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Monday, July 15, 2019

Conservatives who reluctantly support President Trump often try to pretend the daily outrage didn't happen, but yesterday's "go back" tweets were like his "both sides" comment on Charlottesville -- a transgression that won't instantly fade, and can't be laughed off.

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Trump allies expect this to get worse, not better.

Posted by lamplighter at 10:32 AM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

Both most will stick with him. Because to many worse is better.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-15 11:33 AM | Reply

The bottom line: Trump is all-in on us-versus-them politics and does not care if he occasionally crosses the line into racism. Trump allies expect this to get worse, not better.

The "go back" tweets were meant to have people come to Omars and AOC's defense.

Which then groups Pelosi and moderate Democats with them. "Our Team". Well then by association your team is anti-semitic. Omar's poll numbers in her own district aren't good.

Its fascinating to watch it play out. Its like he has the Democrats on a string, if they start infighting he aligns them and they all get the label as "Socialist", or "Anti-Semitic" ... its political genius.

Its not a tough time at all ... Democrats are just getting a taste of what they have been doing to decades.

Snoofy complaining we claim its only about Trump is a perfect example. Remember when any criticism of Obama was "racist". ...

Welcome to your own methods and tactics.... tough isn't it.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember when any criticism of Obama was "racist". ...

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 11:52 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

No.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-15 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Remember when Trump wasn't racist?

Funny, neither do I.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-15 11:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3


@#2 ... Remember when any criticism of Obama was "racist". ..

I don't remember when any criticism of fmr Pres Obama was "racist."

I do remember when pictures of fmr Pres Obama and the fmr First Lady were circulated that were considered to be racist because their faces were photoshopped with faces of monkeys.

Just one example:

GOP Official Who E-mailed an Obama Monkey Photo Won't Resign
nymag.com

That sort of stuff started in the GOP with the Tea Party. It is the main reason I left the GOP.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-15 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The "go back" tweets were meant to have people come to Omars and AOC's defense.
Which then groups Pelosi and moderate Democats with them. "Our Team". Well then by association your team is anti-semitic. Omar's poll numbers in her own district aren't good.
Its fascinating to watch it play out. Its like he has the Democrats on a string, if they start infighting he aligns them and they all get the label as "Socialist", or "Anti-Semitic" ... its political genius.
Its not a tough time at all ... Democrats are just getting a taste of what they have been doing to decades.
Snoofy complaining we claim its only about Trump is a perfect example. Remember when any criticism of Obama was "racist". ...
Welcome to your own methods and tactics.... tough isn't it.

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

You must be dizzy from all that spin. Is it hard to lie that much?

You need help.

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-15 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Which then groups Pelosi and moderate Democats with them. "Our Team". Well then by association your team is anti-semitic."

Check it out:
Andrea, a mattress is channeling Lindsey Graham now!
"We all know that [Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez] and this crowd are a bunch of communists, they're anti-Semitic...we don't need to know anything about them personally, just talk about their policies," Graham said."
www.cbsnews.com

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 01:54 PM | Reply

"Snoofy complaining we claim its only about Trump is a perfect example. Remember when any criticism of Obama was "racist". ...
Welcome to your own methods and tactics.... tough isn't it."

I want to make sure I understand this:
It was wrong to claim any criticism of Obama was racist.
So now you're getting your revenge, by denying anything Trump does could possibly be racist.
And these methods and tactics are designed to troll Snoofy and the rest of the libs; they don't really address the issue of racism, but rather, make a mockery of it.

My, that's tough!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, fat Andy Mattress is trying to spin and deflect his way out of this.

And he wonders why we call him a racist???

Fat Andy is truly a sad and pathetic human being that needs a crap ton of help for his severe
mental illness.

#9 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-15 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-07-15 11:52 AM | REPLY

I often disagree with Mackris' posts, but he's spot on with thIs. Trump is playing his opponents, and the usual useful idiots are playing right into it. Little tuckers like snoofy are directly telling people to vote for trump if they're not buying into this self defeating narrative. These morons are Trump supporters and they don't even know it.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#10 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

*Trump takes fast food dump on Angela Merkel's head*

"Aha! See - he's got you talking about it! He's a master of the news cycle! You're only making him stronger!"

#11 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-15 02:35 PM | Reply

Walter Shaub @waltshaub (former Director of @OfficeGovEthics)

The fetid bigotry that spills from this corrupt silver spoon is a national disgrace that should provoke outrage and condemnation from party leaders like Mitch McConnell, but it won't because hate is a matter of conscious branding now and probably electoral necessity for them.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 02:47 PM | Reply

don't believe Walter Shaub?:

Shaun King @shaunking

It's 1:43AM here in NYC and I've been studying white supremacist message boards for 4+ hours tonight.

