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Saturday, August 10, 2019

Epstein, 66, was removed from suicide watch on July 29, just six days after the self-inflicted bruising on his neck was spotted, according to the New York Times. It meant that he was returned to the special housing unit at the jail, which is separated from the rest of the facility and has extra security.

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It's inexcusable that #JefferyEpstein was taken off suicide watch.

We have to ask who stood to gain from his permanent silence?


Donald J. Trump

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-10 07:10 PM | Reply

Someone wanted him dead.

They simply told the guards to take him off the watch.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-10 07:13 PM | Reply


The plot thickens.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-10 07:14 PM | Reply

"The plot thickens."

Unlikely.

Most likely, the plot ends.

#4 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-08-10 08:08 PM | Reply

We have to ask who stood to gain from his permanent silence?

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-10 07:10 PM

There are a lot of powerful people who stand to gain, and yes, Trump is quite possibly one of them.

#5 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-08-10 08:51 PM | Reply

Spin it however you want libbies - but it is the Dem elite that was doing the dirty with Epstein - not Trump:

In a deposition, Giuffre says that Epstein told her that he was friends with Trump, but that she never witnessed the president and Epstein together. "Donald Trump never flirted with me," she testified, and added that she didn't see him have sex with girls at Epstein's homes.

Bill Clinton will still go down as a pedo...only question is how many more Dems go down with him.

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

but it is the Dem elite that was doing the dirty with Epstein - not Trump

Please provide proof, or admit you are a liar.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-10 10:17 PM | Reply

"Bill Clinton will still go down as a pedo...only question is how many more Dems go down with him.

POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-08-10 10:15 PM | REPLY"

calling president HW bush a pedo without proof got buffalo bob banned for awhile. just warning ya.

#8 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-10 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"she never witnessed the president and Epstein together."

Thank God for video footage.
www.youtube.com

"Spin it however you want libbies - but it is the Dem elite that was doing the dirty with Epstein - not Trump"

Too rich, to begin that sentence with "spin it however you want".

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-10 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

The only one's spinning anything are Illegitimate President Bucket of ----- minions. Every liberal I have seen says go after everyone connected and let the chips fall where they may. Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- was good friends with Epstein for years and reportedly attended an ---- with Epstein.

Epstein recruited girls at Mar a Lago.

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will go down as a pedo, among MANY other sins.

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-10 10:21 PM | Reply

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#8 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

There is a douche on here that calls Trump a pedo on a daily basis - why isn't that guy banned?

BTW, I got banned for saying Harris slept with a married Willie Brown - then linked to sources confirming it. The way bans are handed out seems to be completely random or linked to a menstrual cycle.

#11 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

calling president HW bush a pedo without proof got buffalo bob banned for awhile. just warning ya.

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-08-10 10:18 PM | REPLY

Dayummmmmmmmmm Why did you feel the need to warn him?? Sheesh

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-10 10:28 PM | Reply

"There is a douche on here that calls Trump a pedo on a daily basis - why isn't that guy banned?"

"Before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it," he said. "You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good. You know, they're standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?'" he continued. "And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that."
~DJT

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-10 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Please provide proof, or admit you are a liar.
#7 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Well, let's see the prominent names thus far released:

Clinton
Trump (from a time period he was a Democrat)
Dershowitz (voted for Clinton, lifelong Democrat)
Bill Richardson - former Dem presidential candidate
George Mitchell - Dem senator

Now - give me the name of anyone that was a republican at the time of pedo parties...I won't hold my breath because they don't exist.

#14 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"in ten years i'll be dating her"

#15 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-10 10:31 PM | Reply

so ira-

if trump is a pedo it was just when he was a democrat?

ahahahaha

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-10 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Epstein and Trump ran in the same social circles in NYC and Palm Beach, and Epstein is said to have introduced Trump to Melania. Also Ken Starr was one of Epstein's attorneys. He didn't do that to help Bill Clinton and the Dems.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 10:33 PM | Reply

Epstein and Trump ran in the same social circles in NYC and Palm Beach, and Epstein is said to have introduced Trump to Melania. Also Ken Starr was one of Epstein's attorneys. He didn't do that to help Bill Clinton and the Dems.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 10:33 PM | Reply

"And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that."
#13 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Can you define 'woman' for me? I think you have a misunderstanding of what a pedophile is.

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Epstein and Trump ran in the same social circles in NYC and Palm Beach,

Rich people tend to know and hang out with rich people. Further, this was back when Trump was a democrat. You forget that fact?

"and Epstein is said to have introduced Trump to Melania."

Was she over 18 at the time? Strange, again to undercut your point.

