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Friday, July 26, 2019

Highly redacted Senate Committee on Intelligence report: [Former Special Assistant to the President and Cybersecurity Coordinator Michael] told the Committee that by late August 2016, he had already personally concluded that the Russians had attempted to intrude in all 50 states, based on the extent of the activity and the apparent randomness of the attempts. "My professional judgment was we have to work under the assumption that they've tried to go everywhere, because they're thorough, they're competent, they're good."

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Now we get to see just how little of an American Donald Trump is.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-26 09:25 AM | Reply

Trump isn't going to do anything about this. He gets angry when people even talk to him about it; you can't bring it up in his presence. He hasn't admitted that the attacks happened in 2016, despite even yesterday. He's told the world on national that he supports Putin's denials on the subject, with Putin himself standing next to him grinning on TV. He's said he continues to be open to future Russian help. He's hoping that any foreign intervention in 2020 cuts his way.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-26 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

A Commander-In-Chief is expected to defend his own country. Trump can't get away from this responsibility but we know he will.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-26 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Meh."

---Orange Julius (Caesar)

#4 | Posted by anton at 2019-07-26 09:35 AM | Reply

Scarborough calls McConnell 'Moscow Mitch,' says lack of action on Russian meddling is 'un-American'

The hashtag "#MoscowMitch" quickly began trending on Twitter following his comments.

thehill.com

#MoscowMitch

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-26 09:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

WOW. 2016? Who was running the country then? Trump?

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-26 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Now we get to see just how little of an American Donald Trump is.
#1 | Posted by Zed

See # 6 zed. WTF iw wrong with your brain?

#7 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-26 09:51 AM | Reply

Clearly not. Trump didn't win all 50 states!

-mouth breathers

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-26 09:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

WOW. 2016? Who was running the country then? Trump?

#6 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Who's running it now, dipschitt.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-26 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sniper is ok with treason. We've known that for a long time but it is surprising to see him openly admit it. The Republican Party should be branded as a treasonous organization with the intent of destroying democracy and America.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Just made my first contribution to a candidate this year. -- MoscowMitch. Millions of Americans should pour millions of dollars into Kay McGrath's campaign and push MoscowMitch out the door once and for all. Stand up for American and rid this nation of traitors in our government.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 10:07 AM | Reply

One thing is clear to me today. The citizens of Puerto Rico are better citizens than those of us who live in the 50 states. Their piece of crap Governor finally caved into their demonstrations because they had the willingness to continue their demonstration en masse for as long as it takes. Meanwhile, here in the 50 states we have a traitor in the WH and as Majority Leader in the Senate but we aren't out in the streets. Viva Puerto Rico, congratulations to their brave and determined citizens! I just wish we, here in the 50 states, had half as much courage and willingness to stand up and demand the resignations of the treasonous cowards running this country.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Where is Comrade Shep today???

What say you now Comrade Shep???

Just a hoax and a Nothing burger??

Shall we mark your words??

It's a great little Democracy we have going here.

If only we can protect it from the Deplorables like Shep.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So every voting location in every state is compromised [there is not just one for each state] and I guess they got the territories too which also vote - really? I also note the key word: attempted.

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-07-26 10:24 AM | Reply

Good thing that they did not succeed as then hillary would have won.

#15 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-07-26 10:25 AM | Reply

Which party is blocking bills to improve election security in response to this threat?

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-26 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Now we get to see just how little of an American Donald Trump is.
#1 | Posted by Zed

See # 6 zed. WTF iw wrong with your brain?

#7 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-26

It accurately reports what it sees?

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-26 10:28 AM | Reply

WOW. 2016? Who was running the country then? Trump?

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2

Obama was running the country. Trump was taking help from the Russians.

Should Obama have taken Trump down at the time? I can only agree with this.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-26 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Who was running the country then? Trump?

#6 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Still haven't read the Report??

In 2016 Obama put sanctions on the Russians. Then...Immediately after, Flynn, Trumpy's National Security Advisor, got on the phone and COLLUDED with Pooty to not retaliate and HE promised Trumpy would get rid of those nasty sanctions. Pooty then had his minion call Flynn and tell him they would not retaliate because Flynn asked so nicely.

And Trump was not even Sworn in as President yet.

#ReadTheReport

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's hope the Iranians are better at election tampering than are the Russians...

