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Thursday, July 18, 2019

As of July 11, obesity is considered a disability in the state of Washington as a result of a 7-2 Supreme Court ruling. This court decision means that it is protected under state anti-discrimination law. Therefore, according to the court filing, "it is illegal for employers in Washington to refuse to hire qualified potential employees because the employer perceives them to be obese."

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The cure is Golden Corral's new Treatment Centers.

Snoofy wants them to be provided with "clean plates".

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-18 07:44 PM | Reply

Sigh. This where liberal politics and I part company.

Obesity is preventable. Food addictions are mostly preventable. If there are underlying physiological causes that make people large, then obesity can't be prevented. The empirical evidence has been proven corr

Either way, you can't force NASA to send a 500lbs astronaut into space. You don't want to get body shamed, don't get fat. You can't make Omar the Tent Maker sell you his outfits at skinny people's prices. I'm glad I don't have those problems any way.

#2 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-07-18 08:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Obesity is preventable."

So is cancer.
Is cancer not a disease?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 08:08 PM | Reply

Tell that to a kid with leukemia.

#4 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-18 08:20 PM | Reply

Is cancer not a disease?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag: (x)Yes it is, Hamlet.

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2019-07-18 08:24 PM | Reply

What a bunch of male cow stool.

#6 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-18 08:43 PM | Reply

Meh, if fitness or size are not a job requirement then I don't see a problem. Other than the retarded US health insurance system tied to employment.

Employers will just get around this by adding a fitness test. They want to be sure you can run from the workplace during active shooter situations.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2019-07-18 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tell that to a kid with leukemia.
#4 | Posted by schifferbrains

Obesity, like leukemia, can be genetic.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-18 08:49 PM | Reply

Sigh. This where liberal politics and I part company.

#2 | Posted by Goose_Boils

You and me both.

This "fat is beautiful" propaganda is horsecrap. Of course a nation controlled by corporations wants you to CONSUME as much as possible.

And all the fatties want everyone else to be fat so they don't look bad in comparison.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-18 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"it is illegal for employers in Washington to refuse to hire qualified potential employees because the employer perceives them to be obese."

But not if they're ugly.
"Problem" solved.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 09:59 PM | Reply

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"And all the fatties want everyone else to be fat so they don't look bad in comparison."

Even that's not true.
Fatties don't usually look at other fatties and think, "My People!"
They look at other fatties and think, "Gross."

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-18 10:00 PM | Reply

I'm actually torn on this one. To me it all depends on how you got obese in the first place. If drug induced like with Anti Depressants and things like Prednisone then yes it should be a disability. If not is where I am torn over and I'm morbidly obese too.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-18 11:48 PM | Reply

I'm an employer who wants a healthy work place.

I want my health premiums to be reasonable. I want my workers to be safe. I want to promote wellness.

Obese workers threaten all of that.

Obese workers are more likely to be injured on the job.

www.insurancejournal.com

Obese workers are less productive and drive health insurance costs.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Either way, you can't force NASA to send a 500lbs astronaut into space.

What it boils down to is that you need accurate and specific job descriptions that make it impossible for an obese person to perform the job, even if you attempt to make "reasonable accomodations".

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-18 11:59 PM | Reply

social engineering..man it's run amok
just waddled past in a flowered 4x smock

but we're at a place that when "nature calls"
"real women" can hoist up their skirt...and show us their balls

shake your head..nothin' you can do this is where we're at
just powder her with flour boys, and go embrace the fat

#15 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-19 12:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Obesity is a disability? I guess spelling mistakes are the fault of a key board. I guess obesity is the fault of spoons. Some day personal responsibility might be in vogue again, but it is always easier to blame circumstance or some nebulous other.

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-19 08:19 AM | Reply

Where do I pick up my disability check?

#17 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-07-19 08:42 AM | Reply

I think this ruling uses a slightly different definition of disability than how we commonly understand it. We normally take it to mean that its something we have no control over. But if you look at from the perspective of its effects rather than its causes, as a condition that prevents you from doing a lot of things that an otherwise healthy person can do or that otherwise makes doing those things more difficult then yeah, it's a disability.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-07-19 08:56 AM | Reply

... it might not be a permanent disability (I don't think that question is completely germane to the question) but it's a disability in every other way. Looking at it from this perspective.

#19 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-07-19 08:58 AM | Reply

I never saw a obese person come out of a concentration camp, or a refugee camp. Not once.

