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Thursday, August 08, 2019

A 41-year-old Detroit man deported to Iraq in June died Tuesday, according to the American Civil Liberties Union and two people close the man's family.

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Here's the kicker:

"The Trump administration has sought to deport more than 1,000 Iraqis with final orders of removal, including Chaldean Catholics in the Detroit metro area, of which Aldaoud was one. Chaldeans are an eastern branch of the Roman Catholic church who trace their roots to ancient Mesopotamia in present-day Iraq, where they are at high risk of being tortured or killed by the the terror group ISIS, the American Civil Liberties Union argued in a related legal case."

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 04:56 PM | Reply

#MAGA

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 04:57 PM | Reply

Is the problem that these Christians are Catholics and not Evangelicals?

MFA:

"Rest In Peace Jimmy," Bajoka wrote. "Your blood is on the hands of ICE and this administration."

"Jimmy Aldaoud ... should have never been sent to Iraq," Rep. Andy Levin (D-Mich.) said in a written statement. "My Republican colleagues and I have repeatedly called on the executive branch to cease deportation of such vulnerable people. Now, someone has died."

Advocates point out that many Chaldeans targeted for deportation have spent years or decades in the U.S.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 04:59 PM | Reply

"Chaldeans are an eastern branch of the Roman Catholic church who trace their roots to ancient Mesopotamia in present-day Iraq, where they are at high risk of being tortured or killed by the the terror group ISIS"

Maybe if we send all 1,000 back, they can clean up their own country.
#MAGA

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 05:02 PM | Reply

FTA:

"An ICE spokesperson in Detroit said that Aldaoud had "an extensive criminal history" that involved at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017, and had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.

The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013.

The spokesperson said Aldaoud was released pursuant to a federal court order in December 2018, but removed a GPS tracking bracelet on the day of his release. The spokesperson added that ICE had supplied Aldaoud "with a full complement of medicine" when he was removed to Iraq in June, "to ensure continuity of care.""

Break the law repeatedly and you shine a light on yourself. If you're not a citizen, you have nobody but yourself to blame when deported.

Aldaoud's Accomplishments in the U.S.

at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017
had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.
assault with a dangerous weapon
domestic violence
theft of personal property
breaking and entering
home invasion
removed a GPS tracking bracelet on the day of his release

*You people have lost your minds.*

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

--at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017

Good grief. Did Gal Tuesday even read this before posting this fake sob story?

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-08 06:44 PM | Reply

If you're not a citizen, you have nobody but yourself to blame when deported.

Melania Trump lied about not having worked illegally in the U.S. when she applied for citizenship.

She broke the law, twice. Once for working here illegally, again for lying about it.

Deport her and let's see how Trump feels. Twitter would literally blow up :)

#7 | Posted by americanunity at 2019-08-08 06:53 PM | Reply

"Aldaoud's Accomplishments in the U.S."

None of those are am acceptable reason to send him to an all-but-certain death.
In fact, there is no acceptable reason to send someone to an all-but-certain death.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:01 PM | Reply

give it a rest, snoofy.

you're incapable, as am I, of making right wingers care. To be decent. They don't want to even pretend to be compassionate anymore, and no amount of moral or emotional or logical arguing is going to change that.

this is who they are. vote em out.

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-08 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#8 You're being irresponsible and reckless, Snoofy.

Try living in any country on the planet where you're not a citizen and commit 20 crimes over 20 years. No matter what your medical conditions are, they will kick you out. You have nobody but yourself to blame. Choices and decisions have consequences. In every case, you choose to ignore personal responsibility.

That's just not how the world works. Poor life choices, actions, and behaviors have consequences.

This is what parents teach children. You're pouting like a child.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:14 PM | Reply

"you're incapable, as am I, of making right wingers care."

So endlessly true.
Regardless, it's the cross I choose to bear.
I realize I can't change them.
I write to expose them, not to change them.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:14 PM | Reply

To be decent. They don't want to even pretend to be compassionate anymore, and no amount of moral or emotional or logical arguing is going to change that.
#9 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

It was Aldaoud who wasn't decent or compassionate:

assault with a dangerous weapon
domestic violence
theft of personal property
breaking and entering
home invasion
removed a GPS tracking bracelet

You're being ridiculous. Just ask his victims.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:16 PM | Reply

Regardless, it's the cross I choose to bear.
I realize I can't change them.
I write to expose them, not to change them.

#11 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Jesus Snoofy Christ: Dying on the cross for the worlds sins.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Alexandrite,

Thank you for posting.

It provides everyone a clearer understanding how blind and biased some liberals are.

You claim to be so compassionate but care so little for law abiding people who are put at risk around people like him.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:17 PM | Reply

If Aldaoud was a white nationalist with the same criminal history,

you people would lose your minds screaming at Trump about him.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:18 PM | Reply

"Poor life choices, actions, and behaviors have consequences."

America chose to send this man to his death.
Sending a man to his death is never okay.
We should all be ashamed.
You're doing victory laps.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:18 PM | Reply

"Jesus Snoofy Christ: Dying on the cross for the worlds sins.
#13 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Exposing people lke you for what you are is a worthwhile endeavor.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:19 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're pissing on his victims and asking for sympathy.

