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Tuesday, August 13, 2019

July 2019 now stands as Alaska's hottest month on record, the latest benchmark in a long-term warming trend with ominous repercussions ranging from rapidly vanishing summer sea ice and melting glaciers to raging wildfires.

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104 yesterday in San Antonio. A typical August day,

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-12 10:18 PM | Reply

It will form again come winter.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-13 10:51 AM | Reply

@#2 ... It will form again come winter. ...

The disappearance is not what raised a yellow flag. The timing of the disappearance is.

From the cited article:

...This event does not mean the sea ice won't return. The ice should return in the fall as the Arctic moves away from the sun and the temperatures start to drop again. Alaska has seen a complete ice melt before, just two years ago. However, it has never happened this early before, reports Reuters.

Thoman noted that "It's cleared earlier than it has in any other year." And the melting sea ice is not confined to Alaskan waters. Greenland and Siberia have also seen record melting due to various heatwaves, with Siberian forests experiencing a rash of wildfires, still going on this week. ...


Greenland has been hit especially hard recently.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-13 11:18 AM | Reply

Somewhat related...

Tested: Idea that sea ice steadies jet stream, blocking cold winters
arstechnica.com

...A lot has been made of the possibility that the loss of Arctic sea ice could make mid-latitude weather weirder by causing wriggling meanders in the jet stream. One possible manifestation of that is bitter cold snaps in winter, as Arctic air slides south along with the jet stream boundary. There is a correlation between cold mid-latitude winters and low sea ice cover in the Arctic. But does the one really cause the other?

The possible relationship between a warming Arctic and changing behavior of the jet stream is still a matter of real scientific debate. For a number of reasons, it's a difficult question to resolve. In this case, a team led by the University of Exeter's Russell Blackport tried to disentangle the chain of events with a clever analysis.

Checking causality

Ultimately, the question is whether shrinking sea ice allows the ocean to warm the atmosphere, or whether the warm air forms separately and then melts the sea ice. The researchers used a pair of climate models and global maps of observed weather; the measurement gaps were filled in by simulated physics. First, the team categorized each winter in North America and Asia based on two measures: cooler or warmer mid-latitude temperatures and lower or higher Arctic sea ice. As in other studies, they found a correlation between the two....


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-13 11:49 AM | Reply

104 yesterday in San Antonio. A typical August day,

#1 | Posted by goatman

It will form again come winter.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ

You guys should stick to commenting on things in your pay grade.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"104 yesterday in San Antonio. A typical August day,

#1 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-12 10:18 PM | REPLY | FLAG"

Interesting because according to this site the average high for San Antonio in August is 94.7F

www.rssweather.com

There will of course be hotter and cooler days - it is after all an average - but 104F is not " a typical August day."

Just thought you'd like to know.

#6 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-08-13 12:31 PM | Reply

In your subjective opinion. I live in San Antonio (do you?) and it feels like 104 degrees all the time. And since my subjective reality is equal to yours my post is correct and proves GW is a scam.

-tremain's favorite crossdresser

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 12:36 PM | Reply

So what? It's not like anyone is proposing the kind of draconian measures that would make a real difference in global temperatures, like cutting global population and global industrial output in half. They won't even advocate zero population and industrial growth. Instead all the "solutions" are goofy stuff about forcing people into electric cars and putting solar panels on their roofs, which is the equivalent of spitting into the ocean for all the difference it will make.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Poles are moving. Or, is it the Polls are moving.

Both are causing snowflakes to melt.

#9 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-13 01:30 PM | Reply

@#8 ... would make a real difference in global temperatures ...

So you're finally admitting there's a problem?

If so, that's a good first step towards resolving it.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-13 01:37 PM | Reply

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My proposed solution would be to send an interplanetary towtruck into the outer solar system, uncoil a massive winch to capture an icy moon or planet (like Enceladus or Triton or even Pluto), tow it back, and then place it alongside the Earth to cool it off. Sort of like a massive, planetary icepack.

All it would cost is a few trillion dollars. A drop in the bucket. Trump can further raise tariffs on all brown-skinned nations to cover it.

#11 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-08-13 01:55 PM | Reply

--So you're finally admitting there's a problem?

