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Sunday, August 11, 2019

[Ezra] Klein identifies the biggest challenge Democrats face that almost no one is talking about ... The answers candidates gave to this problem over the two nights of debates indicate to me that they haven't been paying attention to how things have changed over the last decade. As a starting point, Democrats need to do an accurate analysis of what's happening and abandon the notion that uniting or fighting will fix things. From there, it is imperative that they find a way to communicate how our political system is broken and be clear about who is responsible.

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Mitch McConnell and the Republicans made it clear long ago that, as Zachary Roth put it, "being outnumbered doesn't mean losing."

Almost everything the majority leader does is wildly unpopular with voters. But he's figured out a few things that Democrats haven't grappled with yet, which is how to break our political system so that it doesn't work anymore.

As Klein wrote, all of that is radicalizing voters against government itself, which is what Mike Lofgren pointed out eight years ago ...

"A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner." -- Mike Lofgren


Not, a, pretty, picture.

Welcome to the United States of Dysfunction

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 11:31 AM | Reply

Republicans have perfected the traitorous art of sabotaging government so almost nothing gets done, even on issues that have broad bipartisan support like gun control ...

Republicans have broken our country, and Democrats need to come up with new ideas that clearly explains this fact that also offers practical solutions rooted reality ... so voters have an un-muddied understanding of who stands for what in our binary election system.

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

From the article ...

No one has to suggest that Obamacare solved all of the problems with health care or that rejoining the Paris climate accord is sufficient.

But a failure to call out Republicans for their blatant attempts to break our political system while dismissing the progress Democrats have been able to achieve only exacerbates the problem...

... not to mention the fact that it comes close to inferring something similar to Trump's "I alone can fix this."

Like it or not, politics is a team sport and when players are constantly pointing to the inadequacies of others on their team, it is a losing strategy.

Frankly, there aren't any easy answers to the problem Klein described so well.


Democrats should've already impeached Trump for being a traitor, despite the probable GOP-led Senate acquittal.

Standing up and clearly showing what you're for, while showing what Republicans are for, sways voters.

Democrats can't get bogged down in details that has them fighting with each other.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 12:02 PM | Reply

Congress' favorability?

Congress sucks but not my party's candidate, representative, senator, governor, mayor, president, or inmate.

My party is the majority. The minority should just follow our lead. Elections have consequences.

My party is the minority. We must stop the majority at all cost as this isn't mob rule. It's not x-ist to stop them.

We can't let them stack the courts (that's what we want to do).

That other party is wrong and mine is right.

#4 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-11 01:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#4 | Posted by Petrous

You're an idiot.

#5 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-08-11 01:41 PM | Reply

This isn't Dwight Eisenhower's republican party.

this is the new iteration of jefferson davis's confederacy

we are in the midst of a "soft" civil war

donald trump is a traitor

#6 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-08-11 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#4 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Former Republican Mike Lofgren, who is quoted in post #1, makes all this easy to understand ...

truthout.org

Leslie Thatcher for Truthout: Mike, in the title of your book, you describe the Republicans as "crazy," but in articles and interviews here and elsewhere, you've described their tactics as deliberate political terrorism.

How are those policies crazy for the super-funders who determine GOP policy?

Mike Lofgren: That is an interesting question that goes to the heart of a paradoxical aspect of the GOP. Of course people like the Koch brothers or Sheldon Adelson are engaging in a rational exercise to maximize their wealth.

Their contributions will come back manifold in the form of tax breaks, subsidies, and exclusive franchises.

The primary purpose of the GOP these days is to provide tax breaks and other financial advantages (such as not regulating pollution and other socially costly externalities) to their wealthy donor base.

All the rest of their platform, all the culture wars stuff, is simply rube bait.

One cannot get a majority of voters – who are decidedly non-rich – to knowingly pull the lever for a party that nakedly says "our platform is further enrichment of the wealthy, and, oh, by the way, we're also going to make your retirement benefits take a hit."

That's where deep psychological insight comes into play.

Most people, even when they have a sneaking suspicion that they are being shafted economically, are not well attuned to the complexities of credit default swaps, the London Interbank Offered Rate, or quantitative easing.

And the media are definitely not interested in wising them up, especially when they can instead supply celebrity interviews, singing contests, or commercialized orgies like the opening ceremonies of the Olympics.

