Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, July 24, 2019

NBC News political director Chuck Todd weighs in on former special counsel Robert Mueller's performance at today's House Judiciary and Intelligence Committee hearings. Todd called the optics of the hearings a "disaster" and the special counsel did nothing to advance the cause for impeachment.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC NEWS: When the Democrats were asked why, why would they put Robert Mueller on the witness stand, why did he come before Congress when he's issued this report, they said, because you needed to have this report come alive, because the movie will be better than the book, that it would capture and captivate America's attention and focus them on the issues here. And to our panel, I ask the question, is it mission accomplished, if that was the goal?

CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: If that was the goal, it's a complete failure on that front, so look, on the optics, this was a disaster.

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When a DNC sycophant like Chuck Todd says it was a disaster, that's gonna leave a mark.

Nadler and Schiff should resign their chairmanships.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you've lost even a lefty loon like Laurence Tribe...

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Much as I hate to say it, this morning's hearing was a disaster. Far from breathing life into his damning report, the tired Robert Mueller sucked the life out of it. The effort to save democracy and the rule of law from this lawless president has been set back, not advanced.

9:30 AM - 24 Jul 2019

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-24 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...because the movie will be better than the book,

Mueller Hearings Another Summer Movie Disappointment

If the Democrats wanted to make a movie, they did a pretty poor job of it. Giving in to the political interests of individual politicians, the committee divided its time up among the many members of the committee so that everyone could get a participation trophy. Since each member had very little time with Mueller, they had no interest in giving Mueller any time to develop lengthy answers to questions. There was less speechifying than often dominates hearings, but the questions tended to a less-than-edifying "yes or no" form that only managed to put things on the record that were already on the record. If the goal is to tell a coherent story about what happened in the months leading up to the election and the months after the inauguration, fragmenting the hearing into a multitude of short, disconnected exchanges is not going to advance that goal.

#3 | Posted by et_al at 2019-07-24 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chuck Todd shares a lot of company regarding his assessment among other left-leaning peers.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-24 04:19 PM | Reply

Oh no, Chuck Todd popped Corky's circus balloon and stepped on his clown shoes.

And they never even brought out the elephants!

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-24 04:32 PM | Reply


I didn't expect much from the hearings, as I have noted before.

I was not disappointed.

The Democrats did what I expected them to do. The Republicans did what I expected them to do.

Mr Mueller did not want to be there, and it showed, bug time.


Aside from the Pres Trump and Wikileaks comments, Mr Mueller didn't say anything unexpected (though i was not able to see the whole day of hearings).

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-24 04:40 PM | Reply

Not exculpated.

Presidential crimes are so boring in the insta age. Couldn't they get Cardi B to shake her butt instead?

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-24 04:42 PM | Reply

MSNBC Analyst: Mueller ‘Sucked The Life Out Of The Report'

freebeacon.com

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-24 04:46 PM | Reply

thread is a little light.

ROC should have baited every one with a different headline.

instead of Chuck Todd...he should have said Sean Hannity....at least it would have drawn the attention of the poo flingers on this place.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-24 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Wow, other liberal pundits are piling on:

MSNBC national security analyst Jeremy Bash said, "With all reverence for Bob Mueller and his lifetime of career service -- and I think the attacks on him were ridiculous and silly -- I have to say that far from breathing life into the report, he kind of sucked the life out of the report. I thought he was boring. I thought in some cases he was sort of evasive. He didn't want to explain or expand on his rationale. He seemed lost at times. This was an unmitigated disaster for the Democrats."

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mediaite pundit John Ziegler --"As a longtime advocate, if only for the sake of historical precedent, of President Donald Trump's impeachment, I had long ago become resigned to the reality that the timing of events here were not conducive to that happening. But even with very low expectations for Mueller's testimony to Congress, what happened today was a near disaster for the cause of spreading the truth about Russia's attempts to influence the 2016 election."

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 04:57 PM | Reply


@#6

Mr Mueller did not want to be there, and it showed, bug time.

should be...

Mr Mueller did not want to be there, and it showed, big time.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-24 04:59 PM | Reply

The liberal twitterverse is exploding:

David Axelrod

@davidaxelrod
This is very, very painful.

6,614
8:57 AM - Jul 24, 2019

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Charles M. Blow

@CharlesMBlow

Dems are basically reading Mueller quotes from his report and asking, "is that correct"? You have had this report for five months! You already knew it was correct! You already knew he was a criminal. And you have done NOTHING! I'm soooooo frustrated and disappointed

3,754
6:30 AM - Jul 24, 2019

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amy walter

@amyewalter
We are only 30 mins into this thing but I don't think that this is going the way Democrats were hoping it would..

