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Monday, July 22, 2019

A close look at the accusations against the former senator. Last month, in Minneapolis, I climbed the stairs of a row house to find Al Franken, Minnesota's disgraced former senator, wandering around in jeans and stocking feet. When I asked him if he truly regretted his decision to resign, he said, "Oh, yeah. Absolutely."

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Jane Mayer @JaneMayerNYer

How @alfranken got railroaded: my story here

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-22 10:21 AM | Reply

I wonder if someone will ask Gillibrand about this article in the upcoming debate? I'm pretty sure she has no regrets and will double down on her previous stance.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-22 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

It was ridiculous for him to resign.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-22 10:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I would agree he shouldn't have resigned. I like Al Franken. If Minnisota wanted to recal or impeach him, then it should have gone that route. I think he took the easy way out.

That said, Franken is not to thrown into the same camp as Weinstein, Epstein, Cosby, or R.Kelly. He's also NOT entirely innocent. There has to be a line drawn by women when touching and unwanted kissing are inappropriate.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 12:29 PM | Reply

There has to be a line drawn by women when touching and unwanted kissing are inappropriate.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism

says a die hard trump supporter without irony.

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-22 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Franken got thrown under the bus by the me too movement.
Repubs protected their own serious offenders and dems ousted anyone who MIGHT have done something offensive.

No matter what else gillibrand ever does, all she'll ever be is the person who kicked al franken out of the senate so she could benefit from metoo fever.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-22 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I would agree he shouldn't have resigned. I like Al Franken. If Minnisota wanted to recal or impeach him, then it should have gone that route. I think he took the easy way out.
That said, Franken is not to thrown into the same camp as Weinstein, Epstein, Cosby, or R.Kelly. He's also NOT entirely innocent. There has to be a line drawn by women when touching and unwanted kissing are inappropriate.

#4 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

No one is surprised you leave Trump out of that list...

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-07-22 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Are you surprised he left Clinton off the list too?

#8 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-22 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Zing....

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-22 04:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

At the time I said Franken was being railroaded and shouldn't resign.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-22 04:19 PM | Reply

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Really bad timing for him.
The liberal circular firing squad always hits a target.

#11 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-07-22 04:22 PM | Reply

I wonder if someone will ask Gillibrand about this article in the upcoming debate?

If you look at her ads on Twitter the replies are about 95% angry Franken fans who say they will never support her. He is way more popular than she is; she doesn't stand a chance in this primary because of what she did.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-22 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Gillibrand tried to out-woke Wokamala by saying "the future is intersectional." No one knew what she was blubbering about, but one thing is sure, "the future isn't Gillibrand."

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-22 04:38 PM | Reply

This whole situation is unfortunate, but maybe a side benefit is the realization by people all too eager to jump on the #Metoo bandwagon that things like due process actually matter, FTA:

At his house, Franken said he understood that, in such an atmosphere, the public might not be eager to hear his grievances. Holding his head in his hands, he said, 'I don't think people who have been sexually assaulted, and those kinds of things, want to hear from people who have been #MeToo'd that they're victims.' Yet, he added, being on the losing side of the #MeToo movement, which he fervently supports, has led him to spend time thinking about such matters as due process, proportionality of punishment, and the consequences of internet-fueled outrage.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-22 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Are you surprised he left Clinton off the list too?

Must have been a typo, I thought for sure Clinton was the first on my list.

Thank you for pointing that out. He's a sleazy bugger diddler.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 04:58 PM | Reply

There has to be a line drawn by women when touching and unwanted kissing are inappropriate.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yeah the line is when it's anybody but trump, sheep4trump stands up for women.

If trump is the perv, sheep4trump shifts into ATTACK THE LIBS mode.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-22 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

He's never been charged with anything Speaks, much less indicted.
Weinstein, Epstein, and R.Kelly have been charged; Cosby is serving time in prison.