#20 | Posted by catdog at 2019-07-26 10:31 AM | Reply

I also note the key word: attempted.

#14 | POSTED BY MSGT

Did you also note the word "practice"??

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 10:31 AM | Reply

Now we get to see just how little of an American Donald Trump is.
#1 | Posted by Zed

See # 6 zed. WTF iw wrong with your brain?

#7 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-26

It accurately reports what it sees?

#17 | POSTED BY ZED

Yeah!! What's wrong with your brain???

Why doesn't your brain believe in FoxNews "Alternate Facts"??

It's like you got an education and are determined to use it!!

Weird.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 10:35 AM | Reply

I've learned that, as a matter of history, EVERY major candidate for president has been offered help by the Russians. NONE have taken it.

Now comes Donald Trump.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-26 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Iran, if you are listening, I hope you can find Trump's missing tax returns. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-26 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 4

I've been saying this for years
The government isn't telling us everything they know about the interference
As time goes on more and more comes out
Now we learn that Russia had the ability to change vote tallies
Supposedly they didn't but I don't believe that
I believe they did
The implications to our democracy are massive
Our democracy is a joke

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Remember reality winner?
She is in prison for telling us a sliver of what was revealed today

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Senate Intel Committee Unveils Election Security Report In Wake Of Mueller Hearings
www.npr.org

..."Russian efforts exploited the seams between federal authorities and capabilities, and protections for the states," the Senate report found. "State election officials, who have primacy in running elections, were not sufficiently warned or prepared to handle an attack from a hostile nation-state actor."

In its report, the Senate intelligence committee says that must change.

Agencies at the federal, state and local level need to be more aware of cyberthreats and quicker to respond to them. And the committee provides several recommendations to help protect America's elections....


From the Committee's report:

...Russian cyber actors were in a position to delete or change voter data, but the Committee is not aware of any evidence that thev
did so....


#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-26 10:53 AM | Reply

Lamp do you think that the committee would say that they knew of changes even if there were?
Think of the ramifications if our intelligence agencies said that changes had occurred
I don't know if our democracy could stand it

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 10:56 AM | Reply

"I also note the key word: attempted."

Says the traitor to his own country. When you defend treaonous refusal to defend American elections you become treasonous yourself.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I for one am glad the Moscow Mitch and his gang of traitorous scum are blocking all election security bills in the Senate.

#30 | Posted by 726 at 2019-07-26 10:57 AM | Reply

Truthhurts states the obvious truth. If the Russians had helped Democrats this discussion would be entirely different. Don't forget, most of our news media is corporate owned and corporations received a huge bribe in the form of a tax cut to report things the way the GOP wants them to.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 10:59 AM | Reply

From the report:

"Based on what the IC knows about Russia's operating procedures and intentions more broadly, the IC assesses that Russia's activities against U.S. election infrastructure likely sought to further their overarching goal; undermining the integrity of elections and American confidence in democracy."

Notice how Trump is doing this himself as recently as this week at the Turning Point USA's Teen Student Action Summit:

"And when they're saying all of this stuff, and then those illegals get out and vote, because they vote anyway. Don't kid yourself. Those numbers in California and numerous other states, they're rigged. They've got people voting that shouldn't be voting. They vote many times, not just twice, not just three times. It's like a circle. They come back, they put a new hat on. They come back, they put a new shirt on. And in many cases, they don't even do that. You know what's going on. It's a rigged deal."

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-26 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5


#@28 ... Lamp do you think that the committee would say that they knew of changes even if there were? ...

Yes, but I suspect it may have been redacted.

Also note, as I read it, the access mentioned was essentially to the voter list, not the voting results.

#33 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-26 11:10 AM | Reply

"Lamp do you think that the committee would say that they knew of changes even if there were?"

I don't.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-26 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You know what's going on. It's a rigged deal."

But I haven't read or heard one single conservative call out that lie and they won't because they think lies like that help their side. Makes them liars too.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Manipulating voter data
Whatever that means

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 11:14 AM | Reply

Why can't the rightwingers simply tell the truth? Russia helped them insofar as they were able to in 2016, and have seriously ramped up their efforts for 2020. Is telling the truth really that hard for them?

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-26 11:16 AM | Reply

"Think of the ramifications if our intelligence agencies said that changes had occurred
I don't know if our democracy could stand it"

I'm not saying changes were made, but if they were, I don't think the public would be told for the reasons you state. Meanwhile, Trump can go around making up stories about illegals voting.

