turned really gay.

*backs away slowly*

#287 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

It's not gay.

It's just projection.

Danforth assumes that because he's a massive Obama sycophant that anybody he disagrees with politically is a Trump/Bush/Romney/Etc sycophant.

It's all he knows.

#290 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 12:43 AM | Reply

DNC Dan was an atheist until Obama ran for office. He found his god, that's for sure.

#291 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 12:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Danforth assumes that because he's a massive Obama sycophant... "

Jeff assumes because I point out how horrifically awful Republicans have become, I must therefore love Obama.

Yet he can't find a single post where I lavish praise on Obama, or Dems for that matter. DDS, clearly.

"...that anybody he disagrees with politically is a Trump/Bush/Romney/Etc sycophant. "

No, just folks like you who vote to enable those people again and again and again.

"DNC Dan was an atheist until Obama ran for office."

Jizz-Swallowing Jeff had some morals, until Trump ran for office.

#292 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 12:53 AM | Reply

*backs away slowly*

Smiling because I'm behind Sentinel.

#293 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-16 12:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Danforth assumes that because he's a massive Obama sycophant... "

When I think of the term Obama sycophant, the name Danforth does not immediately--nor upon reflection--spring to mind.

#294 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-16 12:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But when I think of a new-to-me term, Danforth Derangement Syndrome, there is one name that leaps to mind. LOL

#295 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-16 01:00 AM | Reply

Jeff assumes because I point out how horrifically awful Republicans have become, I must therefore love Obama.

No assumptions at all. You have been worshipping Obama since 2007. It has nothing to do with the awfulness of the GOP.

Yet he can't find a single post where I lavish praise on Obama, or Dems for that matter. DDS, clearly

I first started posting on this site before registration was mandatory. I stumbled here in August of '04. I watched you lavish relentless praise for Obama and even to this day anytime a valid criticism is levied against your beloved DNC you immediately deflect and play whataboutism.

No, just folks like you who vote to enable those people again and again and again.

Bickering aside - in all seriousness, when you say "enable" what are you specifically referring to? And, is this "enabling" by congressional Republicans toward the GOP POTUS somehow different than the enabling of past GOP congress toward GOP Presidents or DEM congress toward DEM presidents?

Jizz-Swallowing Jeff had some morals, until Trump ran for office.

#292 | POSTED BY DNC DAN

I didn't vote for Trump, nimrod. I voted for Johnson. He was, and is, very flawed but was far more a moral choice than the piece of crap you proudly voted for.

#296 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 01:03 AM | Reply

#293 | POSTED BY YAV

That was funny!

#297 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 01:05 AM | Reply

"You have been worshipping Obama since 2007."

Then finding posts proving that claim should be easy. Go right ahead.

"I watched you lavish relentless praise for Obama "

You also claimed to know people hurt by the Cadillac Tax, so your "memory" is suspect. I'll wait for actual proof, thanks anyway.

"I voted for Johnson."

And every Trump enabler you could.

"It has nothing to do with the awfulness of the GOP."

Then finding posts where I lavish praise on the Dems should be the easiest job ever.

Or you could just admit all this "worship" has been in your own deluded mind.

But go ahead...prove me wrong. Find a post where I lavished praise on Obama or the Dems.

#298 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-16 01:19 AM | Reply

DNC Dan was an atheist until Obama ran for office. He found his god, that's for sure.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-16 12:44 AM | REPLY

There you go again proving Danforth correct. NOBODY on the left called Obama the messiah. That was you and your right winged ilk who declared him such.

#299 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-16 01:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There you go again proving Danforth correct. NOBODY on the left called Obama the messiah. That was you and your right winged ilk who declared him such.