Nothing that can't be solved with letting technology and innovation continue to develop, which is happening now and will continue to do so. That's my opinion, and it's just as valid as any hysterical climatista who said we had only "10 years left" in 1989, 1999, 2009, 2019 and no doubt in 2029.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Both are causing snowflakes to melt.

#9 | POSTED BY PETROUS

I love it how you idiot beta ------- think that being obnoxious morons masks that fact from being obvious to the rest of us.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 01:57 PM | Reply

Nothing that can't be solved with letting technology and innovation continue to develop, which is happening now and will continue to do so. That's my opinion, and it's just as valid as any hysterical climatista who said we had only "10 years left" in 1989, 1999, 2009, 2019 and no doubt in 2029.

#12 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I seem to remember something about industrial carbon capture being a thing in the coming years.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-13 02:03 PM | Reply

@#12 ... Nothing that can't be solved with letting technology and innovation continue to develop, which is happening now and will continue to do so. ...

Do you think that such innovation is occurring quickly enough?

It seems as if we've not been winning on that front.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-13 02:07 PM | Reply

Look at all the Climatologists we have on the DR.

I'm sure Nulli, Jeff and Goatman's gut instincts are just as good, if not better, than people who study and research the subject 24/7.

What's really amazing is Nulli seems to believe he knows something the scientific community overlooked.

The hubris on that guy is unparalleled.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Do you think that such innovation is occurring quickly enough?

Thanks to the Trump administration. Not only has that technology stopped advancing. Any advancements have been stifled and retarded.

If it were up to conservatives, we'd all be living like the Amish.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 02:10 PM | Reply

--I seem to remember something about industrial carbon capture being a thing in the coming years.

That's true. But we don't even need any technological breakthroughs. We've been informed by Actual Scientists (tm) that the most cost-effective way of carbon capture is planting trees. So let's get on with it.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 02:20 PM | Reply

"It will form again come winter."

What's the purpose of this comment, other than to deny climate change?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-13 02:21 PM | Reply

"It will form again come winter."
What's the purpose of this comment, other than to deny climate change?
#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You lost me. Isn't going from summer to winter climate change?

#20 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 02:37 PM | Reply

I'm not claiming any kind of expertise on this subject, Clown.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-13 02:45 PM | Reply

#20 Jesus Christ. Just don't comment on this topic.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#20 Jesus Christ. Just don't comment on this topic.
#22 | POSTED BY JPW

Since you asked nice.

Climate change is not my fault. Blame the sun.

#23 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 03:16 PM | Reply

That question has been asked and answered.

It of course plays a role as the source of energy that is being absorbed and maintained but it's activities don't track with warming trends observed.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 03:24 PM | Reply

Climate change is not my fault. Blame the sun.
#23 | POSTED BY RAY

Funny, the sun was still shining when the climate was more stable. So it aint the sun. C02 is the problem. And the party you defend is the reason we haven't been allowed to address the problem.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-13 03:28 PM | Reply

That's true. But we don't even need any technological breakthroughs. We've been informed by Actual Scientists (tm) that the most cost-effective way of carbon capture is planting trees. So let's get on with it.

#18 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Yeah lets. Step 1 - elect a party that gives a damn.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-13 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Isn't going from summer to winter climate change?
#20 | POSTED BY RAY

That's called seasons. The climate does change during different times of the year, in a (mostly) predictable fashion.

The climate change scientists are worried about is warmer, longer than average summers and shorter, colder stretches of winter.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 03:33 PM | Reply

C02 is the problem. And the party you defend is the reason we haven't been allowed to address the problem.
#25 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's because "we" is looking in the wrong direction.
The problem is government.

Have you ever wondered how much Co2 the military generates? Do you think they really care?

#28 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 03:38 PM | Reply

The climate change scientists are worried about is warmer, longer than average summers and shorter, colder stretches of winter.
#27 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Pay a scientist enough and they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

I'll take warming any day over cooling.

#29 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 03:40 PM | Reply

--Yeah lets. Step 1 - elect a party that gives a damn.

Dems can pass a massive tree-planting program--call it The One-Million Trees Act--anytime they want. Probably would get a lot of repub votes. Everybody likes trees. What are they waiting for? It's still a climate emergency, right? Only 9.5 years left, right?