"When you are president, they let you do it. You can do anything."

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-26 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

paul ryan is now on the board of directors for fox news...mCconnell does biz with deripaska while blocking election security
on and on

#39 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-07-26 11:18 AM | Reply


@#36 ... Manipulating voter data ...

It's the metadata about the voter.

For example, the voter's name, address, party of registration, the times you vote, whether you are allowed to vote, etc. The data you supply when you sign up to vote.

#40 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-26 11:19 AM | Reply

WOW. 2016? Who was running the country then? Trump?
#6 | POSTED BY SNIP

That's fair. Let's look back at that time. Obama's admin was responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws that were in place. I would have liked to have seen them be more forceful on the issue. We can't do anything about that now.

What we can do is look at who was making the laws at a national level that governs election security then and who is currently responsible for enforcing them? Who was responsible for approving appropriations for improving election security. That was a GOP led congress. Now the House leadership has changed and they have done their part to pass a bill to address an issue. Now the ball is in the GOP led Senate's court. Will Moscow Mitch, the same man who blocked the Obama administration from speaking out about Russian interference in the 2016 campaign by refusing to sign on to a bipartisan statement of condemnation, do anything to make sure the laws are amended to account for what we now know about foreign interference?

Will Donald Trump, who has given his tacit approval of Russian involvement, do anything to protect our elections?

#41 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-07-26 11:21 AM | Reply

#41 - can we please look back at Mitch's actions at that time? In the context of what we know today, he was complicit with the Russians, and duplicitous in his words and actions.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-26 11:25 AM | Reply

Lamp if what you are saying is correct why bother stating that the Russians didn't change anything? Because accessing the data is incredibly important in and of itself

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 11:31 AM | Reply

Manipulating voter data
Whatever that means

It could mean changing individuals' registration information - removing or moving otherwise valid voter's from the roles. I believe that in most precincts these voters would not be turned away but forced to cast provisional ballots that would not be confirmed after the election, tacitly disenfranchising such voters in a manner that may not ring mass alarm bells.

And since Russia penetrated the DNC's database they had information which would allow them to target such database incursions to the places it would do the most good. This is what the Cambridge Analytica/Trump Tower/Devos-owned/Alfabank servers communication is believed to have been about. Russia had the stolen DNC information and possibly other state's as well, but didn't know how to most effectively use it towards their desired ends. So allegedly Cambridge Analytica played that role in the key states.

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-07-26 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Anyone who actually believes that Russians accessed voting data but didn't change anything....I have a large bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 11:38 AM | Reply


@#43 ... Because accessing the data is incredibly important in and of itself ...

I do not disagree.

The fact that they got that far into an election system is very troublesome. No, make that extremely troublesome.

#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-26 11:38 AM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-07-26 10:30 AM | FLAG: Help from Russia? Like this?

Bill Clinton did receive $500,000 to deliver a speech at a Russian bank that was promoting Uranium One stock, according to The New York Times, and the company's chairman donated $2.35 million to the foundation in four installments as Uranium One was being acquired by Rosatum between 2009 and 2013.

#47 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-07-26 11:41 AM | Reply

#44

It also empowered Cambridge to target the bot/internet traffic to specific voters in key states and precincts. And it wasn't always pro-Trump messaging, it was anti-Hillary stuff, pro-Bernie-got-screwed/Stein/Johnson things and anything they thought would ------ Clinton voters.

#48 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-07-26 11:41 AM | Reply

The implications to our democracy are massive
Our democracy is a joke

#25 | Posted by truthhurts

And it will seem alike a "joke" to you until you discover the type of government we have.

Hint: We arent a democracy.

#49 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-26 11:48 AM | Reply

Told you this back then. I think I was mentioning something about satistical oddities, especially in Michigan as someone who works with data everyday. Of course I was called Pollyanna by people with high school educations.

Hear me later believe me now. This ish is more jacked up than you could ever imagine. And the deplorables love it.

#50 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-07-26 11:48 AM | Reply

Our government can't stop robo calls. There is no group in D.C. that is willing or organized enough to stop something that may benefit them financially. This is all about power. The Republicans will use anything to their advantage, even if it means doing something wrong. Democrats have to do something other than wringing their hands and wallowing in ineptitude. If they do, they're going to blow it again.