#299 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Uh huh.

www.ncregister.com

#300 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 01:48 AM | Reply

I don't see anything racist about the words ------------, Jungle isn't a racist word
and I thought you Dems like jungles being environmentalists and all, and the word Bunny isn't racists in fact bunnies are cute, there for when someone calls an African American a ------------ they could mean they're a cute environmentalist!
nothing racist about that!
posted by JeffJ NEWSWORTHY BY Ray

#301 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-16 01:52 AM | Reply

JeffJ, while Danforth is clearly a liberal democrat, Danforth is only an ideologue when it comes to downloading music and TV shows off the Internet without paying for them. Then his arguments go all emotional and the economics of the situation goes out the window.

Sort of like how Zatoichi was sound on the science of global warming, but couldn't enter a gun control thread without doing a Yosemite Sam impression and shouting Juarez! Juarez!

Other than that, he's hardly the Democrat toady you want him to be.

You owe it to yourself to review this thread and think about why the people whose counsel you sought not only couldn't see it your way, but threw in the towel on trying to explain it to you.

#302 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 02:03 AM | Reply

anytime a valid criticism is levied against your beloved DNC you immediately deflect and play whataboutism.

Do you really think you're any different?

Your lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

#303 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-16 02:31 AM | Reply

#278 JeffJ - See option A. You have no knowledge or understanding of the plight of minorities. The comment is offensive because it's racist. The comment is demeaning because it's racist. There is not an option where Trump's comments are not racist. It doesn't exist. Trump has a long history of racist comments and actions. Go educate your self. Find a minority. Be a friend to them. Earn their trust. Ask questions. Listen.

#280 Andrea - Solid option C. I expect that reaction from you though. A racist like yourself can never understand the intellectual and visceral reaction to racist comments. But thanks for outing yourself as a full on proud racist.

#304 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-07-16 06:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think we can accept that Trump isn't courting the Black vote.

#305 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 07:33 AM | Reply

"I didn't vote for Trump, nimrod. I voted for Johnson. He was, and is, very flawed but was far more a moral choice than the piece of crap you proudly voted for."

Proof that 40 years of right wing lies and attacks do work. That's why they do it. Folks like Jeff are their target audience because they can be swayed by things like Behghazzi. Totally B.S. but it works.

#306 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-16 08:54 AM | Reply

The issue is not "everything is racist". The issue is Trump is racist. Only racists will demand further evidence. Trump is hoping to ride their racism into a second term.

#307 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 09:07 AM | Reply

It's not about demanding further evidence....most trumpers I know don't pay attention to any of this. Fox News doesn't hammer it except to deflect for it and they won't accept anybody else's version of what happens.

I don't believe most trumpers openly and consciously support racism on the part of the president they voted for and will vote for again. They simply don't see it.

Now, with that said....calling those folks racists wont' work. you can only focus on swing states and mobilizing independent voters....which is what I'm seeing right now.

That's all there is until we have a nominee from the democratic party.

#308 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-16 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now, with that said....calling those folks racists wont' work. you can only focus on swing states and mobilizing independent voters....which is what I'm seeing right now.
That's all there is until we have a nominee from the democratic party.

#308 | Posted by eberly at 2019-

Wisdom.

#309 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 09:30 AM | Reply

From The Hill:

"The GOP has used this tired ("socialist") meme for decades. When President Roosevelt passed Social Security as part of the New Deal, when President Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid, both were lambasted by Republicans as socialist programs that would destroy the U.S. economy. Today, these programs are pillars of it."

#310 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-16 09:41 AM | Reply

"the intellectual and visceral reaction"

The reaction by you and others has been 100% visceral, 0% intellectual. Trump knew exactly which button to push to get that kind of response. The troll is laughing his ass off while playing you like a xylophone.

"Only racists will demand further evidence."

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. That's an empirically anti-intellectual statement. He's got you attacking not only him, but also anyone who isn't already on your automatic knee-jerk attack bandwagon. Even people who agree his past statements qualify as either racist or bigoted are being attacked by you if they're not immediately on the same page with you about this specific incident. Don't ask questions, just join us in the R-word chorus, just like in every dispute in the media between a monochrome and a technicolor person, otherwise we'll call you the R-word too. This strategy will backfire.