THEY ARE BUZZING WITH EXCITEMENT over the openly bigoted attacks from Trump against 4 women of color today.

I literally have not seen them this excited since Charlottesville.
10:45 PM - 14 Jul 2019

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

So, let me get this straight.

You are saying that Trump INTENTIONALLY crafted an obviously racist tweet, so that Democrats would gather in support behind the (more leftward leaning) representatives he targeted with the racism.

For the political purpose of grouping all the Democrats together to tie them to the targeted congressional representatives' more extremist viewpoints.

I see two problems, though.

First, he is singling out and personally insulting individual congressional representatives. You are assuming that this strategy does not turn off a significant portion of voters due to moral and ethical concerns. (just kidding... Republicans gave up any morals or ethics years ago)

On the other hand, he is also putting out a obviously racist insult. Wouldn't blatantly racist behavior turn any decent American against a politician who employed it?

Oh... nevermind. This is the Republican Party. Racism is a feature, not a bug. Trump fits right in.

You are right... brilliant political strategy.

#14 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-15 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

REPORTER: Does it concern you that many people saw that tweet as racist and that white nationalist groups are finding common cause with you on that point?

TRUMP: It doesn't concern me because many people agree with me.

twitter.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 02:51 PM | Reply

-First, he is singling out and personally insulting individual congressional representatives.

from districts he doesn't need support from anyway.

-Wouldn't blatantly racist behavior turn any decent American against a politician who employed it?

Donald Trump was branded a racist and a misogynist long before he was elected president. That was used as a means to paint anybody who traditionally voted GOP as a "deplorable".

Look who lives in the White House now....

so..what I'm saying is it's not that easy to "turn any decent American....."

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 02:54 PM | Reply

"*Trump takes fast food dump on Angela Merkel's head*"

The most Trump could ever possibly do is tweet about taking a fast food dump on Angela Merkel's head. And yes, he'd be obviously trolling, just like he was here. Do not feed the trolls. Pick your battles. People not learning from this mistake helped get Trump elected to office of President, and could very well help him get reelected.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 02:57 PM | Reply

"Shaun King @shaunking"

Oh, that guy. I believe him when he says he hangs out on white supremecist sites. He and people like him probably make up at least half of those sites' memberships.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 03:00 PM | Reply

#16

Which is what I've been saying, there are a lot more ------- 'Mercans out there than you or I want to believe. I think both of us in Kansas and Michigan have more than witnessed in the past few years. I'm ready to call them out even if we go down fighting. I'll move to Canada or Uruguay at this point.

#19 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-07-15 03:02 PM | Reply

Somebody quoting Shaun the fraud King to try and make a point?
Holy ---- you have to be kidding.

#20 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-15 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Second GOP lawmaker calls Trump's tweet 'racist'

thehill.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 03:02 PM | Reply

--I'll move to Canada or Uruguay at this point.

Canada has a strict, merit-based immigration system, so you should focus on Uruguay.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-15 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pro-Trump livestreamer: ‘It doesn't have to be true -- it just has to go viral'

deadstate.org

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Which is what I've been saying, there are a lot more ------- 'Mercans out there than you or I want to believe"

This is true, but there's also the Internet Effect where speech has no immediate repercussions -- there's no real-time feedback loop like in an actual conversation -- so people say stuff on line they wouldn't dare say in person, and they also say it to a zillion more people than they ever could in person.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-15 03:06 PM | Reply

"I'm ready to call them out even if we go down fighting."

Is it really worth helping Trump get elected/reelected when the methods you're using aren't even doing anything effective to keep him or what he stands for in check?

"I'll move to Canada or Uruguay at this point."

Why not Mexico?

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 03:09 PM | Reply

Trump plays identity politics then pretends he doesn't, but I bet that doesn't bother Bill iota:

The Hill @thehill

AG Barr: "My concern today is that under the banner of identity politics, some political factions are seeking to obtain power by dividing Americans, and they undermine the values that draw us together such as a shared commitment to our country's success."

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump plays identity politics then pretends he doesn't,"

It's almost as if he's trolling... spooky.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 03:11 PM | Reply

Trolling and sending a message to his racist supporters. Both. Like I said, it's a two-fer.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


@#15 ... REPORTER: Does it concern you that many people saw that tweet as racist and that white nationalist groups are finding common cause with you on that point?

TRUMP: It doesn't concern me because many people agree with me. ...

My guess is that not all of the supporters of Pres Trump are the ones who agree with Pres Trump's lack of concern.

Former Trump admin officials have left their positions in disgrace, tainted and soiled (and in even in jail) because of their work for Pres Trump.

