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Monday, July 22, 2019

You often hear that in these polarized times, Republicans and Democrats are deadlocked on almost everything. But the real scandal is what both sides agree on. The best example of this might be the defense budget

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Here's what President Eisenhower said BEFORE he famously warned America about the dangers of the Military-Industrial-Complex in his farewell address ...

Chance For Peace speech April 16, 1953

en.wikipedia.org

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.

It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people ...

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense.

Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.


Why can't America learn from our greatest heroes?

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-21 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

From the WaPo link ...

Dwight D. Eisenhower was the kind of Republican who had a pragmatic skepticism about government.

He was the kind of seasoned general who understood that peace came from a combination of military strength and diplomatic engagement.

That was why in his presidential farewell address he spoke about the dangers of the "military-industrial complex."

Nearly 60 years later, it looks like one of the most prophetic warnings any president has ever made.


We can't even heed the warnings from one of America's most important general and president -- no wonder America is in decline.

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-21 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Per the WaPo link ...

President Trump says he is a savvy businessman.

Yet his attitude toward the Pentagon is that of an indulgent parent. "We love and need our Military and gave them everything -- and more," he tweeted last year.

Far from bringing rationality to defense spending, he has simply opened the piggy bank while trying to slash spending on almost every other government agency. The Pentagon is the most fiscally irresponsible government agency, but the Republicans' response has been to simply give it more.

The much deeper danger, however, is spotlighted by Jessica Tuchman Mathews in a superb essay in the New York Review of Books. Mathews points out that we tend to think about the defense budget as a percentage of the country's gross domestic product, which is fundamentally erroneous.

The defense budget should be related to the threats the country faces, not the size of its economy. If a country's GDP grows by 30 percent, she writes, it "has no reason to spend 30 percent more on its military.

To the contrary, unless threats worsen, you would expect that, over time, defense spending as a percentage of a growing economy should decline."


American leadership has gone from the Olympic stature of Dwight D. Eisenhower ... to the porn-star-banging, bankrupt, Donald freaking Trump.

A damn shame.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-21 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie is the only candidate telling the truth about the military and how the US abuses its power globally.

Meanwhile, Corky parrots the status quo, calling comments like mine, "isolationist".

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-21 12:40 PM | Reply

Bernie is the only candidate telling the truth about the military and how the US abuses its power globally.

Meanwhile, Corky parrots the status quo, calling comments like mine, "isolationist".

#4 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

I'm all for being the leader of the free world, but with our diplomats and State Department combined with a cooperative and collaborative relationship with our allies -- and not with our military, especially in the Greater Middle East.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-21 01:09 PM | Reply

- I'm all for being the leader of the free world

The problem is that the term leader of the free world has become synonymous with military might, threats, and oppression.

I'm more interested in leading by example in education, equality, freedom, innovation as opposed to dick-wagging hegemony and dominance.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-21 02:06 PM | Reply

The problem is that the term leader of the free world has become synonymous with military might, threats, and oppression.

I'm more interested in leading by example in education, equality, freedom, innovation as opposed to dick-wagging hegemony and dominance.

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

American can be a leader both at home and abroad -- leading overseas doesn't have to mean invading countries or dropping bombs.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-21 02:43 PM | Reply

Audit the Pentagon spending.

They are absolutely lying about what they are doing, going so far as to murder the very auditors they trained. Cannibals.

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-21 05:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Eisenhower was the last great republican president.

The rest have been flaming turds that have gotten progressively worse.

#9 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-22 03:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Eisenhower was the last great republican president.

The rest have been flaming turds that have gotten progressively worse.

#9 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

I couldn't of said it better myself ~

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-22 07:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Why can't America learn from our greatest heroes?

#1 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-07-21 10:53 AM | REPLY

This pesky thing.

Geopolitics is determined by capability. Capability is determined by military spending.

This paradigm is not going away and will be in place no matter what party you vote for.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-22 08:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Geopolitics is determined by capability. Capability is determined by military spending.

This paradigm is not going away and will be in place no matter what party you vote for.

#11 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

You're missing Eisenhower's point completely.

We DON'T HAVE TO keep spending money on tanks, fighter jets, aircraft carriers, bombs and bullets ... yet we still do in 2019, even when the armed services continues telling Congress that they don't need anymore of that stuff -- this is no secret and it's well chronicled.

Ike had vision, but we as country are ALWAYS as blind as a bat.

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-22 08:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... and the money spent on unnecessary military hardware takes away from spending money on hospitals, schools, roads and bridges, etc.