Since the GOP is loath to tell the public in straightforward terms what their economic agenda is, and the media are not exactly forcing the GOP's hand, and, finally, the people are operating in a knowledge deficit, Republicans respond by sleight of hand:

"We're more American than that Kenyan socialist in the White House!" Or "The Obama administration is riddled with Muslim extremists." Or "Planned Parenthood is taxpayer-subsidized murder." Or "Obama wants to take away your guns."

Even "Obama raised your taxes," when in fact he lowered them.

Stuff that is not terribly persuasive to well-informed people, but a lot of people are surprisingly ill-informed, and very few institutions – the corporate media least of all – have any interest in their being well-informed.


You undoubtedly think of yourself as well-informed.

So, since we're the richest country in the world, why are we doling out $2 Trillion in free tax payer money to corporations already making record profits, when half the country is poor and can't afford an unplanned $400 expense?

Answer that.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This thread sounds like a loser's lament.

#8 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-11 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This article is all over the place, and the only meaningful thing it appears to say is "Frankly, there aren't any easy answers to the problem Klein described so well."

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 02:31 PM | Reply

This thread sounds like a loser's lament.

#8 | POSTED BY RAY

Answer my question from post # 7 ...

... since we're the richest country in the world, why are we doling out $2 Trillion in free tax payer money to corporations already making record profits, when half the country is poor and can't afford an unplanned $400 expense?

Mike Lofgren, who as a Republican who worked on Capitol Hill for 28 years, is pretty clear (post # 1, Post # 7, and the above you-tube interview) ...

If you're a millionaire or billionaire, then I fully understand why you would vote for Republicans.

If you're not a Republican millionaire or billionaire, then what do you know that Mike Lofgren doesn't know, that explains you voting for Republicans?

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 02:40 PM | Reply

"Democrats should've already impeached Trump for being a traitor, despite the probable GOP-led Senate acquittal."

It would be a complete waste of political capital. The acquittal would play right into the hands of those saying it was just like the Clinton impeachment, except without the salacious sex scandal that people actually wanted to read about.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 02:53 PM | Reply

This article is all over the place, and the only meaningful thing it appears to say is "Frankly, there aren't any easy answers to the problem Klein described so well."

#9 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

The answer is that the Republican Party is an insurrectionist political party committed to party over country, and will burn down government at any cost to win -- winning being the enrichment of their donors and themselves.

By contrast, here's the ...

Republican Party Platform of 1956

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers.

Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers.

There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform.

All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.


It used to be that Republicans were proud of strengthening FDR programs like Social Security, and even bragged about raising the minmum wage and strengthening labor unions.

The 1950s was when America created a middle-class that was the envy of the entire world.

So what happened?

Just follow the political rhetoric starting in the late 1970s up till today, and it's not hard to understand what happened.

So what's the solution to America's dysfunctional problems? Pretty much doing the opposite of what got us here.

And, as ex-Republican Mike Lofgren points out in his book, Democrats became useless because they're also in the tank for their wealthy donors. That said, at least Democrats make the pretense of being for ordinary Americans (as Lofgren has documented).

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In the precious seconds of a debate statement politicians barely define who they are let alone assert what the countries fix is.

#13 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-08-11 03:13 PM | Reply

It would be a complete waste of political capital. The acquittal would play right into the hands of those saying it was just like the Clinton impeachment, except without the salacious sex scandal that people actually wanted to read about.

#11 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You're not understanding what's going on.

Republicans ARE NOT AFRAID of tearing down the Untied States in order to get what they want, understand? Impeachment of Bill Clinton? No problem. Hypocritical public statements about tax cuts? Sure! Obfuscate complicated issues like healthcare? Easy peasy ~

Republicans play up the culture wars to mask their motives, and, to repeat myself, are not afraid of polls or public backlash -- they just do it and damn the consequences.

Democrats, by comparison, traditionally get bogged down in useless details and only offer tepid responses to the 'political terrorism' (Lofgren's term) that Republicans engage in.

And as for traitor Trump who sold out America in Helsinki for all the world to see, impeach him. If the Quisling GOP-led Senate acquits, so be it. But only then will voters have a clear choice.

#14 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you defend one of the two parties over the other, thinking they have not harmed the public, then there is nothing to say to you.

Sorry, both parties suck. Stacking the courts is something both believe in.