In a similar manner, Pres Trump is continuing to drag his supporters lower and lower because he requires them to support his egregious policies and behavior.

The miasma emanating from the Oval Office has, by all appearances, engulfed the Republican Party, dragging down its leaders and members.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-15 03:17 PM | Reply

In a similar manner, Pres Trump is continuing to drag his supporters lower and lower because he requires them to support his egregious policies and behavior.
#29

It does seem like it's getting lower and lower. Garden variety dog-whistle stuff just isn't high enough proof to deliver the desired kick.

#30 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-15 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like I also said: it's the how of Trump attack that was racist:

Manu Raju @mkraju

Tim Scott, the lone black GOP senator, says that "instead of sharing how the Democratic Party's far-left, pro-socialist policies ... are wrong for the future of our nation, the President interjected with unacceptable personal attacks and racially offensive language."

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 03:23 PM | Reply

Former Trump admin officials have left their positions in disgrace, tainted and soiled (and in even in jail) because of their work for Pres Trump.

There are going to be hundreds of aides who worked in the West Wing and Executive Building next door who'll have big gaps on their resumes.

Prospective employer during job interview with former Trump WH employee:

"So, I see you have a 2 year gap. Can you explain"

"I, uh, went on a, uh, ... missionary mission to the Congo"

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-15 03:30 PM | Reply

Canada warns immigrants in U.S. about heading north of the border - www.usatoday.com

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-15 03:51 PM | Reply

--Canada warns immigrants in U.S. about heading north of the border - www.usatoday.com

I guess Chairman Bo is out of luck.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-15 04:05 PM | Reply

Look who lives in the White House now....
so..what I'm saying is it's not that easy to "turn any decent American....."

#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I am not disagreeing with you. I don't even disagree that Trump's strategy is good (though I am skeptical that he has the intelligence and composure to formulate or follow through on any strategy such as the one proposed).

I am just drawing the logical conclusions of what was claimed. And what it says about the people who support him, and the party that raised him as their leader.

Also, I don't actually have any real animus towards Trump. We have 300+ million people in this country. There are going to be -------- like Trump. Even if they are a very small percentage, there will still be A LOT of them (0.01% would still be 30,000 --------). It is not worth it to focus an of my energy on the extremist ------- tail.

What DOES bother, though, is not Trump himself but that one of our two main parties ELECTED a ------- like him as the leader of their party. And that a large percentage of Americans (though still a minority) VOTED for said ------- as President.

That says a lot about who we are as a whole, and is a lot more personally concerning to me.

Hence, why drawing conclusions like this is important. It helps to better understand who my countrymen really are (and apparently a LOT of them are racist, or at least tolerant of racism).

#35 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-07-15 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-What DOES bother, though, is not Trump himself but that one of our two main parties ELECTED a ------- like him as the leader of their party. And that a large percentage of Americans (though still a minority) VOTED for said ------- as President.

I think that's everyone's problem.....it's that so many folks voted for him even after learning so much about him and 95% of it being very negative.

I honestly don't know when it was ever easy to be a Trump supporter.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-15 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A Tough Time to Be a Trump Supporter

That's what liberals would think.

Trump supporters think opposite to the way liberals think.

#37 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-15 06:37 PM | Reply

Please stop referring to phony liberals and phony conservatives as liberals and conservatives.

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-15 06:50 PM | Reply

Rep. Will Hurd of Texas, the only black GOP House member, was one of the first to offer forceful criticism, as he has often done against the president. Hurd called Trump's tweets "racist and xenophobic" and said it made it "harder" for him to win over nontraditional GOP voters.

www.politico.com

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 06:51 PM | Reply

Rep. Michael Turner (Ohio) on Monday became the second GOP lawmaker to condemn President Trump's tweet about a group of Democratic lawmakers as "racist."

"@realDonaldTrump's tweets from this weekend were racist and he should apologize. We must work as a country to rise above hate, not enable it."

thehill.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-15 06:53 PM | Reply

Keep trying Nulli, unlike SSI collection, I have globally-desired job skills. I can find work in any country that would let me, with Canada and Australia being givens. You see, when you accomplish something professionally, ...oh hell, never mind.

#41 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-07-15 07:28 PM | Reply

The Dems were trying to distance themselves from the four "progressives," but now they are forced to embrace them. That means they are endorsing Socialism, hate of Israel and the USA! Not good for the Democrats! ~ Trump
twitter.com

I swear the guy owns Progressives and Democrats...

#42 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:44 PM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Be happy to discuss your disagreements ... :)

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:45 PM | Reply

No.

#3 | POSTED BY ZED

Well you have been so blinded by the HateTrumpBandwagon its understandable you don't remember.