"Also Ken Starr was one of Epstein's attorneys.
#18 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

I have yet to see any allegations against Ken Starr as a pedophile. Have you?

#20 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He was talking about a teen USA beauty pageant.

you have been educated, try retaining the information

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-10 10:37 PM | Reply

www.independent.co.uk

Donald Trump used to "stroll right in" to the dressing room of beauty pageants while the contestants - some of whom were teenagers - were naked or half-dressed, a former model has claimed.
Tasha Dixon was 18 when she competed in the Miss USA pageant, winning the state crown.
"Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis," Ms Dixon told CBS.

"He just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked."

Some of the girls were as young as 15.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-10 10:40 PM | Reply

Well, let's see the prominent names thus far released:

I asked for proof. Please provide same or admit you are a liar.

Thanks.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-10 10:44 PM | Reply

"He was talking about a teen USA beauty pageant.
you have been educated, try retaining the information
#21 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS "

Great, show me a link where he is specifically talking about the teen USA beauty pageant in your claims and not the multiple other pageants he owned. Again, I will remind you he was a Democrat when this occurred.

#24 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Epsteins' main business partner was billionaire Les Wexner. Wexner quit the Republican Party last year over what he called Trump's white supremacist nonsense, but he had been a Republican since college and had been the biggest GOP donor in Ohio, the state where he was from.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 10:46 PM | Reply

"I asked for proof.
#23 | POSTED BY REDIAL "

We have these names directly from the woman that was victimized. I thought that would be sufficient proof in the age of #metoo. Do you need the video tapes?

#26 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bill ‘Cover-up' Barr is just cleaning up after the------------------- again.

#27 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2019-08-10 10:47 PM | Reply

"Epsteins' main business partner was billionaire Les Wexner
#25 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Again, I have not seen any allegations against Wexner as a pedophile - only that Epstein managed his money. Do you have a credible allegation against Wexner?

#28 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:48 PM | Reply

In a deposition, Giuffre says that Epstein told her that he was friends with Trump, but that she never witnessed the president and Epstein together. "Donald Trump never flirted with me," she testified, and added that she didn't see him have sex with girls at Epstein's homes.

If you want to quote Giuffre, then quote her in full:

Giuffre, as part of her sworn testimony, also states that she met both former President Bill Clinton, former Vice President Al Gore and President Donald Trump, and that Epstein once held a dinner for Clinton on his island, Little St. James, off the coast of St. Thomas.

She said in a 2016 deposition she met Trump through her father, who worked as a maintenance man at Trump's Palm Beach home, Mar-a-lago, and that to her knowledge, neither Trump nor Clinton had any intimate contact with "us'' -- referring to the girls Epstein kept as sex slaves.

www.miamiherald.com

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 10:52 PM | Reply

Something tells me that no matter what proof you are shown you won't believe it.

The teens that he walked in on are in the article I linked above. Read it, try and learn something.

Here is a link to a video of Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- stating he would date a 10 year old in 10 years.
thehill.com

Here is an article about Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- saying he would be dating a 14 year old in a couple of years
thehill.com

Trump asked one of the girls her age, and when she said she was 14, Trump replied, "Wow! Just think -- in a couple of years I'll be dating you."

#30 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-10 10:52 PM | Reply

"We have these names directly from the woman that was victimized."

She does not name Clinton. See my above post.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 10:53 PM | Reply

Again, I will remind you he was a Democrat when this occurred.

#24 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-08-10 10:45 PM | FLAG:

yeah, pedophilia goes away when you switch to republican.

ira, you've gone full ------.

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-10 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

We have these names directly from the woman that was victimized. I thought that would be sufficient proof in the age of #metoo.

And yet Kavanaugh sits on the Supreme Court. I'm sure you are ok with that?

Hypocrite.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-10 10:54 PM | Reply

Here is a story about the whole sordid disgusting mess that was Illegitimate President Bucket of ----- involvement with beauty pageants.

www.rollingstone.com

You have numerous allegations from former teen contestants that said Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- entered the dressing room when girls were changing.

#34 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-10 10:55 PM | Reply

"Trump asked one of the girls her age, and when she said she was 14, Trump replied, "Wow! Just think -- in a couple of years I'll be dating you."
#30 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS"

You don't seem too bright, so the fact that your links clearly show that Trump is not a pedophile (hence the need to wait) probably escapes you.

#35 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:55 PM | Reply

ira, you've gone full ------.

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-08-10 10:54 PM | REPLY

International Reprobate Association.

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-10 10:57 PM | Reply

From the Miami Herald article:

Giuffre's lawyer, David Boies, said there is nothing in the Maxwell case that showed any wrongdoing by Clinton, Gore or Trump.