Such a martyr you are.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:19 PM | Reply

"You're pissing on his victims"

It's disrespectful to crime victims to say criminals shouldn't be executed?
That's a very strange thing for a person who opposes the death penalty to say.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy,

"We should all be ashamed."

Do you suppose he was ashamed of anything he did?

Considering the extense of his charges, I have doubts he had a shred of shame.

Why should I feel any about him?

I'm sorry for him he died in a such a horrible manner but it sounds like he suffered the consequences of his actions.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--o be decent. They don't want to even pretend to be compassionate anymore, and no amount of moral

More of that self-righteous moral preening done by leftists who don't a damn about the victims of illegal immigration, poor families who are unemployed or make lower wages. Foreigners first, Americans second.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-08 07:26 PM | Reply

You claim to be so compassionate but care so little for law abiding people who are put at risk around people like him.

#14 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-08 07:17 PM | REPLY

the answer isnt murder.

stuff your fake bs compassion.

#22 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-08 07:27 PM | Reply

Foreigners first, Americans second.

#21 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-08-08 07:26 PM | FLAG:

you live in fox news. small and white.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-08 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We should all be ashamed."
"Do you suppose he was ashamed of anything he did?"

Do you suppose you're a better man than him?
The only answer that makes sense is no, you don't.

"Why should I feel any about him?"

Same reason you should feel any about anyone other than yourself.
If no such reason exists, you're a sociopath.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:28 PM | Reply

Null,

Liberals are still fantasizing about a global one world love feast where everyone sinks to the lowest common denominator.

#25 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm sorry for him he died in a such a horrible manner but it sounds like he suffered the consequences of his actions."

You're not sorry for anyone but yourself.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:29 PM | Reply

"leftists who don't a damn about the victims of illegal immigration"

Those poor crops, they got picked!
Now what are the farmers going to do with all that money?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:32 PM | Reply

--global one world love feast

"Imagine there's no countries...

Come on and join us
And the world will be one"

This is what passes for "thought" among the kumbaya Left.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-08 07:33 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Like it or not, most of us have to deal with the consequences of our own actions.

Accepting that inevitability is part of being a normal healthy mature adult.

As I've said before, a problem in America is a lot of people just simply aren't growing up.

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:34 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"You're not sorry for anyone but yourself."

No...that's not completely true.

I feel a bit of pity for you.

You must be miserable person to get on here and spread so much hatred and animosity.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:36 PM | Reply

This is the point in the thread where Snoofy, knowing he has no argument, lashes out and labels everyone as sociopaths, xenophobes, and haters.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:38 PM | Reply

Alex,

"stuff your fake bs compassion."

Hey...I'm not the one claiming to be so compassionate and then throwing decent people under the bus.

#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:38 PM | Reply

Alexandrite,
Thank you for posting.
It provides everyone a clearer understanding how blind and biased some liberals are.
You claim to be so compassionate but care so little for law abiding people who are put at risk around people like him.
POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-08 07:17 PM | REPLY

Alexandrite is a whole lot better than you'll ever be. He has integrity you not so much.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-08 07:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Like it or not, most of us have to deal with the consequences of our own actions."

Our own actions?
What are your plans for the consequences of America's actions that led to this man's death?
Or do those not count as our own actions to you.

You said you feel sorry.
That's not a plan.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:53 PM | Reply

the article said he died because he couldn't find/get insulin there. not the same thing as being killed.

the article said he had a family..some of the above posts cited several priors and that he cut off a monitor.

i'll catch grief but maybe before they deported him, they should have called some sort of family intervention where the government told them...the only way he doesn't leave on the next plane is if the family will post his bond. base the figure on real assets and make sure that it could be collected. no IOU
if his family wanted to keep him here it shouldn't be a problem

#35 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-08-08 07:55 PM | Reply

"As I've said before, a problem in America is a lot of people just simply aren't growing up."

The solution you've endorsed here is to kill them.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:56 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

My only plan is to go upstairs and go to bed.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 07:57 PM | Reply

Is that supposed to show the other children the light?
Grow up, or we'll deport you!
Can you not see why that threat is empty?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:57 PM | Reply

Snoofy absolves everyone from personal responsibility except Trump and conservatives.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 07:57 PM | Reply

"Snoofy absolves everyone from personal responsibility"

I have done no such thing.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 07:58 PM | Reply

"My only plan is to go upstairs and go to bed.
#37 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON"

Where I'm sure you'll sleep easy, on your moral high-ground of supporting capital punishment for non-capital offenses.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

the article said he died because he couldn't find/get insulin there. not the same thing as being killed.

That's a complicated ethical question, akin to unplugging someone's respirator and "letting them die." Is that a killing?

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-08 08:06 PM | Reply

#42 No, it's not 'akin'.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 08:08 PM | Reply

"They don't want to even pretend to be compassionate anymore"

I suspect they've never had the capacity for compassion to begin with.
Plenty of people don't. Instead, they learn how to act compassionate in order to fit in with society. If they're poor, they often end up running afoul of the law and are branded and dismissed as "thugs" committing "senseless violence." If they're fabulously wealthy, they pay lawyers to make their problems go away.

It's honestly not much different than in the movie Dead Zone. We just don't get to see into their minds.