This, is, not, hard -- yet for America it's impossible to see the disconnect.

#13 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-22 08:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The wasteful spending of tax money on this bloated defense budget is why every American cannot have health care.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-07-22 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Audit the Pentagon spending.

www.defensenews.com

"The effort overall is considered a "failed" audit in the strict term, as only 5 of the 21 individual audits checked received a fully passing grade, with two more receiving an ok grade. But department officials were quick to note that was no expectation that the audit would be clean, given the size and scope of the project."

#15 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-07-22 11:46 AM | Reply

woot, Woot, WOOT !!!

Front page on the MIGHTY Drudge Retort!

Awesome ~

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-22 12:25 PM | Reply

and I'd imagine that the MIC would show politicians that they become the only answer more so each day.

ever increasing populations of displaced peoples

sovereign nations with exploding populations and fewer resources available..%tage wise and real time

to advance/protect our own interests

they're not entirely wrong and they are willing to make massive contributions to prove their sincerity

#17 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-22 12:40 PM | Reply

The power to negotiate is directly proportional to your military strength. I dont know what world you live in Pinch, but those who cannot defend themselves rarely have a place at the table.

Ask Britain how it's working out with their small navy and the Iranians taking their oil ships.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-22 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

woot, Woot, WOOT !!!
Front page on the MIGHTY Drudge Retort!
Awesome ~
#16 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Celebrating his participation trophy.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-22 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The power to negotiate is directly proportional to your military strength.

In which case Trump should be, as he would put it, "winning".

And yet all he's doing is getting played like a little bitch.

BTW way to actively cheer our demise. We're spending ourselves to death and the DoD is top 3 for that spending.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-22 02:35 PM | Reply

Celebrating his participation trophy.

#19 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

The Great Hack has chimed in ...

At least I'm not a right-wing hack, hack.

You USED to argue against the MIC and for domestic spending ... but now you're just a right-wing hack, hack.

#21 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-22 02:45 PM | Reply

You're missing Eisenhower's point completely.

#12 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-07-22 08:44 AM | REPLY

Ironically I agree with Ike. The decision makers think he's full of ----. You keep voting for the latter.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-22 05:05 PM | Reply

Even Carter's military spending was oriented completely around a US military capability driven hegemony.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-22 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, well, we voted for Atlas Shrugged.

Stay in school, kids!
Think about learning Chinese, you'll be glad you did!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-22 05:57 PM | Reply

This ongoing crime really has two fronts the application of overwhelming military force and economic warfare based on dollar hegemony.

The United States is the only nation that can run sustained balance-of-payments deficits without having to sell off its assets or raise interest rates to borrow foreign money. Russia, China and others, that U.S. strategists deem to be rivals, want to restore gold to settle payment imbalances.

The U.S. response is to impose regime change on countries that prefer gold or other foreign currencies to dollars for their exchange reserves. Because other economies are forced to invest their dollar inflows in U.S. Treasury bonds, the U.S. balance-of-payments deficit finances its domestic budget deficit. That deficit is equal to the cost of US wars.

The United States has been getting a free ride for its military budget, but now Trump is forcing other countries to create an alternative to the Dollar Standard, since they now realize will never be repaid.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-22 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

You're right, Bayviking, but Snoofy doesn't want to eliminate evil.

He just wants us to vote for a little less of it.

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 06:24 PM | Reply

"Snoofy doesn't want to eliminate evil."

^
Such relentless nonsense.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-22 06:26 PM | Reply

It's like saying advising fat people to set reasonable goals towards a healthy weight isn't a path towards ultimately achieve a healthy weight.

They're still fat after the first month, which is less evil than being the same weight at the first month, so therefore my idea is evil, through and through.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-22 06:33 PM | Reply

Contrary to the BS that spews out of his orifices, the orange sloth's economic policies have not restored American manufacturing. So he has turned to arbitrary tariffs without regard for international law, imposed trade sanctions and diplomatic meddling to disrupt regimes that pursue policies that U.S. diplomats do not like.

#29 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-22 06:45 PM | Reply

Ironically I agree with Ike. The decision makers think he's full of ----. You keep voting for the latter.

#22 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I voted for Bernie -- you can click on the you-tube video at the top of this thread and listen to Bernie advocate for working families on the floor of the Senate while speaking out against the gluttonous and bloated Defense Budget -- Bernie even quote's Eisenhower.

Dwight D. Eisenhower -- what a socialist Ike was!