"We know both Trump and Clinton were associated with Epstein at various times in various ways, but in terms of what we have, there's no indication that any of the three of them did anything improper.''


#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 10:57 PM | Reply

sexualizing a 10 year old is what pedophiles do.

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-10 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"yeah, pedophilia goes away when you switch to republican.
ira, you've gone full ------.
#32 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

At least put in a half-assed effort to reply to the argument rather than just create strawmen. Epstein's ring trapped Democrat elite - politicians and supporters/donors. So, I am not claiming pedophilia goes away with age, I am claiming that Epstein specifically targeted Democrats - which the list of names proves.

#39 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And yet Kavanaugh sits on the Supreme Court. I'm sure you are ok with that?
Hypocrite.
#33 | POSTED BY REDIAL "

His accuser was not credible and told multiple lies in front of the senate. She should be in jail right now.

#40 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:00 PM | Reply

"You don't seem too bright, so the fact that your links clearly show that Trump is not a pedophile (hence the need to wait) probably escapes you."

The same can be said of Bill Clinton, but the need to wait when it comes to him seems to have escaped you.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:00 PM | Reply

"Giuffre's lawyer, David Boies, said there is nothing in the Maxwell case that showed any wrongdoing by Clinton, Gore or Trump.
#37 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

We have a patterns of behavior by Gore - or did you forget the rub-n-tug charges against him?

#42 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:01 PM | Reply

His accuser was not credible and told multiple lies in front of the senate. She should be in jail right now.

You really are scum.

#43 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-10 11:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

ira- put in a half assed effort to not defend pedophiles.

trump ball washer.

#44 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-10 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The same can be said of Bill Clinton, but the need to wait when it comes to him seems to have escaped you.
#41 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

I well wait to see what else comes out on Clinton. Him ditching his security team is very alarming. He also has a history of very poor decision-making. Wasn't Monica 18? I could see him dipping his wick in a girl under that age but we have to wait for actual proof - but it doesn't look good for him.

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#42 I don't remember any allegations about Gore being a pedophile.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:06 PM | Reply

"You really are scum.
#43 | POSTED BY YAV"

She is a straight up liar from her fear of flying nonsense to the story of telling her shrink when they pulled the construction permits years earlier - so they could have a rental unit (not a 2nd means of escape nonsense). Her entire mannerisms were fake. Sorry to see you fell for it - it did a lot of damage to actual rape victims.

#47 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yawn.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-10 11:07 PM | Reply

She is a straight up liar from her fear of flying nonsense to the story of telling her shrink when they pulled the construction permits years earlier - so they could have a rental unit (not a 2nd means of escape nonsense). Her entire mannerisms were fake. Sorry to see you fell for it - it did a lot of damage to actual rape victims.

Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:06 PM | Reply

You and Jeff must be related.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-10 11:08 PM | Reply

#42 I don't remember any allegations about Gore being a pedophile.
#46 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

We have a history of Gore wanting rub-n-tug massages and we have Epstein's MO being to provide rub-n-tug massages. Bet Gore is wishing he checked the ID before the massage right about now as Global Warming heat will be the smallest of his concerns.

#50 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:09 PM | Reply

#49 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

You believed her? Do you think Kavanaugh should be in jail.

#51 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:10 PM | Reply

Wasn't Monica 18?

She was. About 5 years before she met Bill Clinton.

#52 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-10 11:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

You believed her? Do you think Kavanaugh should be in jail.

Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:10 PM | Reply

Yes I absolutely believe her and yes I do if statutes of limitations hasn't run out.

#53 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-10 11:13 PM | Reply

"We have a history of Gore wanting rub-n-tug massages"

I'm not familiar with accusations against Gore and haven't been able to find such a history. I found one accusation which was investigated, twice, before Gore was cleared by police:

Al Gore Cleared; Former VP Baffled by Sex Assault Allegations

www.cbsnews.com

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:19 PM | Reply

"Yes I absolutely believe her and yes I do if statutes of limitations hasn't run out.
53 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

They have not run out - the police even said they would investigate if she pressed charges. She refused. I have my assumptions for why that was. I think she is a 100% liar. I think she was a typical Dem that wants to keep control of the court by any means necessary. Thank god she was not successful.

#55 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:19 PM | Reply

They have not run out - the police even said they would investigate if she pressed charges. She refused. I have my assumptions for why that was. I think she is a 100% liar. I think she was a typical Dem that wants to keep control of the court by any means necessary. Thank god she was not successful.

Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:19 PM | Reply

What a waste of time you are. Time for some wine to forget me ever talking to you.