#51 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-26 11:49 AM | Reply

So every voting location in every state is compromised [there is not just one for each state] and I guess they got the territories too which also vote - really? I also note the key word: attempted.

#14 | POSTED BY MSGT

Since you clearly didn't bother to read the report here is what it says. Russia was mapping out election related infrastructure in every state and looking for vulnerabilities. They penetrated some systems in some states and in at least one instance they gained a level of access that would have allowed them to change vote totals, though DHS denied they found any evidence that indicates any data was changed.

We know that one of Russia's goals is to disrupt the process and create mistrust. Whether they changed any data on a computer system is really secondary. What they are doing is giving people reason to distrust the election results so Russia can further divide the people. Russia wins when people lose faith in democratic institutions.

#52 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-07-26 11:51 AM | Reply

"Sniper is ok with treason. We've known that for a long time but it is surprising to see him openly admit it. The Republican Party should be branded as a treasonous organization with the intent of destroying democracy and America."

It's a good thing they recently reinstated the federal death penalty then, eh?

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 11:58 AM | Reply

Wow, things are getting desperate in the now failed Russia Narrative when Vanity Fair and Larry Tribe have to rehash already known facts from 2016 just to stoke the fauxrage.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-26 12:02 PM | Reply

"We know that one of Russia's goals is to disrupt the process and create mistrust. Whether they changed any data on a computer system is really secondary. "

Actually no, whether they actually altered data is far more important. Otherwise they were doing what every adversarial country does to each other, like standard espionage and spying and propaganda.

#55 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 12:03 PM | Reply

And it will seem alike a "joke" to you until you discover the type of government we have.
Hint: We arent a democracy.
#49 | Posted by boaz a

Ok, I had to breathe before I responded to this.

Either you are ignorant or intentionally ignoring the implications of my post.

Either way your point is an irrelevant response to my conclusion.

When foreign actors can change your vote, your voting is a joke.

Call our country a democracy or a representative republic doesn't change that simple fact.

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 12:06 PM | Reply

It could mean
#44 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Pure speculation. From the report:
"The Committee has seen no evidence that any votes were changed or that any voting machines were manipulated."

- And since Russia penetrated the DNC's database
We haven't seen the evidence for that either. In fact, neither has any gov't agency.

Also from the report:
"In itsreview ofthe 2016 elections,the Committee found no evidence that vote talieswerealteredorthatvoterregistryfilesweredeletedormodified,thoughtheCommittee and IC's insight into this is limited."

"Evidence of scanning of state election systems first appeared in the summer prior to the 2016 election. In mid-July 2016, Illinois discovered anomalous network activity, specifically a large increase in outbound data, on a Illinois Board of Elections' voter registry website.'" Working with Illinois,the FBI commenced an investigation.' The attack resulted in data exfiitration fromthe voter registration database."

Hillary won Illinois. With help from the Russians.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-26 12:06 PM | Reply

Told you this back then. I think I was mentioning something about satistical oddities, especially in Michigan as someone who works with data everyday. Of course I was called Pollyanna by people with high school educations.
Hear me later believe me now. This ish is more jacked up than you could ever imagine. And the deplorables love it.
#50 | Posted by bocaink

Remember back in 2004 or maybe 2000, when the exit polling for the presidency was, for the 1st time in history, completely different from the voting tallies? I do, and the implications of that are clear.

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, things are getting desperate in the now failed Russia Narrative when Vanity Fair and Larry Tribe have to rehash already known facts from 2016 just to stoke the fauxrage.
#54 | Posted by Rightocenter

Wow, so you consider the fact of Russia hacking a fauxrage. Shows where your morals lie.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-07-26 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Remember back in 2004 or maybe 2000, when the exit polling for the presidency was, for the 1st time in history, completely different from the voting tallies? I do, and the implications of that are clear."

That was 2004. Even I thought that was suspicious at the time. But Kerry couldn't challenge it because of the clusterfeck that Gore put the country through four years before.

#60 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 12:18 PM | Reply

"But Kerry couldn't challenge it because of the clusterfeck that Gore put the country through four years before."

What -----------, in the end it was learned that Gore absolutely did win the election in Florida. The SC knew it when they decided for Bush, that's why they accepted the theor that it would do igregious harm to the Bush campaign if the recount was allowed to continue.

#61 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Hillary won Illinois. With help from the Russians."

So says...a Russian.