#20 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-19 09:14 AM | Reply

I am a liberal and like many of us I am a Whole Foods, Trader Joes, Moms etc shopper. I like shopping at those stores becuase its a great way to avoid shopping with fat people. Seriously you will not see a double wide human on wheels blocking the aisles. The products may or may not be better but they are marketed as "health foods" etc and so the fatties avoid going there.

I think we need to stop giving obesity a pass. Okay fine... it's a health problem... brought about by substance abuse... a disability... whatevah... call it what you will.

Alcoholisim is also a disease, disability and a health problem... and we put a lot of practical restrictions on the behavior of the "disabled person"... insurance costs, various licensing restrictions... legal liabilities

I suggest giving them special permits for wide berth parking spaces at the furthest reaches of the parking lot so they can burn a few calories walking to the store to buy their jumbo bag of fat food.

#21 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-07-19 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It really comes down to poor education.

Liberals gutted all the nutrition, home economics, metal shop, autoshop and drivers ed classes during the 70's to make way for "college" prep courses since everyone was going to college.

And the results of that is we have raised some really fat and stupid generations of kids...

They went to college and they don't know what to eat, how to change oil in a car or even get a license to drive one... how to use basic hand tools to do home repairs, or even how to balance a check book...

But they still keep voting democrat...

Which fits in with their open borders policy to a T, that is... making, keeping and importing stupid people in mass.

I don't blame anyone for being fat, they just don't now how to eat because they were never taught...

Besides... it's a multi-billion dollar industry...getting fat and then loosing it...

What else can Marie Osmond do besides shill for Nutri-crap? Send her back...

#22 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-07-19 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

But they still keep voting democrat...
#22

If you think there's some correlation between obesity and voting a certain way, I have a Wal Mart to show you.

#23 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-19 10:58 AM | Reply

Some day personal responsibility might be in vogue again, but it is always easier to blame circumstance or some nebulous other.

#16 | Posted by docnjo

When the president is held responsible for his conduct maybe the rest of us will be too.
The fish rots from the head down.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 01:16 PM | Reply

But they still keep voting democrat...

#22 | Posted by Pegasus

Yeah those trump rallies are filled with fitness models aren't they? The local airports run out of seat-belt-extendors when trump comes to town.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 01:17 PM | Reply

I never saw a obese person come out of a concentration camp, or a refugee camp. Not once.

#20 | Posted by docnjo

^This is your republican party in the era of trump everybody.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 01:18 PM | Reply


@#3 ... "Obesity is preventable."

So is cancer.
Is cancer not a disease? ...

The court ruling was on disability, not disease.

I would agree that obesity is a disease (sometimes I think of it as an addiction disease), I currently do not agree that it is a disability.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19 01:18 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY PEGASUS AT 2019-07-19 10:47 AM | FLAG: PPPPPFFFFFFFFTTTTTTT

Liberals gutted all the nutrition, home economics, metal shop, autoshop and drivers ed classes during the 70's to make way for "college" prep courses since everyone was going to college.

Site your sources pig brain... the world know most fatties are republiclowns or conservatrons.

#28 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-07-19 01:23 PM | Reply

How about depression?
It qualifies under the ADA.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 01:27 PM | Reply

"Obesity is preventable."
So is cancer.
Is cancer not a disease?
#3 | Posted by snoofy

How do you prevent cancer. Please tell me ano.
Obesity is a self inflected problem.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-19 01:53 PM | Reply

"How do you prevent cancer."

Don't smoke, don't drink, don't stay out in the sun too long.
You're safest in mom's basement!

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 01:55 PM | Reply

but we're at a place that when "nature calls"
"real women" can hoist up their skirt...and show us their balls

#15 | Posted by 1947steamer

You finally posted something funny.

#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-19 01:55 PM | Reply

"Obesity is a self inflected problem."

So?
It's still a problem.
Getting PTSD from joining the military is a self-inflicted problem too.
I'm guessing you have as much sympathy for suicidal veterans as you do for fat people.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 01:56 PM | Reply

When the president is held responsible for his conduct maybe the rest of us will be too.
The fish rots from the head down.
#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Trump is responsible for every fat person in the US. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-19 01:58 PM | Reply

Trump is responsible for every fat person in the US. Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!

#34 | Posted by Sniper

Trump isn't responsible for his own actions so why should anyone else be?