#30 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-22 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie didn't run in the general. Did you go green or Hillary? I'd bet Hillary but I've been surprised lately.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-23 09:51 AM | Reply

or did you just straight up write in Bernie? That'd be hilarious.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-23 09:51 AM | Reply

Delightfully hilarious.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-23 09:52 AM | Reply

--you can click on the you-tube video

Or not. We know what Sanders advocates. You're not breaking any news here.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-23 10:05 AM | Reply

We do spend too much on defense, but we also spend too much on everything else, and the slice of pie eaten by nondiscretionary spending gets bigger (percentage-wise) every year. It needs to be noted where the federal budget is spent.

Social Security - 24%
Medicare/Medicaid - 23%
Welfare/Unemployment - 15%

DOD - 15%
All other discretionary spending - 16%

Interest - 8%

#35 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-23 10:51 AM | Reply

- but we also spend too much on everything else

As the latest budget "compromise" AKA disaster proves. Getting the political class to reduce spending on anything is hopeless.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-23 10:58 AM | Reply

"Social Security - 24%"

Why are you ignoring the money that comes in every year?

The annual "cost" of SS is outlays minus receipts, not outlays alone.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-23 11:02 AM | Reply

"Getting the political class to reduce spending on anything is hopeless."

While getting Republicans to cut revenues is EASY.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-23 11:03 AM | Reply

Eisenhower was half right.

George Washington said have trade allies, not military allies. Stay out of other countries military conflicts.

We should be neutral.

Close worldwide bases.

#39 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-07-23 11:13 AM | Reply

Why are you ignoring the money that comes in every year? The annual "cost" of SS is outlays minus receipts, not outlays alone

For the same reason I ignored all other tax receipts. My statistics were limited to spending.

#40 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-23 11:17 AM | Reply

We do spend too much on defense, but we also spend too much on everything else

The difference, of course, being that "everything else" (i.e. infrastructure, education, healthcare, environment) tangibly benefits American citizens beyond the military-industrial complex, and istherefore more worth doing.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-23 11:17 AM | Reply

"For the same reason I ignored all other tax receipts. My statistics were limited to spending."

Then you're not giving the full picture.

If we ended the expenditures, we'd also end the tax receipts coming in...you get that, right?

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-23 11:21 AM | Reply

#42 This was a thread about spending. I'm not writing the 2020 budget, I'm saying we:

a) spend too much, period
b) spend most on non-discretionary entitlement programs
c) that non-discretionary spending is eating a bigger slice of pie each year

The budget discussion we should all be having is what maximum percentage of the federal budget should non-discretionary spending be allowed to consume before we are in a crisis.

#43 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-23 12:31 PM | Reply

#43 Wants to discuss "spending" without discussing "revenue." Classic Republican.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-23 12:40 PM | Reply

The road to empire is a bloody stupid waste. If we stopped it our standard of living would skyrocket.

#45 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-23 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem is that the term leader of the free world has become synonymous with military might, threats, and oppression.
I'm more interested in leading by example in education, equality, freedom, innovation as opposed to dick-wagging hegemony and dominance.

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Obama's wasn't. It was fairly coalition based and had a strong economic focus.

And yet you still hate him... Maybe if he were a fat, orange, hooker banging, liar you'd approve?

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-23 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And yet you still hate him... Maybe if he were a fat, orange, hooker banging, liar you'd approve?
#46 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Your straw man is begging the question, "Why did you create me?"

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 03:17 PM | Reply

Obama's wasn't. It was fairly coalition based and had a strong economic focus.

#46 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2019-07-23 02:19 PM | FLAG:

Not his spending. Micro nukes, B-21, reversed course on GMD development and employment, vastly expanded stealth drone programs including an RQ-170 squadron, a Predator-C squadron, unmanned anti-submarine platforms, and many more. All of which are admittedly awesome in their own ways, but Obama continued the standard paradigm of capability first geo-policy.

Trump has stepped on the gas pedal for most of those programs.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-23 07:55 PM | Reply

Your straw man is begging the question, "Why did you create me?"

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism

He's clearly looking for the thought process of a "progressive" who hates military spending whining more about president A who spent less than president B who spent more.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 08:13 PM | Reply

"Trump has stepped on the gas pedal for most of those programs."

And at the same time, he has turned America's back to the hegemony those programs were intended to maintain

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-23 08:18 PM | Reply

- he has turned America's back to the hegemony those programs were intended to maintain

Good.

Trump: U.S. Treated As World's Policeman; China, Russia Don't "Police The World" - www.realclearpolitics.com

One of the few subjects I might agree with Trump on.