Exhibit A: "Thoughts and prayers." That phony statement is go-to pantomime of sympathy for sociopaths.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 08:11 PM | Reply

#42 It's not a complicated question.
It's so easy, it's the First Law of Robotics.
"A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 08:13 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

"Where I'm sure you'll sleep easy, on your moral high-ground of supporting capital punishment for non-capital offenses."

I worry about the consequences of my own behavior.

There is no obligation on my part to worry about yours.

I feel concern for other people.

This week I was in line at a store and a woman and little girl in front of me didn't have enough money on her EBT card to pay for her food so I offered to pay for it.

No...I'm not utterly selfish.

This guy who died...yea...it's awful.

It's awful he lived such a awful life and died such an awful death.

But...it sounds like he brought it on himself.

#46 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 08:16 PM | Reply

"I worry about the consequences of my own behavior.
There is no obligation on my part to worry about yours."

So, when Cain asks, "Am I my brother's keeper?" your answer is:
"literally yes, but metaphorically the meaning of this rhetorical question was lost on me."

Try opening your eyes. The light is very bright, but it won't harm you.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-08 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42 | Posted by JOE

i appreciate the nuance..but a weakness in your argument is that if he were in the USA he could die because he couldn't get his insulin.

lots of americans do every year. what happened to him in Iraq happens everyday right here at home.

why not put the family on the hook? i guess we're not set up to do that but it sounds right to me

#48 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-08-08 08:22 PM | Reply

insulin can't be found in a capital city like Baghdad? Um, right. BUt even if true, how is this Trump's fault?

Also, as a 24 uear diabetic, I can tell yu that people don't immediately die from lack of insulin. Over the years, it will kill youo, but my blood sugar has been 900 (about 10x normal) and it didn't kill me.

From the article: "Chaldeans are an eastern branch of the Roman Catholic church who trace their roots to ancient Mesopotamia "

A Mesopotamian branch of Christianity? How can you trust an author who doesn't even know that Christianity rose about 4,000 years after Mesopotamia (the cradle of civilization) fell? What an idiot.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 08:23 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Can it with your biblical repartee.

You've demonstrated time and again you are not a brother in Christ and have no business chastising me.

#50 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 08:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Mesopotamia, Alabama 66104.....just sounds real doesn't it. lolimo

#51 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-08-08 08:29 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Not that I need chastised.

I won't say this guy got what he deserved...because frankly we're lucky we don't all get what we deserve.

But he did suffer the consequences of a life of bad decisions.

No more from me about this.

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-08 08:33 PM | Reply

a weakness in your argument is that if he were in the USA he could die because he couldn't get his insulin.

I wasn't making an argument, but assuming i was, the same argument could be made for letting people die here in America without their insulin. No other first world country has such a cruel health policy. Perhaps they've figured out where they land on that ethical question.

#53 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-08 08:51 PM | Reply

as a 24 uear diabetic, I can tell yu that people don't immediately die from lack of insulin. Over the years, it will kill youo, but my blood sugar has been 900 (about 10x normal) and it didn't kill me.

Cool anecdote, bro. Do you know you aren't the only diabetic in the world and that your singular experience doesn't necessarily generalize to the 7 billion people in the world?

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-08 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

throwing decent people under the bus.

#32 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-08 07:38 PM | REPLY

oh i hope you don't mean YOU. lol

#55 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-08 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Cool anecdote, bro. Do you know you aren't the only diabetic in the world and that your singular experience doesn't necessarily generalize to the 7 billion people in the world?

#54 | POSTED BY JOE "

Are you talking about the anecdotal story? The one that expectw you to believe that that insulin can't be found in Baghdad? ANd that it's Trump's fault? Funny stuff, juh? OH@ I especially liked hearing about the Mesopotamiam branch of Christrianity. LOL BUt like my wise father taught me, people believe what they want to believe, no matter how stupid it is.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 09:27 PM | Reply

The one that expect you to believe that that insulin can't be found in Baghdad?

GOATMAN

1. Insulin has become expensive - doubled to an average of $450 a month
2. He does not speak Arabic. He's Greek with Iraqi citizenship and moved to the U.S. as a child
3. A lack of language skills would preclude his getting most jobs
4. 14% unemployment in Iraq means many fighting for the same jobs. Much of Iraq's manufacturing capacity was destroyed when the Bush Administration ignored Gen. Jake Garner's urgent pleas to protect factories after the invasion.
5. He has no family there

Please explain how YOU think he would have obtained insulin under those circumstances. Thank you.

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-08 09:38 PM | Reply

"Please explain how YOU think he would have obtained insulin under those circumstances. Thank you.

#57 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

I don't know and I don't care. Last time I checked the Constitution, it didn't say anything about providing medicine to the world. That money is better spent on Americans like you and me.

As Joe (he's on your side) said, it's anecdotal and his implication is that anecdotal evidence is worthless.

I still fail to see how this is Trump's fault. I know why you, a TDS sufferer do, though.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 09:43 PM | Reply

#58 | Posted by goatman

You said insulin can be found in Iraq. I listed why it would have been a problem for him to obtain, which any logical person would acknowledge as pertinent.

The guy didn't deserve a death sentence, which is what he got in effect.

I have TDS? Ha ha ha!! Long before he even won the nomination I thought he's a narcissistic ------- who wouldn't be up to the job. I've been proven right. The dude can't even muster empathy for shooting victims, talking instead during his visit to El Paso about how big his crowd was 3 months ago.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-08 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I didn't say insulin could be found in Iraq. I said it's highly unlikey it couldn't be. Or did all the diabetics just die? Think, man, think!