Like I said, Franken shouldn't have resigned.
Trump has never faced even a police investigation, just lawsuits.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 05:33 PM | Reply

He's never been charged with anything Speaks, much less indicted.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism

And OJ Simpson was found innocent if murder by our judicial system.

That doesn't mean anyone with a brain thinks he's innocent.
No one outside trump's cult or russian propagandists defends trump when it comes to sexual assault, something he bragged about multiple times.

But sheep4trump still thinks trump deserves the benefit of the doubt. Sheep4trump thinks we should talk about clinton instead.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-22 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There has to be a line drawn by women when touching and unwanted kissing are inappropriate.

Al never touched or kissed anyone. He posed for a picture.

On the other hand, your boy Donnie loves grabbing women by the P, and walking in on 15 year old naked girls. Not that anyone should worry, it's not anything he hasn't seen before.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-22 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Isn't Jane Meyer the co-author of that New Yorker piece with Ronan Farrow involving the now discredited allegations from Debra Ramirez during the Kavanaugh hearings?

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-22 06:33 PM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

There were at least 8 separate accusers, Clown. And since Speaks thought your brain dump was NW, needs to read more.

www.ajc.com

"The reports bring the number of allegations made against the Minnesota Democrat to at least eight. Many of the alleged incidents happened before Franken became a senator, although at least two, including one reported Wednesday, were alleged to have happened after he was sworn in."

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 06:33 PM | Reply

#21

Since when have Republicans given a shht about allegations?

For all we know these women were paid by the GOP to fabricate these allegations.

Get back to me when he's actually convicted of something.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-22 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There were at least 8 separate accusers, Clown"

Looking for relevance, in light of "I would agree he shouldn't have resigned."

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-22 06:41 PM | Reply

The relevance being that if MN want to impeach or recall him he'd have been given a hearing and investigation to vet the claims.

Instead Franken took the easy path - resignation. Maybe he knew he would've never survived victim testimony? I don't know.

But maybe now that time has passed, he doesn't want to be an outcast like Matt Lauer or Charlie Rose.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 06:46 PM | Reply

Also 8 accusers is more credible than 1, like with Kavanaugh.

It's harder to defend.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-22 06:47 PM | Reply

If the "relevance" is how it relates to a thing that didn't happen and isn't even going to happen, then it's irrelevant.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-22 06:48 PM | Reply

Also 8 accusers is more credible than 1, like with Kavanaugh.

It's harder to defend.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Not for you. You defend a guy with 24 accusers every day.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-22 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Also 8 accusers is more credible than 1, like with Kavanaugh."

I dislike the use of the word accuser when it comes to Franken. That's part of what took him down. Counting every woman who came for word with a story as an accuser and using the same word that was used to identify women who came forward with much more serious accusations against other powerful men. Kavanaugh was accused of attempted rape, for example. Cosby was accused of drugging and raping numerous women. Nothing that Franken was accused of rose to the level of sexual assault. I don't even think the accusations against him rose to the level of sexual harassment. He was accused of brief inappropriate touching while taking photos, of using his tongue while practicing for a comedy skit, which he denies, and of posing for a fake photo of him touching a fellow performer's breasts while on tour, which he apologized for. So, yes, to the #MeToo movement, to the media and to people like Senator Gillibrand doing some soul-searching of their own:

"Yet, he added, being on the losing side of the #MeToo movement, which he fervently supports, has led him to spend time thinking about such matters as due process, proportionality of punishment, and the consequences of internet-fueled outrage."

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-22 10:09 PM | Reply

"The relevance being that if"

^
It's precisely the "if" which makes it irrelevant.
That ship has sailed.
Your point is moot.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-22 10:54 PM | Reply

NEW YORK ― Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) made it clear on Monday that she has zero regrets about calling for former Sen. Al Franken's (D-Minn.) resignation amid allegations of sexual misconduct in 2017.