#62 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 12:23 PM | Reply

A lot of the problems we have with electronic voting machines are in part due to the complaints about paper ballot voting in the 2000 election. Do we count a dimple or indentation or partial ink mark? Be careful what you wish for.

#63 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 12:24 PM | Reply

#61

Another example of Democrats rolling over when things get sticky. They don't deserve to win. Republicans do something even if it's wrong. Democrats cry while saying they tried their best. Keep losing.

#64 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-07-26 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

WOW. 2016? Who was running the country then? Trump?

#6 | POSTED BY Comrade and traitor Snippy

Who's been running the country since January 20th, 2017 and done nothing but lie about Russian interference that benefited only him?
That would be your boy Benedict Donald.

Go Deport yourself Snippy you Anti-American POS!

#65 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-26 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Another example of Democrats rolling over when things get sticky. They don't deserve to win. Republicans do something even if it's wrong. Democrats cry while saying they tried their best. Keep losing."

I don't want Democrats to become as corrupt as Republicans even if we continue to lose.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 12:31 PM | Reply

--Do we count a dimple or indentation or partial ink mark? Be careful what you wish for.

I'll go with paper ballots. Just because Florida Man can't count ballots doesn't mean the rest of us can't

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-26 12:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

WOW. 2016? Who was running the country then? Trump?
#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2
Obama was running the country. Trump was taking help from the Russians.
Should Obama have taken Trump down at the time? I can only agree with this.

#18 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-07-26 10:30 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 3

Not according to the Mueller report which was supposidely while it was being written the last word. Also the feds knew it was happening but did nothing so I guess according to Danni Obama should be tried for treason.

#68 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-26 12:34 PM | Reply

"I don't want Democrats to become as corrupt as Republicans even if we continue to lose."

You always talk this way when we're far from an election day. And when it comes you bring out the rationalizations.

#69 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-07-26 12:36 PM | Reply

#61- I would mark your post funny, but flags never seem to go through on my phone. Gore only would have won Florida by some imaginary counting standard that was not legal at the time of the election. He lost on the first recount and also after the hand recount of the 4 counties he went fishing in. Even moderate Democrats were getting sick of the circus he created. The fact is he could've asked for a statewide hand recount and had it completed in time, but he dragged his feet and let the deadline expire.

And now we all have to live with the unintended consequences of that.

#70 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, things are getting desperate in the now failed Russia Narrative when Vanity Fair and Larry Tribe have to rehash already known facts from 2016 just to stoke the fauxrage.
#54 | Posted by comrade and anti-American POS FakeLawyer

Failed Russian Narrative? LOL, it's no wonder you could only get your law degrees from Trump U and Beckkk U. You'd think with you claiming to be a "real lawyer" and all you would have read the Mueller report, instead of lying and pulling things out of your arse.

Do us all a favor, if you do actually live in America (which I'm highly starring to doubt) , Go Deport Yourself!

#71 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-26 12:40 PM | Reply

Just made my first contribution to a candidate this year. -- MoscowMitch. Millions of Americans should pour millions of dollars into Kay McGrath's campaign and push MoscowMitch out the door once and for all. Stand up for American and rid this nation of traitors in our government.

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-07-26 10:07 AM | FLAG:

Instead of getting in your daily lather actually look up and research why this did not pass. The Dems refused to take it to committee because it would have been tightened up with controls. They didn't want this to pass but knew it would get shut down procedurally and then the left would put it out there that the GOP shut it down (because they are in bed with the Russians) Why, because they know hampsters like Danni won't bother to check on it and are incapable of doing so.

#72 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-26 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

the GOP shut it down (because they are in bed with the Russians)

Some truth comes out in a rare moment!

#73 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-07-26 12:42 PM | Reply

"The Dems refused to take it to committee"

That's not the Dems call to make, not in the Senate. WTF are you talking about?

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-26 12:43 PM | Reply

Who's running it now, dipschitt.
#9 | Posted by jpw

WTF does that have to do with the 2016 election dipschitt.

#75 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-07-26 12:44 PM | Reply

Not according to the Mueller report which was supposidely while it was being written the last word. Also the feds knew it was happening but did nothing so I guess according to Danni Obama should be tried for treason.

#68 | POSTED BY Comrade Fishy P***y

STFU! You haven't read word one of the Mueller report you lying sack of crap.
Your boy Benedict Donald needs to be tried for treason. It's quite apparent you'd rather be Russian than American. Traitor!

