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Sunday, August 04, 2019

Julian Castro: "The second thing is we need to enact common sense gun reform. I just want your -- your viewers to think about this. This happened in Texas, where we have concealed carry, we have open carry, we have campus carry, we have one of the highest rates of gun ownership. That shooter knew that he was walking into a situation where a lot of folks there could be carrying a weapon. That didn't stop him. The answer is not more guns. The answer is to make sure that these weapons of war, these semiautomatic weapons, don't get into the hands of people who go and use them on the street and that we do a renewed assault weapons ban, universal background checks, red flag laws that can keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them that are going to be a danger to themselves or to somebody else, and that we limit the capacity of magazines. In one of these situations we don't want somebody to be able to get off 25 rounds in a heartbeat."

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I don't recall news about anyone in the Walmart who had fired back. This means that only a small percentage of carry owners can go from shopping for duct tape to accurately aiming and firing across several aisles to slow a shooter down.
Gun ownership doesn't guarantee success. It might be easier to swing a barbel from sporting goods.

The movie Bowling for Columbine is an excellent refresher course that shows absurd depictions of inexperienced owners running through the assumption mill that convinces them that guns solve problems. Military recruitment efforts seem to be tied to gun ownership in civilian society so of course guns can do no wrong.

#1 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-08-05 12:53 AM | Reply

This means that only a small percentage of carry owners can go from shopping for duct tape to accurately aiming and firing across several aisles to slow a shooter down.

Gun ownership doesn't guarantee success. It might be easier to swing a barbel from sporting goods.

Well said!

Can't recall any mass shooting where a civilian 'good guy with a gun' stopped a mass shooting.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-05 03:25 AM | Reply

Open carry allows small men to intimidate men others in casual interactions. The guns aren't worn for public protection.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-05 08:05 AM | Reply

#3 - ah.
The revision and revival of the codpiece.
If only.

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-05 08:21 AM | Reply

#2 You're not trying very hard.

www-m.cnn.com

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-05 08:33 AM | Reply

Can't recall any mass shooting where a civilian 'good guy with a gun' stopped a mass shooting.

#2 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-08-05 03:25 AM | FLAG:

If the response is fast, it's not a mass shooting.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 08:40 AM | Reply

f the response is fast, it's not a mass shooting.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 08:40

Police responded in Dayton in much less than a minute. Nine dead anyway. Helps if you intend to do murder to have a semi-automatic weapon.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-05 08:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm EMBARRASSED, Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA"
--Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, October 2015

#8 | Posted by catdog at 2019-08-05 09:03 AM | Reply

Police responded in Dayton in much less than a minute.

#7 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-08-05 08:52 AM | FLAG:

Yeah, a gun stopped the guy with a gun.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 09:07 AM | Reply

Texan's who "open carry" are COWARDS who are merely compensating for some personal SHORTCOMING.

#10 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-08-05 09:35 AM | Reply

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Yeah, a gun stopped the guy with a gun.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019

Kill ratio was 9:1 in favor of the man "stopped".

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-05 10:32 AM | Reply

Yeah police are really slow in an emergency.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 10:39 AM | Reply

Your slavish devotion to a ridiculous narrative is making you look foolish, Sitz.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-05 11:01 AM | Reply

Chicago's tough gun laws don't stop over 500 murders every year.

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-05 11:54 AM | Reply

Can't recall any mass shooting where a civilian 'good guy with a gun' stopped a mass shooting.
#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Wrong!!!!!!!!!

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-05 11:55 AM | Reply

The guns aren't worn for public protection.
#3 | Posted by Zed

You would be dead if the cops came in and you had a gun in your hand.

#16 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-05 11:57 AM | Reply

You would be dead if the cops came in and you had a gun in your hand.

#16 | Posted by Sniper

...if you're black or brown.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chicago's tough gun laws don't stop over 500 murders every year.

#14 | Posted by Sniper

Yup. Excellent proof that local gun laws are pointless, only national laws work.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 12:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah, they worked great in the war on drugs. Now lets double down, we haven't beaten the minority pinata hard enough yet.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 12:38 PM | Reply

You would be dead if the cops came in and you had a gun in your hand.

