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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

On the same day peace talks concluded between U.S. and Taliban officials in Doha, Qatar, U.S.-led operations against the militant group in Afghanistan have significantly reduced or halted as the Pentagon continues to plan for a potential withdrawal of thousands of U.S. forces from its longest conflict ever.

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If Trump ends America's longest war ever, he will be more deserving of a Noble Prize than that Kenyan who did absolutely nothing.

Imagine that.

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-14 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We're finally leaving?

Good

But I'll believe it when I see it.

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-14 08:39 AM | Reply

Trump is sweating re-election.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-14 02:09 PM | Reply

Meanwhile the puppet afghan govt has been thrown under the bus.

Exactly what it deserves.

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-14 02:50 PM | Reply

Vizzini's maxim remains at least 50% true...

#5 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-08-14 03:12 PM | Reply

In related news Pakistan is ready to accept Taliban rule.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-14 04:12 PM | Reply

Great. Bring 'em all home, not just from Afghanastan. Let theose preimitves duke it out with the US. Don't get me wrong, we should sell them all the weapons they want. We just don't need to be there to pull the trigger for them.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 04:19 PM | Reply

I thought Trump was going to win that fight?

Now we are giving the Taliban the entire country back?

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-14 04:58 PM | Reply

"Now we are giving the Taliban the entire country back?

#8 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "

Would you rather US young men continue to get slaughtered over there?

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 05:04 PM | Reply

"Trump Wins Afghan War": News, Weather, and Traffic on the 11's

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-14 05:09 PM | Reply

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#8

Cool story...now do Obama!

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-14 05:14 PM | Reply

Now we are giving the Taliban the entire country back?

Yep.

#12 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-14 05:31 PM | Reply

Looks like the last US KIA in Afghanistan was January 2016, so it's not like there was much warfighting going on anyway.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-14 07:35 PM | Reply

Possibly bad numbers.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-14 07:39 PM | Reply

I see a Nobel peace prize in trumps future for finally ending Obama's failed war.

#15 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-14 08:17 PM | Reply

Obama's failed war???? Really, he put troops there 8 years before he was in office?? Just stick to the ol right wing talking points.

#16 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-08-14 09:57 PM | Reply

"Obama's failed war???? Really, he put troops there 8 years before he was in office?? Just stick to the ol right wing talking points.

#16 | POSTED BY ZELKOVA"

that would be a valid talking point, excpet he promisted to bring our troops home. He also promised to clise Gitmo within a year. Yet it was open his entire presidency. So yeah, when he promised to end the war and bring our troops home, and didn't, it became his.

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Congratulations to the Taliban for defeating the US military and freeing their country
Next time the US wants to start a war we should just hire the Taliban.

#18 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-14 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Should have never put boots on the ground. Americans never signed up for regime change and trying to change a 6th century mentality into a modern democracy. Do I want Afghan girls to attend school - sure, but not if it costs us one US life or one US dollar. Worse, these ridiculous wars are a big part of the reason why we such a opiate epidemic in this country - it is now cheaper to just buy heroin than pain pills. The Taliban are much better at control poppy production than the warlords we entrusted - so much better that their much smaller production mainly is consumed in Pakistan. Of course, our good friends to the south or our non-existent border wall have stepped in to fill the void...with the knock on effect that cocaine needed to drop in price to maintain market share - so, we have now are flooded by cheap cocaine, black tar heroin from Mexico, fentanyl (from China via Mexico), and our own over subscribed pain pills....not to mention weed being legalized all across the nation.

Now, every other country faces the same temptations (most not as much disposable income to spend on these) and yet, they don't have the same drug abuse problems. There is something seriously wrong with the culture now which causes rampant drug abuse and mass shooters - it is not the drugs or gun in an of themselves - it is something deeper wrong with US culture to make these people think this is a valid alternative.