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 03:46 PM | Reply

Pay a scientist enough and they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

1) Who wants to hear that unless drastic actions are taken the world will become unfortunately inhabitable to the human species?

2) You're spreading a bullshht narrative cooked up by the fossil fuel industry.

3) No scientist is getting rich off being a climatologist. If they were in it for the money, they'd go work for the fossil fuel industry.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Dems can pass a massive tree-planting program--call it The One-Million Trees Act

I can predict the future, "Dem's one million tree act dead on arrival to the senate. Moscow Mitch claims the program is a waste of taxpayer money as young trees don't do enough to eliminate CO2 from the atmosphere."

Besides, a government program for everyone to work together to benefit the nation is clearly socialism. You want a tree, plant it yourself.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 03:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Coming soon to American universities:

"University bans burgers to help save the planet"

I bet those college kids are going to love that.

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 04:02 PM | Reply

"University bans burgers to help save the planet"

The livestock necessary to feed the human population is untenable.

The Triple Whopper Environmental Impact of Global Meat Production

10 Reasons Why the Meat and Dairy Industry Is Unsustainable

Unsustainable livestock.

Why avoiding meat and dairy won't save the planet

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 04:13 PM | Reply

No scientist is getting rich off being a climatologist. If they were in it for the money, they'd go work for the fossil fuel industry.
#31 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Who said anything about getting rich? Scientists owe their funding to the federal government.

You're spreading a bullshht narrative cooked up by the fossil fuel industry.

I don't pay attention to what the fossil fuel industry is saying. The sun's been driving climate change long before humans existed.
Co2 is an insignificant greenhouse gas. Of more significance, plant life thrives on it.

Who wants to hear that unless drastic actions are taken the world will become unfortunately inhabitable to the human species?

Politicians destroy everything they touch. They can't even balance a budget. When will you people learn?

#35 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 04:15 PM | Reply

--Why avoiding meat and dairy won't save the planet

"Eco-socialism or barbarism. It's the only way."

Now we know what websites you get your "information" from. Eco-socialism is indeed the only way... to eco-socialism.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 04:21 PM | Reply

Pay a scientist enough and they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

I'll take warming any day over cooling.

#29 | Posted by Ray

Seriously, just don't speak about this topic.

To describe your posts as ignorant would be an insult to ignorance.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 04:51 PM | Reply

Now we know what websites you get your "information" from.

Yep, google search.

Try it sometime.

You're welcome.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 04:51 PM | Reply

Who said anything about getting rich? Scientists owe their funding to the federal government.

And have to run it by their competitors and colleagues in order to obtain it.

The scientific funding process is closer to a true free market than anything I've ever experienced.

But keep brainsharting your unfalsifiable claptrap into every post if it makes you feel any better.

The sun's been driving climate change long before humans existed.
Co2 is an insignificant greenhouse gas. Of more significance, plant life thrives on it.

Alright. This isn't even funny. The level of ignorant bullshart you're posting isn't even a joke. It's pathetic.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now we know what websites you get your "information" from.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian

Still better than the ass you pull all yours from.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 04:54 PM | Reply

Still better than the ass you pull all yours from.

POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-08-13 04:54 PM | REPLY

Andrea's??

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-13 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To describe your posts as ignorant would be an insult to ignorance.
#37 | POSTED BY JPW

That makes us even. I have to laugh at you people for thinking anything good can come out of politics.

#42 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 05:01 PM | Reply

--Still better than the ass you pull all yours from.
POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-08-13 04:54 PM | REPLY
Andrea's??
#41 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Two of the retort's deep thinkers.

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

That makes us even.

#42 | Posted by Ray

Facts not in evidence.

You've shown yourself to be abysmally ignorant of the science involved here.

We are by no means even.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 05:06 PM | Reply

Two of the retort's deep thinkers.

#43 | Posted by nullifidian

Show yourself capable of thinking, then comment on someone else's abilities.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 05:06 PM | Reply

We are by no means even.
#44 | POSTED BY JPW

Like I care.

You've shown yourself to be abysmally ignorant of the science involved here.

You've shown yourself to be abysmally ignorant of the politics involved here.

#46 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 05:15 PM | Reply

You've shown yourself to be abysmally ignorant of the politics involved here.