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 02:05 PM | Reply

So?
It's still a problem.
Getting PTSD from joining the military is a self-inflicted problem too.
I'm guessing you have as much sympathy for suicidal veterans as you do for fat people.

#33 | Posted by snoofy

Yeah fatties are heroes like military vets! Are you serious?

PTSD from military service is the result of doing your job for your country.

Fatness from overeating is the result of making horrible choices.

Horrible analogy.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 02:07 PM | Reply

"PTSD from military service is the result of making horrible choices."

There you go, little Sniper.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 02:14 PM | Reply

"PTSD from military service is the result of making horrible choices."

There you go, little Sniper.

#37 | Posted by snoofy

Joining the military is always a horrible choice, but it's still being done to serve a function for others.

Who is a fatty serving when they're huddled over the sink with a gallon of ice cream? Just the corporations who profit from making them fat.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 02:21 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by snoofy May your character development start today. May your current cares and concerns become relatively trivial with the introduction of real problems. May circumstance make you loose your faith in everything you believe in now. May you be told that you should expect to live in pain for the balance of your life. May you loose your spouse of 25 years. After this speak up and tell me how PTSD is self inflicted

#39 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-19 02:26 PM | Reply

"After this speak up and tell me how PTSD is self inflicted"

Sure thing.
Did anyone make you sign up for the military, or did you volunteer?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 02:27 PM | Reply

-Did anyone make you sign up for the military, or did you volunteer?

are ex-military folks the only folks who suffer from PTSD?

Your petulant and childish rantings about the military aside.....we aren't going discriminate against folks who served this country. move along.

on topic....this employer (a railroad) specifically made the job applicant's denial of a job due to his BMI. He was told he needed to lose 10 lbs to qualify for this job.

Going forward, in the State of Washington, you better give the applicant another reason for not hiring him/her.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 02:37 PM | Reply

"we aren't going discriminate against folks who served this country."

But what if they're fatties now?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 03:30 PM | Reply

Honestly this is the first time I've seen the fatties use the troops as a shield for their behavior.

Republicans use "supporting the troops" to justify anything they want, so I guess the fatties might as well follow that example since it seems to work.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 03:33 PM | Reply

Obesity is merely the outward sign of sugar addiction. Most addictions are hidden from public view, but a sugar addiction can easily be spotted.

Normalizing and defending this addiction is not the way to help these people.
Nor is telling them that their addiction is okay or beautiful.
We dont do this for any other addiction besides sugar.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 03:36 PM | Reply

Fat people need to be shamed into losing weight.

But.

I'm surprised more Republicans aren't on board with this.

Red states are typically much fatter and unhealthier than blue states.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-19 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

45

employers in all states don't want their hands tied on hiring/firing. This transcends right/left politics.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 03:44 PM | Reply

-But what if they're fatties now?

we're going to discriminate the fatties.....sorry.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 03:44 PM | Reply

This transcends right/left politics.

It should. But reading through this thread shows how it is being painted as liberal politics.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-19 03:49 PM | Reply

--employers in all states don't want their hands tied on hiring/firing. This transcends right/left politics.

In 10 or so states they can't even ask about criminal records.

#49 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-19 03:49 PM | Reply

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that's crap. Our obesity problem has nothing to do with liberal politics.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 03:56 PM | Reply

that's crap. Our obesity problem has nothing to do with liberal politics.

#50 | Posted by eberly

It's tied to liberal politics because liberals tell them fat is beautiful.

It's tied to conservative politics because obesity helps enrich plutocrats in the food and healthcare industries.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 04:04 PM | Reply

Fat people need to be shamed into losing weight.
But.
I'm surprised more Republicans aren't on board with this.
Red states are typically much fatter and unhealthier than blue states.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-07-19 03:38 PM | REPLY

That's one of the DUMBEST things that I have heard here. You shame a fat person you know what they will do?? They will go home and gorge themselves on their comfort foods and that will just make them even fatter. I don't have the answer but shaming is counter productive. I speak from experience.

#52 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-19 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

. You shame a fat person you know what they will do?? They will go home and gorge themselves on their comfort foods and that will just make them even fatter. I don't have the answer but shaming is counter productive. I speak from experience.

Now apply that concept to a republican who may or may not vote for Trump and because they haven't made up their mind....they get called a racist.

Why? To shame them into not voting for Trump.

Shaming is counterproductive. You're right.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 04:32 PM | Reply

"Normalizing and defending this addiction is not the way to help these people."

Is that what calling it a disability does for you?
Hey you, completely normal person, you have a disability!