#56 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-10 11:21 PM | Reply

"I'm not familiar with accusations against Gore and haven't been able to find such a history. I found one accusation which was investigated, twice,
#54 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

You must not be very good with the Google.

www.businessinsider.com

That is at least 3 massage therapists accusing him. Not a pattern?

#57 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:22 PM | Reply

"I have yet to see any allegations against Ken Starr as a pedophile. Have you?"

Starr has a history of mishandling an inconvenient sexual assault case:

Kenneth Starr Resigns As Chancellor Amid Sex Assault Case Controversy

lawandcrime.com

It's therefore not a stretch to think he might have tried to cover up Epstein's sexual assaults.

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 Hmm, from your link:

"Read the full story here, at The Enquirer >>>"

Not exactly the most trustworthy source.

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:26 PM | Reply

The End of Ken Starr's Ties to Baylor Univeristy

The school's former president and chancellor, who was demoted over how he handled sexual-assault allegations, will leave the faculty.

www.theatlantic.com

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:31 PM | Reply

"Starr has a history of mishandling an inconvenient sexual assault case:
#58 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Looking the other way? Maybe. Being a pedophile - no evidence. As I said, all the people so far ensnared were all prominent Democrats at the time of the crimes.

#61 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Not to say that the GOP does not have pedophiles. There is a great documentary on youtube going into a pedo ring at the time of Bush 1 (Nebraska or Oklahoma I believe) that they used for political control.

#62 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:34 PM | Reply

"Looking the other way? Maybe. Being a pedophile - no evidence. As I said, all the people so far ensnared were all prominent Democrats at the time of the crimes."

I never said he was a pedophile. I said he wasn't likely looking the other way when it came to Epstein in order to defend Bill Clinton and Democrats:

"Also Ken Starr was one of Epstein's attorneys. He didn't do that to help Bill Clinton and the Dems."

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Not to say that the GOP does not have pedophiles."

Dennis Hastert, GOP Speaker of the House during Bill Clinton's impeachment, went to prison for being a pedophile while he was a high school coach prior to his speakership.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:37 PM | Reply

in order to defend = in order to protect

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-10 11:38 PM | Reply

"As I said, all the people so far ensnared were all prominent Democrats at the time of the crimes."

Let's say you are right and Epstein only compromised Democrats with his pedophile ring. Then perhaps he did so in conjunction with Republicans, so that they could use the videos to blackmail the Democrats. That could be the reason Starr defended Epstein--to keep the blackmail scheme going and to protect the Republican blackmailers from being discovered. At this point no one knows for sure and anything seems possible.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 12:12 AM | Reply

"Then perhaps he did so in conjunction with Republicans, so that they could use the videos to blackmail the Democrats.
#66 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

It could be - you are correct that anything is possible in this case. I think the 2 most likely are, however, Epstein went after rich/powerful Dems because that is who he had more access to in Miami and NYC, not really picking a party but it was just easier access. Given this, I think the 2 scenarios are:

1.) He did this all on his own in a money scam (explains the lack of an actual trading operation)
2.) He was foreign intelligence - with the money bet being Mossad

#2 makes sense because if Mossad wants Israel handouts/political cover, it is the Dems that they need to keep in line as the GOP falls over themselves trying to pander without blackmail materials. If Mossad gets the Dems on board, they get carte blanc - which is what we have witnessed.

#67 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 12:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dennis Hastert, GOP Speaker of the House during Bill Clinton's impeachment, went to prison for being a pedophile while he was a high school coach prior to his speakership.

#64 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I don't believe you know what a pedophile is since you're misusing the term:

www.merriam-webster.com

Definition of pedophilia
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child

Epstein isn't a pedophile either, he's a creep or a pervert. But not a pedophile.

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-11 12:31 AM | Reply

You believed her? Do you think Kavanaugh should be in jail.

Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 11:10 PM | Reply

Yes I absolutely believe her and yes I do if statutes of limitations hasn't run out.

#53 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I wish she would have filed charges. That investigation would have been hilarious. If it somehow went to trial, that would have been hysterical. Her story had more holes than swiss cheese and to watch a competent defense attorney pick apart her entire story would have been priceless.

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 01:00 AM | Reply

sexual acts with a prepubescent child

#68 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Correct. I've pointed this out before. In fairness to Gal, "pedophile" is often misused. Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Roy Moore is not a pedophile. Moore is a sexual predator, but not a pedophile.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 01:03 AM | Reply

I wish she would have filed charges. That investigation would have been hilarious. If it somehow went to trial, that would have been hysterical. Her story had more holes than swiss cheese and to watch a competent defense attorney pick apart her entire story would have been priceless.

Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 01:00 AM | Reply

More garbage from the usual suspect. Not surprised in the least.

#71 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-11 01:07 AM | Reply

More garbage from the usual suspect. Not surprised in the least.

#71 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Her story was a sick joke. Deal with it.

Lemme guess - you believe Julie Swetnick too, right?

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 01:29 AM | Reply

Why wasn't Jeffrey Epstein on Suicide Watch?

Because that would make it a lot harder to kill him.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-11 01:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"#72 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

Anyone still standing by Ford is a moron or so hyper-partisan that it makes rationale thought impossible. I wish Kavanaugh would have sued her for defamation or that the FBI would have taken upon themselves to investigate and get statements from her under oath. The GOP was so worried with the optics that Ford was given way too much respect for the type of story she was trying to spin. Now that the hearings are over, they needed to come after her hard. If she is telling the truth, we have a rapist on the USSC. If she is lying, she needs to be thrown in jail and an example made of her so we never have this type of hatchet job occur again. I think any investigation serious about determining if she is telling the truth would make even the Dems blush with the lack of evidence for what this girl claimed along with the outright lies.

Further, Feinstein should have been under investigation for leaking and then lying to the Senate about that. Of course the leak came from her office.

That is the type of people you attract as Dems - liars like Ford, Creepy Porn Liar, and the other liars that came out of the woodwork before recanting. That spectacle was sickening.

#74 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#74 | Posted by iragoldberg

You're like a poor man's Michael Weiner, er, Savage. Crazy talk. You should do a podcast.

#75 | Posted by americanunity at 2019-08-11 02:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#75 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

You sound like a brain dead lib that wants to redefine the justice system so that people need to prove their innocence. You did it with Kavanaugh. You did it with Trump Russia collusion. You kind are a threat to what America stands for. You make me sick.

#76 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 02:15 AM | Reply

Ira,

Keep in mind that guilt in the political world is completely different than guilt in the legal world.

In politics, guilt is perception and it's adjudicated at the ballot box.

In the courts the standard rules apply.

It's this distinction that I chose to go after Laura's absurd and habitual absurdity.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 02:20 AM | Reply

#76 | Posted by iragoldberg

You're sick from drinking too much of the crazy kool aid. Here's ya go:

www.walgreens.com

#78 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 02:24 AM | Reply

You sound like a brain dead lib that wants to redefine the justice system so that people need to prove their innocence. You did it with Kavanaugh. You did it with Trump Russia collusion. You kind are a threat to what America stands for. You make me sick.

Posted by iragoldberg

Trump just shared fringe conspiracy theories about Epstein and Bill Clinton.

Trump Shares Unfounded Epstein-Clinton Conspiracy Theory

See? You have it all backwards! Quit drinking the Krazy Kool Aid and you might feel better :)

#79 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 02:39 AM | Reply

So, you were saying about 'guilty until proven innocent?' (sic)

#80 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 02:39 AM | Reply

#77 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Where I break with you on that is even a completely false allegation has devastating effects on the life of the accused. This effect is so devastating that the bar needs to be extremely high for making it - or remedies by the accused have to be such that they can deter false allegations. In the case of Ford, she never should have had her story aired at all given she didn't have a time, place, any evidence of anything really. Also, she refused to press charges at the time or any time thereafter. This is a he said/she said - but the 'she said' was refuted by everyone she identified as a potential witness - including her own friend.

I understand why she did it - by any means necessary to keep control of the court. She was not the only nutter - we had 4 or 5 come out before recanting under threat of prosecution. I don't care if Kavanaugh was running for city dog catcher - nobody should be subjected to that. It is akin to the Title IX nonsense on college campuses.

At some point, trying to destroy someone's reputation for purely political reasons needs to be treated by jail time and sued into bankruptcy.

#81 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 02:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"See? You have it all backwards! Quit drinking the Krazy Kool Aid and you might feel better :)
#79 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

I think Clinton was involved in Epstein's sex ring. The evidence for that is 1000x stronger than anything Ford had on Kavanaugh. I know that you already know this but your reflexive 'need to defend the Clinton's' instincts overpower your judgement. That said, if Clinton was trying to be confirmed by the Senate, I would not bring up him killing Vince Foster or his sex with Epstein's underage girls - those allegations (despite being way stronger than anything Ford had), don't meet the bar for being discussed in a serious setting - yet...

#82 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 02:44 AM | Reply

Trump's a more likely suspect. See how that works?

Buy the vomit bags. The ad says they're super absorbent!

#83 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 02:45 AM | Reply

#83 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Yeah - you said that about Russia too and we all see how that turned out. Did you miss the where I stated these allegations should not be used against them? That is how we need to proceed with allegations this vile.