Pushing this into politics is a standard denier tactic. It's nonsense unless the topic actually is the politics behind it.

As for you "discussing" the politics, all you're doing is whining that everything is schitt.

You think it's deep but really it's just shallow, lazy thoughts from a person who has to pipe up and speak.

It's harsh but unfortunately true.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 05:22 PM | Reply

The only reason this is political is because the Republican Party is owned by the oil industry.

It basically went like this:

Climatologists: Humans are having massively adverse effects on the environment due to our aggressive logging, our industries, our polluting, our waste, and our dependence on fossil fuels. We must do something to lessen our impact on the planet.

Republican politicians: Those scientists are only after grant money.

Ignorant people: "Pay a scientist enough and they'll tell you anything you want to hear."

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 | POSTED BY JPW

I give up. Can't make a liberal see what he can't see.

#49 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 05:38 PM | Reply

I give up. Can't make a liberal see what he can't see.

Maybe what you "see" isn't as real as you think and is more a production of your own biases and assumptions?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 05:41 PM | Reply

"The only reason this is political is because the Republican Party is owned by the oil industry.

#48 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

The oil industry owns both major parties.

time.com

www.eenews.net

#51 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-13 05:42 PM | Reply

Can't make a liberal see what he can't see.

Dude.

You literally confused climate change for the seasons.

Then you suggested scientists are being paid to report misleading information.

Then you blamed everything on politics.

Why not just cut the the chase and blame Hillary? It's pretty much the only move you have left in your arsenal.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I guess climate change discussion must have lost its verbotten status while I was away.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-13 05:45 PM | Reply

climate change discussion must have lost its verbotten status

RCade isn't moderating the threads as much.

Pretty sure the only thing that can get you a vacation these days is wishing death on Gracie.

Besides. The majority of people have stopped denying climate change is real.

Others have moved to, "Its too late to do anything. Or. The rest of the world is doing it, so why can't we pollute as well."

And a very few, like ray. Still think it's all a hoax.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 05:52 PM | Reply

I guess climate change discussion must have lost its verbotten status while I was away.
#53 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

What's that saying? First they ignore you. Then they argue with you. Then ...

#55 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 05:53 PM | Reply

Then you blamed everything on politics.
Pushing this into politics is a standard denier tactic. It's nonsense unless the topic actually is the politics behind it.

See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil. It's a classic liberal mindset.

#56 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 05:55 PM | Reply

#55

You talking about climate change deniers?

First they ignore you about climate change.

Then they argue with you about what it is, why it's taking place.

Then we're all fffked.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil.

They called that, "ignorance is bliss."

Also known as the Republican's mantra.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 05:58 PM | Reply

See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no evil. It's a classic liberal mindset.

#56 | Posted by Ray

Yawn. Let me spell this out for you.

You.
Are.
Too.
Ignorant.
To.
See.
Hear.
Or.
Speak.
Climate change evil.

You're ping ponging around saying bullshart thing after bullshart thing then insisting it's other people's problem and lack of insight causing them to disagree with you.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 05:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't pay attention to what the fossil fuel industry is saying. The sun's been driving climate change long before humans existed.
Co2 is an insignificant greenhouse gas. Of more significance, plant life thrives on it.

#35 | Posted by Ray

You parrot the fossil fuel industries lies without even realizing it because you get it from freedompatriotwhatever.com or fox news. How did you think exxon gets it's propaganda out there? Sending emails from exxon.com? They send it through their corporate news puppets and you morons buy it.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-13 05:59 PM | Reply

The sun's been driving climate change long before humans existed.
Co2 is an insignificant greenhouse gas. Of more significance, plant life thrives on it.

Anybody who posts that gem with a straight face is signalling, quite clearly, that they aren't to be taken seriously.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 06:00 PM | Reply

Maybe you'll let me have last word.

Bye.

#62 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 06:02 PM | Reply

Maybe you'll let me have last word.

Where do you think you are? Your mom's basement?

Wait... are you in your mom's basement?

I know Jeff is kept in his wife's basement.

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 06:05 PM | Reply

--Your mom's basement?

That's about as substantive as a typical JPW post.