But iff so, then how is Trump responsible?

At any rate, it's an anecdotal tale. Ask Joe to explain that to you.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 10:05 PM | Reply

He didn't deserve a death sentence. Which is what he ended up with.

#61 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-08 10:11 PM | Reply

"He didn't deserve a death sentence. Which is what he ended up with.
#61 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Says the guy who wishes a stroke induced paralysis on another human. Spare me your faux outrage.

And again, it isn't the job of the US to make sure the world has insulin. Deal with it. Maybe after we take care of all of our own, we can start worrying about this one guy 8,000 miles away.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 10:18 PM | Reply

He wasn't given a death sentence, he was deported because he couldn't just live a normal life without committing 20 violent crimes.

Nobody is to blame here but the criminal non-citizen. Crimes have consequences, that's why normal people don't commit crimes.

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#63 -- you are right. From the article:

"An ICE spokesperson in Detroit said that Aldaoud had "an extensive criminal history" that involved at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017, and had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.

The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013."

Americanunity weeps for a POS like this but proudly wishes a congressman paralyzed.

Says a lot about AU's character, doesn't it?

#64 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 10:25 PM | Reply

According the NYT, Aldaoud was "bipolar and schizophrenic and battled depression and diabetes." It sounds to me like he needed medical treatment, and had for many years, more than deportation:

www.nytimes.com

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It sounds to me like he needed medical treatment, and had for many years, more than deportation:
#65 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Good point Gal. Look no further than the streets of San Francisco, LA, and NYC to see how democrats treat the mentally ill.

#66 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A Sister Mourns the Brother Who Died in Iraq

In some ways, Jimmy Aldaoud's story is similar to many other immigrants who have been deported. He faced legal troubles, including charges for breaking into a neighbor's garage and stealing power tools. However, Edward Bajoka, a lawyer who has been assisting the Aldaoud family, says that these issues were related to his mental illness.

"He generally led a pretty unstable lifestyle, I think it was all due to his mental health issues," says Bajoka.

time.com

I don't know about his earlier crimes, which may have started around the time he became mentally ill, but in recent years he was a homeless, paranoid schizophrenic who confessed to stealing three cordless drills:

Aldaoud was previously convicted for disorderly conduct and served 17 months in prison for home invasion, Politico reported.

The Detroit News reported in 2015 that Aldaoud had his conviction thrown out after acting as his own lawyer.

An appeals court ruled that the judge did not explain the risks of acting as his own attorney to Aldaoud, the report said. Before his trial, Aldaoud said he spent 16 months "day and night" studying law books.

Aldaoud admitted to stealing power tools from a stranger's garage but believed it was a misdemeanor, not a felony.

According to CBS Detroit, Aldaoud, whom police described as homeless, was stopped by police after stealing three cordless drills.

heavy.com

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#67 - but Sheeple said "20 violent crimes" and Goatman backed him up, Gal.
It's not fair letting facts get in the way of their hate filled narrative.

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-08 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Any connection to Trump is tenuous at best. But what if even that connection didn't exist? Would the leftie world be weeping for this violent wife beater? I'll bet they wouldn't. This just looks like another example of a person's death is being exploited for political purposes.

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 10:42 PM | Reply

This man's family were Iraqi Christians who fled persecution in their homeland before he was born:

Aldaoud, whose family were Iraqi Christians fleeing persecution in their country, was born in a refugee camp in Greece, according to Michigan state Rep. Mary Manoogian. He came to the United States when he was 6 months old.

heavy.com

This story contains many tragic ironies.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 10:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#68 I don't know the nature of his earlier crimes, but if they go back 20 year,s I think it is safe to be that his criminal behavior likely began around the same time as the onset of his schizophrenia, which usually begins in the late teens or early 20's. I have a friend whose only daughter is schizophrenic. She is now in her mid-40's and thanks to medication and supportive housing is doing better than she has in over 20 years. It's a horrible, devastating illness, which no one asks for. Truly, there but for the grace of God go you or I or someone we love.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PS Yes, society needed to be protected from this man, but the truth is he needed to be protected from himself and from the ravages of his illness as well.

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 10:54 PM | Reply

Jesus, I remember him on the news saying this exact ------- thing. This is on Trump. If he hasn't been declared one yet, Trump is as much a murderer as Charles Manson is.

How much more proof you need?

Libs=Pwnd

#73 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-08 11:02 PM | Reply

GOATMAN can't comprehend the difference between physically sending someone to a certain death and hypothetically wishing ill on a politician who's fought tooth and nail to take away life saving health insurance from millions of Americans and couldn't care less about their well being.

He's right back to the same old word gymnastics game, taking up all kinds of space on threads without really offering anything of merit.

Good thing for him cyberspace is nearly as large as his outsized ego.

#74 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-08 11:04 PM | Reply

The world was better without Goatass on the DR....it certainly still is.