2,933
6:17 AM - Jul 24, 2019

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katie pavlich

@katiepavlich
Democrats demanded Special Counsel Robert Mueller testify in front of the House Judiciary Committee and today they got their wish. It was a complete disaster and Democrats outside of the hearing room are openly admitting it. Arrgh

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11:17 AM - Jul 24, 2019

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 05:02 PM | Reply

--I'm soooooo frustrated and disappointed

Hahahaha. Charles blows. Always has. What a hack.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-24 05:07 PM | Reply

In other news, HRC has once again been Medivaced to Chelsea's apartment.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 05:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I should have posted this here.....but I'll pose this question......does this make it appear to the independent voter who hasn't decided yet that Trump hasn't done anything wrong?

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-24 05:18 PM | Reply

Obligatory.

www.youtube.com

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-24 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Dems are basically reading Mueller quotes from his report and asking, "is that correct"?

A montage featuring all of Muellers responses - youtu.be

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-24 05:20 PM | Reply

#16

It could very well, especially since the MSM keeps saying that this was a disaster for the Democrats. As we know from the Usual Idiots of the DR Left, they usually only read headlines so that may very well be the case.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 05:56 PM | Reply

#17

All I could think about was Tonyroma wandering around the rubble of his carefully constructed Narrative screaming "What do we do now?????!" while GalTuesday glumly stares at him...

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 06:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#20

"Let's build a fire; sing a couple of songs."

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-24 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I just posted this on the "Trump can be indicted after he leaves office" thread:

Your tears of unfathomable sadness are delicious...

#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-24 07:11 PM

Too soon?

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 07:13 PM | Reply

No, it's right on time.
Everyone who is pro impeachment like you is pretty much thinking the same thing.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 07:20 PM | Reply

#23

I have said since April that this was not the way to do it, Nadler, Schiff and Pelosi have no one else but themselves to blame for this disaster. If Pelosi had opened an impeachment inquiry, Muller would have been under a criminal, not legislative, subpoena and he would not have been able to demur on most of the questions he refused to answer.

Since she is not going to impeach, the sorrow of the idiots who supported this strategy is mock worthy.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 07:24 PM | Reply

"I have said since April that this was not the way to do it"

Stop crying.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 07:25 PM | Reply

What was your elected representative Nancy Pelosi's response to the advice emails you've been sending her since April?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 07:27 PM | Reply

Stop being so bitter, my emails were to Ted Lieu, who is in support of impeachment and one of the few bright points that the Dems had today.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 07:30 PM | Reply

"my emails were to Ted Lieu, who is in support of impeachment"

Then he's not the guy you need to convince!

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 07:49 PM | Reply

He's my Representative, an email from a non-constituent gets a form email back that says, "thank you for your email, it has been forwarded to your district's Congressman."

But keep defending the indefensible, you own this.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-24 07:57 PM | Reply

"But keep defending the indefensible, you own this."

What am I defending?
I didn't vote for Pelosi, by the way.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-24 08:04 PM | Reply

What am I defending? ~ Snoofy

What are you inferring?

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-24 08:11 PM | Reply

LOL, Chuck Todd is the fence sitter that Jeffry and FakeLawyer pretend to be.

#32 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-24 11:22 PM | Reply

"On substance, Democrats got what they wanted," says @chucktodd. "On optics, this was a disaster."

Spoken like a media talking head rather than a journalist:

Grant Stern @grantstern

The @CJR is America's top journalism school's professional media publication.

They just called Chuck Todd an idiot.

It took a former US Attorney and acting head of the DEA, Chuck Rosenberg, to drag MSNBC back to reality ... . "There's a difference between ‘exciting' and ‘important,' he said. "There are things that are exciting that are not important; there are things that are important that are not particularly exciting."

www.cjr.org

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-25 12:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Actually... It was devastating.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-25 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So we settled on the truth of yesterday it seems. Mueller was undramatic but devastating, pretty much as you'd expect any mature, competent man to be.

Donald Trump is saying that yesterday "totally exonerated him". Well, that was expected. Also expected is so many on this forum who agree with him.

Trump. or course, is a liar. His supporters are cowards as well as liars.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-25 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My wife, watching Mueller, thought that his alleged problems with hearing and whatnot were a deliberate tactic to give him a bit more time to think.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-25 09:42 AM | Reply

They should have called Gordon Cole to testify.