"He has eight credible allegations against him. Two since he was senator and the eighth one happened to be a congressional staffer," the presidential hopeful said during a town hall conversation with Mic Editor-at-Large Jake Horowitz in New York City.

"Now I could've told those seven senators and any of the senators... that there is no prize for someone who tries to hold accountable a powerful man who is good at his day job," Gillibrand continued, referring to the seven senators who later joined her call for Franken to resign. "Well, we should have the courage to do it anyway. So, no, I do not have any regret

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

#30 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-23 01:37 AM | Reply

Franken wasn't railroaded. He was sacrificed. He was a human shield the Democrats held up to deflect future efforts to point out their hypocrisy on the subject. For their efforts, they now have Epstein and Weinstein who, along with what will most certainly become a boatload of A-List democrats who hung out with Epstein, demonstrate that Dems were clearly willing to ignore rape and pedophilia for cash. The Franken ploy having failed, they now show deep remorse and start waxing poetic about due process.

Life is a cabaret.

#31 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-23 08:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From what I understand, the girl was asleep so it's like it never happened.

#32 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-07-23 10:32 AM | Reply

Since when have Republicans given a shht about allegations?
For all we know these women were paid by the GOP to fabricate these allegations.
Get back to me when he's actually convicted of something.

#22 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

He didn't really dispute any of the allegations.

This won't go well with the woke crowd, but here goes:

When it comes to this type of thing degree matters.

There's sexual assault and then there's sexual assault.

What Franken was accused of is relatively minor on the sexual misconduct scale.

I don't say that to diminish what his accusers experienced.

But on a sliding scale of sexual misconduct (for lack of a better term), smelling hair (I know that wasn't Franken) falls near the bottom of the scale with rape at the top.

Franken's alleged misconduct falls near the bottom of the scale. He's not a sexual predator based upon what is publicly known.

He shouldn't have resigned and I agree with Mustang GT, he wasn't railroaded, he was sacrificed.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-23 10:39 AM | Reply

emonstrate that Dems were clearly willing to ignore rape and pedophilia for cash. The Franken ploy having failed, they now show deep remorse and start waxing poetic about due process.

Life is a cabaret.

#31 | Posted by MUSTANG

That has literally been the GOPs campaign slogan since 2016 - Ignoring sex assault for tax cuts.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 11:04 AM | Reply

"Literally"? Are you really that dumb?

#35 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-23 11:19 AM | Reply

"Literally"? Are you really that dumb?

#35 | Posted by MUSTANG

Are you really that ignorant about your party?

Everything is done in order to get tax cuts for the rich. Even their fake concern about abortion is just to get dumb christian votes so they can get elected and give tax cuts for the rich.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 11:31 AM | Reply

Nothing that Franken was accused of rose to the level of sexual assault. - #28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-22 10:09 PM
Uh...have you checked the statute for sexual assault?

"Any person who penetrates sexually the ----, vagina, mouth or any other opening in the body of another person with a part of his body or anything else, without the consent of the person is guilty of a felony"

A forced kiss, which is what Tweeden claimed happened, is sexual assault. Hell, even HuffPo thinks so:
www.huffpost.com

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-23 12:01 PM | Reply

""Any person who penetrates sexually the ----, vagina, mouth or any other opening in the body of another person with a part of his body or anything else, without the consent of the person is guilty of a felony""

Well, that's just silly.

You're suggesting if a regular kiss turns into a "French" kiss...that's a FELONY!

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-23 12:04 PM | Reply

#36
1. Not my party.
2. You still misused the word "literally".

#39 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-07-23 12:34 PM | Reply

1. Not my party.
2. You still misused the word "literally".

#39 | Posted by MUSTANG

Not my party, just the party that I always defend while attacking their opposition.

Like sheep4trump - "I'm not a trump supporter, I just attack trump's enemies all day and repeat his talking points ver batim!"

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-23 01:07 PM | Reply

Certain posters have an incessant need to assign false positions to others.