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 08:26 PM | Reply

#50 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Why do you want to support the hegemony?

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-23 08:36 PM | Reply

The road to empire is a bloody stupid waste. If we stopped it our standard of living would skyrocket.
#45 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

Its the Congo's goto move, hows that working out?

#53 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-23 08:38 PM | Reply

"Why do you want to support the hegemony?"

It's better than somebody else deciding what the rules are.

Why don't you agree with me on that?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-23 08:38 PM | Reply

"The road to empire is a bloody stupid waste. If we stopped it our standard of living would skyrocket.
#45 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING"

Defense: 3% of GDP
Health Care: 18% of GDP.
You're squeezing the wrong one.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-23 08:40 PM | Reply

Obama's wasn't. It was fairly coalition based and had a strong economic focus.

For? Honduras? Libya? Syria? All those little countries he droned?

Was that economic focused? Its like saying the Iraq war was for economic reasons.

But Obama used drones as a go to move on RoW.
www.thebureauinvestigates.com

You must be applauding Trumps hiding of civilian casualties be drone strikes, after all according to you drones are for economic reasons and focus.

#56 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-23 08:43 PM | Reply

Why don't you agree with me on that?
#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Where did I disagree with you?

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-23 08:43 PM | Reply

One of the few subjects I might agree with Trump on.

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Hahaha you agree with trump on every subject comrade.

Name one subject you DONT agree with him on.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 08:45 PM | Reply

It's better than somebody else deciding what the rules are.

Why?

Why would you support this, but allow an "open border"?

Hegemony is only maintained when pecking "order" is maintained. The collapse of its border is a significant event in the collapse of all "empires" and their ability to maintain the pecking order.

#59 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-23 08:48 PM | Reply

- Name one subject you DONT agree with him on.

Hairstyle
McDonalds is food
Golf is fun
Florida is a great place to spend Christmas
I 'heart' NYC
Gold, as a favorite color

There's a half dozen.

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 08:49 PM | Reply

It's better than somebody else deciding what the rules are.
Why don't you agree with me on that?

#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

By imposing our rules on others? Why?

Leave them alone.

#61 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 08:51 PM | Reply

One of the few subjects I might agree with Trump on.
#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Hahaha you agree with trump on every subject comrade.
#58 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Do YOU agree? Do YOU want to continue acting as world police?

Explain why.

#62 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 08:53 PM | Reply

Anyone get a raise out of this?

#63 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-07-23 08:57 PM | Reply

Do YOU agree? Do YOU want to continue acting as world police?

Explain why.

#62 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHIS

Not world police, world leader -- big difference.

Saying world police implies law enforcement, aka military engagement.

World leader is all about setting the example while promoting liberal and democratic values.

#64 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-23 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hairstyle
McDonalds is food
Golf is fun
Florida is a great place to spend Christmas
I 'heart' NYC
Gold, as a favorite color

There's a half dozen.

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Ah so nothing of actual substance. In politics, you're a loyal trumper.

What will you do if the election comes down to your fake hero bernie vs your cult leader trump?

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Not world police, world leader -- big difference.

Which one does 'South China Sea provocations' fall under?

Where does GITMO fit in 'leadership'? Libya? Sudan?

#66 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 09:11 PM | Reply

What will you do if the election comes down to your fake hero bernie vs your cult leader trump?

He'll vote for donald.

#67 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-23 09:12 PM | Reply

What will you do if the election comes down to your fake hero bernie vs your cult leader trump?
#65 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Biden vs. Trump - Go ahead and choose, Speaks. Tell us.

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 09:13 PM | Reply

Which one does 'South China Sea provocations' fall under?

Where does GITMO fit in 'leadership'? Libya? Sudan?

#66 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Is water wet?

They fall under the MIC and a lack of values-based moral leadership.

#69 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-23 09:23 PM | Reply

Biden vs. Trump - Go ahead and choose, Speaks. Tell us.

#68 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Biden, doofus.

Trump is a traitor, and a -------.

Anyone but Trump.

#70 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-23 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden vs. Trump - Go ahead and choose, Speaks. Tell us.

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Well I have a brain so that's an easy one.

Bernie vs trump - you dodged it. Your fake hero or your cult leader?

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 09:26 PM | Reply

I'd vote Bernie. hell, I might write him in. Anyways, I'll never get to vote for him in anything other than the primaries, because the MSM and DNC is going to cut his throat. Here's how it works: watch how the media narrows the field and dismisses the lessor candidates. Then watch how they shine a light on Warren and shade on Bernie. Finally, when it gets down to Warren and Biden, they cut Bernies throat, blame Warren, and crown Joe.