#75 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-08 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think this man is a victim of deinstitutionalization the mentally ill. There were many good reasons for deinstitutionalization, including cost savings and more humane treatment, but there were many promises made to the mentally ill and their families that they would be adequately provided for outside of mental hospitals through outpatient treatment programs, supportive housing and emergency psychiatric beds. Very often these promises were not kept:

Deinstitutionalization: A Psychiatric Titanic
www.pbs.org

TIMELINE: Deinstitutionalization And Its Consequences
How deinstitutionalization moved thousands of mentally ill people out of hospitals -- and into jails and prisons.
www.motherjones.com

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 11:08 PM | Reply

"The world was better without Goatass on the DR....it certainly still is.

#75 | POSTED BY BOCAI"

I haven't uttered a single word to you, yet like pinchaloaf, you can't help but to utter my name. Another person obsessed with me. LOL

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 11:10 PM | Reply

"GOATMAN can't comprehend the difference..."

#74 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

The guy who proudly says he wants to see a person paralyzed by a stroke has the chutzpah to post here. Spare us the faux outrage.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 11:12 PM | Reply

Yes, like Pinchaloaf, I think you suck. Not obsessed, merely disappointed you've come back for another round when you obviously can't punch above your weight. Nurse the cuts fool.

#79 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-08 11:13 PM | Reply

"This is on Trump.

#73 | POSTED BY BOCAINK "

No, it's squarely on the Democrats because they are so pathetic they couldn't find someone who could beat an ------- like Trump in an election.

#80 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 11:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh gawd, he reincarnated into Sheepillidan's retarded cuzzin'

#81 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-08 11:16 PM | Reply

Are you talking about the anecdotal story? The one that expectw you to believe that that insulin can't be found in Baghdad? ANd that it's Trump's fault?

No, I was talking about your anecdote (i went without insulin and didnt die), which was used to diminish this man's story and imply that there's no way he could have died without insulin just because you didn't die.

It's no surprise you immediately stopped making such a stuoid argument and deliberately misinterpreted my post. You're that obnoxious.

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-08 11:18 PM | Reply

Bless your heart Goatman

#83 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-08 11:18 PM | Reply

"No, I was talking about your anecdote

#82 | POSTED BY JOE "

Thhis post is about one man -- an anecdotal story about one man vs the tens of thousands who lived after being deported.

Sorry, I don't do double standards. Try again.

#84 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 11:21 PM | Reply

Welcome back, Goat!

It's great to see you posting in these parts once again.

You were missed.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-08 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I suspect they've never had the capacity for compassion to begin with."

I suspect some people have the capacity for compassion but only for people who they deem are like them, which probably isn't really compassion ultimately but a form of narcissism. Ask them to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, and if those shoes differ significantly from their own footwear, it ain't gonna happen.

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 11:24 PM | Reply

--You were missed.

Obviously not by a few unhinged Leftists who immediately jumped to the personal attacks. They must have been holding a grudge for years. It's kind of funny.

#87 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-08 11:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thanks, Jeff! Good to be back. I missed almost everyone here. They're like an extended cyber family.

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-08 11:27 PM | Reply

I suspect some people have the capacity for compassion but only for people who they deem are like them, which probably isn't really compassion ultimately but a form of narcissism. Ask them to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, and if those shoes differ significantly from their own footwear, it ain't gonna happen.

#86 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

LOL. Compassion...except for the nutter mass shooters if it fits her Trump Hate agenda.

Scouring the webs for tantalizing Trump connections and blame angles.

If the mass shooters were illegals, you'd be smothering them with kisses.

#89 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This guy Aldaoud has 20 violent criminal offenses and it's a sob story because illegal.

If he had been a white Trump supporter, you'd be here ready to throw the switch.

What a two-faced political hacktivist.

#90 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-08 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also, for those who don't think Chaldean Christians exist, live and learn:

Iraqi Christians in the US Face Deportation Again

Some Chaldean detainees lost their chance to fight to stay. But it's still unclear if their home country will let them back.
April 04, 2019
www.christianitytoday.com

Chaldean cardinal fears Iraq could be caught in middle of a U.S.-Iran conflict
www.americamagazine.org

Who are the Chaldean Christians?
news.bbc.co.uk

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 11:36 PM | Reply

Like I said, tragic irony:

Facing Extinction in Iraq, Can Christians Hope for Aid from the West?

August 6, 2019

An interview with Archbishop Bashar Warda of the Chaldean Catholic Church in Erbi

www.nationalreview.com

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-08 11:44 PM | Reply

Obviously not by a few unhinged Leftists who immediately jumped to the personal attacks. They must have been holding a grudge for years. It's kind of funny.

#87 | Posted by nullifidian

It's ---- hilarious reading you bashing 'unhinged leftists' when you were around here for many years bashing unhinged right wingers for their ridiculous pronouncements. Now that you're a full on right wing, unhinged lunatic, G-man will probably leave you alone. He sure beat the schitt out of you for a lot of years, "DULLI"

#93 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-09 01:52 AM | Reply

"#93 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-08-09 01:52 AM "

What's this obsessive ongoing behavior with Nulli? I'm beginning to cringe at the creepiness of it.

#94 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-09 02:09 AM | Reply

Thhis post is about one man -- an anecdotal story

This story isn't being used to generalize to the entire deported population.It's a story that says, "hey, the Trump administration just deported this guy to a country he'd never been to and he died. That's pretty ------ up." As opposed to your story, which was intended to suggest that because something happened to you, that's the way it happens to everyone. Nobody is saying that everyone who is deported dies - just that this guy did, which on its own is worth thinking about.