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 06:08 PM | Reply

I thought the "mom's basement" retort died years ago along with "Take your meds" and a few others.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-13 06:11 PM | Reply

That's about as substantive as a typical JPW post.
#64 | POSTED BY NULLI

So, like, easily 4 times more substantive than one of your posts.

Glad we worked out that scale.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 06:12 PM | Reply

Ray is the most perfect example of the dunning krueger effect I've seen on this site.

Too stupid to know he's stupid. So stupid, that he thinks he's actually got it all figured out.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-13 06:13 PM | Reply

I thought the "mom's basement" retort died years ago along with "Take your meds" and a few others.

You were gone for a while.

It's back, and it's hotter than ever.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-13 06:13 PM | Reply

Wait... are you in your mom's basement?

That qualifies as hate speech.

My mom is buried six feet under.

#69 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 06:16 PM | Reply

Too stupid to know he's stupid. So stupid, that he thinks he's actually got it all figured out.
#67 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Damn. Please! Please can I have last word? I'll be nice.

Bye.

#70 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-13 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Damn. Please! Please can I have last word? I'll be nice.

Bye.

#70 | Posted by Ray

What's stopping you? The fact that you have to keep declaring your departure makes you look pathetic.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-13 06:23 PM | Reply

This has been an interesting thread.

*chomps popcorn*

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-13 08:59 PM | Reply

Maybe you'll let me have last word.

Bye.

#62 | POSTED BY RAY

I'm genuinely trying to not be a dick.

But when you say CO2 is just plant food and inconsequential and that the sun is the cause it's hard to seriously converse.

The sun cycle thing was literally a major question about 10 years ago and was well studied.

The relative greenhouse action of CO2 being much lower than other gases such as water vapor and methane is well known. What's also well known is that small temp increases caused by CO2 emission increases water vapor content in the air and methane release as melt occurs. This is called a feed forward cycle.

So yes, CO2 wouldn't be as big a deal if it was the only greenhouse gas. But it's not and the relationship to the others is well characterized.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-13 09:16 PM | Reply

Smithsonian exhibit. Ice age.

Never trust science when they can't explain their vast knowledge on the subject being totally wrong in only a few decades.

Science said it was, based on a review of Earth covering large periods of time, an ice age.

Now over that same large period, the opposite is now true.

Which is it and what will it be in 30 years...an ice age again?

#74 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-13 10:31 PM | Reply

Experts Warn We Have Only 12 Years Left Until They Change The Timeline On Global Warming Again

WORL--Climate experts have solemnly warned that we only have twelve years left until they change the dates on global warming again.

"If we don't take action, then in 12 years we will have to explain why the world hasn't ended and come up with a new number," one UN scientist warned. "This is a very serious threat, and we urge everyone to hand control of the economy to the government immediately before we have no more time left to change the timeline again."

The scientific consensus is that roughly 10-12 years from now, the world will be flooded with new doomsday predictions. This can all be avoided if we overhaul the economy and become socialists, according to non-political, unbiased sciencey type guys.

"Should we not change our ways, our old predictions will melt, dangerously raising the chance of us having to move the goalposts again," said Al Gore. "Do you really want me to write another book, film another movie, and go on another tour in my private jet just because you dingbats couldn't be bothered to alter your lifestyles? I don't think so. Let's all get on board with this 12-year figure, or we'll have to push back the date again."

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-13 10:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

*pops a beer*

#76 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-13 10:59 PM | Reply

#75 | Posted by nullifidian

Yawn. Bitter misery is all you got.

Seems like you'd be better off to just STFU and let people who still like life decide these sorts of things.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 12:31 AM | Reply

Which is it and what will it be in 30 years...an ice age again?

#74 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-13 10:31 PM | Reply

We're still in an ice age. Technically, were in an interglacial period within an ice age. The fact that you think it has all changed demonstrates that you don't actually understand what the science says. Science's "vast knowledge" wasn't totally wrong and didn't totally change in a few decades.

The Smithsonian exhibit deniers like to trot out was put together in the 70s when there was a period where cooling due to increased aerosols from pollution was vying with warming due to the increase of CO2 and the expectation was we would be following the normal interglacial timeline. Study since then showed the cooling effect from that pollution only slowed the overall warming, and would not have been able to overcome the effect of the increase in greenhouse gasses. We are also likely to have extended the interglacial timeline by 10s of thousand of years(see this study for more).