#84 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 02:50 AM | Reply

Did you miss the where I stated these allegations should not be used against them? That is how we need to proceed with allegations this vile.

#84 | Posted by iragoldberg

And then you say "I think Clinton was involved in Epstein's sex ring."

See why you're sick? You're getting it from your own BS :)

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 02:56 AM | Reply

Yeah - you said that about Russia too and we all see how that turned out.

Trump answered "I can't remember" 35 times during his WRITTEN answers. The man who bragged about his incredible memory. He was so 'innocent' he fired the Director of the FBI, wanted to fire Sessions, and has prevented anyone in his circle from testifying.

All this from a man who's proclaimed his innocence from the highest hills. Oops. Not how an innocent man acts.

We haven't heard the end of the Russian story yet ...

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 03:01 AM | Reply

"He was so 'innocent' he fired the Director of the FBI, wanted to fire Sessions, and has prevented anyone in his circle from testifying."

So Comey should not have been fired? He was a criminal referral already - and this is before Barr's investigation even got started. As for Sessions - he was useless. He should have been fired immediately when he recused himself.

"We haven't heard the end of the Russian story yet ...
#86 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

As far as Trump's non-existent involvement - that is over. If you are still claiming that, InfoWars is laughing at you. As far as the Dem collusion, Fusion GPS, Steele, and Deep State malfeasance - yes, that is still an active investigation. Russians had no impact on 2016 - they did have one on 2018 due to Democrat nonsense. Take away the Russian nonsense and the GOP keeps the house in 2018. That is Russian interference - as coordinated with the witless Dems.

#87 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 03:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

The question is "Why wasn't Jeffrey Epstein on Suicide Watch?

Sometimes the best answer is the one staring us right in the face.

In which case, SPEAKS nailed it.

"Because that would make it a lot harder to kill him."

#88 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-11 03:31 AM | Reply

As far as Trump's non-existent involvement - that is over.

Congress and several state and federal prosecutors have ongoing investigations of Trump and Russia and money laundering and ...

#89 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 03:36 AM | Reply

IRA

I'm going to bed. Whatever gets you through the night. Even if it's your laughable nonsense ...

Have a good day today.

#90 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-11 03:38 AM | Reply

I wish she would have filed charges. That investigation would have been hilarious. If it somehow went to trial, that would have been hysterical.

Jeff thinks rape trials are "hysterical."

Just further evidence of how debased the Trump cult is.

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-11 03:53 AM | Reply

"Have a good day today."

You too. Make you there aren't any Russians hiding under your bed before you turn out the night light.

#92 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 03:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At any rate, Epstein is dead. His victims didn't get their day in court like they wanted. However, there still could be some financial restitution in a civil case against his estate.

That is, if the lawyers don't strip it bare first. Lawyers don't mind victimizing victims a second time if they see enough $zeros$ in Epstein's estate to make it worth their while.

#93 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-11 04:53 AM | Reply

I hope Vlad is paying Sheeple/Goldberg overtime.
His pretzel arguments, deflections, And whataboutisms have tied him in a knot.

#94 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-11 05:39 AM | Reply

#64 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
I don't believe you know what a pedophile is since you're misusing the term:
www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of pedophilia
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
specifically : a psychiatric disorder in which an adult has sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a prepubescent child
Epstein isn't a pedophile either, he's a creep or a pervert. But not a pedophile.
#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 07:43 AM | Reply

#95 I was using the term introduced and used by Ira repeatedly in this thread. Interesting that you decided to correct me but not him.

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 07:45 AM | Reply

"Correct. I've pointed this out before. In fairness to Gal, "pedophile" is often misused. Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Roy Moore is not a pedophile. Moore is a sexual predator, but not a pedophile."

The reason I used the term with regard to Hastert is statements like this:

Here is a look at the life of Dennis Hastert, former Republican speaker of the House. Hastert was sentenced to 15 months in prison in a hush money case that revealed he was being accused of sexually abusing young boys as a teacher in Illinois.
www.cnn.com

I don't know the ages of all of Hastert's victims. Perhaps they were all teens and not technically "young boys" and so he is not a pedophile. A number of so-called pedophile priests probably aren't pedophiles either if their victims weren't prepubescent. I just find it interesting that Sheeple's alter ego introduces the term in this thread and uses it repeatedly, but Sheeple decides to correct me:

Spin it however you want libbies - but it is the Dem elite that was doing the dirty with Epstein - not Trump:
...
Bill Clinton will still go down as a pedo...only question is how many more Dems go down with him.
#6 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-10 10:15 PM

#97 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 08:00 AM | Reply

"I think the 2 most likely are, however, Epstein went after rich/powerful Dems because that is who he had more access to in Miami and NYC, not really picking a party but it was just easier access."