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-25 10:54 AM | Reply

They just called Chuck Todd an idiot.

It's funny how all of us on the DR Right have been calling Chuck Todd an idiot for years, but the one time he is critical of #Team and finally the Usual Idiots of the DR Left have seen the light.

Now they need to do the same to the rest of the "idiots" who called this like they saw it, unless, of course, their handlers got to them before the second hearing and handed them new talking points so they could all be on the same page later in the day.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 12:46 PM | Reply

This is what Jeffrey Toobin had to say:

.@JeffreyToobin: Dems investigations into Trump have been a "wall-to-wall failure"

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-25 01:15 PM | Reply

This is what Jeffrey Toobin had to say:
.@JeffreyToobin: Dems investigations into Trump have been a "wall-to-wall failure"
#39 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

So they have nothing to lose in opening an impeachment inquiry into his obstruction.

They don't head down that road, they are sunk from ALL sides.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-25 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So they have nothing to lose in opening an impeachment inquiry into his obstruction...

#40 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I think Mueller's disastrous performance yesterday effectively slammed that window shut.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-25 01:32 PM | Reply

I think Mueller's disastrous performance yesterday effectively slammed that window shut.
#41 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What part of Mueller's testimony brought you to believe that Trump did not obstruct the investigation (or attempted to)?

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-07-25 01:33 PM | Reply

"It's funny how all of us on the DR Right have been calling Chuck Todd an idiot for years, but the one time he is critical of #Team and finally the Usual Idiots of the DR Left have seen the light."

Hey, don't lump me in that category. I've never liked Chuck Todd. I don't watch Meet the Press on Sunday or daily because of him. When Katy Tur sat in for him on Mondays before she went on maternity leave, I'd watch the show, but when he's on I turn the channel.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-25 01:34 PM | Reply

Even the Newyorker is calling this a disaster for both the Dems and Mueller:

After so much waiting -- a hundred and twenty-four days, to be precise, since Robert Mueller's report was delivered -- perhaps it was bound to be a disappointment. Still, three hours after the former special counsel took the witness stand on Wednesday to testify about his investigation of President Trump and Russian interference in the 2016 election, the MSNBC anchor Brian Williams described it as a "disaster," the White House press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, called the hearing an "epic embarrassment" for the Democrats, and the pro-Trump Drudge Report ripped the septuagenarian former F.B.I. director as "dazed and confused." Finally, there was something that Trump-era Washington could agree on: Mueller had bombed.

If the Democrats' goal was to put on the record the facts that were already in the public record, they accomplished that, but to what avail? The chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Jerry Nadler, who ran the morning's hearing, and the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, who ran the afternoon session, both gave lucid, powerful, and damning opening statements.

If only the hearing had ended there. But it didn't.

On Tuesday night, Laurence Tribe, the Harvard law professor who had been one of the President's toughest critics and an outspoken proponent of impeachment, tweeted that he expected Mueller's testimony to "shatter" the "mirage" of no collusion, no obstruction that has been Trump's mantra since the report was released. By early Wednesday afternoon, Tribe recognized that it hadn't happened. "Much as I hate to say it, this morning's hearing was a disaster," he wrote. "Far from breathing life into his damning report, the tired Robert Mueller sucked the life out of it. The effort to save democracy and the rule of law from this lawless president has been set back, not advanced." Tribe felt better by the late afternoon, arguing that Mueller was issuing a "loud wakeup call" on Russian interference. But the damage was done.

For days before the hearing, the members of Congress who brought us Mueller's testimony suggested that, because the American public (and many of their fellow-representatives) had largely failed to read the report, it would now be dramatized and dumbed down in video form. "We want Bob Mueller to bring it to life," Schiff told "Face the Nation," on Sunday. To say that didn't happen would be an understatement of major proportions. "This was supposed to be the movie" that went along with the book, Williams said on MSNBC, during a break in the testimony. "Well, they're not even left with that today." It's all a reminder of something I've long believed: the book is almost always better than the movie. History will very likely judge that to be the case with the Mueller report, especially in light of the Democrats stunning failure yesterday.

Ouch.

