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Friday, July 19, 2019

President Trump lashed out at New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman in a series of Friday tweets, calling him "a weak and pathetic sort of guy" in response to a column titled "Trump's Going to Get Re-elected, Isn't He?"

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I happen to agree with Mr Friedman so far as his comment that Pres Trump will get re-elected, though i don't agree on all of his reasons.

I put the likelihood of Pres Trump getting re-elected at 60 to 70%.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I put the likelihood of Pres Trump getting re-elected at 60 to 70%.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19

I'm not that pessimistic.

But Trump is the encumbent, he has lots of cash, he has a rabid base of racist zealots, and he's absolutely willing to lie and cheat.

So, yes. Let's be afraid.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-19 12:19 PM | Reply


So far, the polling has been mostly of a "number of votes" nature, ignoring the Republican-favoring Electoral College. That line of analysis is what tripped up a lot of the "pundits" during the 2016 election.

We won't get any meaningful status of the ranking of the candidates until two things happen:

1) the Democrats select their candidate next year

2) the polling becomes dense enough that possible Electoral College outcomes become available.

Until then, there's going to be a lot of talk, and not too much gravitas regarding the outcome.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ignoring the Republican-favoring Electoral College.

It's funny how this wasn't part of the Narrative when Obama was crushing in the EC in 2008 and 2012.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-19 01:12 PM | Reply

It has always been part of the narrative, by design, since 1789.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 01:16 PM | Reply


@#4 ... It's funny how this wasn't part of the Narrative when Obama was crushing in the EC in 2008 and 2012. ...

Because fmr Pres Obama didn't have to rely on that aspect of the Electoral College. It happened by chance for Pres Trump (some say that Russia acted on the polling data the Trump campaign gave them, and were active in the states that mattered).

Fmr Pres Obama easily won both times with a majority (not just a plurality, but a majority) of the popular votes.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#5

Pretty prescient of the Founding Fathers, since the Republican Party wasn't formed until 1854.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Because fmr Pres Obama didn't have to rely on that aspect of the Electoral College.

That's funny, did they just rely on the National Popular Vote in those elections?

All snark aside, it is only an issue because Hillary ignored the EC during her disastrous campaign, aborting the Coronation. If she had just squeeked out a EC victory, this wouldn't be an issue for the Left.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-19 01:40 PM | Reply


@#8 ... her disastrous campaign ...

I'm the first to admit that fmr Sec of State Clinton's campaign was less than good. Indeed, I was saying so during the campaign.

fwiw, I think Pres trump ignored the EC also, but got lucky (possibly with some outside help).


... That's funny, did they just rely on the National Popular Vote in those elections? ...

No.

The public vote was such that the bias of the Electoral College was overcome.

Here's another view...

How Trump could lose by 5 million votes and still win in 2020
www.nbcnews.com

...In the wake of President Donald Trump's tweets suggesting several nonwhite progressive congresswomen "go back" to their countries -- three of them were born in the U.S. -- it's tempting for Democrats to believe the comments will backfire with an increasingly diverse electorate and seriously damage his re-election prospects.

But the cold reality for Democrats? The bulk of the nation's demographic transformation is taking place in states that matter the least in deciding the Electoral College.

Democrats' worst nightmare came true in November 2016 when Hillary Clinton captured 2.9 million more votes than Donald Trump but he still comfortably prevailed in the Electoral College, 306 to 232.

As much as they would like to purge that outcome from memory, Democrats would be unwise to write it off as a fluke: In 2020, it's possible Trump could win 5 million fewer votes than his opponent -- and still win a second term....


Democrats' worst nightmare came true in November 2016 when Hillary Clinton captured 2.9 million more votes than Donald Trump but he still comfortably prevailed in the Electoral College, 306 to 232. As much as they would like to purge that outcome from memory, Democrats would be unwise to write it off as a fluke: In 2020, it's possible Trump could win 5 million fewer votes than his opponent -- and still win a second term....

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19 02:06 PM | Reply


@#9

That last [duplicate] paragraph is a cut and paste error. oops. :)

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-19 02:07 PM | Reply

If she had just squeeked out a EC victory, this wouldn't be an issue for the Left.

Eh Gore was already robbed and there's multiple lines of evidence for less support of GOP than the Dems despite their holdings in legislatures, Congress and the WH.

It may have made some finally say "enough with the bullschitt " but people have been commenting on the discordance of our electoral results with vote totals and polling data for some time now.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-19 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If she had just squeeked out a EC victory, this wouldn't be an issue for the Left."

^
Explains why this isn't an issue for the right.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-19 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

but people have been commenting on the discordance of our electoral results with vote totals and polling data for some time now.

#11 | POSTED BY JPW

Yeah, since Gore and Cankles. which has hysterical dems ready to shred the EC, Supreme Court and Constitution.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-19 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How does every Trump tweet end up in a JPW/Snoofy/Zed whine-fest? Feel free to add your names, Clowncar and 1857Clevelandsteamer.