They will drag down anyone to win. Destroy their own party competition. Then, after smearing them, they smile and support the filth that wins their nomination.

Then, everything is to destroy an opponent of the other party.

What has destroyed the reputation of the offices of our government are the elected.

How can a body be so disgusted by the populace yet get re-elected at every turn?

Both parties have the mud and blood on their hands. End lifetime politicians for the good of the country. We need 4 or more parties.

Close the bases worldwide. The wars are long over. Cut the MIC and focus on home and country. Responsible immigration and gun control.

Amend the Constitution. The citizens of the US are the militia of their State. Citizenship by birth to citizens only.

#15 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-11 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Cut the MIC and focus on home and country."

The MIC is only 3% of GDP; health care is 18%.

We've already done what you're asking.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-11 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You seemed to have missed the part of article where it points out the Democrats trying to be "bold" are failing just as much as the ones described as "tepid". At the very least, Democrats would need to articulate a message that's strong enough to convince the public before moving ahead on impeachment, even if they know conviction is unlikely. They clearly missed that boat when the Mueller report and testimony fizzled out.

www.nbcnews.com

Pelosi is clearly looking at numbers outside the hardcore base and believes it will backfire immensely.

"Republicans ... are not afraid of polls or public backlash -- they just do it and damn the consequences."

That's nonsense. Republicans definitely care about polls, but they care more about controlling the Senate and Executive Branch, which gives them the Supreme Court, than they do about the House of Representatives. So from their point of view, holding their noses and going along with Trump's garbage was a winning strategy in both 2016 and 2018.

"But only then will voters have a clear choice."

If voters aren't already convinced there's a clear choice, half-assed impeachment proceedings aren't going to change their minds.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 04:41 PM | Reply

Another thing that people seem to be forgetting is that the political pendulum tends to swing naturally. Those who are trying too hard to be an equal and opposite bold force to the aberration that's currently in office are interfering with the public's ability to judge whether he's being kept in check.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 04:48 PM | Reply

Answer my question from post # 7 ...
#10 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF
... since we're the richest country in the world, why are we doling out $2 Trillion in free tax payer money to corporations already making record profits, when half the country is poor and can't afford an unplanned $400 expense?

Because politicians are psychopathic. They can't stop themselves from stealing from the public.

If you're a millionaire or billionaire, then I fully understand why you would vote for Republicans.
If you're not a Republican millionaire or billionaire, then what do you know that Mike Lofgren doesn't know, that explains you voting for Republicans?

Haven't voted in thirty years. It's a scam to make voters think they have control over their government.

#19 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-11 04:52 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY PETROUS

I'm with you, both parties suck.

Adults do what adults do, mind you -- Mike Lofgren is doing the adult thing by clearly telling the truth and showing us all who is responsible for America's dysfunctional mess.

Again, Trump and chaos or some useless Democrat? Anyone but Trump.

I'd rather vote for FDR's wheelchair than vote for Trump. Anyone but Trump.

Last time, people were afraid of voting for Hillary. Why? Because she's transparently insincere? Who cares, at least she's not a traitor, unlike who's in the White House now. That was an adult decision on my part.

And all the culture wars stuff that you're referencing (and that Lofgren explains) would mostly go away if ordinary Americans (voters) had a sense of security by having dignified jobs and wages, a dignified retirement, affordable housing, affordable healthcare, affordable education ... everything that the middle-class once had, and all that is still attainable when Republicans aren't sucking the life out of America by looting the U.S. Treasury with tax cuts for the rich.

I say stop looking and waiting for perfect candidates to vote for and just do the adult thing -- anyone but Trump.

#20 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If voters aren't already convinced there's a clear choice, half-assed impeachment proceedings aren't going to change their minds.

#17 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Like a half-assed impeachment proceeding that had a Republican led House impeaching Bill Clinton, them knowing that a Democrat led Senate would acquit?

You're missing what this thread is about and what Mike Lofgren is getting at.

Republicans have perfected the art of breaking American's political process, and they're benefiting from it being broken -- that's a BIG problem.

And the Democrats are struggling to catch up.

I don't know about you, but I find all this just a little bit troubling -- if I had a few billion dollars in loose change rattling around in my dresser drawers I'd go ahead and buy the U.S. Congress and all the State Houses -- instead of knocking on doors for Bernie Sanders -- and fix all this myself.