#76 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-26 12:45 PM | Reply

It's part of their Cultural Marxism plot. They can destroy America that way if they can force a Democrat win.

#77 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-26 12:47 PM | Reply

"One thing is clear to me today. The citizens of Puerto Rico are better citizens than those of us who live in the 50 states."

This is exactly the type of statement that Trump and the RNC love to hear Democrats make. And they wonder why I call them useless idiots.

#78 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 12:47 PM | Reply

It concluded that while there was no evidence that any votes were changed in actual voting machines, "Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data" in the Illinois voter database. The committee found no evidence that they did so.

#79 | Posted by homerj at 2019-07-26 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Google DHS hacks State elections for Georgia, Indiana, Idaho.

Just keep looking and you'll see our own gov't was hacking.

So, was it colusion between DHS and Russia?

#80 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-07-26 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI

Instead of getting in your daily lather
#72 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Ok, I just threw up in mouth a little.

#81 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-26 12:59 PM | Reply

Ok, I just threw up in mouth a little.

#81 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

How much dotard DNA did you spew this time?

#82 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2019-07-26 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

*creeper alert*

#83 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-26 01:08 PM | Reply

Hint: We arent a democracy.

#49 | Posted by boaz

hint:

The United States is NOT a direct democracy.

The United States IS representative democracy, which IS a form of democracy.

in addition, to being a representative democracy, the United States is also a constitutional democracy (ANOTHER FORM OF DEMOCRACY)

The United States might be labeled a constitutional federal representative democracy.

But where one word is used, with all the oversimplification that this necessary entails, "democracy" and "republic" both work.

Any questions?

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 01:13 PM | Reply

Ok, I just threw up in (Trump's) mouth a little.

#81 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

FTFY

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 01:15 PM | Reply

The committee found no evidence that they did so.

#79 | Posted by homerj

All 50 states have different systems.

Practice makes perfect.

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 01:16 PM | Reply

"every adversarial country does to each other, like standard espionage and spying and propaganda.

#55 | POSTED BY SENTINEL"

Every adversarial country gained access to some of our election systems?

#87 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-07-26 01:25 PM | Reply

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections. There's no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time."
-Barack Obama

#88 | Posted by homerj at 2019-07-26 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#88 "Obama never said that you lying traitor. Even if he did I still wouldn't believe it liar" - Danni

#89 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-26 01:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

10 years from now, it will finally come out,
that they (the Ruskies) actually hacked the
legitimate results of the Diebold Election
machines, just enough in the states Hillary
needed to carry, to hand Dump the election...

Mark my words...

#90 | Posted by earthmuse at 2019-07-26 01:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Dems refused to take it to committee because it would have been tightened up with controls. They didn't want this to pass but knew it would get shut down procedurally and then the left would put it out there that the GOP shut it down (because they are in bed with the Russians) Why, because they know hampsters like Danni won't bother to check on it and are incapable of doing so.

#72 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

1. How do the Dems "take it to committee" when they are the minority party. Isn't that the GOP's responsibility?
2. Why does McConnell and GOP leadership not take Schumer up on his suggestion that the GOP bring a different elections security bill for debate?
3. Why did the Senator who blocked, Hyde-Smith, make no mention procedural issues and only said that Congress had already done enough.

#91 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-07-26 01:52 PM | Reply

Wisconsin: 22,748
Pennsylvania: 44,292
Michigan: 10,704

That was it. That's all it took for Trump to win the Electoral College. And Manafort fed the Russians the Trump internal polling data and details.

#92 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-26 02:01 PM | Reply

Good thing that they did not succeed as then hillary would have won.

#15 | POSTED BY MSGT

Does it hurt being this stupid?

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-26 02:03 PM | Reply

Does it hurt being this stupid?

POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-07-26 02:03 PM | REPLY

No considering ignorance is bliss.

#94 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-26 02:04 PM | Reply

"Every adversarial country gained access to some of our election systems?"

FTA: The primary activity undertaken by the Russian government, the report concludes, was the "scanning of election-related state infrastructure"

That's basically surveillance and spying.

#95 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 02:11 PM | Reply

A lot of the problems we have with electronic voting machines are in part due to the complaints about paper ballot voting in the 2000 election. Do we count a dimple or indentation or partial ink mark? Be careful what you wish for.