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 04:36 PM | Reply

"that's crap. Our obesity problem has nothing to do with liberal politics.
#50 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

^
The crap is that you wouldn't it know it by listening to the right-wingers here.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 04:37 PM | Reply

Pegasus blamed it on liberals.

who else?

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 04:39 PM | Reply

"I'm surprised more Republicans aren't on board with this.
Red states are typically much fatter and unhealthier than blue states.
#45 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Republicans aren't with it because it's not hateful.
This ruling doesn't hurt the people that need to get hurt, e.g. fat slobs who can't control themselves.
It's sort of funny because the folks shaming fat people sure seem like they can't control themselves and are here on the DR shaming fat people every time it comes up.

Blaming the obesity victim for eating feels right to them.
Blaming the PTSD victim for serving is deeply offensive to them.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 04:42 PM | Reply

"Normalizing and defending this addiction is not the way to help these people."

Is that what calling it a disability does for you?
Hey you, completely normal person, you have a disability!

#54 | Posted by snoofy

Yes. Calling it a disability releases the addict from responsibility. Calling it an addiction does not.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 04:42 PM | Reply

"Calling it a disability releases the addict from responsibility."

What responsibility is an addict released from, that a non-addict isn't?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 04:49 PM | Reply

I got denied disability for MS but now you can get it for being fat?

I've been fired from jobs because of MS but now you can't get fired for being fat?

Somehow I feel like I fell through the looking glass, I guess I need to drink the one that makes you large.

#60 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-07-19 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy do you not get that eating too much has one outcome... Obesity

While joining the military can lead to many outcomes, many of which are not having PTSD.

So since one is a direct correlation(obesity), and the other (PTSD) is not

Your analogy, as usual, is ---.

I have no idea why you use them to try and make your arguments, because you suck at analogies.

#61 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-07-19 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What responsibility is an addict released from, that a non-addict isn't?

#59 | Posted by snoofy

If you call their condition a "disability" then it implies it's something that just happened to them, like any other disability that results from an accident or genetic condition. It suggest that their condition is the result of bad luck. Eating too much isn't bad luck, it's bad planning, bad discipline, bad decision making.

Is being slow and stupid from smoking pot a disability?
Is being broke from gambling a disability?

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not a drunk driver! I'm a DISABLED driver!

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

62

Someone hijack your account?

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-19 05:39 PM | Reply

Someone hijack your account?

#64 | Posted by eberly

I use the same principles of logic to debunk obesity as a disability as I use to debunk trump being a trustworthy patriot, the effectiveness of trickledown ecoomics, or republicans caring about the deficit. I just follow the evidence.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 06:19 PM | Reply

So, according to the State of Washington, our president is disabled...in more ways than one.

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 06:23 PM | Reply

In 10 or so states they can't even ask about criminal records.
#49 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Not until after an interview. It's called Ban-the-Box movement and is a massive push against systemic racism.

Did you know job applicants are typically discriminated against just by the zip code they live in? Ban-the-Box can't fight that, but it can have a great impact on those who are trying to reclaim their lives from their past criminality.

Do you believe an individual should be economically punished for life because he/she holds a criminal conviction? Why not allow said individual an opportunity to verbally describe their talents, educations, and experience BEFORE talking about criminal past?

That's all the Ban-the-Box movement is looking to do. And here you are denigrating the prospect of a method that assists Americans find employment. Are you more interested in these folks continuously recidivating? You Tough on Crime folks can't figure out how this works, can you.

#67 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 06:30 PM | Reply

Is being broke from gambling a disability?

YES... it is considered a disability in some states... employers are prevented from doing credit checks to see if money was/is being spent at Vegas or Atlantic City... You cannot be fired for being a gambler...I think I saw that in Calif and Nevada.

However...

Gambling is NOT considered a disability under PRESENT Federal FMLA or ADA laws.

Alcoholism IS considered a disability under FMLA and ADA but... only if you admit your an alcoholic to HR in your company.

That's democrat lawmakers for you...

#68 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-07-19 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Eating too much isn't bad luck, it's bad planning, bad discipline, bad decision making.
Is being slow and stupid from smoking pot a disability?
Is being broke from gambling a disability?
#62 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The latter two are not typically tied to upbringing, whereas obesity is. Parenting has a massive factor on this issue, so are you suggesting fat people had a hand in deciding how they were raised?