#21 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 05:12 PM | Reply

"Like a half-assed impeachment proceeding that had a Republican led House impeaching Bill Clinton, them knowing that a Democrat led Senate would acquit?"

Ah, I see you are posting from an alternate universe where the Democrats controlled the Senate in the late '90s, rather the 55-45 majority Republicans had in the real universe. The fact of the matter is that even the Republicans waited until Clinton hung himself with the rope they gave him and basically admitted he committed the perjury crime on national TV on the either same day or the day after he did it.

"You're missing what this thread is about and what Mike Lofgren is getting at."

What does that have to do with impeachment? You haven't articulated how half-assed impeachment will successfully even raise awareness about, much less stop, the problem you're referencing. You're basically giving ammunition to those who say "both sides are the same" when you urge Democrats to behave the same way you perceived Republicans acting.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 05:59 PM | Reply

Ah, I see you are posting from an alternate universe where the Democrats controlled the Senate in the late '90s, rather the 55-45 majority Republicans had in the real universe.

Hey, you're right, Republicans did control the Senate. I stand corrected. See how easy that was, and no one died!

The merits of Clinton's impeachment were still BS since Fatso Gingrich and Henry Hyde were banging their girlfriends behind their wives backs.

That said, despite the acquittal, Republicans still won by using a seldom used political weapon to permanently stain Clinton's presidency and cement in the public's mind (with the help of Fox News) that all these blatant political shenanigans were normal -- something you've obviously swallowed hook line and sinker (no offense).

"You're missing what this thread is about and what Mike Lofgren is getting at."

What does that have to do with impeachment? You haven't articulated how half-assed impeachment will successfully even raise awareness about, much less stop, the problem you're referencing. You're basically giving ammunition to those who say "both sides are the same" when you urge Democrats to behave the same way you perceived Republicans acting.

#22 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

So you're saying if Democrats behave ethically, you'll vote for them over Trump? I don't believe you.

Again, you're not understanding all this.

The "both sides are the same" is one of the two problems clearly explained in the article at the top of the thread.

Both parties suck, but for different reasons.

-- Republicans are benefiting from breaking America's political process. The result is nothing gets done despite bipartisan consensus from the American public on the specific issues. Yet Republicans win elections. (Lofgren calls Republicans "crazy")

-- Democrats don't have an answer to Republican obstruction because of timidity, despite being right on the issues. Democrats keep losing elections despite winning a majority of votes. (Lofgren call Democrats "useless")

I don't want Democrats to continuously loot the U.S. Treasury like Republicans do ... I want Democrats to not be afraid to exercise power in standing up to Republicans so there's spending on things America needs; infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc. -- you know, I'm an American and my community can use nice things, like roads without pot-holes, along with my retirement not being stolen right before I need it.

Democrats impeaching Trump won't sway you, but it will sway knowledge deficit voters (both in the short term and long term) that Trump is a traitor (which is only the truth). With that attention, Democrats can easily pivot to issues that matter most to voters -- them being economically squeezed by Trump's BS trade and fiscal policies.

#23 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 06:55 PM | Reply

Hey, you're right, Republicans did control the Senate.

Not the 66% they needed to convict.

#24 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-11 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"but it will sway knowledge deficit voters"

Like Hillary Clinton swayed the "knowledge deficit voters" by repeating the same thing over and over, becoming louder and more annoying each time? Or how Obama's opponents thought they could sway people by calling them "low information voters"? You really know how to pick a losing strategy.

"that Trump is a traitor (which is only the truth)."

Unless Trump slips up and provides actual evidence of a crime (like Clinton did with his perjury), it's not going to sway anyone's opinion on it. Any attempt to pivot to more substantial issues would be drowned out or linked to this half-assed failure by the Republicans' fake outrage.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 08:01 PM | Reply

Like Hillary Clinton swayed the "knowledge deficit voters" by repeating the same thing over and over, becoming louder and more annoying each time? Or how Obama's opponents thought they could sway people by calling them "low information voters"? You really know how to pick a losing strategy.

Unless Trump slips up and provides actual evidence of a crime (like Clinton did with his perjury), it's not going to sway anyone's opinion on it. Any attempt to pivot to more substantial issues would be drowned out or linked to this half-assed failure by the Republicans' fake outrage.

#25 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Listen to what you're saying ...