#311 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-16 09:46 AM | Reply

"the intellectual and visceral reaction"
The reaction by you and others has been 100% visceral, 0% intellectual. Trump knew exactly which button to push to get that kind of response. The troll is laughing his ass off while playing you like a xylophone.
"Only racists will demand further evidence."
This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. That's an empirically anti-intellectual statement. He's got you attacking not only him, but also anyone who isn't already on your automatic knee-jerk attack bandwagon. Even people who agree his past statements qualify as either racist or bigoted are being attacked by you if they're not immediately on the same page with you about this specific incident. Don't ask questions, just join us in the R-word chorus, just like in every dispute in the media between a monochrome and a technicolor person, otherwise we'll call you the R-word too. This strategy will backfire.
#311 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

"Trump knew exactly which button to push..."

That doesn't make it any thing less than full racism. He's not laughing his ass off. He's wildly trying to defend himself without having to admit he said something awful. And his Republican colleagues are terrified about the upcoming election because of it.

"That's an empirically anti-intellectual statement. He's got you attacking not only him, but also anyone who isn't already on your automatic knee-jerk attack bandwagon."

Anti-intellectual? Sorry, but the Republican establishment did nothing. You can't vote Neo-Nazi and claim its only because you like shaved heads as a fashion statement. The Republicans are the Party of Trump until they step up and do something about it. And if you vote Republican, you enable racist trash. End of story. Game Over. Bye Bye.

#312 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-16 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How well did the strategy of calling people a basket of deplorables work out last time? Learn from history or repeat it.

#313 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-16 11:30 AM | Reply

Trump is successfully doing what Bin Laden couldn't do. The monsters are out on Maple street.

#314 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-07-16 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How well did the strategy of calling people a basket of deplorables work out last time? Learn from history or repeat it.

#313 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-16 11:30 AM | Reply

We need not to call them Deplorables while acting to neutralize God-knows how many Deplorable behaviors.

Nothing wrong with treating others with respect, I have to agree. Not going to let them burn down the shop though.

#315 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 11:44 AM | Reply

"That doesn't make it any thing less than full racism. He's not laughing his ass off. He's wildly trying to defend himself without having to admit he said something awful. And his Republican colleagues are terrified about the upcoming election because of it"

Accurate.

Trump always signals when he's frightened. His trying to push buttons is reflexive and expected. That he's playing to a rancid sub-culture that calls other people names without wanting any names for themselves is also expected.

#316 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 11:46 AM | Reply

And if you vote Republican, you enable racist trash. End of story. Game Over. Bye Bye.

#312 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-16 11:22 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive | Newsworthy 1

Completely true. The starkness of this will only continue to heighten between now and the election. In the end many millions of Trump supporters will be calling themselves racists openly.

Face it kids, Trump has written off the vote of the Blacks, Hispanics, and most anyone else who has ever been a position to be threatened by some other faction of society.

Race and race hatred is what Trump's banking on to see him over the line.

#317 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 11:50 AM | Reply

And if you vote Republican, you enable racist trash. End of story. Game Over. Bye Bye.
#312 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-16 11:22 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive | Newsworthy 1
Completely true. The starkness of this will only continue to heighten between now and the election. In the end many millions of Trump supporters will be calling themselves racists openly.
Face it kids, Trump has written off the vote of the Blacks, Hispanics, and most anyone else who has ever been a position to be threatened by some other faction of society.
Race and race hatred is what Trump's banking on to see him over the line.

#317 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-07-16 11:50 AM

Here's a tip for both of you:

"Basket full of deplorables" harmed the Clinton campaign. It's foolish to double-down.

#318 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 11:51 AM | Reply

It's strange that "Grab em by the -----" didn't harm the Trump campaign.

#319 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-16 12:01 PM | Reply

It's strange that "Grab em by the -----" didn't harm the Trump campaign.