#19 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-14 11:10 PM | Reply

"that would be a valid talking point, except he promised to bring our troops home. He also promised to close Gitmo within a year.
#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

Worse, Obama's first instinct was to try to do an 'Afghan Surge' like that Idiot Bush did in Iraq. Obama thought he could win in Afghanistan if we just put in another couple thousand troops - which is moronic. The only way we 'win' in Afghanistan would have been to do a full blown occupation with US citizens as administrators over all government functions and completely removing the warlord culture. Blow up all the warlord compounds, rid the country of all the current government employees. Only then would we have had a chance. Afghanistan has a literacy rate of 31% - 17% for females and this 'literacy' is basically equivalent to a 3rd grade level. They were simply incapable of running a country without rampant corruption and feudal warlord fiefdoms. In 100 years, Afghanistan will look EXACTLY THE SAME as it does now. Roaming hoards of religious nutjobs, goat-humpers, and warlords growing opium.

This is how the Western World ran during the dark ages - it was a savage time - but, we didn't know any better because we didn't have examples of other cultures doing it differently. Afghanistan and the rest of the S-hole-stans have no excuse. Their leaders see the rest of the world and turn their backs on it. Frankly, we would be better off having Iran resurrect the Persian Empire and take control of these countries. Iran is the only educated country out of the lot of them.

#20 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-14 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

tali bans opiates and has no tolerance for such tomfoolery. CIA thinks otherwise. Pakistan is complicit in such global trade.

#21 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-14 11:51 PM | Reply

Pakistan is complicit in such global trade.

No.

Everyone knows that heroin production spiked through the roof after Obama's surge.

We also know that the taliban are not the ones growing these drugs... the Afghan govt is.. supported actively by the USA. In fact, Americans have been spotted providing transportation for the heroin... trucks and choppers.

This allows the CIA to fund it's black budget. Which lets it muck around with countries like Iran and Russia and China.

As for the drugs, most end up in Europe via Russia. Some are pumped into Iran.

Afghanistan has been very good for the CIA but very bad for the common soldier.

#22 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-15 02:41 AM | Reply

CIA thinks otherwise.

WHY would a spy agency tell you what it thinks??? LOL

They're trying to cover their own butts.

#23 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-15 02:43 AM | Reply

#22,

I dont agree, Tremain.

Afghanistan has been growing that tall plant for hundreds of years. The Taliban just kept a lid on it through a brutal interpretation of Islam and Sharia law. That poppy plant was actually what was funding the Taliban.

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2019-08-15 12:27 PM | Reply

That poppy plant was actually what was funding the Taliban.

Not at all. That is just misinformation spread by the mainstream media fed to them by the ------.

So what is funding the taliban?

1. Terrorism. They will show up at your door and demand food or sex... and they WILL get it.

2. US "aid" to Pakistan. Why do you think this has turned into America's longest war? Because the taliban are bribed (billions of dollars here and there to various groups) by the US to not attack American forces. But because they will not accept money from American hands, Pakistan is the go-between. Pakistan knows who to pay and how much. When Trump ended this supply, I said, "US just lost Afghanistan" (you may look up the archives). Was I right or was I right?

3. Afghan govt troops defect with their equipment. Or they sell their equipment... as do your European allies. How do you think these talibnan are driving around in Humvees and using military grade explosives?

4. And yes, they also shake down drug lords. They don't grow or sell the stuff but they will come for the guy with the money.

#25 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-15 01:18 PM | Reply

Basically when you control like three quarters of the country, you don't need "funding". You are able to do whatever you bloody well like.

#26 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-15 01:20 PM | Reply

he planned to bring our troops home. He also planned to close Gitmo within a year. Yet the republicans blocked his efforts for his entire presidency. Moscow Mitch Owns it

#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-14 10:09 PM | REPLY |

#27 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-15 01:23 PM | Reply

s27 great story, except the Democrats had control of Congress during Obama's first two years in the White House.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 01:50 PM | Reply

Obama mismanaged that conflict so badly it's too expensive to fix.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-08-15 02:10 PM | Reply

s27 great story, except the Democrats had control of Congress during Obama's first two years in the White House.

#28 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-15 01:50 PM

Repeating a lie doesn't change the lie into the truth, it changes the people hearing the repeated lie. They begin to accept the lie as truth.

Starting January 2009, at the beginning of the 111th Congress, in the month that Barack Obama was inaugurated president, the House of Representatives was made up of 257 Democrats and 178 Republicans. There is no question that Democrats had total control in the House from 2009-2011.