You consider yourself well informed, yet you're making every excuse a voter who voted for Trump despite ...

1. Republicans, with Trump leading the charge, doing everything to ensure your standard of living remains stagnant despite the U.S. is the richest country in the world

2. Your retirement will be stolen or severely curtailed just before you need it.

3. You'll die a penniless and painful death due to healthcare costs and how the medicaid laws are written.

4. But all the America's taxes that are collected that could mitigate your situation will be INSTEAD given to millionaires, billionaires, and corporations already making record profits.

5. And you're voting for all this. Why? Because of Hillary being "shrill" and meaningless details of Bill Clinton being impeached over a bj?

Everything I just spelled out has been explained by a ex-GOP operative who was there when all this went down.

Dude, you haven't learned anything from this thread -- rube bait, GOP stealing your money, your unknowing culpability.

Wake uo and smell the coffee ~

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 08:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 line items listed:

1) Lowest unemployment in 49 years. Lowest minority unemployment ever

2) speculation

3) speculation

4) speculation

5) Answering your own question.

Try again without the logical fallacies

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-11 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hi Goatman !

Welcome to the thread, big fella!

Mike Lofgren spent 28 years as a GOP operative, he was there.

In fact, silly goose, Lofgren explains all this in post # 1, post # 7, and the 17 minute you-tube interview at the top of this thread.

You're not going to say YOU know more than Lofgren, right?

Welcome aboard, ya big lug!

#28 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 08:52 PM | Reply

What if you didn't like MMr. Lofgren's points? Would you still be holding high and insisting that he must know? I think not

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-11 08:55 PM | Reply

How does Mr. Llfgren know my retirement will be stolen? My retirement has nothing to do with the Republican party from which Mr. Lofgren allegly gains his wisdom according to you, pinchaloaf

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-11 08:57 PM | Reply

What crystal ball does Mr. Lofgren use to make the bold statement I'll die penniless? The same one he uses to make his health care prognostications?

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-11 08:59 PM | Reply

Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren , etc.

Looks like Oaf has a new cult leader. Hedrick Smith has dropped to No. 2.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-11 09:02 PM | Reply

Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren Mike Lofgren , etc.

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I swear on 1970s Wonder Woman's leggy red boots [hubba hubba] ...

That you posted that VERY same post back in 2012 when Lofgren published his VERY IMPORTANT book titled

The Party is Over: How Republicans Went Crazy, Democrats Became Useless, and the Middle Class Got Shafted
www.goodreads.com

Nice to see you know who Mike Lofgren is ~

If you want, I can send you a copy of his book. Whaddya say?

#33 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 09:14 PM | Reply

Looks like Oaf has a new cult leader. Hedrick Smith has dropped to No. 2.

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Not so fast.

They're co-Number 1's ... www.drudge.com

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 09:16 PM | Reply

It's funny how Pinche calls me uninformed when he demonstrated how he was misinformed earlier in the thread. And then he basically calls me a Trump voter. 0 for 2. He's proving every point I made

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 09:31 PM | Reply

It's funny how Pinche calls me uninformed when he demonstrated how he was misinformed earlier in the thread. And then he basically calls me a Trump voter. 0 for 2. He's proving every point I made

#35 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Yeah, I mistakely said the Democratics controlled the Senate during Bill Clinton's SUPER IMPORTANT impeachment proceedings due to his toad being stroked in the Oval Office.

But Trump stroking Putin's toad on foreign soil in front of the entire world after Russian meddling in our elections is as meaningless as your retirement being looted and your healthcare being taken away by the same Quisling-Republicans who impeached Clinton, but fail to act against Trump.

By the way, Spanky, since you didn't vote for Trump, who did you vote for? Lee Iacocca?

#36 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 09:52 PM | Reply

"Like Hillary Clinton swayed the "knowledge deficit voters" by repeating the same thing over and over, becoming louder and more annoying each time?"

Yes, Like Donald Trump swayed the "knowledge deficit voters" by repeating the same thing over and over, becoming louder and more annoying each time?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-11 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yawn. He's not even trying to make a coherent argument anymore and is going full ad hominem. Brilliant strategy that, attacking voters who aren't already 100% on board with both your views and your strategy of how to effect them. I suppose next he'll be trotting out the "your using Republican talking points" talking point. Because that goes down so well with voters in swing states.