Jane Mayer is a very odd choice to write this piece after that journalistic debacle of a hit piece she wrote about Kavanaugh. Plenty of liberals ripped her article about the alleged indecent exposure over bad journalistic practices.

Now, she's getting all nuanced and crap giving Franken an exponentially bigger benefit of the doubt than she ever would have dreamed about with Kavanaugh with the allegations against Franken being astronomically more credible and believable than the accusations against Kavanaugh.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-23 11:29 PM | Reply

Kavanaughs reaction gave credibility to the accusations. He showed zero self control.

Not someone who needs to be A judge let alone THE judge.

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-23 11:51 PM | Reply

- Kavanaughs reaction gave credibility to the accusations.

No it didn't. Everyone reacts differently when attacked, or their spouse is missing, or a child is killed, or accused of a crime. You entered the fray with that presumption that he's guilty because Trump rage. Go ahead and let me hear you claim that your view of Kavanaugh began as a neutral position and you were open to listening.

LOL

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-24 12:02 AM | Reply

He went from flying into rages to breaking down in tears. Also disrespectfully asking questions instead of answering them. Plus he lied about the definitions.

Not judge material. Next.

PS- You're a right wing partisan tool and everyone knows it, don't project your deficiencies on me. Thanks.

#44 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-24 12:22 AM | Reply

Al Franken's sexual assault is what #MeToo was created to address and now liberals feel victimized by it - www.washingtonexaminer.com

It's biggest victim being Alexandrite.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-24 12:27 AM | Reply

If Kavanaugh had been totally calm it would have been proof he's a sociopath.

He wasn't sitting on the bench. He was having his reputation baselessly dragged through the mud and he reacted the way a lot of people would react when put in that situation.

Plus he lied about the definitions.

So, you know for certain how a clique of high schoolers back in the early '80's used slang terms based upon what is now in Urban Dictionary - a website that didn't even exist at the time? Really??

Well, in my social circles we have our own Urban dictionary definitions for crantz and harari (not sure of the spelling for the latter). Crantz definition isn't close to ours and harari doesn't even exist on Urban Dictionary.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-24 12:45 AM | Reply

"He was having his reputation baselessly dragged through the mud"

It's only baseless if you believe Kavanaugh about what those words mean.
But you just said there's no way to know for certain.
You can't have it both ways, JeffJ.
Womp womp.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 12:50 AM | Reply

It's only baseless if you believe Kavanaugh about what those words mean. - #47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 12:50 AM
That is untrue. Other sources came forward admitting to the same definition to the words that Kavanaugh claimed, so you'd have to believe other people like
LATimes writer Del Quinten Wilbur: "10 years later at Georgetown Prep, students talked about boofing. One meaning was definitely farting".
Or Jack Crow:

Graduates of the early 1980s also told me Devil's Triangle was a drinking game. It involved three cups of beer and bouncing quarters into them. Prep students played a lot of quarters. A bunch of '83 [grads] mention Devil's Triangle on their yearbook pages, and I find it hard to believe that students at an all boys high school of that era would be referring to the sex act as defined by urban dictionary. Too much stigma.

www.nationalreview.com

I linked them numerous times here. You can only still be ignorant of them if you have chosen to remain ignorant.

#48 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-24 07:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's only baseless if you believe Kavanaugh about what those words mean.
But you just said there's no way to know for certain.
You can't have it both ways, JeffJ.
Womp womp.

#47 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Here's the thing, neither of us know what those words meant to that small community of boys at that time.

Alex said definitively that he lied about the definitions.

I gave Avigdore a NW.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-24 09:59 AM | Reply

I'm pretty sure she has no regrets and will double down on her previous stance.

#2 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

A psychopath definitely has no regrets. That said, she will flip her position because the lynching of Franken is political suicide if she maintains it.

#50 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-07-24 01:10 PM | Reply

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