#319 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-16 12:01 PM

It doesn't bother Deplorables.

But let's not double down.

#320 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-16 12:06 PM | Reply

""Basket full of deplorables" harmed the Clinton campaign"

Fundamentally speaking, Clinton harmed the Clinton campaign. But for that one singular moment, she put aside her complete ineptitude as a visionary and offered the nation a brief glimpse into the near-future.

#321 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-07-16 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#311 Scentinal

You can't claim the intellectual high ground while being willfully ignorant of the trials of minorities. Racists should be called out every time. Does hearing Trump being called a racist on a near daily basis trigger you? Does it make you feel better to call him a bigot? Because he's actually both a racist and a bigot. And we have no worries about you joining the racism band wagon. To paraphrase Trump, he "could drag a black man to death behind a horse on Main Street and not lose Sentinel's support".

Funny how you'll attack those calling out racism as triggered while ignoring the comments of Mr Bigot-Race Baiter. Again, racism should be denounced at every turn.

Oh, and chalk another one up for Option C.

#322 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-07-16 12:35 PM | Reply

Basket full of deplorables" harmed the Clinton campaign. It's foolish to double-down.

#318 | POSTED BY Comrade Jeffry

-------!

That statement did nothing.
You racist (R)tards were not voting for her anyways even before that statement.

What killed her chances was a combination of russian interference, overconfidence, and being an unlikeable polarizing figure. A lot of people on the left I know didn't like her.

#323 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-16 12:40 PM | Reply

Can't argue with stupid.

#324 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-16 12:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I don't believe most trumpers openly and consciously support racism on the part of the president they voted for and will vote for again. They simply don't see it."

So, should we stop calling it out?

#325 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 01:05 PM | Reply

What dems dare not mention. The real issue is about open immigration and the costs imposed on taxpayers.

To insist it's about racism is only going to increase voter support.

#326 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-16 01:16 PM | Reply

#326

Since the Progressives are now forced to admit that immigration is truly a crisis, shouting "racist" is all they have left.

#327 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 01:27 PM | Reply

"immigration is truly a crisis"

LOL!!!
It's a crisis for the immigrants.
Especially for the children who get taken from their parents.

But not for America, and certainly not for Republicans.
Is there an Immigration Threat Color Code today, or is it always just Brown?

#328 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 01:30 PM | Reply

- or is it always just Brown?

There it is - "racist!"

There's nothing racist about supporting legal immigration. Fill out the paperwork and wait for your opportunity.
The asylum scam currently underway is exactly that; a scam. Plenty of jobs, food, water, and housing in Mexico.
Democrats are simply seeking a way to circumvent immigration law and legal entry.

The rest is just you screaming "brown!".

#329 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There's nothing racist about supporting legal immigration."

^
That's a nonsense statement.

This nation's history is replete with racist immigration law.
Like the current one, barring people from Muslim countries.

#330 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 01:51 PM | Reply

Like the current one, barring people from Muslim countries.
#330 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Don't know the details. That sounds like more to do with the terrorist issue.

#331 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-16 01:56 PM | Reply

- That's a nonsense statement.

No it's not.

- This nation's history is replete with racist immigration law.
- Like the current one, barring people from Muslim countries.

You're conflating and reducing complex issues into loaded soundbites.

Do you support legal immigration or not? yes or no? Do you support circumventing legal immigration? Do you support illegal immigration?

It's all very straight forward. Fix the immigration laws and abide by them.

#332 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 02:15 PM | Reply

"You're conflating and reducing complex issues into loaded soundbites"

I'm doing the The opposite.
I produced a link to two centuries of racist US immigration law.

#333 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 02:17 PM | Reply

Don't fall for the notion that the democrats and the republicans are that far apart on immigration.

This shouting fest is about it all being a wedge issue. Not about "policy".

Once a democratic nominee has been established....expect the winner to move to middle on immigration, and if elected....go back to reality.