Whatever else I think of her, I think Pelosi has a better sense of making political calculations than people who want to roar and hear themselves stating the obvious.

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 10:31 PM | Reply

Yawn.

#38 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Listening to Winger again? No wonder you're yawning.

Since you're not grasping what I'm saying to you, try listening to the 17 minute Mike Lofgren interview at the top of the thread ...

And 17 minutes is half the time it takes to plow thru Winger's last album, Demo Anthology.

Winger, or Lofgren.

Yawning, or learning.

Devolving, or evolving.

#39 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-11 10:43 PM | Reply

Mike Lofgren is the Winger of politics.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-11 10:55 PM | Reply

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't bag on Winger. They are AWESOME SAUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-11 10:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people.

Dem candidates infuriate me by not calling out republican obstruction. Dems should be running as hard against the republican party as they are running against the republican candidate. However, because they have a few republican "friends" that will never take a public position contrary to party leaders, dems don't want to denounce the republican party.

Perhaps its the role of the DNC to take on the republican party. If so, the DNC isn't doing its job. Their mantra should be if you want government to work, vote for democrats up and down the ticket. DNC ads should feature all the obstruction, corruption and democracy threatening policies of republican governance at the federal and state levels.

#42 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-08-12 05:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS

Agree 100% with everything you're saying.

#43 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-12 07:07 AM | Reply

There is an informal power sharing agreement between the two primary parties which is formalized in writing for the national debates. This includes not just limiting criticism of our sick system, but claiming it is the best. Violators cannot expect to be funded by their respective party.

#44 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-08-12 11:57 AM | Reply

The biggest issue the Dems have is how to beat Trump when the economy is thriving. Real tough.

#45 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-08-12 12:05 PM | Reply

Why are all these republicans giving advice to the Democrats? Do they think we are going to roll over and give up? It seems to me that they are saying that the only way to pass any legislature is to give up on our policies and principals and propose republican legislation. Sorry to tell you (r)s but capitulation is not negotiation and allowing debate is not a concession.

Just as it ever was, voting is like driving

(r) for backwards
(d) for forwards

Onward and upward!

#46 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-12 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just as it ever was, voting is like driving

(r) for backwards
(d) for forwards

Perfect!

#47 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-12 05:07 PM | Reply

Thank you. This article could not have come at a better time.

Dems, if you have any question as to why Reps are winning seats. If you can't understand why anyone opposes the moral center you try to live by. If you have difficulty accepting someone else as your POTUS. This article is a shining beacon of example and explanation. Not because the author got anything right, it's because the author hits every checkbox on the "Why I can't vote Democrat" list. Smug? Check. Baseless accusations? Check. Thinking everything that is wrong is because of everyone but you? Check. Understanding politics but not leaving your fantasy world? Check. Not researching history that E.A.S.I.L.Y. exposes your smugness? Check.

It just doesn't end. Dems aren't in power BECAUSE articles like this are penned and released beyond any sane reasoning, not because the content of the articles are thought-provoking or accurate. This isn't even an attack. This is a call to action. Read this article. Digest it objectively. This article is a full template of how to get your people back. This article gives you everything you need to regain sanity in this country, if you could just stop being so smug and see things objectively, and understand that you do have faults but that's OK. Leadership is largely understanding your own faults, accepting them, and making the right decisions in spite of them. Leaders who think they do no wrong are not effective leaders...as is evidenced every day by our current POTUS. You know he is wrong. You know he's not effective for governing by your ideologies. So why, then, do you treat your opposition the same way?

#48 | Posted by humtake at 2019-08-13 12:50 PM | Reply

"Not researching history that E.A.S.I.L.Y. exposes your smugness? Check. "

Who does the economy do better under, Democratic Presidents, or Republican Presidents?

Research history before answering, please.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-13 01:02 PM | Reply

#48 | POSTED BYHUMTAKE

You're missing the overwhelming point on the article ...

Republicans have broken the political process, and are benefiting from it despite minority vote totals.

Broken, as in nothing gets done ... like fixing infrastructure, education and healthcare, doing something about working and middle-class wages that have stagnated for 40 years, dealing with climate change.

Broken, as in doling out trillions of dollars of free taxpayer money to corporations already making record profits.

Democrats don't have an answer, yet.

#50 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-13 10:51 PM | Reply

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