#16 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-05 11:57 AM | Reply

Just weird.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-05 12:46 PM | Reply

Someone made a comment that killers never attack armed groups, whereas the obvious truth is that they don't care how many guns there are out there or might be.

Open-carry people are making a fashion statement. Or they're looking for some form of attention. Or they're daring someone to say something. They are not, nor do they wish to be, any sort of deterrent.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-05 12:55 PM | Reply

Open Carry is part of fragile white identity politics.
No different than Rolling Coal.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 12:57 PM | Reply

Watching trump condemn racist hate is like watching the koolaid man condemn sugar.

You can tell how much it pains him to speak words that go against everything he believes.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah, they worked great in the war on drugs. Now lets double down, we haven't beaten the minority pinata hard enough yet.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg

There is no primal urge for guns like there is a primal urge for intoxication. People will always find ways to get high. They dont HAVE to seek out guns if they dont have one.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 01:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#16 | Posted by Sniper
...if you're black or brown.

If you are any person or any color.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-05 02:42 PM | Reply

They dont HAVE to seek out guns if they dont have one.

#24 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-08-05 01:03 PM | FLAG:

You'll never have a corner in Chicago with that attitude.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 03:00 PM | Reply

Jus curious why so many people are bringing up Chicago, here and elsewhere. Chicago doesn't have the highest violent crime rate in the country. That would be...SAINT LOUIS, in a red state. Oh, you mean ONLY homicide rates? That would be...SAINT LOUIS. Oh, you mean only number of gun homicides?
TEXAS had 2490 while Illinois had 1018 in 2018.
worldpopulationreview.com

Murder is also at historical (50-year) lows, which makes mass murder by assault-type weapons more remarkable.
www.thetrace.org

What about the most deadly states for gun deaths? THE TOP FIVE ARE AL RED STATES
worldpopulationreview.com

But, it is soooo easy to pick on Chicago, and why do the GOP do that?
Probably because Obama is from Chicago, and also because Chicago has the reputation...not really deserved.

#27 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-08-05 03:45 PM | Reply

Jus curious why so many people are bringing up Chicago

#27 | POSTED BY E1G1 AT 2019-08-05 03:45 PM | REPLY

Because in Chiraq savages scramble eggs with AKs, put it on Youtube, then make a song about it and put the song on Youtube.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 05:46 PM | Reply

Home of Drill Music. At one point police were on the lookout for a guy with an AT-4 missile launcher.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 05:49 PM | Reply

"Jus curious why so many people are bringing up Chicago"

Because they want it to be the crucible for Democrat plans to reduce gun violence.

It's the same reason Zatoichi kept bringing up safe El Paso and deadly neighboring Ciudad Juárez.

Because they have no successes of their own, the best they can do is point out a failure they think they're not a a part of.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 05:53 PM | Reply

But, it is soooo easy to pick on Chicago, and why do the GOP do that?
Probably because Obama is from Chicago, and also because Chicago has the reputation...not really deserved.

#27 | Posted by e1g1

Because trump's cult is a bunch of parrots. He whines about chicago, they all whine about chicago. He whines about baltimore, they whine about baltimore. YOu see it on this very site. No one talked about baltimore til trump whined about it, suddenly they're all experts on baltimore.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 06:01 PM | Reply

#31 it's not just Trump they parrot.

No one, and I mean no one, talked about transgenders using the bathroom until North Carolina Republicans passed a law targeting transgenders.

Then it became a crusade for people like JeffJ and the rest of the Deplorables.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No one talked about baltimore til trump whined about it, suddenly they're all experts on baltimore.
#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

So Baltimore is the shining example that democrats want to hold up as a model for the rest of the country?

Or are you just lashing out from the butthurt of being humiliated?

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-05 06:09 PM | Reply

are you just lashing out from the butthurt of being humiliated?
#33 | POSTED BY SHERP

That's definitely what Trump was doing when he attacked Baltimore.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-05 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So Baltimore is the shining example that democrats want to hold up as a model for the rest of the country?"