As it is, we actually changed our behavior, and the smog and other aerosol pollution has been greatly reduced, revealing the underlying warming trend. So, despite all the "man can't affect the climate" nonsense, we demonstrated that when we take action, we can actually effect change very rapidly.

For all you "Science was wrong before, it'll be wrong again, so let's ignore it" types, here's a good read from a great author: Isaac Asimov on the relativity of wrongness

#78 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2019-08-14 09:07 AM | Reply

I dont ignore it, but dont expect financial contributions for the science swingers.

If you look over thousands of years to support ice age/warming, decades aint making a difference. They claimed the same thousands of years to support opposite goals.

#79 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-14 03:48 PM | Reply

Experts Warn We Have Only 12 Years Left Until They Change The Timeline On Global Warming Again

WORL--Climate experts have solemnly warned that we only have twelve years left until they change the dates on global warming again.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian

HA HA HA HA HA! THAT'S FROM A SATIRE SITE LIKE THE ONION!

Honestly how stupid are you to fall for satire like that?

It's from The Babylon Bee. "The Babylon Bee is Your Trusted Source For Christian News Satire."

You are the new Sniper! Congrats, Idiot!

#80 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-14 05:30 PM | Reply

#73 | POSTED BY JPW

When you want truth, you have to go outside of mainstream sources.

That's why I'm on the opposite side of practically every subject on this site.

It's pointless to be serious when arguing with you people.

#81 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-14 05:55 PM | Reply

--HA HA HA HA HA! THAT'S FROM A SATIRE SITE LIKE THE ONION!
Honestly how stupid are you to fall for satire like that?
#80 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Holy crap. Are you that stupid? Of course it's satire. It's from the Babylon Bee you lunatic. How many times did you have to read it to figure it out? lol

I never thought in my wildest dream that someone would read it and try to debunk it. Hahahaha.

#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-14 06:13 PM | Reply

Honestly how stupid are you to fall for satire like that?
#80 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

You should talk to Snopes!

They constantly fact check them...

#83 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-14 06:43 PM | Reply

#81 LOL

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 07:13 PM | Reply

"I'm sure Nulli, Jeff and Goatman's gut instincts are just as good, if not better, than people who study and research the subject 24/7.

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Jesus Christ, dude -- I never weigh in on climate change ---- on earth. But you knee jerk and place me in some sort of broad brush group you have created.

Chill.

Please.

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 12:37 AM | Reply

I never weigh in on climate change ---- on earth.

I was responding to:

"104 yesterday in San Antonio. A typical August day,
#1 | Posted by goatman"

Now, it's true. You didn't mention climate change.

But your statement came off as dismissive of climate change.

Since, based on your statement, it's a typical August day, one might conclude you're saying climate change isn't actually happening.

If that's not what you meant. I'll gladly recant my criticism.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-15 01:16 AM | Reply

"If only Hillary had been elected, this never would have happened." - Heavy Tears

#87 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 01:24 AM | Reply

Perhaps the HAARP has burst our bubble, so to speak. There are hundreds of arrays stationed all across the planet, on remote islands, nestled inside difficult terrain, at military installations and science installations. Could this technology simulate an expansion of gasses collected? Perhaps eliminating much of the protective effect and instead magnification of undesired radiation, even from a terrestrial location? Perhaps that is what works in tandem with chemtrails. They do illuminate significantly, but from my perspective I usually see their shadows across the upper layers of cloud.

Anyhow, are we to be expecting solar assault every 11 years?

Is this an insurance scam? We do know that crop failure is a booming market, covered in investors.

Didn't NOAH combine just prior to Katrina and was then ignoring locally produced data in favor of it's own satellite analysis?

Whom is trustworthy?

#88 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-15 05:00 AM | Reply

"If only Hillary had been elected, this never would have happened." - Heavy Tears
#87 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-08-15 01:24 AM

Stuff a tampon in it already.

#89 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-15 05:04 AM | Reply

The level of ignorance exhibited in the first two comments of the thread have convinced me not to read on.

#90 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-15 07:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

But you knee jerk and place me in some sort of broad brush group you have created.

Chill.

Please.

#85 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

LOL

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 09:47 AM | Reply

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