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Tuesday, August 06, 2019

Prosecutors in El Paso, Texas, will seek the death penalty for the man suspected of killing 20 people and injuring more than two dozen others. U.S. Attorney John Bash said they will pursue a criminal investigation, a civil rights hate crime investigation and "domestic terrorism" charges against the suspect, who was identified as 21-year-old Patrick Crusius.

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Gee, ya think? I think it's up to 22 dead now....

And look at the CNN videos. That's unholy. Cops in one minute. Hail of gunfire. Using handguns.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-06 03:38 PM | Reply

Capital punishment is barbaric and doesn't solve or prevent anything.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2019-08-06 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#2 Agreed. Life w/o parole in a SuperMax is plenty of punishment.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-06 04:05 PM | Reply

"Life w/o parole in a SuperMax is plenty of punishment."

I think it would be worse than death. Especially for a young man with many years to live.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-06 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Fry the coward until he is dead, and then fry him again!

#5 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-06 04:26 PM | Reply

Why should I have to pay to support the life of a freeloader who murdered dozens of people?

And more disturbingly why should he have the right to vote?

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-06 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In related news Bernie Sanders not only doesn't want the mass murderer to be executed but wants him to be able to vote."

You're not this stupid, Tor.
Except when you feel Christians are being persecuted.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 04:31 PM | Reply

Life imprisonment.






In a Mexican prison.

#8 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-08-06 04:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Don't be vindictive. It wasn't his fault he was born that way.

I'd even spring for a new rope.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-06 04:52 PM | Reply

"Capital punishment is barbaric and doesn't solve or prevent anything.
#2 | POSTED BY QCP"

True, but that describes most GOP policies.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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#10 | Posted by snoofy

Well it doesn't prevent anything, but it is mercy.

#11 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-06 05:04 PM | Reply

Snoof I frankly wish I was just being stupid.

In reality though:

'Harvard student Anne Carlstein asked Sanders whether "people like the Boston Marathon bomber" should have the right to vote.

"I think the right to vote is inherent to our democracy, even for terrible people," Sanders replied.'

boston.cbslocal.com

That's right Sanders said mass murderers should have the right to vote.

That includes the El Paso POS.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-06 05:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

mercy
compassion or forgiveness shown toward someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm.

Murdering prisoners isn't mercy. But I wouldn't expect a Trumper to understand.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:08 PM | Reply

Thanks Tor.
I stand corrected.
I also agree with the point Sanders is making, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea to have polling places in the jails and prisons. Jails is an easier sell.

During a CNN town hall on Monday, Sanders was asked if he'd even support enfranchising domestic terrorists such as the Boston Marathon bomber.

"If somebody commits a serious crime, sexual assault, murder, they're going to be punished. They may be in jail 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, their whole life," Sanders said in response. "That's what happens when you commit a serious crime."

"But I think the right to vote is inherent to our democracy. Yes, even for terrible people, because once you start chipping away ... you're running down a slippery slope," Sanders added. "I believe even if they are in jail, they're paying the price to society, that should not take away their inherent American right to participate in our democracy." www.businessinsider.com

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This isn't the central part 5 there is no disputing that we know who committed mass murder or that he drove 600 miles to kill people for having the wrong skin color.

Why should we allow those who survived his attempted murder to be revictimized via supporting his being alive?

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-06 05:16 PM | Reply

I'm shocked that The DR's #1 Bernie Bro hasn't made Felon Voting an issue the Democrats need to lead on.
Shocked!

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:16 PM | Reply

Sorry I thought you wrote to me earlier Snoof.

Forget the preceding post.

I'm really much more concerned about giving convicted murderers the right to vote than I am the death penalty.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-06 05:17 PM | Reply

"Why should we allow those who survived his attempted murder to be revictimized via supporting his being alive?"

Revictimized?
People being alive in prison causes victimization?
Sorry, but that's the victim's problem.
They can get a gun and solve their problem if it bothers them so much, just like the person who victimized them did.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:17 PM | Reply

I give up we're going to end up posting wrong till one goes away.

It'll be me.

#19 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-06 05:18 PM | Reply

"I'm really much more concerned about giving convicted murderers the right to vote than I am the death penalty."

Plenty of murderers get to vote.
Boaz for example.
*yawn*

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:18 PM | Reply

Tor, considering the well-known and widespread biases in the criminal justice system, don't you think there's an argument to be made about systemic disenfranchisement?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 05:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- systemic disenfranchisement

More victims!

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-06 05:48 PM | Reply

Very European of Snoofy, putting up mass killers in a comfortable cottage with video games like Brevik.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-06 08:59 PM | Reply

You're not this stupid, Tor.
Except when you feel Christians are being persecuted.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-06 04:31 PM

What tor is not saying is in his own country Cannada prisoners are allowed to vote.

#24 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-07 01:55 AM | Reply

Too many Twinkies.

#25 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-08-07 03:20 AM | Reply

For piece of ---- like this, life in prison in near isolation is far worse than a quick clean death. No glory. Anonymity. Loneliness. Brain rotting despair.

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-07 05:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"In Texas, we have the death penalty and we use it! That's right. You come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back! That's our policy. They're trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where there's more than 3 credible eyewitnesses. That means that if three or more people saw you do what you did, you don't sit on Death Row for 15 years, Jack! You go straight to the front of the line. Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in the express lane!" - Ron White

#27 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-07 06:13 AM | Reply

"That's right. You come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back!"