Miami? Epstein had a mansion in West Palm Beach a few miles from Mar-a-logo.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 08:07 AM | Reply

Russians hiding under your bed before you turn out the night light.
................#92 | Posted by iragoldberg

like the ones masquerading as Ashkkkenazi...?

#99 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-08-11 08:13 AM | Reply

anyway you slice it...

trump made Acosta a member of his cabinet.....possibly BECAUSE he made Epstein such a sweetheart deal

and it's under trump's justice dept. that Epstein conveniently got dead

#100 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-08-11 08:17 AM | Reply

"Epstein isn't a pedophile either, he's a creep or a pervert. But not a pedophile."

Someone better tell Trump and whoever else uses the term "pedophile island" in association with Epstein:

Donald J. Trump Retweeted

BNL NEWS @BreakingNLive

BREAKING: Documents were unsealed yesterday revealing that top Democrats, including Bill Clinton, took private trips to Jeffrey Epstein's "pedophilia island"

#101 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 08:24 AM | Reply

[img]i.imgur.com[/img]

#102 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-08-11 09:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Posted by iragoldberg

LOL!

What a friggin' goofus.

#103 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-08-11 09:33 AM | Reply

"A number of so-called pedophile priests probably aren't pedophiles either if their victims weren't prepubescent. I just find it interesting that Sheeple's alter ego introduces the term in this thread and uses it repeatedly, but Sheeple decides to correct me:
Spin it however you want libbies - but it is the Dem elite that was doing the dirty with Epstein - not Trump:
#97 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

I am not interested in the DSM classification of pedophile just like I call BS on Comey arguing the meaning of the word "spy". Common usage in the English language for a pedophile is an adult that has sex with underage kids. I think most states have put into statutes to avoid criminalizing teenage couples that engage in sex after one turns an adult (like 3 year gap or whatever). However, if you are a 40+ year old guy sleeping with girls between the ages of 15-17, you are a pedophile in my book and pretty much every ordinary American you find on the street will agree with that usage. A 40+ year old guy hooking up with girls 18-20 fits the definition of creep - the Epstein clan are pedophiles.

If you are confused, look to the French: 1/2 * your age + 7, anything under that and you are a creep....and yes, that includes Trump.

#104 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 09:48 AM | Reply

Jeff thinks rape trials are "hysterical."

Just further evidence of how debased the Trump cult is.

#91 | POSTED BY JOE A

Her story had so many holes in it....If you are honest with yourself (we know that is never the case) you'd admit that, as a lawyer, you wouldn't touch her case with a 10-foot pole if she actually wanted to pursue it.

#105 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 09:59 AM | Reply

Her story had so many holes in it...

I like how every rightwinger turned into Perry Mason the moment she made her allegations. You don't know whether she was raped, regardless of what she can and cannot recalll at this point. Assuming she believes she was raped, and has suffered trauma as a result, you think having a rape victim's story aired out in a courtroom would be "hysterical?"

as a lawyer, you wouldn't touch her case with a 10-foot pole

I'm not a criminal prosecutor, so i won't comment on that. I do, however, find it quite odd that someone who claims his wife was sexually assaulted has such a cavalier attitude toward other potential victims. Please let me know what your pre-trial standard of proof is for rape trials to not be "hysterical." Maybe ask your wife?

#106 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-11 10:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I like how every rightwinger turned into Perry Mason the moment she made her allegations."

No Perry Mason needed - hell Hamilton Burger would have won this one easy. She doesn't know the time, place, has no physical evidence, told no one about it at the time of the incident or for years after, and her identified witnesses (including her own friend) says she is full of ----. This would never make it to the charging phase. Now, throw on top of that her demonstrated lie about telling her shrink + the lie about the fear of flying and this is a slam dunk could probably even manage to not screw up and lose.

"Please let me know what your pre-trial standard of proof is for rape trials to not be "hysterical." Maybe ask your wife?
#106 | POSTED BY JOE "

I would start with ANY evidence whatsoever and go from there - Ford did not have that.

Remember, the only victim here was Kavanaugh.

#107 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 10:28 AM | Reply

However, if you are a 40+ year old guy sleeping with girls between the ages of 15-17, you are a pedophile in my book and pretty much every ordinary American you find on the street will agree with that usage. A 40+ year old guy hooking up with girls 18-20 fits the definition of creep - the Epstein clan are pedophiles.