"Accountability"? The Mueller Hearing Is How Trump Escapes

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 01:49 PM | Reply

#42

As I have said since late March, there is plenty of evidence of obstruction to commence, at the very least, an impeachment inquiry but Nancy's Grand Strategy of having Mueller testify to "bring the report to life" massively failed, and as a result impeachment now will never happen.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 01:52 PM | Reply

#43

I don't Gal, you and I have had enough conversations for me to not lump you in that category.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 01:53 PM | Reply

Hey, don't lump me in that category. I've never liked Chuck Todd. I don't watch Meet the Press on Sunday or daily because of him. When Katy Tur sat in for him on Mondays before she went on maternity leave, I'd watch the show, but when he's on I turn the channel.

#43 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I watched Meet the Press religiously when it was hosted by Tim Russert.

I thought David Gregory was an unmitigated disaster. I've never liked Chuck Todd so I haven't watched it with him as host either.

There has got to be some journalists who are worthy of hosting that show. Perhaps Jake Tapper?

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-25 01:57 PM | Reply

Did Chuck Todd even watch the testimony? It was bad optics for Mueller and Rosenstein; revealing them to be waffling republican hacks. Chuck Todd and the rest of MSNBC's clowns built him up so much that disappointment for the centrist democrats was inevitable. You'd think they'd have realized Mueller lacks the conviction to put country over party when he first gave that pathetic excuse about OLC guidelines.

#48 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-07-25 02:07 PM | Reply

I think Mueller's disastrous performance yesterday effectively slammed that window shut.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ

Other than being a right wing talking point, how was his performance "disastrous"?

I think Mueller behaved and testified exactly as I'd expect him to.

The disaster was in the Dems putting on this show without an apparent clear objective or message.

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 02:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Other than being a right wing talking point, how was his performance "disastrous"?

Right wing talking point?

If you scroll up, everybody in the media who are being quoted are left-wing except for Chris Wallace.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-25 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

If you scroll up, everybody in the media who are being quoted are left-wing except for Chris Wallace.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ

I interpret it as the event, no his "performance".

IE it was an amateur attempt to keep the spotlight on the report that didn't achieve it's end (at best) or hurt it (at worst).

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 03:11 PM | Reply

#50

The disappointment is so deep on the Left that they can't even blame their own words on the "rwing bogeyman", given their stunning outbursts of honesty yesterday as this train wreck unfolded.

Great job, Nancy, Jerry and Adam, you threw away your chance to start an impeachment inquiry.

#52 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 03:33 PM | Reply

The disaster was in the Dems putting on this show without an apparent clear objective or message.

I think that they were very clear on what they hoped would happen, as Susan Glasser pointed out in the Newyorker article linked in #44, they wanted Mueller's testimony to bring the Report "to life", as Schiffshow put it.

Needless to say, it was both a bad idea and extremely poorly executed.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 03:38 PM | Reply

*multiple tweets and articles cited from left wing sources*
JPW: 'Why are we believing right wing talking points?'

#54 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-25 04:02 PM | Reply

*multiple tweets and articles cited from left wing sources*
JPW: 'Why are we believing right wing talking points?'

#54 | Posted by Avigdore

I said it to a very specific quote.

If you're going to address me don't be a f*&^ing ------.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 04:57 PM | Reply

Go back and reread the posts.

Most were bashing the hearing itself as a waste of time.

Only the MSNBC analyst specifically went after Mueller's performance.

Probably because he couldn't bring himself to critique Dems on MSNBC.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 05:01 PM | Reply

Great job, Nancy, Jerry and Adam, you threw away your chance to start an impeachment inquiry.

#52 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-25 03:33 PM |

The concern trolling for impeachment has gotten old, roc. Tell your organ grinder to teach you a new dance if you want my quarters.

#57 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:07 PM | Reply

I don't need your quarters, Alex.

I have been consistent from the day the Report was released: Mueller gave the Dems all the evidence they need to impeach Trump for obstruction of justice, which they should have started immediately.

Nancy is too afraid of the Dems looking bad, so here we are.

#58 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:11 PM | Reply

roc- impeachment will fail, period. republican politicians are too afraid of trumps mouth breathing gun wielding idiot vase to do the right thing.

The dems will only start the process to mess up trumps re election. what choice do they have? they couldn't save merrick garland by playing by the rules.

#59 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:14 PM | Reply

"Mueller gave the Dems all the evidence they need to impeach Trump"

Sadly, Mueller was not able to give the Republicans all the evidence they need to impeach Trump.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 05:14 PM | Reply

vase = base. ------ phone.