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 06:32 PM | Reply

That's democrat lawmakers for you...
#68 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

Thank you for that summary. Makes sense.

#70 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 06:33 PM | Reply

"If you call their condition a "disability" then it implies it's something that just happened to them"

Which also applies to PTSD. It's something that just happens to some people. Sometimes, it's their own dumb fault, sometimes it's not.

Blaming people for their problems isn't an issue for me, like it is for you. I don't think it help solve anyone's problems. But it sure seems like it leads you to a place where you say "hey, there's a person who can't be helped, ---- 'em."

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 06:34 PM | Reply

"Snoofy do you not get that eating too much has one outcome... Obesity
While joining the military can lead to many outcomes, many of which are not having PTSD.
So since one is a direct correlation(obesity), and the other (PTSD) is not"

If you're comparing eating to obesity then you need to compare trauma to PTSD.
Not comparing being in the military to PTSD.
Of course there isn't a direct correlation when you do it your way, because of the way you set up your analogy.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you call their condition a "disability" then it implies it's something that just happened to them, like any other disability that results from an accident or genetic condition."

There's pretty strong evidence for both genetics and the gut microbiome when it comes to obesity.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 06:45 PM | Reply

The latter two are not typically tied to upbringing, whereas obesity is. Parenting has a massive factor on this issue, so are you suggesting fat people had a hand in deciding how they were raised?

#69 | Posted by rstybeach11

So what you inhale is your own decision but what you chew is your parents fault?

Horsecrap. There comes an age where you start feeding yourself. Even if your parents got you hooked on sugar, its your addiction to address. No one else can do it for you.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 06:46 PM | Reply

There's pretty strong evidence for both genetics and the gut microbiome when it comes to obesity.

#73 | Posted by snoofy

Human genetics have not shifted drastically in the past few decades. Human obesity has.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 06:47 PM | Reply

But it sure seems like it leads you to a place where you say "hey, there's a person who can't be helped, ---- 'em."

#71 | Posted by snoofy

No it leads me to a place where I say "Look what they did to themselves. I sure hope they quit making the same mistakes and turn their lives around because I can't do it for them."

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 06:48 PM | Reply

"Human genetics have not shifted drastically in the past few decades. Human obesity has."

That doesn't undo the links between genetics and obesity.
It's not the fault of genetics that capitalism makes more money when you eat more food.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 06:49 PM | Reply

"Look what they did to themselves. I sure hope they quit making the same mistakes and turn their lives around because I can't do it for them."

No one is asking you to do it for them, just like no one is asking you to end PTSD in people who have it.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There comes an age where you start feeding yourself. Even if your parents got you hooked on sugar, its your addiction to address. No one else can do it for you.
#74 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

...Except there are lots of programs that help people manage or even overcome addiction by providing support.

You think all fat people don't want to not be fat, apparently.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 06:52 PM | Reply

So what you inhale is your own decision but what you chew is your parents fault?

Yes, that's exactly it. Unless of course you grew up in a house full of smokers and you end up with a disease tied to second hand smoking.

Horsecrap. There comes an age where you start feeding yourself. Even if your parents got you hooked on sugar, its your addiction to address. No one else can do it for you.
#74 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Nobody is arguing whether you can or cannot get yourself out of it. It starts somewhere and with obesity, it most often starts with parents' decisions imposed upon their children. And even more so, it is significantly related to the family's economic viability. The poorer you are, the more likely you become accustomed to a poor diet. If you're STILL poor after you leave the familial home, odds are you'll keep on with what is normal despite the health risk and consequences. That doesn't even take into account the education necessary to identify yourself as obese or even know how to combat it.

You're making a broad assumption that everyone suffering from obesity had the same factors affecting them growing up. Quite foolish of you.

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 06:55 PM | Reply

You think all fat people don't want to not be fat, apparently.

#79 | Posted by snoofy

I think fat people are pushing the "fat is beautiful" or "fat is a disability" propaganda instead of addressing their addictions.

PTSD is something that happened to someone because of external events. No external event makes adults buy and consume too much sugar.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:10 PM | Reply

You're making a broad assumption that everyone suffering from obesity had the same factors affecting them growing up. Quite foolish of you.

#80 | Posted by rstybeach11

Unless you are some sort of man-child, you're in charge of your own diet by your 20s. At some point it's not mommy's fault any more. It's not possible to grow up thinking that cake is a vegetable. Every adult knows its bad for them. Then they CHOOSE to consume it or not.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:12 PM | Reply

Unless you are some sort of man-child, you're in charge of your own diet by your 20s.