Trump is a Democrat?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:12 PM | Reply

why so many people are bringing up Chicago
#27 | POSTED BY E1G1

It justifies gun violence.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-05 06:13 PM | Reply

So Baltimore is the shining example that democrats want to hold up as a model for the rest of the country?

Or are you just lashing out from the butthurt of being humiliated?

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You think you humiliated me? I laugh at you all day every day.

I need more. Please continue acting like democrats are the ones who are worse on gun control. That's my new fav.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If only Texas had strict gun laws like Chicago.......

#38 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-08-05 06:20 PM | Reply

"If only Texas had strict gun laws like Chicago......."

Oh I see.
So you're saying "strict" local gun laws, like Chicago, or lax local gun laws, like Texas, make no difference.

Nothing can be done.
The shootings will continue.
There's no "until." The shootings will simply continue.
#MAGA

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:24 PM | Reply

Nothing can be done.
The shootings will continue.

#39 | POSTED BY House Democrats

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-05 06:26 PM | Reply

"House Democrats"

Again, no mention of the other party.
Why is that?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:27 PM | Reply

The NRA owns them, Snoofy. SO take it to the people. Pass a sweeping gun control bill, go on TV and sell it to the public. 24/7. non-stop.

Have crying children read the names of the dead. Show some blood from the crime scenes. Get the stick out and start beating the bushes for support.

But no, Spineless Democrats will keep the status quo just as another school year gets ready to start.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-05 06:35 PM | Reply

"Have crying children read the names of the dead."

Last time kids read about an injustice, you said the children themselves were being wielded as a cudgel.
Give it a rest already.
Nobody believes you.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:44 PM | Reply

Nothing can be done.

#39 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-08-05 06:24 PM | FLAG:

300,00 new CHL permit holders per year in Texas for the last 4. It's wild, they even give them to minorities who open carry in the streets with Modern Sporting Carbines.

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 06:44 PM | Reply

Nobody believes you.
#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Nobody believes your party's lies about their care and concern for mass-shooting victims.

Until they propose gun control, they're concern trolling.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-05 06:46 PM | Reply

#39 | POSTED BY House Democrats

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Here's a bill! - house democrats

So what? - senate republcicans

Dems fault! - russian morons

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 06:47 PM | Reply

"300,00 new CHL permit holders per year in Texas for the last 4"

That's not going to change much.

"When adjusted for the population size, five of the deadliest 10 states are in the South, and six are among the 10 poorest U.S. states." www.usatoday.com

28. Texas

Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 12.1 per 100,000
Total firearm deaths 2016: 3353 (suicides: 2016, homicides: 1222)
Violent crime rate: 434.4 per 100,000 (17th highest)
Permit required to carry handgun: Yes
Poverty rate: 15.6% (12th highest)

Violent crime rate: 434.4 per 100,000 (17th highest)

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:50 PM | Reply

"Nobody believes your party's lies about their care and concern for mass-shooting victims."

Six states and DC currently have a mixed ban on semi-auto rifles, pistols, and shotguns.
Assault weapons legislation in the United States
#90 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-05 06:51 PM | Reply

Please continue acting like democrats are the ones who are worse on gun control. That's my new fav.

Denying reality is all Sherp and his deplorable ilk have going for them.

If they continuously blame democrats for everything. They don't have to admit how much worse Republicans make life for Americans.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-05 06:54 PM | Reply

But, it is soooo easy to pick on Chicago, and why do the GOP do that?
Probably because Obama is from Chicago, and also because Chicago has the reputation...not really deserved.

#27 | Posted by e1g1

Probably because of things like this....

#50 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-08-05 06:58 PM | Reply

chicago.cbslocal.com

The link would help....

#51 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-08-05 07:16 PM | Reply

chicago.cbslocal.com

The link would help....

#51 | Posted by 101Chairborne

if that kind of thing proves democrats are bad, then the larger number of opiate deaths in west virginia towns prove republicans are bad.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-05 07:33 PM | Reply

That's not going to change much.