The Senate operates with the 60-vote-requirement filibuster rule. There are 100 Senate seats, and it takes 60 Senate votes for "closure" on a piece of legislation....to bring that piece of legislation to the floor of the Senate for amendments and a final vote....that final vote is decided by a simple majority in most cases. But it takes 60 Senate votes to even have a chance of being voted upon.

"Total control", then, of the Senate requires 60 Democratic or Republican Senators.

On January 20th, 2009, 57 Senate seats were held by Democrats with 2 Independents (Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman) caucusing with the Democrats...which gave Democrats 59 mostly-reliable Democratic votes in the Senate, one shy of filibuster-proof "total control." Republicans held 41 seats.

The 59 number in January, 2009 included Ted Kennedy and Al Franken. Kennedy had a seizure during an Obama inaugural luncheon and never returned to vote in the Senate.....and Al Franken was not officially seated until July 7th, 2009 (hotly contested recount demanded by Norm Coleman.)

The real Democratic Senate seat number in January, 2009 was 55 Democrats plus 2 Independents equaling 57 Senate seats.

An aside....it was during this time that Obama's "stimulus" was passed. No Republicans in the House voted for the stimulus. However, in the Senate.....and because Democrats didn't have "total control" of that chamber.....three Republicans.....Snowe, Collins and Specter, voted to break a filibuster guaranteeing it's passage.

Then in April, 2009, Republican Senator Arlen Specter became a Democrat. Kennedy was still at home, dying, and Al Franken was still not seated. Score in April, 2009....Democratic votes 58.

In May, 2009, Robert Byrd got sick and did not return to the Senate until July 21, 2009. Even though Franken was finally seated July 7, 2009 and Byrd returned on July 21.....Democrats still only had 59 votes in the Senate because Kennedy never returned, dying on August 25, 2009.

Kennedy's empty seat was temporarily filled by Paul Kirk but not until September 24, 2009.

The swearing in of Kirk finally gave Democrats 60 votes (at least potentially) in the Senate. "Total control" of Congress by Democrats lasted all of 4 months. From September 24, 2009 through February 4, 2010...at which point Scott Brown, a Republican, was sworn in to replace Kennedy's Massachusetts seat.

The truth....then....is this: Democrats had "total control" of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had "total control" of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months.

Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.

Did President Obama have "total control' of Congress during his first two years as president? Absolutely not and any assertions to the contrary.....as you can plainly see in the above chronology....is a lie.

But you knew that and repeated the lie anyway. Its the republican way

#30 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-15 02:43 PM | Reply

#30 please provide a link that details the Republican obstruction to closing gitmo as you claim.

And even if it is true, Obama could have closed Gitmo with an executive order. As far as that goes, he could have brought our troops home without Congress's approval as Trump is doing now.

Nice try

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 03:23 PM | Reply

And even if it is true, Obama could have closed Gitmo with an executive order. As far as that goes, he could have brought our troops home without Congress's approval as Trump is doing now.

Nice try

#31 | Posted by goatman

Google can be your friend. The reason Gitmo wasn't closed was because of opposition to moving them to the U.S. mainland. The prisoners had to be moved somewhere before Gitmo could be closed.

(guess who ran the Senate?)

Senate Bans Transfer of Detainees Held at Guantanamo Bay

Since his second day in office, President Barack Obama has vowed to close the terror detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, before he leaves the White House. The Senate just put up yet another roadblock to his plan.

On Tuesday, the Senate passed the annual defense authorization bill (NDAA) by a vote of 91 to 3; the bill passed the House last week by a final tally of 370 to 58. It now heads to the president's desk. Obama is expected to sign it, even though the bill prohibits transferring any Guantanamo detainees to American soil or to Libya, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the president would continue efforts to close Gitmo despite the Senate's ban. There are still over 100 detainees at the facility.

foreignpolicy.com


#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-15 03:47 PM | Reply

#30 I applaud your effort to educate such an obvious troll.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-15 03:50 PM | Reply

"Google can be your friend. The reason Gitmo wasn't closed was because of opposition to moving them to the U.S. mainland.