The immigration is just the same...only in reverse because Trump is actually taking drastic action.

For the past 30+ years, the president doesn't do enough and the opposition party attacks them for "open borders". both sides have done this repeatedly.

Now, it's "stop doing something".....but it's the same game. Whatever the president is doing....get on the other side of the issue and pretend that's how you really feel.

#334 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-16 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

George W Bush was certainly lax on border enforcement.

Anybody remember the Minute Man movement? Private citizens patrolling the border?

That happened during Bush's years.

#335 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-16 02:25 PM | Reply

What dems dare not mention. The real issue is about open immigration and the costs imposed on taxpayers.

To insist it's about racism is only going to increase voter support.

#326 | POSTED BY comrade RAY

A habitual racist (You) complaining about others calling him and his kind racist is ironic.

Listen up Ray Ray, If you don't like being called a racist, quit being a racist and quit saying racist crap, it really is that simple.

#336 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-16 02:30 PM | Reply

Listen up Ray Ray, If you don't like being called a racist, quit being a racist and quit saying racist crap, it really is that simple.
#336 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

I'll take the source into consideration.

Bears repeating.

What dems dare not mention. The real issue is about open immigration and the costs imposed on taxpayers.

#337 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-16 02:43 PM | Reply

I'm not sure anybody here, other than racebaiters, are even bothered anymore about being called a racist.

It's from the same group of racebaiters anyway who offer little else in a debate.

let it fly, abortionbreath. call us all racists if that's what gets you off.

#338 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-16 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

call us all racists if that's what gets you off.

Like I said, now that all the BS has been stripped away, "what about the children???" and "racist!!!" is all they have.

Pathetic, really.

#339 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not sure anybody here, other than racebaiters, are even bothered anymore about being called a racist.

Trump has normalized racism and right wing extremism.

Some people still care about racism. Obviously not most people right of center.

#340 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 03:02 PM | Reply

what about the children?

Said no Trump supporter when discussing the concentration camps along the border.

what about the children?

Shriek Trump supporters when discussing the LGBT or sex ed.

#341 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 03:05 PM | Reply

"what about the children???"

^
This is the rationale for the family separation policy.
To "protect" the illegal immigrant children being trafficked.
Don't tell me you buy into that nonsense, RightOCenter!

#342 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:14 PM | Reply

I produced a link to two centuries of racist US immigration law.
#333 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

No you didn't. You just look for racism everywhere,

and see racism everywhere you look. You will allow for no other explanation.

#343 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:19 PM | Reply

"No you didn't."

I did.
I guess you missed it.
Here it is again, "List of United States immigration laws"
en.wikipedia.org

#344 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:22 PM | Reply

This is the rationale for the family separation policy.
#342 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The policy that ended a year ago?

- To "protect" the illegal immigrant children being trafficked.

You don't want to protect children from trafficking? Why?

#345 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:22 PM | Reply

"and see racism everywhere you look. You will allow for no other explanation."

Let's hear the other explanations, this should be good!

#346 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:23 PM | Reply

"List of United States immigration laws" en.wikipedia.org

"This article needs to be updated. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (March 2017)"

You're slipping, Snoofy.

#347 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:24 PM | Reply

"The policy that ended a year ago?"

Only it didn't end a year ago.
But yes, that policy.

#348 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:24 PM | Reply

"Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information."

Irrelevant.
New information from 2017 onward won't change the obvious racism in the history of America's immigration laws.

#349 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:25 PM | Reply

New information from 2017 onward won't change the obvious racism in the history of America's immigration laws.

It will show racism towards immigrants has been ramped up.

#350 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 03:27 PM | Reply

Let's hear the other explanations, this should be good!
#346 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Legal immigration is the only way. Visas, work permits, paths to citizenship.

It needs to be lawful, orderly, have limits, meet conditions.

That's not a policy that, "hates brown people".

#351 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:27 PM | Reply

racism towards immigrants
#350 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Which is all you got. It's all your party's got. You can't even rationally debate the subject.