#47 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-08-05 06:50 PM | REPLY

We'll see where the stats go, since they are one of the few states to mandate recording them. 10 new bills making gun laws even more lenient passed and take effect next month.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-05 07:47 PM | Reply

Inner cities have always had a sizable number of poor people who have come from dysfunctional situations. They gather in cities to be closer to support mechanisms. But there's so much hopelessness, and the solutions feel out of reach for many. Go to any major city anywhere, including those in which Republicans are in charge, and let me know if they've mastered all the complex problems endemic to urban areas..

The answer, of course, is that they haven't. There are good and dedicated people, in both the public and private sectors, from all political persuasions, who bust their tails every day, because they know that even one starfish saved is better than zero. But our coldhearted world of cellphones and apps and forms and regulations is difficult for people who lack degrees or have an abusive spouse or a kid on drugs, and who consider a good day one in which everybody in the house got to eat.

But we are talking today about random mass murder. As bad as the shootings are in Chicago and other major cities -- and they are bad -- they're not really the same thing as pseudo-macho waste-oids hellbent on retribution for perceived slights from minorities and women, guys who seem to see the current president as at least a little sympathetic to their self-centered, to-hell-with-the-rules mindset.

So let's not be disingenuous about our newfound concern for the streets of Chicago.

#54 | Posted by cbob at 2019-08-05 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But we are talking today about random mass murder.

#54 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2019-08-05 08:13 PM | REPLY |

Well it's tomorrow.

In 2019 so far in incidents with 4+ people shot, 3/4 of them occur in the inner city and are drug related.

Ending prohibition is easier than a Constitutional Convention and defunds the primary source of violence in the entire country.

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-06 08:54 AM | Reply

Outlawing guns would be as effective as outlawing drugs.

They never learn.

#56 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-06 09:14 AM | Reply

This happened in Texas, where we have concealed carry, we have open carry, we have campus carry, we have one of the highest rates of gun ownership. That shooter knew that he was walking into a situation where a lot of folks there could be carrying a weapon. That didn't stop him. The answer is not more guns. - Posted by rcade at 09:53 PM | 56 COMMENTS

Counterpoint:
What happened last week in California, where we have extremely small amounts of concealed carry, we have extremely small amounts of open carry, we don't allow campus carry, we have one of the lowest rates of gun ownership with some of the strictest requirements to own and purchase weapons. The shooter knew that he was walking into a situation where a lot of folks would be defenseless, but he'd be breaking laws. That didn't stop him. The answer is not more laws.

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-06 09:30 AM | Reply

The answer is not more laws.

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-06 09:30 AM | Reply

Given Texas, strictly following your logic, the answer is not more guns.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-06 09:59 AM | Reply

Why have any laws then? People just ignore them. Let the markets decide, amirite?

#59 | Posted by cbob at 2019-08-06 11:27 AM | Reply

Open carry allows small men to intimidate men others in casual interactions. The guns aren't worn for public protection.

#3 | POSTED BY ZED

Truth is, if we are both legally carrying, get into an argument, and you make a move for your gun, I'm going to shoot you. Conceal and Carry won't protect you, it gets you killed.

Want proof? Ask Philando Castile.

#60 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-06 12:52 PM | Reply

Why have any laws then?

#59 | POSTED BY CBOB AT 2019-08-06 11:27 AM | FLAG:

To ---- on minorities. Haven't you read US history?

#61 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-06 08:14 PM | Reply

Yeah police are really slow in an emergency.

#12 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2019-08-05 10:39 AM

They were faster than all the Texan "good guys with guns" many of who were in the store when the shooting started. Texas' gun ownership rate is 35.7% so there were likely 357 gun owners in the store. None of them ran towards the shooter

#62 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-06 08:37 PM | Reply

I love how you just make up the math. 35.7% guns in the store lol. Besides the funny math, 30.06 sign much? Wally World haz dem. Keep going. You will win so many over.

#63 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-06 09:12 PM | Reply

Huh.

"At Walmart, the official company policy regarding open carry is that customers are allowed to bring visible handguns into the store, but that store staff are responsible for verifying that the customer has a proper license for the weapon." www.texasmonthly.com

That's wrong?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 10:23 PM | Reply

You are wrong. Google 30.06 sign and try again.

#65 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-07 07:58 AM | Reply

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