Posted by americanjnity"

Nontheless, Obama campaigned on the promise he would close Gitmo in a year. Its not my faultl he didn't do his homework before making that promise. Even so, he could have done it even without Americans' approval.

Nice try.

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:00 PM | Reply

"#30 I applaud your effort to educate such an obvious troll.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

#33 | POSTED BY JOE "

At least he made an nonest effort at a rebuttal, unlike you. Your MO is to just shriek, "TROLL!" whenver facts are presented (and yes, I presented facts) that you cannot dispute.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:01 PM | Reply

#34 | Posted by goatman

He signed an Executive Order to close Gitmo his first year in office.

Overt resistance to moving prisoners to the mainland meant that order couldn't be carried out. Once the GOP took over Congress in 2010, Defense authorization bills specifically banned moving them here.

Nice try

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-15 04:07 PM | Reply

" Its not my faultl he didn't do his homework before making that promise."

So your contention is...Obama should've known what Mitch McConnell was going to say to his constituency when Obama was elected...even before he ran for President?!?

GTFOH.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 04:14 PM | Reply

"Overt resistance to moving prisoners to the mainland meant that order couldn't be carried out.

#36 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Um, no. Executive orders can be carried out amid resistance. Trust me.

And again, he could also have brought our troops home as Trump is doing now. Or did the spineless one kowtow to resistance then as well?

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:16 PM | Reply

"#37 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

My contention is what I posted. NOthing more mnothing less.

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:18 PM | Reply

"s27 great story, except the Democrats had control of Congress during Obama's first two years in the White House.

#28 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-15 01:50 PM

Repeating a lie doesn't change the lie into the truth,

#31 | POSTED BY GOATMAN "

I told no lie.

And thanks for the lecture on the filibuster rule. I am familiar with it. However, it was the Democrats who held up the funding to close Gitmo.

Nice try

www.npr.org

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:33 PM | Reply

#40 for HATTER5183

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:35 PM | Reply

"My contention is what I posted."

Yeah, that Obama should've done his "homework" before making a campaign promise.

That homework, of course, included knowing Mitch McConnell would choose party over country at every turn...even during the worst economic downturn since the depression.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 04:47 PM | Reply

"That homework, of course, included knowing Mitch McConnell would choose party over country at every turn...even during the worst economic downturn since the depression.

#42 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

One shouldn't make promises without know all the facts, right?

But it's a moot point. It was the Democratic Senate that blocked funds to close Gitmo.

www.npr.org

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:53 PM | Reply

#42 Not being a rubber stamp for Obama was choosing party over country?

And you wonder why you get called Donkey Suit Dan.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 05:06 PM | Reply

"They said no money will be considered until the president sends Congress a detailed plan on where the prison's 240 detainees would go. "

State after state refused to allow them to be moved there. Congress refused throughout his presidency to appropriate funds to move them ... anywhere in the U.S.

Don't pretend Obama didn't try his best to carry out his promise to close Gitmo.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-15 06:14 PM | Reply

"Don't pretend Obama didn't try his best to carry out his promise to close Gitmo.

#45 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

If I recall, he campaign promise was to close Gitmo by the end of the year, not to try his best to close Gitmo.

Nice try.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 06:16 PM | Reply

If Trump ends America's longest war ever, he will be more deserving of a Noble Prize than that Kenyan who did absolutely nothing.
Imagine that.

#1 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN AT 2019-08-14 08:24 AM | REPLY |

What Kenyan are you referring to? Please enlighten us. No points unless you identify an actual Kenyan

#47 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-15 08:20 PM | Reply

What Kenyan are you referring to?

The one with the deadbeat biological goat-herder dad.

The one with dog eating adopted dad.

The one who studied in an Islamic madrassa.

Joint smoker.

Daddy of kid shot by "white mexican".

Community Organizer ... whatever the hell that is...

#48 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-16 03:43 AM | Reply

And again, he could also have brought our troops home as Trump is doing now. Or did the spineless one kowtow to resistance then as well?

#38 | Posted by goatman

www.militarytimes.com

I love it.

Righties start it, leave it in a giant schitt heap, blame a Dem for it only to credit a conman Repub for taking the final step (some argue recklessly;www.nytimes.com).

#49 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-16 01:47 PM | Reply

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