#352 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:29 PM | Reply

"Legal immigration is the only way"

Not even close to true.
Look how Melania Trump got here.
By lying on a work visa.

#353 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:29 PM | Reply

"It needs to be lawful, orderly, have limits, meet conditions.
That's not a policy that, "hates brown people"."

It is when the limits are on brown people.

#354 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:29 PM | Reply

won't change the obvious racism in the history of America's immigration laws.

#349 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You see? Your mind is made up. You can't even discuss legal immigration rationally.

#355 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:30 PM | Reply

#341

You just made my point that those situations are partisan BS from the extremes on both sides trying to push their particular Narrative.

#356 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-16 03:30 PM | Reply

It is when the limits are on brown people.

#354 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's your only solution. Unlimited immigration, by legal, illegal, or any other means.

You're irrational. You can't even see clearly to discuss the subject. That's too bad.

#357 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:33 PM | Reply

Let's square the Jill Stein supporter's views with Jill Stein's stance on illegal immigration:

Deportation of vulnerable refugees is morally abhorrent www.ontheissues.org

Obama's recent night raids and deportations of Central American families and children are inhumane and morally reprehensible. Deportation of these vulnerable, abused refugees is morally abhorrent. We are all immigrants in this country--with the exception of native Americans. The diversity of multicultural immigrant America has always been the core strength of our nation. Our 12 million undocumented immigrants are hardworking, tax-paying community residents who take the hardest and worst paid jobs. They should be celebrated, not intimidated with the threat of deportation. It's time to create a welcoming path to citizenship and put an immediate end to the shameful era of deportations and detentions. Fundamentally, the immigration crisis must be resolved by ending the harmful US policies (including drug wars, predatory trade agreements, and political and military interventions) that are turning whole populations into refugees to start with.

#358 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:33 PM | Reply

"It's your only solution."

Solution?
To what problem, exactly?

#359 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:34 PM | Reply

"You just made my point that those situations are partisan BS from the extremes on both sides trying to push their particular Narrative."

It's BS to say Trump's comments are racist?
I wonder if Eberly agrees with this, even as he agrees that Trump's comments are racist...

#360 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:35 PM | Reply

Solution?
To what problem, exactly?

#359 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Here comes Snoofy the Dumber, play a word game.

You're irrational. Stay irrational, I don't care.

I just wanted to expose your irrationality on immigration. Mission Accomplished.

#361 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 03:36 PM | Reply

"You're irrational. Stay irrational, I don't care."

You care deeply.
Few others here will even waste their time talking to you.

#362 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:37 PM | Reply

racism towards immigrants
#350 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Which is all you got.
#352 | POSTED BY SHERP

You mean, it's all you got.

Otherwise. Why not allow them to enter America legally?

#363 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 03:38 PM | Reply

You just made my point that those situations are partisan BS from the extremes on both sides trying to push their particular Narrative.

Objecting to people being locked up in cages for attempting to come to America is a partisan extreme?

Sad.

#364 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-16 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I just wanted to expose your irrationality on immigration."

The irrationality of immigration is laid bare by the fact that capital can move freely around the globe while labor cannot.

Money has more freedom that people.
It's a system rigged against the working man, by design.
The fact that a few workers literally win the lottery to come here doesn't change that.

But this is a different conversation that the merits of immigration policy.
The merits of immigration policy comes down to the best way of picking winners and losers, from among the rest of the world's population. We have a policy that tends to pick big fish in little ponds and moves them up to the big leagues, which is hugely beneficial for America, but does lead to a "brain drain" from the rest of the world.

#365 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's not a policy that, "hates brown people"."

Wake me when they start raiding Irish pubs in NYC. I doubt there is a pub in Manhattan that isn't staffed by Irish bartenders who've overstayed their tourist Visas. Somehow they're not scared of Trump's stance on immigration.

#366 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-07-16 03:42 PM | Reply

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