Thanks for playing!

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-09 02:23 AM | Reply

From the article: "Chaldeans are an eastern branch of the Roman Catholic church who trace their roots to ancient Mesopotamia "

A Mesopotamian branch of Christianity? How can you trust an author who doesn't even know that Christianity rose about 4,000 years after Mesopotamia (the cradle of civilization) fell? What an idiot.

#49 | Posted by goatman

How can you trust a poster who won't spend 15 seconds learning something new before posting a diatribe?

Chaldeans are an ethnic tribe who lived in Mesopotamia (a northern region of Iraq) and converted to Christianity when it came calling.

#96 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-09 03:49 AM | Reply

BTW, they primarily speak Aramaic, said to be the language of Jesus. They also speak Arabic.

#97 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-09 03:54 AM | Reply

I know why you, a TDS sufferer do, though.

#58 | Posted by goatman

GOATMAN, you're a laughable, shameless phony!!

How strange the term "derangement syndrome" should be uttered from your mouth since it was never ONCE uttered by you to those who went crazy slinging of all kinds of unwarranted accusations against Obama, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year; He was a "Kenyan-Muslim-terrorist-Manchurian Candidate-plant" to ... oh, the list is long. And Obama is a decent man.

Not a peep from you then. No sir. Never heard a word from you towards any of the crazies, some of whom came *THAT* close to needing a visit from the Secret Service. Nope. Not a peep from you.

NOW you decide to get all uppity about someone criticizing a president who's pissed off our allies, called half of Americans names, been the most divisive president in our lifetimes, who's advocated violence by his supporters and said he'd pay the legal bills, shrugs off concerns about his connections to Russia, praises authoritarian dictators, disses U.S. Intelligence Services while standing next to Putin, and on and on and on?

No wonder you're up towards the top of the list of plonked posters Well deserved!

#98 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-09 04:18 AM | Reply

Hurrah, the thread killer is back.

#99 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-08-09 05:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"GOATMAN, you're a laughable, shameless phony!!
POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

I'll bet you want to see me have a stroke and become paralyzed,too, as you sished on one of our Congressman.

#100 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-09 07:11 AM | Reply

Thanks for playing!
#95 | POSTED BY JOE

You're playing with yourself again? should be a law....

Instead of working on becoming a citizen, this dude spent 20 years committing violent crimes.

He has nobody to blame but himself.

#101 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-09 07:32 AM | Reply

Or the voices in his head. With his history of manic-depression and paranoid schizophrenia, it's suprising a court of law found him competent to stand trial.

#102 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-09 07:52 AM | Reply

GOATMAN, you're a laughable, shameless phony!!

Post Of The Day

#103 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-09 08:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Post Of The Day

#103 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

LOL

#104 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-09 08:41 AM | Reply

#104 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Go whine in your Jupiter thread, whiner.

#105 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-09 08:52 AM | Reply

"#104 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Go whine in your Jupiter thread, whiner.

#105 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF "

LOL

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-09 08:55 AM | Reply

This guy Aldaoud has 20 violent criminal offenses and it's a sob story because illegal.

Liar.
You can't post a single thing without at least one lie.

#107 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-09 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans don't care. But like the Texas Rangers that murdered a thousand Mexican cattle ranchers living in Texas or the US Army, that pushed native Indians onto smaller and smaller, ever more toxic reservations, they all go the church on Sundays. Now isn't that special.

#108 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-08-09 09:07 AM | Reply

--Go whine in your Jupiter thread, whiner.

Hey PinHeadLoaf, he made a non-political thread and you jumped into it to make personal attacks. Maybe you should create your own thread rather than obsessing about him. Another thread about your cult leader Hedrick Smith is overdue.

#109 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-09 09:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Liar.
You can't post a single thing without at least one lie.

#107 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-08-09 09:07 AM |"

If you are going to call someone a liar, you should present what you think to be the truth. The article says:

"An ICE spokesperson in Detroit said that Aldaoud had "an extensive criminal history" that involved at least 20 convictions from 1998 to 2017, and had twice been ordered removed from the U.S.

The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013."

Granted, it doesn't say all 20 convictions were of a violent natur, but certain many were. So, Yav, how many violent convictions does he really have? You must know since you are calling someone a liar about it.

#110 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-09 09:15 AM | Reply

From what I can tell the domestic violence convictions were related to fights with his alcoholic father who kicked him out of the house when he was 16. Aldaoud himself became a drug addict. Apparently he was close to his mother, but she died in 2015:

Even when they weren't living together, Aldaoud and his father continued to fight well into Aldaoud's 20s. The confrontations would sometimes turn physical, and Aldaoud's dad, now deceased, would often call the cops on him. Once in 1998, then again in 2004, Aldaoud landed assault convictions. They were the first of many infractions -- including obstructing a police officer, breaking and entering, larceny, marijuana possession, and disorderly conduct -- that ICE would use to justify his removal.

He was known by patrol officers to be homeless and suffering from addiction. According to police reports, he sometimes squatted in abandoned houses, and he spent most of his waking hours near the intersection of 8 Mile and John R Roads in Hazel Park, just a 3-minute drive from his parents' home. Every few months he would get caught stealing change from unlocked cars.