That's how it's going down. And you'll roll over and lift your leg, panting..

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 09:31 PM | Reply

#72 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Of course the DNC, Democratic donors, and the rest hate Bernie ...

But adults have to make an adult decision.

Trump is a traitor, and a -------.

Anyone but Trump.

#73 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-23 09:36 PM | Reply

Anyone but Trump.
#73 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Which is why you'll never get Bernie, or anyone like Bernie. Because in the end, you'll allow yourself to be corralled into a cattle shoot and willingly branded like the rest of the sheep. And the status quo continues unabated.

You don't even realize that Trump is your painful lesson to NEVER AGAIN not vote for the establishment choice. "We can't risk another Trump! Oh NO! We have to vote for the one picked for us to avoid the horrors!."

Bahhhaha. BLEAT!

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 09:46 PM | Reply

Help us DNC! HEEEeelp! We'll take ANYONE!!

ANYONE, I say! hahahaha. suckers.

#75 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-23 09:48 PM | Reply

@ Sheep

Both parties are entrenched like both Biden's and Trump's hairplugs.

If Bernie can somehow win the nomination, then great.

But if it's Biden, then there is no use in whining ...

Anyone but Trump.

#76 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-23 09:55 PM | Reply

Why don't you agree with me on that?
#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Where did I disagree with you?
#57 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

When you sported Trump's foreign policy and trade wars and curbs on immigration.
That's where you disagreed with me.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 12:53 AM | Reply

It's better than somebody else deciding what the rules are.
Why don't you agree with me on that?
#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

By imposing our rules on others? Why?
Leave them alone.
#61 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Our economy depends on global trade.
If we walk away from global trade, it will collapse our economy.
Likely, much of the world's economy.
Trump is making Russia more powerful and making NATO less powerful at the same time.
That won't result in anyone being left alone, it will just mean Russia has more say and the United States has less say.

Leave them alone isn't on the table.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 12:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#78 Anyone remember TPP?

I do.

#79 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-07-24 01:51 AM | Reply

Our economy depends on global trade.
If we walk away from global trade, it will collapse our economy.
Likely, much of the world's economy.
Trump is making Russia more powerful and making NATO less powerful at the same time.
That won't result in anyone being left alone, it will just mean Russia has more say and the United States has less say.

Leave them alone isn't on the table.

#78 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Exactly

#80 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-24 07:57 AM | Reply

a lack of values-based moral leadership.
#69 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

ALCON,
Stand by for all-hands training.
Topic: leadership.
It would behoove you to pay attention.
V/r,
Your CoC

#81 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-07-24 09:23 AM | Reply

Trump is making Russia more powerful

#78 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-07-24 12:59 AM

Is he?

The Russian economy is back to 0.5% GDP growth, where it was at towards the end of the Obama admin. Russian defense spending fell from 4.2% in 2015 to 2.9% in 2018. That's the lowest since 2010's 2.7%. Russia failed to link the Donbass front with Sevastopol and Ukraine has driven them backwards along that coastline. Pro-Russian sentiment in the pocket continues to decline. The only Russian ethnic enclave left to push is Narva, and Estonia has already entrenched against it. Russia's ally Venezuela has economically collapsed. Syrian has lost its oil rich Kurd territories and after 8 years of constant fighting, Russian, Syria, and Iran can still not win the Aleppo front. Iranian surrogate forces in Yemen have agreed to a cease fire and withdrawn from Hudaydah, the route through which MRBM and SRBM launchers were smuggled in to attack the ally critical to the ME axis of our hegemony, Saudi Arabia.

The only place Russia is really making up any ground is Libya. Russia is backing Al-Haftar. Al-Haftar was sent to Libya by the CIA under the Obama admin, raised an army, took Russian money/guns/drones, then simultaneously launched attacks on Islamic militants in Benghazi and the UN backed provisional government.

As the Japanese noted, what Trump says, and what the US government does, are very different.

#82 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-24 09:33 AM | Reply

#82 I don't know what the $$$ amount is for oil to make ends meet for Russia, but I expect a barrel to stay at or above that number... with timely intervention from Trump as required. Like picking a fight with Iran, for example.

I suppose I should have said "Trump is trying to make Russia relatively more powerful, by weakening NATO." But I do think intervening on the price of oil is probably the single easiest thing Trump can do for the mobsters in the Kremlin he owes.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 03:54 PM | Reply

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