#63 | Posted by sentinel

Punch ballots were the problem, FL 2000.

Ever take a standardized test with multiple answers to choose from? You filled in a box or circle with a pen. It was later fed into a reader that tallied your answers. That's how ballots should printed. When there are disputes, you simply look at which answer was selected. And there's a paper trail should the tally ever come into question.

Voting like this would make everyone feel more secure that the final tallies were correct, unlike pure electronic machines where the data can be manipulated.

#96 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-26 02:26 PM | Reply

#96 - that's exactly what we have here.

#97 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-26 02:54 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-26 10:13 AM
I wish the voters in VA would do for their Democratic Governor (racist) and Democratic Lt. Governor (accused rapist) what Puerto Rico did with their Democratic Governor (corruption, misogyny, homophobia and attacks on the press).

#98 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-26 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Best quote from the report:
"In its review of the 2016 elections, the Committee found no evidence that vote tallies were altered or that voter registry files were deleted or modified".

#99 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-07-26 02:56 PM | Reply

I wish the voters in VA would do for their Democratic Governor (racist) and Democratic Lt. Governor (accused rapist) what Puerto Rico did with their Democratic Governor (corruption, misogyny, homophobia and attacks on the press).
#98 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Post of the Day. - should be nominated for Post of the Month.

The DR moral fakes won't even touch it.

#100 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-26 02:59 PM | Reply

Best quote from the report:
"In its review of the 2016 elections, the Committee found no evidence that vote tallies were altered or that voter registry files were deleted or modified".

#99 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Best intentionally stupid post of the day.

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-26 03:17 PM | Reply

That's basically surveillance and spying.

#95 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Yeah, just ignore the fact that they gained access to election systems in several states. Makes accepting the GOP blocking strengthening of election security laws more tolerable I guess.

#102 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-07-26 03:51 PM | Reply

Punch ballots were the problem, FL 2000.

The Supreme Court intervening on behalf of Republicans was the problem in 2000. Al Gore won that election.

Republicans cheating is the problem...can't win without it.

#103 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-07-26 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#84 | Posted by donnerboy

Nope, you are wrong. Here is an example of Democrats and liberals thinking that if they say something enough, it will become real, like that separation of church and state nonsense.

We are a constitutional republic.

We are only democratic at the local level.

Deal with it.

Class dismissed.

#104 | Posted by boaz at 2019-07-26 04:36 PM | Reply

#104 - The United States IS a Representative Democracy, not a direct democracy - as Donnerboy stated.
It's also a Democratic Republic because it has a Constitution that limits the power of the Government.

The best write-up for what the US is happens to be in World Atlas:

www.worldatlas.com

#105 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-26 05:00 PM | Reply

We are a constitutional republic.

We are only democratic at the local level.

Deal with it.

Class dismissed.

#104 | Posted by boaz

Go to the back of the class. And I might have to keep you late.

We are not a pure Republic just as we are not a pure democracy.

James Wilson, one of the main drafters of the Constitution and one of the first Supreme Court Justices, defended the Constitution in 1787 by speaking of the three forms of government being the "monarchical, aristocratical, and democratical," and said that in a democracy the sovereign power is "inherent in the people, and is either exercised by themselves or by their representatives." And Chief Justice John Marshall -- who helped lead the fight in the 1788 Virginia Convention for ratifying the U.S. Constitution -- likewise defended the Constitution in that convention by describing it as implementing "democracy" (as opposed to "despotism"), and without the need to even add the qualifier "representative."

books.google.com

The Federalist (No. 10), though even that first draws the distinction between "pure democracy" and a "republic," only later just saying "democracy." But even in that era, "representative democracy" was understood as a form of democracy, alongside "pure democracy": John Adams used the term "representative democracy" in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785; so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone; so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815. Tucker's Blackstone likewise uses "democracy" to describe a representative democracy, even when the qualifier "representative" is omitted.

avalon.law.yale.edu

But, in 2019 Boaz will definitely NOT use that term!

Gotcha!

#106 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-26 05:01 PM | Reply

"The Supreme Court intervening on behalf of Republicans was the problem in 2000."

7-2.

You guys keep making these dumb partisan hack arguments, still arguing the Sore-Loserman election from 20 years ago. It's no wonder so many people have tuned out and see this as just another attempt to reargue a past election. Like I said, useless idiots. You're actually helping Trump and Greyworm McConnell.