So you're saying this disability designation CAN be applied to any adults younger than 20?

#83 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 07:13 PM | Reply

Then they CHOOSE to consume it or not.
#82 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

And you still ignore the economic aspects tied to this issue?

Why is that?

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 07:14 PM | Reply

It's not the fault of genetics that capitalism makes more money when you eat more food.

#77 | Posted by snoofy

Capitalism tries to sell me a lot of things that are bad for me. I make the adult CHOICE to not buy those things. If I buy them and I am harmed, I'm not going to act like an innocent bystander in a drive by shooting.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:15 PM | Reply

No external event makes adults buy and consume too much sugar.
#81 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Unless you are some sort of man-child, you're in charge of your own diet by your 20s.
#82 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-07-19 07:12 PM

Are you not aware that 18 and 19 year-olds are considered adults?

#86 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 07:15 PM | Reply

And you still ignore the economic aspects tied to this issue?

Why is that?

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11

How poor do you think someone would need to be to reach adulthood and not know that cake is not a vegetable?

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:15 PM | Reply

Are you not aware that 18 and 19 year-olds are considered adults?

#86 | Posted by rstybeach11

Lord are we going to derail this debate into a semantics argument about "adulthood?"

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:16 PM | Reply

How poor do you think someone would need to be to reach adulthood and not know that cake is not a vegetable?
#87 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I'm not sure, especially as it relates to the cost of cake versus vegetables. But:

Obesity is a civilization disease and the proportion of people suffering from it continues to grow, especially in the developed countries. Number of obese people in Europe has increased threefold over the last 20 years. The paradox of obesity and poverty relationship is observed especially in the developed and developing countries. In developing countries, along with economic development and income growth, the number of people with overweight and obesity is increasing. This paradox has a relationship with both the easy availability and low cost of highly processed foods containing 'empty calories' and no nutritional value. To date, this paradox has been described in the United States and the United Kingdom, although many European countries are also experiencing high percentages of obese people. Among the reasons for the growing obesity in the population of poor people are: higher unemployment, lower education level, and irregular meals. Another cause of obesity is low physical activity, which among the poor is associated with a lack of money for sports equipment. Due to the large rate of deaths caused by diseases directly linked to obesity, the governments of many countries implement prevention programmes of overweight and obesity. These programmes are based primarily on educating the public about a healthy lifestyle based on healthy eating, daily physical activity and avoiding alcohol and cigarettes.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

#89 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 07:19 PM | Reply

Lord are we going to derail this debate into a semantics argument about "adulthood?"
#88 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Your language brought it about, so are we?

#90 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-19 07:19 PM | Reply

How poor do you think someone would need to be to reach adulthood and not know that cake is not a vegetable?

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-07-19 07:15 PM | REPLY

Never had carrot cake nor zookeenee cake I take it.

#91 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-19 07:23 PM | Reply

Your language brought it about, so are we?

#90 | Posted by rstybeach11

Yeah I MADE you pursue a classic drudgeretort semantics derailing. We really need to pause the debate until we establish at what age a person is an adult.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:24 PM | Reply

#89 | Posted by rstybeach11

The fact the more and more people are obese does not make it a disability.
Now that weed is legal, more and more people are stoned all the time. Should I be annoyed at the stoned cashier who can't get my order right, or should I say "Oh I'm sorry for your disability. How can I help you overcome it?"

#93 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:28 PM | Reply

Ohh, I prefer zucchini bread with nuts, which isn't a cake, because it's BREAD!

#94 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-19 07:29 PM | Reply

- Are you not aware that 18 and 19 year-olds are considered adults?

So are 12-15 year olds if the prosecutor wants it moved into adult court.

#95 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-19 07:35 PM | Reply

Corporate America has the answer...

Let democrats pay for it...

That is...

Medicare covers some bariatric surgical procedures, like gastric bypass surgery and laparoscopic banding surgery, when you meet certain conditions related to morbid obesity.

Contact your health professional to let them show you how to bilk the federal government out of money to pay for it.

#96 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-07-19 07:37 PM | Reply

#96 | Posted by Pegasus

Too bad your party just blew up the deficit to give tax cuts to billionaires.

Henceforth all your worries about "how will we pay for it" have zero credibility.

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 07:43 PM | Reply

Henceforth all your worries about "how will we pay for it" have zero credibility.