#14 | Posted by Spork at 2019-07-19 07:20 PM | Reply

How does every Trump tweet end up in a JPW/Snoofy/Zed whine-fest? Feel free to add your names, Clowncar and 1857Clevelandsteamer.

#14 | POSTED BY comrade SPORKgoat

This is real rich coming from one of the biggest alt-right snowflakes on this site.
You may want to purchase a mirror son.

#15 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-19 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- How does every Trump tweet end up in a JPW/Snoofy/Zed whine-fest?

It's like casting a Rebel Bass-Buster in a shady spot by the log.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-19 07:32 PM | Reply

Freidman is a pro-globalization neo-liberal economics advocate, rarely correct here this point is absolutely right," When the wealth of the top 1 percent equals that of the bottom 90 percent, we do have to redivide the pie. I favor raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans to subsidize universal pre-K education and to reduce the burden of student loans. Let's give kids a head start and college grads a fresh start."

America's candidate: The orange sloth bone spur chickenhawk specializes in name calling and knows little else. Americans are so pathetic Trump foaming of the mouth with "a weak and pathetic sort of guy" has actually worked. One reason its worked is his opponents are often stunned into silence after his unconventional irrelevant rants. Trump breaks ordinary rules of civility most people observe in the workplace and on the campaign trail.

Democratic candidates need to stop pointing fingers and get on with proposing effective plans. Based on their track record Sanders and Warren have done this can be trusted, Biden and Harris cannot.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-19 09:56 PM | Reply

I'd just like to reiterate...trump WILL NOT debate the dem nominee...he'll claim fake news and chickens hit out. watch and see

#18 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-19 10:24 PM | Reply

How does every Trump tweet end up in a JPW/Snoofy/Zed whine-fest?

It's a blog ------. People come here to comment and contribute.

Well, in your case comment.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-20 01:06 AM | Reply

"So far, the polling has been mostly of a "number of votes" nature, ignoring the Republican-favoring Electoral College. That line of analysis is what tripped up a lot of the "pundits" during the 2016 election."

No, that is patently false. ̀The most linked to trackers are like 537.org and use state composites rather than national polls. So, no - that is not what went wrong. What went wrong is the polls were inherently biased coupled with Trump voters either choosing not to participate or lying to the pollsters but it had nothing to do with electoral college vs. national vote errors.

"We won't get any meaningful status of the ranking of the candidates until two things happen:
1) the Democrats select their candidate next year"

When the Democrats select their actual candidate, their head to head number vs. Trump will GO DOWN, not up. The more voters can put a face and policies to their 'anyone but Trump' and we will see Dem enthusiasm evaporate. So, the Dem high point in polling is now.

#20 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-07-20 05:58 AM | Reply

Interesting opinion in the last paragraph of #20.

Trump voters just don't have an issue with his behavior, actions, degradation of American values. Sad really.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-20 06:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

in 2020 Trump could lose the popular vote by millions, still be re-elected, claim the election was stolen from him and his mouth-breathing followers would agree. Somehow...

#22 | Posted by catdog at 2019-07-20 09:10 AM | Reply

"Trump voters just don't have an issue with his behavior, actions, degradation of American values. Sad really.
#21 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER"

All that matters is the policies. I will support him so long as his policies are the best being offered by the available candidates. As of right now, it is not even close.

#23 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-07-20 09:31 AM | Reply

#23 funny how "it's all about the policies" is only true when their ------- schittheap is in office.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-20 01:31 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY JPW

No matter how you try to polish the turd, 100% of your party is for open borders. I predict this will burn them badly in the election as most thinking people can see the disastrous effects of open borders.

#25 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-07-20 01:57 PM | Reply

"No matter how you try to polish the turd, 100% of your party is for open borders"

Only 100%?
Seems low.
What about all the illegal immigrants who are voting, can't we get that up to 110%?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-20 01:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

This election will be won by Trump because of the black vote - in large part driven by Democrat policies like open borders. Turn out will be historically low and the % that votes Trump will be historically high. It will be funny watching the Dems call all those blacks racist KKK types.

#27 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-07-20 09:01 PM | Reply

"I think Pres trump ignored the EC also, but got lucky (possibly with some outside help)."

Does this mean that the rushins *Gasp! Have control of the EC??

#28 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-07-21 08:26 AM | Reply

There is no reason we cannot have open borders as long as we don't have open employment, since there are no longer enough good paying jobs to go around. This is primarily due to the sky high cost of land and housing, especially in hot job markets.

Direct legislation restricting immigration have never worked. Immigration control would be most cost efficient and effective if work eligibility laws were vigorously enforced against employers. Heavy fines could easily more than pay for enforcement.

The permanent term solution is to stop attacking other countries, directly or by proxy. But no one in our sick political system would dare say that.

#29 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-21 05:40 PM | Reply

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