#107 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-07-26 06:51 PM | Reply

The Supreme Court intervening on behalf of Republicans was the problem in 2000.
#103 | POSTED BY CHUFFY

Yeah, but they only intervened because the Russians caused all of those fat and hanging chads.

#108 | Posted by Vaquero at 2019-07-26 07:45 PM | Reply

"Yeah, but they only intervened because the Russians caused all of those fat and hanging chads."

Play all the games you want but Bush was never elected but he did start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which are still ongoing and destroy the economy, caused the deaths of one million people, 4,000 Americans yet idiots still support him. Some folks can't learn.

#109 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-27 12:13 PM | Reply

#109 | POSTED BY DANNI

The Bush's and Obama's are best buddies these days. But you knew that.

#110 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-27 12:18 PM | Reply

Once again Joke pretends personal friendships are indicative of policy.
I don't care who Michelle Obama is friends with, I do care that GEorge W. Bush is responsible for the deaths of one million people. Nothing can change that, nothing can excuse that. I can never forgive that. Who the Obamas choose to hang out with not-withstanding. Personally, I could not tolerate his presence. He said he would go to war with Iraq as Gov. of Texas, and he said his reason was to gain enough power to privatize Social Security which he actually campaigned all over the country to try and accomplish. That is a fact. He happily sacrificed the lives of 4000 Americans and 1 million Iraqis in his failed quest, how the Obama's tolerate his presence I do not understand nor do I accept it. They have to make their choices in life and I have to make mine but George W. Bush deserves to be brought up on war crimes trial at the Hague, along with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and the rest of the cabal.
Joke will have some idiotic reply but only prove the accurateness of the new nickname.

#111 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-27 12:29 PM | Reply

"We are a constitutional republic."

Do we hold elections Boaz? Case closed stupid. Quit repeating that idiotic talking point designed, on the right, to diminish the importance of democracy.
Ask yourself one question, why do Republicans want to pretend that the United States is not a democracy? Really, why is that so important to them? Think about it.

#112 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-27 12:37 PM | Reply

"Ask yourself one question, why do Republicans want to pretend that the United States is not a democracy? "

That answer is simple: as Republicans continue to lose the battle of ideas in our democracy, don't look for them to rethink their ideas...

...look for them to rethink democracy.

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-27 12:44 PM | Reply

he Bush's and Obama's are best buddies these days. But you knew that.

#110 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Remember when opponents battled during the day and then boozed TOGETHER at night?

Do you agree there was such a day? Maybe there were moments in space/time when America was Great and did Great Things.

If there were then...that, my comrade/friend, was when America was Great.

Not the weird hateful dystopian space/time where Trump is taking us.

#114 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-27 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donnerboy's post says it all, he describes well the reasons Obama would now associate with the Bush family. Bush was misguided, even evil, but compared to Trump he was a saint.

#115 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-27 01:38 PM | Reply

Bush was misguided
#115 | POSTED BY DANNI

Bush is a war criminal that lied us into 2 decades of murder and plunder.
You're an idiot Danni, and Donner is your wingman. They should name Drones after you two.

The Danni and Donner Freedom Drone - Dropping Some Luvin 4 U

#116 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-27 02:00 PM | Reply

Illegal Immigrants are targeting our elections with the help of the Dems

#117 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-07-27 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

told the Committee that by late August 2016, he had already personally concluded that the Russians had attempted to intrude in all 50 states,

that was under Obama's watch. Obama was warned about this back in 2014

#118 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-07-27 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bush is a war criminal that lied us into 2 decades of murder and plunder.
You're an idiot Danni, and Donner is your wingman. They should name Drones after you two."

But compared to Trump....really? I don't even have to make a post, the name Trump is synonymous with corruption.

#119 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-27 03:21 PM | Reply

"Illegal Immigrants are targeting our elections with the help of the Dems"

There isn't a shred of evidence to support that utterly stupid talking point. But morons like you will continue to repeat it because that is what morons do. Trump appointed Kris Kobach to investigate voter fraud, he couldn't produce evidence of it. Now that worthless piece of filth is running for the Senate, I pray to God he loses.

#120 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-27 03:44 PM | Reply

>Russians had attempted to intrude
DNC is trying their best to get a do-over for 2016. I am not approve.

#121 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-07-28 04:51 AM | Reply

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