Been there, done that and don't care... got the DR "I'm not a Bot" T shirt...

As long as everything I post is accurate and true... let the cow chips fall where they may...

#98 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-07-19 08:07 PM | Reply

"I think fat people are pushing the "fat is beautiful" or "fat is a disability" propaganda instead of addressing their addictions."

Can fat people be beautiful, or is that simply not possible?
Can fat people just be fat, and not be addicts, or is that simply not possible?

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 08:52 PM | Reply

"I'm not going to act like an innocent bystander in a drive by shooting.
#85 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Is that how disability laws treat the disabled, in your thinking?

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 08:54 PM | Reply

Is that how disability laws treat the disabled, in your thinking?

#100 | Posted by snoofy

Those are your words and not my position.

My position is something that damage you do to yourself, and could reverse if you wanted, is not a disability.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 08:56 PM | Reply

Can fat people just be fat, and not be addicts, or is that simply not possible?

#99 | Posted by snoofy

Everyone's threshold for addiction is different, but if you're eating enough sugar to become obese, you're probably well into what most would consider to be addict behavior.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 08:58 PM | Reply

Considering your cells require sugar to function, what's the line between a sugar eater and a sugar addict.

Do our moms make us addicts when they breastfeed us all that lactose?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 09:08 PM | Reply

"Capitalism tries to sell me a lot of things that are bad for me. I make the adult CHOICE to not buy those things."

What changes about addiction, when it's a choice, compared to when it's not a choice?

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 09:09 PM | Reply

Considering your cells require sugar to function, what's the line between a sugar eater and a sugar addict.

Do our moms make us addicts when they breastfeed us all that lactose?

#103 | Posted by snoofy

If you're looking to lose weight, you should start by learning the difference between natural sugar and added sugar, and how they are metabolized.

Or you could just use common sense about junk food.

Sugar in an apple = good.
Sugar in a twinkie = bad.

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 09:16 PM | Reply

What changes about addiction, when it's a choice, compared to when it's not a choice?

#104 | Posted by snoofy

It's always a choice. People just dont want to make hard choices.

#106 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-19 09:17 PM | Reply

"If you're looking to lose weight"

What I'm trying to understand your concept of sugar as an addiction.
Is there like... science you can point me to?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 09:18 PM | Reply

"People just dont want to make hard choices."

So? A person in a wheelchair doesn't want to make the hard choice to crawl up the steps. Are we enabling them with all these ramps?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 09:23 PM | Reply

What I'm trying to understand your concept of sugar as an addiction.
Is there like... science you can point me to?
#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The fructose in sugar has the same reaction in the liver as alcohol.

See "Suicide by Sugar" by Nancy Appleton.

#109 | Posted by Ray at 2019-07-19 09:25 PM | Reply

"The fructose in sugar has the same reaction in the liver as alcohol."

Um, no.
You should know better than this, a man of your years.

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 11:44 PM | Reply

The American lifestyle, built around the automobile, contributes as much to obesity as its perfectly legal Corporate addictive food science. Everywhere else people walk more regularly. Some genetic lines are are more susceptible to these unique conditions of excess and deprivation.

#111 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-20 08:33 AM | Reply

#72 Snoofy...

The way I set up my analogy??? YOU set it up. You're the one that initially compared eating oneself to obesity with JOINING the military. That was you, and I called you on your ----- analogy.

And what dumbass newsworthied your case of early onset dementia?

#112 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-07-20 08:48 AM | Reply

all I know for sure is that I smoked cigarettes for close to 50 years...and quit
i quit cocaine
I am absolutely unequivocally addicted to sugar...i love sweets. i have dessert after breakfast
i've tried to just cut back and even that hasn't worked

#113 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-20 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A fat person is that way because they choose to be.

There is literally nothing more easily controlled than obesity...for those who choose to do so.

#114 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-20 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is there like... science you can point me to?

#107 | Posted by snoofy

www.webmd.com

I'm not trying to come off as heartless to overweight people. And calling them fatties is certainly immature. But that is my own reaction to fat people trying to normalize their condition (which makes it more likely that more people will suffer from it) and scolding people who point out that obesity is bad.

The challenge with sugar addiction is that sugar is so socially acceptable. Birthday parties, commercials, aisle after aisle in the supermarket all offer you piles of sugar without any warning that it's an addictive drug. It's also seen as a happy thing - the ice cream man makes everyone happy as a kid. Just like the coke dealer makes people happy as adults.