#61 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:15 PM | Reply

#59

I don't agree, as Nadler supposedly pointed out to Pelosi in a closed door emergency meeting yesterday after the Muller testimony flopped:

"In the course of the wide-ranging discussion, Nadler countered Pelosi's pushback by noting that polls showed limited support for removing President Richard Nixon from office when the House began impeachment hearings against him in 1973, but that public support for the effort grew as more evidence came out about Nixon's behavior."

People forget that there are currently 9 sitting Senators that are Never Trump, and only 8 more would need to flip to convict.

I would take those odds.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:18 PM | Reply

I repeat: republican politicians are terrified of trumps base. In fear of their lives and careers.

#63 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:18 PM | Reply

#60

Stop highlighting your ignorance.

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:19 PM | Reply

#63

And once again, I disagree, and I would bet that once a compelling case was laid out against him, Mitt Romney would love to go to Trump and tell him "you have lost the support of your party."

Sound familiar?

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:20 PM | Reply

"9 sitting Senators that are Never Trump"

and if they're anything like drudges never trumpers, theyre busy normalizing or ignoring his horrible unpresidential behavior.

Lindsay Graham was a never trumper. Now he's trumps attack poodle.

#66 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:20 PM | Reply

sorry righttocenter-

your mythical republicans aren't going to save us.

#67 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:21 PM | Reply

my favorite picture of anti trump swashbuckler mitt romney:

www.newyorker.com

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:24 PM | Reply

#67

They won't get a chance unless Nancy starts an impeachment inquiry.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:30 PM | Reply

#66

If you don't think that Lindsey Graham wouldn't flip back faster than a young man fleeing his hotel room, you haven't been paying attention.

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:32 PM | Reply

whats stopping republicans from calling for impeachment en masse?

Their lack of resolve.

#71 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:33 PM | Reply

If you don't think that Lindsey Graham wouldn't flip back faster than a young man fleeing his hotel room, you haven't been paying attention.

#70 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-25 05:32 PM |

Not a chance. He's scared.

#72 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:34 PM | Reply

#71

The GOP is not the Majority, they can't start impeachment proceedings, nor would they. That is 100% on Nancy and the Dems.

And what is stopping the Dems from calling for impeachment en masse?

Their lack of resolve.

#73 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:36 PM | Reply

#72

LOL, he is a politician, Alex, he is going to do whatever is politically expedient for Lindsay Graham.

#74 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:37 PM | Reply

So poor republicans cant go on tv and call for trumps impeachment? bs.

Also bs- you, as a lawyer, pretending that mitch mcconnell plays fair in the senate and that impeachment will go anywhere.

Get a new line, counselor...this one is crap.

#75 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:38 PM | Reply

he is going to do whatever is politically expedient for Lindsay Graham.

#74 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-07-25 05:37 PM |

Any bets on him being compromised? i'm betting trump has photos.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 05:39 PM | Reply

"The GOP is not the Majority, they can't start impeachment proceedings"

All they can do is end impeachment proceedings with a vote of "Nay."

It's like they're powerless in this situation!

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 05:41 PM | Reply

#75

Once articles of impeachment are presented to the Senate, the trial must commence within 48 hours, so that tired talking point of McConnell not letting impeachment go forward is just plain wrong. After the trial starts (which is presented by House Dems) then it either proceeds to a conclusion or as we saw with Nixon, a resignation.

But since you have now shown your true colors on this issue we can put you in the Terrified of Looking Bad column with DNC Dan, Tonyaroma and Dorkus of Nothingham.

#78 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Once articles of impeachment are presented to the Senate, the trial must commence within 48 hours"

^
The trial itself can last forever. There's no sunset clause.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 05:54 PM | Reply

snoofy-

roc is pretending not to know that mitch mcconnell will bury any impeachment vote.

Either that or he's a ---- lawyer that can't see the forest for the trees. pick one.

#80 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 06:05 PM | Reply

"Terrified of Looking Bad "

yeah, on an anonymous blog.
terrified.
You -------.

#81 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 06:06 PM | Reply

roc is pretending not to know that mitch mcconnell will bury any impeachment vote.

That's the point, unless he changes longstanding Senate Rules, he can't. You need to update the talking points that you have been told to believe, because they are wrong.

#82 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:07 PM | Reply

#81

Struck a nerve?

Start impeachment now before it is too late.

Sorry that scares you.

#83 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:08 PM | Reply

why would it scare me you concern troll?

#84 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 06:09 PM | Reply

The trial itself can last forever. There's no sunset clause.
#79 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's going to end 5 years from now.

#85 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-25 06:09 PM | Reply

So you agree that impeachment proceedings should start immediately?