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:46 PM | Reply

I don't remember when any criticism of fmr Pres Obama was "racist." ~ LampLiar

Of course you don't .....

#45 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:47 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Lindsey is channeling me, I knew what Trump was doing the second I saw his tweet, just follow ScottAdams he will teach you how to recognize it.

Its really incredible how gullible you people are.

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:48 PM | Reply

You are saying that Trump INTENTIONALLY crafted a tweet, so that Democrats would gather in support behind the (more leftward leaning) representatives he targeted with the racism.

Yes ...

#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:49 PM | Reply

Rep. Ayanna Pressley on President Trump's tweets: Do not "take the bait"
twitter.com

LOL she even told you don't "take the bait" ....

Then next four took the bait .... buncha trout.

You guys have elevated Trump to GOD status..... its so freaking funny.

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 07:59 PM | Reply

Wait .. Isn't there Democrat primary contest this cycle?

Who is running?

#49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-15 08:01 PM | Reply

My guess is that not all of the supporters of Pres Trump are the ones who agree with Pres Trump's lack of concern.
Former Trump admin officials have left their positions in disgrace, tainted and soiled (and in even in jail) because of their work for Pres Trump.
In a similar manner, Pres Trump is continuing to drag his supporters lower and lower because he requires them to support his egregious policies and behavior.
The miasma emanating from the Oval Office has, by all appearances, engulfed the Republican Party, dragging down its leaders and members.

#29 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-07-15 03:17 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

This wins #COTD. Now we will see how this plays out. Obviously, he's lit the fuse on his hateful powder keg.

#50 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-15 11:21 PM | Reply

Maybe Trump is a racist. So what, America was built by racists for white people and needs to stay that way. Moving forward we shall ignore attacks on refugees while ignoring the presence of Melania and her extended family, deny any racism exists and vote for the orange sloth again on our cherished secret ballots.

#51 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-16 09:32 AM | Reply

It's only to get worst from Trump supporters.

They will be in full meltdown mode when he loses in 2020, if he doesn't get impeached first.
...and the when he go's on trial and gets convicted of his many crimes after leaving office the feces will hit the fan in their world. It's going to be glorious to watch.

#52 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-16 02:37 PM | Reply

Worst = worse fking autocorrect!

#53 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-16 02:37 PM | Reply

It's only to get worst from Trump supporters.
They will be in full meltdown mode when he loses in 2020, if he doesn't get impeached first.
...and the when he go's on trial and gets convicted of his many crimes after leaving office the feces will hit the fan in their world. It's going to be glorious to watch.

#52 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

Don't you people ever get tired of being wrong?

#54 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-16 02:45 PM | Reply

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris

You guys give Trump WAY too much credit.

He says stupid, hateful things and his sycophants try to parse it with intent.

He just says stupid, hateful things. No reason behind it but to air his mind in public and rile up his base.

#55 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-16 03:50 PM | Reply

I agree with you, AU. But to whatever extent Trump is trolling, and we left-leaners are falling for his clever trap, I'm sorry. We must not allow the president of the United States to get away with his scandalous pronouncements. Silence is acquiescence -- never an effective response to bigotry.

#56 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-16 04:17 PM | Reply

We're at a point where I have a new appreciation for the "Silence = Death" admonition from the ACT UP! group in the 80s.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-16 04:24 PM | Reply

Not a bad model, Snoof.

There comes a time when faith in the goodness of people to eventually triumph is not enough. Sometimes it needs a nudge.

#58 | Posted by cbob at 2019-07-16 05:20 PM | Reply

- Sometimes it needs a nudge.

"Or violence. I'm not saying that I'm calling for violence. But, I hear that some people are calling for violence." - Snoofy

#59 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-16 05:29 PM | Reply

Don't you people ever get tired of being wrong?
#54 | POSTED BY comrade ruskie RAY

I'm not the one who predicted there would be NO blue wave in the 2018 midterms.
That was you and your kind. See anti-American POS!

#60 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-16 05:37 PM | Reply

Don't you people ever get tired of being wrong?
#54 | POSTED BY comrade ruskie RAY

I'm not the one who predicted there would be NO blue wave in the 2018 midterms.
That was you and your kind. See anti-American POS!

#61 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-16 05:39 PM | Reply

TRUMP: It doesn't concern me because many white supremacists agree with me.

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-17 11:37 AM | Reply

The sad part about this whole thing is it's not going to get better. It has gotten progressively worse with every single POTUS since Clinton and will continue to do so. It's easy to see the main reason is because technology reaches our lives every day, all day. And that trend isn't going to change.

#63 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-17 01:45 PM | Reply

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