He was jailed frequently, which caused him a lot of stress. Incident reports filed by corrections officers indicate that, while in county jail, Aldaoud would eat as much candy as he could get his hands on in an effort to irritate his diabetes and trigger hospitalization. He knew that, after he was sent to the hospital, jail officials would likely release him into the care of his mother. He loved and depended on his mother. In a brief call with The Intercept a month before he died, Aldaoud said that life became much harder for him when she passed away in 2015.


theintercept.com

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-09 09:31 AM | Reply

If you are going to call someone a liar, you should present what you think to be the truth. The article says:

I read the article.
I read what he posted.
I read what you posted.

I can't be responsible for his lies and your inability to read and comprehend or you ridiculous attempt to back him up on his lie.

#112 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-09 09:56 AM | Reply

#108 | Posted by bayviking. "But like the Texas Rangers that murdered a thousand Mexican cattle ranchers living in Texas or the US Army, that pushed native Indians onto smaller and smaller, ever more toxic reservations". Actually the murder of Latino ranchers were victimized by both Mexican and Anglo criminal gangs. The Mexican gangs rustled cattle, the white gangs stole land, serving big money interests. By the 1850s the Rangers were a Law Enforcement Agency, starting as a Military organization. The only law on the "Frontera" was those guys. The Comanche had serious respect for them, renegade and criminal whites feared them for good reason. In a Ranger's eyes it was easier to pack a head in salt than to bring in a criminal alive. Now you know what the term "a price on his head" refers to. Sam Houston expelled the Indians from Texas, as a policy. Didn't accomplish much, the Comanche burned Austin to the ground in the 1840s. The Indians fought on till the 1870s and the last resistance was at Palo Duro in 1874.
The area the Comanche went was South West Oklahoma. They became ranchers. Fort Sill spent a lot of effort protecting them, arresting a whole bunch of white guys who thought they could do as they wished with impunity. What you ignore is the herds the Indians depended on were gone, the only way they were going to survive was to adapt to a new environment, or they could hang around the Agency and take the free food.

#113 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-09 10:08 AM | Reply

I bought new shoes at the maul, then twisted my ankle.
Now I'm contumplating suing.
They should have known I'd twist my ankle!

#114 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-08-09 10:22 AM | Reply

FTFY: Now I'm contrumplating suing.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-09 10:42 AM | Reply

As far as I can tell, this is the "home invasion" everyone is referring to:

He was convicted of home invasion and sentenced to at least three years in prison.

Aldaoud admitted taking tools from a Ferndale garage in April 2012 but claimed it was a misdemeanor, not a felony. He was arrested at a home on Wordsworth Street near West End Street after the homeowner called police to report that his garage door was suspiciously opening and closing.

Responding officers saw Aldaoud, described as homeless, walking with a large bag about two blocks away from the home. After stopping him, police found Aldaoud had three stolen cordless drills in the bag. Police say Aldaoud broke into an unlocked vehicle outside of the home and found the garage door opener, which he used to open the door and then make entry.

detroit.cbslocal.com

#116 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-09 10:54 AM | Reply

#116 Yeah, that's it:

Defendant appeals by right from his bench trial convictions of home invasion, first degree, MCL 750.110a(2), and misdemeanor possession of marihuana, MCL 333.7403(2)(d). He was sentenced to serve 36 months to 30 years in prison for home invasion and 365 days for possession of marihuana.

www.michbar.org

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-09 11:05 AM | Reply

What's this obsessive ongoing behavior with Nulli? I'm beginning to cringe at the creepiness of it.

#94 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Who died and made you moderator?

I get it, and always have ...

You're a pot-stirring, lying, right-wing hack.

#118 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-09 11:37 AM | Reply

"The convictions included assault with a dangerous weapon, domestic violence, theft of personal property, and breaking and entering, according to ICE. A POLITICO search of court records showed Aldaoud served 17 months for a home invasion in 2013."

So, using Liberal logic that has become rampant in Trump's term, one can easily and logically (again, only using the logic many Liberals on DR have been using so you can't deny this) infer that Liberals WANT criminals in America. If you can't be far-sighted enough to use real logic and insist on only using the words of someone and not the intent, then you HAVE to agree when others do the same exact thing. Otherwise, you are admitting you are being hypocritical and just want to spread hate.

#119 | Posted by humtake at 2019-08-09 11:59 AM | Reply

"Liberals WANT criminals in America."

No:

According the NYT, Aldaoud was "bipolar and schizophrenic and battled depression and diabetes." It sounds to me like he needed medical treatment, and had for many years, more than deportation:
www.nytimes.com
#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

PS Yes, society needed to be protected from this man, but the truth is he needed to be protected from himself and from the ravages of his illness as well.
#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-09 12:07 PM | Reply

"You've demonstrated time and again you are not a brother in Christ and have no business chastising me.
#50 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON"

What are you referring to, BillJohnson?

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-09 03:46 PM | Reply

"You've demonstrated time and again you are not a brother in Christ and have no business chastising me.

You have it backwards.

You have no business judging anyone that isn't a "brother" in Christ.

The world judges you, as you've put yourself out there are Christ's representative. You have no control nor do your beliefs about "the world" judging you matter.

Read Paul's words again.

#122 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-09 04:09 PM | Reply

Yav,

You liberals think everything is judging you.

Essentially no one can disagree with you or correct you.