And here I thought you were buying into Nancy's slow roll strategy.

#86 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:10 PM | Reply

They should have already been started.

I honestly hate the democrats for their "don't try and lose automatically" strategy they're stuck on.

#87 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 06:12 PM | Reply

The GOP is not the Majority, they can't start impeachment proceedings, nor would they. That is 100% on Nancy and the Dems.

And what is stopping the Dems from calling for impeachment en masse?

Their lack of resolve.

#73 | Posted by Rightocenter

Or the fact that it's DOA in the Senate.

But don't let that intrude on your fantasy.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 06:14 PM | Reply

#87

I agree, they should have started them in April but every day they wait, the window closes.

Nancy now wants to wait to see what happens with the record subpoena lawsuits, which could take months.

History is not going to be kind to the Dems if Trump wins reelection and they haven't even tried to impeach him.

#89 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:15 PM | Reply

"Start impeachment now before it is too late."

You should have told that to House GOP leadership from 2016 to 2018.
Maybe they would have listened!

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 06:17 PM | Reply

#88

But its not, as I pointed out in #62, if the Never Trumpers hold the line, they only need to flip 8 GOP Senators to convict.

#91 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:17 PM | Reply

#90

Stop with that tired talking point, even Dorkus has dropped it by now.

#92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:18 PM | Reply

"they only need to flip 8 GOP Senators to convict."

It seems far more likely the Never Trumpers will not vote to convict, based on things like their support for Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 06:21 PM | Reply

"Stop with that tired talking point"

Why should anyone stop, when you won't stop with yours?

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 06:22 PM | Reply

#93

That could very well be, but we won't know unless articles of impeachment get presented to the Senate.

At this rate, that will never happen.

#95 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:22 PM | Reply

when you won't stop with yours?

Why should I stop demanding that impeachment proceedings commence to hold Trump accountable for obstruction of justice?

#96 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:23 PM | Reply

There is no way the GOP is going to call for impeachment if the Dems are too scared to do so, Alex. Please tell me you didn't steal DNC DNAN's donkey suit.

#97 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-25 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#97

To Alex's credit, he did concede in #87 that the Dems should have started impeachment proceedings months ago, but it does appear that Snoofy has stolen the Donkey Suit and is trying it on for size.

#98 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 06:51 PM | Reply

"Why should I stop demanding that impeachment proceedings commence to hold Trump accountable for obstruction of justice?"

Because you didn't demand Republicans do it?

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 06:52 PM | Reply

"There is no way the GOP is going to call for impeachment if the Dems are too scared to do so"

"Because Democrats are cowards too" isn't much of an argument.

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 07:01 PM | Reply

But its not, as I pointed out in #62, if the Never Trumpers hold the line, they only need to flip 8 GOP Senators to convict.
#91 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Can you name a piece of legislation where that's been achieved, let alone impeachment?

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 07:07 PM | Reply

#101 There have been a number of bipartisan bills passed in both the House and Senate.

#102 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-25 07:12 PM | Reply

What number of bills passed after 8 Republican Senators flipped?

I'm leaning towards zero.

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-25 07:16 PM | Reply

#101

Sure, how about H.R.3401 -- 116th Congress (2019-2020), The Supplemental Appropriations for Humanitarian Assistance and Security at the Southern Border Act, 2019.

#104 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 07:23 PM | Reply

#99

If Speaker Ryan had gotten Mueller's report I would have demanded it then as well.

Before the Report was released, it was just conjecture and speculation.

#105 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 07:25 PM | Reply

It looks like the Donkey Suit is fitting Snoofy just fine.

#106 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 07:32 PM | Reply

Only in the ass part.

#107 | Posted by Spork at 2019-07-25 07:45 PM | Reply

back to the article:

chuck todd is god awful. he must have incriminating material against his boss.

#108 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-25 07:52 PM | Reply

#108

He's always been terrible, I agree he has some leverage on someone at NBC.

#109 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 08:02 PM | Reply

He knows where Al Roker keeps the body parts.

#110 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-25 08:04 PM | Reply

Does that include the Head Boxes?

#111 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-25 08:23 PM | Reply

#101 There have been a number of bipartisan bills passed in both the House and Senate.

#102 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Wait. I thought you and Nulli love pointing out how the Dems aren't legislating, aka doing their jobs?

#112 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-25 11:26 PM | Reply

Optics? Hahahahaha.

#113 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-26 12:01 AM | Reply

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