And we're given sugar as a reward when we're young. If we're good we get sugar. So we grow up, we think, well I'm a good person, therefore I deserve the reward of sugar. And since there is no authority figure to stop us anymore, we "reward" ourselves into obesity.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-20 03:01 PM | Reply

Honestly it sounds like you're projecting more than anything else.
I don't even like sweets.
I have a sugary soft drink about once a month.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 03:03 PM | Reply

"There is literally nothing more easily controlled than obesity"
--Joseph Stalin

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 03:03 PM | Reply

So? A person in a wheelchair doesn't want to make the hard choice to crawl up the steps. Are we enabling them with all these ramps?

#108 | Posted by snoofy

If getting rid of ramps was going to make the wheelchair people realize they can and should walk on their own, then yes.

#118 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-20 03:04 PM | Reply

#118
So you're saying if we fire fat people, it will make them lose weight, and that's for their own good, to get fired for being fat.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 03:06 PM | Reply

I agree with SpeakSoftly for the most part, except for the focus on sugar.

You can totally pork out on pizza and wings where I live.

Buffet? Watch your fingers! The heavy hitters are there in numbers...

Cars culture is a big part of this. Walking a few miles a in the normal course of your day makes a big difference. The fact that Americans won't get out of their car to get their fried food doesn't help.

#120 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-07-20 03:16 PM | Reply

Watch "My 600 lb Life". 99% of the time there's a story about childhood trauma that caused them to turn to food.

#121 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-07-20 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Watch "My 600 lb Life". 99% of the time there's a story about childhood trauma that caused them to turn to food.

POSTED BY PIRATE AT 2019-07-20 04:46 PM | REPLY

SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

#122 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-20 05:13 PM | Reply

Honestly it sounds like you're projecting more than anything else.
I don't even like sweets.
I have a sugary soft drink about once a month.

#116 | Posted by snoofy

People aren't overweight unless they are consuming too many calories.

You could be getting too much sugar from alcohol, breads, processed grain, even fruit smoothies cause blood sugar spike that lead to diabetes.

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-20 05:43 PM | Reply

"People aren't overweight unless they are consuming too many calories. "

More like, burning too few calories.
The lack of activity is why they are consuming too many calories.
Their appetite is probably not all that inappropriate for someone who walks to work, or doesn't work sitting at a desk, but we have cars and desk jobs.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 05:45 PM | Reply

Watch "My 600 lb Life". 99% of the time there's a story about childhood trauma that caused them to turn to food.
#121 | POSTED BY PIRATE

For sure.
That's what needs to be addressed. The self-destructive behavior is a symptom, as much as it is a cause. So actually, both need to be addressed.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 05:47 PM | Reply

More like, burning too few calories.
The lack of activity is why they are consuming too many calories.
Their appetite is probably not all that inappropriate for someone who walks to work, or doesn't work sitting at a desk, but we have cars and desk jobs.

#124 | Posted by snoofy

If you had to pick only one way to get in shape, changing your diet is MORE effective than working out.

You can work out all day long, but if you eat too much crap, you wont lose weight.

On the contrary if you eat right and NEVER work out, you can still lose weight.

Obviously doing both is best, but diet is more critical than exercise.

#126 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-20 06:06 PM | Reply

#126, yes. You can't outrun the fork.

#127 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-07-20 06:53 PM | Reply

"If you had to pick only one way to get in shape, changing your diet is MORE effective than working out."

To not be fat, I would agree.
To get in shape to me means something more.

Echoing the sentiment I read elsewhere, the only reason I'd even care about "obesity is an addiction" is if treating it like an addiction can succeed. If that works, fine, treat it like an addition. The results are what matters, not how we choose to describe the problem. Unfortunately there is no one size fits all (oops!) cure for other types of addiction.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 07:36 PM | Reply

"You can't outrun the fork.
#127 | POSTED BY PIRATE "

Tell that to the dish and the spoon.

Oh no, does the cow having the athletic prowess to successfully jump over the moon give fatties a positive self-image? Why must we continue enabling them!!!

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 07:38 PM | Reply

#126, yes. You can't outrun the fork.

POSTED BY PIRATE AT 2019-07-20 06:53 PM | REPLY

Forks are lightning fast. Spoons a little slower. Sporks on the other hand are flimsy and fall apart with the first lift off. I recommend Knorks myself.

#130 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-20 08:25 PM | Reply

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