If you are confused, look to the French: 1/2 * your age + 7, anything under that and you are a creep....and yes, that includes Trump.

#104 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

You're dangerously wrong.

The term pedophile is a specific term defined as an adult having sexual fantasies about or engages in sexual acts with a child. The term pedophile should not be diluted in any way, and would only benefit pedophiles who want to diminish their crimes against children by later claiming it was a teen.

There's a huge difference. Sexual predators who target underage teens like Epstein are creeps and perverts who should likewise pay the price. But never let a pedophile off the hook that he was abusing innocent children by lumping them in with powerful men paying to have sex with teens.

It's two different scenarios. Children are not sexually active, whereas 30% of teens are, and 99% are talking about it.

#108 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-11 11:59 AM | Reply

I like how every rightwinger turned into Perry Mason the moment she made her allegations. You don't know whether she was raped, regardless of what she can and cannot recalll at this point. Assuming she believes she was raped, and has suffered trauma as a result, you think having a rape victim's story aired out in a courtroom would be "hysterical?"

She isn't saying she was raped. She thought that might have been the end-goal - that it probably was - but it never got that far.

as a lawyer, you wouldn't touch her case with a 10-foot pole
----
I'm not a criminal prosecutor, so i won't comment on that.

That is wise. However you do have a law degree and more knowledge about this type of case than the typical layman given your background. Given that, I'm not at all surprised that you won't comment on that. If she were to actually press charges the case would get thrown out in pre-trial and you know it.

Please let me know what your pre-trial standard of proof is for rape trials to not be "hysterical."

#106 | POSTED BY JOE

It would be hysterical from the standpoint of trying to prosecute a case based upon the evidence available. The humor of this has nothing to do with whether or not she suffered a traumatic event - I don't know if she did or didn't. The humor would derive from trying to prosecute a case based upon all of the evidence available, especially the other people she named to have been present, none of whom (including a lifelong and sympathetic friend) recall any such gathering.

#109 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 02:57 PM | Reply

"The evidence for that is 1000x stronger than anything Ford had on Kavanaugh. "

Republican Math™ strikes again.

#110 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-11 03:33 PM | Reply

#110

Was that supposed to be funny?

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-11 05:09 PM | Reply

[img]i.imgur.com[/img]

#112 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-08-11 05:40 PM | Reply

He was. But a lot of people -- too manhy people -- wanted him dead. SO a blind eye was turned.

This is one death the Ds and Rs are not going to quibble ovver.

#113 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-11 09:59 PM | Reply

"This is one death the Ds and Rs are not going to quibble ovver.
#113 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

Tell me the name of prominent Republican that had any allegation against them by any of Epstein's girls. This was a Dem thing through and through. The really sick thing is how many prominent Dems continued to have contact with him after his initial arrest.

#114 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 10:43 PM | Reply

#114 I dunno. Definitely Ds have a lot to lose had Epstein lived, but I sniff R involvement as well.

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-11 10:59 PM | Reply

"#115 | POSTED BY GOATMAN "

I don't see it. Every name associated with Epstein participating in the crimes was a D at that time. Every single one.

#116 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-11 11:08 PM | Reply

"I don't see it. Every name associated with Epstein participating in the crimes was a D at that time. Every single one."

Not really:

Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.

en.wikipedia.org

Katie Johnson had named Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in a $100 million lawsuit, accusing them of having solicited sex acts from her at sex parties held at the Manhattan homes of Epstein and Trump back in 1994 (when Johnson was just 13 years old):

www.snopes.com

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 11:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oops.
Ira got caught putting his wishes ahead of reality.
Or just lying.
Again.

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-11 11:54 PM | Reply

You don't know whether she was raped, regardless of what she can and cannot recalll at this point. - #106 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-11 10:06 AM
However, we do know that she never claimed that Kavanaugh raped her, but you keep on with your made up 'what if's.
We have as much evidence that Kavanaugh raped her as we have that Kavanaugh raped you.

#119 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-12 10:42 AM | Reply

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-11 11:40 PM
You quoted the part " participating in the crimes" and just ignored it by pointing at Trump who hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing by any of the abused ladies.

#120 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-12 11:06 AM | Reply

Link didn't carry.
www.inquisitr.com

#121 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-12 11:15 AM | Reply

Why all the BS? Because he was white and had money?

A pedo facing substatial jail time (life imprisonment?) trys to off himself but is not sucessful and is successfull about a week later.

Seem to me he made an informed choice to avoid judgement inside the penitentiary, where the consequences for his actions would be life-threatning.

Not exactly rocket science.

But hey lets blow a million dollars investigating ---------.

#122 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-08-12 02:46 PM | Reply

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