Many liberals have problems with authority figures. "who are you to judge me?".

Actually I could really care less about other people's opinions until they decide to attack me.

Snoofy lives on the offensive since you've decided to put yourself in the middle of it.

#123 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-09 04:31 PM | Reply

Gal,

I'd venture to say nearly every criminal probably has mental problems.

#124 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-09 04:38 PM | Reply

The argument the right uses to justify this is highly reminiscent of the "Just Following Orders" defense. "Just following the law" is a cop out.

#125 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-09 04:39 PM | Reply

"Actually I could really care less about other people's opinions until they decide to attack me."

Here's the problem:
When two gay people get married, you think it attacks you.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-09 04:41 PM | Reply

Yav,

I do take offense when hypocrite liberals condemn Christians who might call them a sinner or quote scripture but think nothing of quoting scripture themselves. (usually out of context)

#127 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-09 04:45 PM | Reply

We're all hypocrites, BillJohnson.

It's not a valid complaint. Especially to only complain about certain hypocrites you don't agree with, while giving all the rest of us hypocrites a pass.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-09 05:02 PM | Reply

Hooray! We lost a moron.

#129 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-08-09 07:45 PM | Reply

Read Paul's words again.

#122 | Posted by YAV

Pauls's writings are not "Christianity." Those would be the words of Christ.

Better yet, Bill could refresh his reading on what the namesake of Christianity wrote.

Starting with Matthew 25:31-45

#130 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-09 10:22 PM | Reply

#130 - Paul's words are what Bill Johnson was misusing, AU. That's the reason for citing him.
And yes, too many Christian use everything but the words of Christ to rationalize their own belief system.

#131 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-09 11:18 PM | Reply

#130 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY, Forgive me,but Jesus never wrote anything. All we have is the writings of four individuals that knew him for a few years. Seems they took him very seriously.

#132 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-09 11:32 PM | Reply

#130 - Paul's words are what Bill Johnson was misusing, AU. That's the reason for citing him.
And yes, too many Christian use everything but the words of Christ to rationalize their own belief system.

POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-08-09 11:18 PM | REPLY

I don't remember Paul ever knowing Jesus face to face. He came after Jesus's ascension into Heaven.

#133 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-09 11:42 PM | Reply

#130 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY, Paul's writings, epistles were accepted as a true reflection of the doctrines and teachings of Christianity by early in the second century. They are quoted by very early church fathers like Polycarp, who was a student of Peter and Clement of Rome who likely knew Paul. The New Testament cannon was well established about 200 years before the Council of Nicaea, according to Clement of Alexandria who listed the accepted text in about 150.

#134 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-09 11:50 PM | Reply

#133 | Posted by LauraMohr, You need to read Acts more closely, after Paul was blinded on the road and subsequently healed, he spent three years studying everything he could including knowing many of the people that knew Jesus while He was with them. He was already as educated in Jewish text as any human could be. He also knew at least four languages fluently. Hebrew, Greek, Latin and Aramaic. He had enough confidence in what he knew to argue with the Apostles, which he did. I think he had to be pretty confident to argue with the likes of Peter, but he won. Want to know what Paul's theology was? Read Romans. If you want something a little deeper, read Hebrews.

#135 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-10 12:03 AM | Reply

#134 | Posted by docnjo

I'm very familiar with the Bible, how it was compiled, and so on.

Paul is frequently in conflict with what Jesus is said to have pronounced.

I'm always saddened when "Christians" use the OT or Paul to justify NOT doing what Jesus is said to have taught.

#136 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-10 02:49 AM | Reply

I don't remember Paul ever knowing Jesus face to face. He came after Jesus's ascension into Heaven.

#133 | Posted by LauraMohr

Right you are. Another person who had a 'vision' like the John, who wrote Revelation in 80-90 A.D. in exile on Patmos, too many decades later to have known Christ in his lifetime. It's a sad statement that the New Testament and much of what the Christian church have emphasized for nearly 2000 years has been writings of men who never knew Jesus in His lifetime.

Fear and control. Dante did them a huge favor later on too ...

When one considers that Jesus' closest friends and disciples were women, using the writings of Paul (who never knew Him) to subjugate women as second class, subjugated to their husbands for thousands of years, has been a travesty.

#137 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-10 03:14 AM | Reply

The cruelty is the point.

#138 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-08-10 05:40 AM | Reply

"Many liberals have problems with authority figures. "who are you to judge me?"."

As did Jesus.

#139 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-10 08:45 AM | Reply

#137 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY, Actually, John the Apostle would have been in his 80s, which is possible. He was acknowledged to be the only living Apostle at the time. He did get tortured with boiling oil according to tradition.
#137 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY Yes there are a few passages telling women to be quite in church services, to cover their hair, dress modestly and to be subject to their husbands. There are many others that deal with the way men should treat their wives. It is a two way street, among those rules, "A man who does not support his family is worse than an unbeliever". I do note most traditional families have women that report being much more happy than the average feminist, which is no trick. Most feminist are angry and chronically unhappy. I also note women are attracted to confident aggressive men, much more than INCEL soyboys.

#140 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-10 02:13 PM | Reply

Danni,

But He was justified.

Immature people with general authority problems due to childish beliefs is not the same thing.

#141 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-10 02:47 PM | Reply

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