Unless, of course, if your name is George W. Bush. Take you phony baloney and cram it. You empowered George W. Bush who told everyone he was going to start a war in Iraq, because wartime Presidents have more power and he was going to use that power to privatize Social Security and folks like you didn't stand up and object. Go sit in the corner with the other psychopants, you don't have a right to pretend to have scurples now. You gave up that right when you allowed Bush to do as he wished, sacrivided 4000 American lives and probably 1,000,000 Iraqi lives. He paints pretty pictures in Dallas today but he belongs at the Hague.
If it were some other nation than the U.S. he probably would be there right now. We don't allow our leaders to be treated as war criminals even though that is what they are and Mustang supports this, I'd be ashamed. There is no excuse for anyone who supported the Iraq invasion, y'all are just as guilty as Bush.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-07 07:08 AM | Reply

#28 - Relax. He was quoting a comedian (Ron White) for brevity's sake. Not stating his own views explicitly.

#29 | Posted by hoser at 2019-08-07 07:27 AM | Reply

For piece of ---- like this, life in prison in near isolation is far worse than a quick clean death. No glory. Anonymity. Loneliness. Brain rotting despair.

#26 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2019-08-07 05:40 AM | FLAG:

and out comes the torture crowd.

Lets compromise. I say just shoot him and lets move on, but if you feel like he needs to suffer, you can gut shot him.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-07 07:59 AM | Reply

You empowered George W. Bush who told everyone he was going to start a war in Iraq, because wartime Presidents have more power and he was going to use that power to privatize Social Security - #28 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-07 07:08 AM

Citation for that tidbit you pulled from your hard-to-reach places?

#31 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-07 08:25 AM | Reply

For piece of ---- like this, life in prison in near isolation is far worse than a quick clean death. No glory. Anonymity. Loneliness. Brain rotting despair.
#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-07 05:40 AM

Translation: moder8 supports torture of people (s)he doesn't like.
Whoda'thunkit?

#32 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-07 08:30 AM | Reply

I think for this execution, the legislature might pass a law allowing the execution to be televised live. It is being considered. Hell I think that would be a valuable deterrence, but to hell with that clean clinical injection, let him be hanged. Let it be done incorrectly so we can watch him kick for a few minutes.

#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-07 09:49 AM | Reply

#28. Jesus H Christ, Danni. Did you run out of chill pills today?

#34 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-07 11:58 AM | Reply

Capital punishment is barbaric and doesn't solve or prevent anything.
#2 | Posted by qcp

Funny. It would assure he would never do any thing bad ever again.

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-07 12:09 PM | Reply

That's right Sanders said mass murderers should have the right to vote.
That includes the El Paso POS.
#12 | Posted by Tor

Majority of Dems Back Boston Bomber Voting
May 1, 2019 Daniel Greenfield

The Democrats as a political movement are rushing into deeper extremes with no breaking point. But their base is happy enough to endorse whatever crazy policy idea is being mainstreamed today.
The ACLU decided to open the Overton Window and endorse prisoners voting.
Bernie Sanders became the only major 2020 candidate to endorse the Boston Bomber vote. And the Quinnipiac poll shows a majority of Dems are for prisoners voting.
While respondents overall oppose prisoners voting by 65% to 31%, among Democrats a majority, 50% support while 46% oppose.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-07 12:16 PM | Reply

Sitzkrieg, you make the very wrong assumption that I support either the death penalty or life in near isolation in a supermax preison. I don't. They both are cruel and unusual in my opinion. It is when you assign positions and make assumptions about another person that any mature discussion withers.

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-07 01:09 PM | Reply

"Murdering prisoners isn't mercy. But I wouldn't expect a Trumper to understand.

#13 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

No one is advocating murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. Capital punishment is legal and therefore cannot be murder. But I wouldn't expect a drama queen to understand.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 02:04 AM | Reply

""He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade...if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker."

www.commondreams.org

And if you don't remember Bush's nationwide tour to privatize SS then you aren't even worthy of having a political discussion with.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-08 07:09 AM | Reply

"Majority of Dems Back Boston Bomber Voting"

Just another lie from Sniper.

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-08 02:27 PM | Reply

"Murder is the unlawful taking of a human life. Capital punishment is legal and therefore cannot be murder."

Executing prisoners isn't mercy either. But I wouldn't expect a Trumper to understand.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 04:09 PM | Reply

#41 | Posted by snoofy, What ever you sow, you shall harvest. Murders have decided that they had the right to end someone's life. It seems more than fair that the state should have the same power for those individuals who make that choice. The same state has the power to send you down range to face an armed enemy where the chance of death or geting wounded is common, so the state can tell someone to go kill and maybe die, but can't rid us of someone who plays God with the innocent?

#42 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-08 04:20 PM | Reply

One of the biggest problems with the death penalty is that defendants have been, too often been represented by incompetent attorneys, exculpatory evidence has been suppressed and the wrong person has been executed too many times.
For a long time, many years, proponents of the death penalty denied that but within the past two decades it has been proven far more times than you would like to think.
And never forget Donald Trump taking out full page newspaper ads calling for the death penalty for the Central Park Five all of whom were proven innocent and he still won't admit his error and his racial prejudice which motivated him in the first place.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-09 07:25 AM | Reply

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