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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

There really was a collusion plot. It really did target our election system. It absolutely sought to usurp our capacity for self-determination. It was just not the collusion you've been told about for nearly three years. It was not "Donald Trump's collusion with Russia." Here is the real collusion scheme: In 2016, the incumbent Democratic administration of President Barack Obama put the awesome powers of the United States government's law-enforcement and intelligence apparatus in the service of the Hillary Rodham Clinton presidential campaign, the Democratic party, and the progressive Beltway establishment. This scheme had two parts: Plan A, the objective; and Plan B, a fail-safe strategy in case Plan A imploded " which all the smartest people were supremely confident would never, ever happen ... which is why you could bet the ranch that it would.

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Plan A was to get Mrs. Clinton elected president of the United States. This required exonerating her, at least ostensibly, from well-founded allegations of her felonious and politically disqualifying actions.

Plan B was the insurance policy: an investigation that Donald Trump, in the highly unlikely event he was elected, would be powerless to shut down. An investigation that would simultaneously monitor and taint him. An investigation that internalized Clinton-campaign-generated opposition research, limning Trump and his campaign as complicit in Russian espionage. An investigation that would hunt for a crime under the guise of counterintelligence, build an impeachment case under the guise of hunting for a crime, and seek to make Trump un-reelectable under the guise of building an impeachment case.

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Garbage article not fit for outhouse paper.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 01:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

FTA:

"That loss made it inevitable that the Obama administration's exploitation of counterintelligence powers to monitor the opposition party's presidential campaign would come to light. That made it imperative to promote the notion that there had been a Trump"Russia scheme worth investigating " a dark cloud of suspicion that would straitjacket and shorten the Trump presidency."

The collusion narrative.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-14 01:09 PM | Reply

Sure Laura. deny the obvious.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-14 01:11 PM | Reply

The author has covered this story (along with the Hillary email story) extensively and just recently published a book about it.

As for the whole Obama admin weaponizing the FBI, DOJ, CIA and State Department theory? I'm keeping my powder dry as I think this is highly unlikely.

The Horowitz IG report is supposed to be released in September. That should shed some light one way or another.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 01:13 PM | Reply

#1 then challenge it with facts rather than jerking your knee and puking out the predictable hyper-partisan response

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 01:13 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

That's all Laura has these days, sadly.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sheep -

If you were really a Bernie Sanders supporter who was sick and tired of DNC machinations and the Democratic Party's corporate donor base ...

Then why aren't you pimping Jimmy Dore?

drudge.com

Jimmy Dore's easy-to-find you-tube videos of him bashing establishment Democrats and all the things that supposedly goes with that; war, Wall Street and corporate kow-towing, etc. ... are all on Dore's list to rip on.

Are you really what your rhetoric says, anti-war and anti-corporate oligarchy, or are you just a mindless pot-stirring troll?

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-14 01:34 PM | Reply

Are you really what your rhetoric says, anti-war and anti-corporate oligarchy, or are you just a mindless pot-stirring troll?

POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-08-14 01:34 PM | REPLY

My money is on that.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 01:36 PM | Reply

Trump murdered Epstein.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-14 02:14 PM | Reply

"Trump murdered Epstein.

#9 | POSTED BY ZED "

No, Bush did.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 02:25 PM | Reply

No, Bush did.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08

Then Trump let him.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-14 02:27 PM | Reply

Epstein was under the care and protection of Donald Trump. Under the circumstances, a death sentence.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-14 02:28 PM | Reply

Here are some facts:
Many members of Trumps campaign and whitehouse team meet with Russians and lied about it to the FBI. Many times.
Hillary testified before Congress for over 11 hours under oath.
Trump refused to testify under oath.

Obama went to McConnell before the election with evidence the Russians were hacking the election and then kept quiet about it as per McConnell's request.

Obama and Hillary didn't lie about Russian involvement.
Trump has lied about everything and then makes up new lies when caught.

Trump is a sleezeball who took help from Russians and others because he has no moral compass.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-14 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hillary and the DNC are all powerful.

Except, they couldn't figure out how to rig the votes in order to win the election.

Hillary and Obama are the reason Trump is a narcissistic child.

That his only accomplishment has been to pass a tax cut for himself. That he's so successfully divided America with his fearmongering of immigrants, his tweets about football players, his personal attacks on judges and members of Congress.

Poor Trump. Why is Hillary so mean?

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-14 03:21 PM | Reply

Poor Trump. Why is Hillary so mean?

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-14 03:21 PM | REPLY

No. Why is Hillary so schitty that she couldn't beat Trump??? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 03:25 PM | Reply

I find it amusing Sherp, Goat, and Jeff are calling Laura, one of the most staunchly anti-Hillary posters on the DR, a partisan shill for calling this conspiracy opinion piece garbage.

Physicians go heal thyselves.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-14 03:28 PM | Reply

That's all Laura has these days, sadly.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-14 01:16 PM | REPL

Don't post Articles from the right winged hack Andrew C McCarthy and I won't call it garbage. Easy peasy McCheesy..

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#16 I didn't call Laura a partisan shill.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 03:33 PM | Reply

McCarthy is taking a gamble here. If the IG report comes up empty he's going to have some egg on his face with his new book.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 03:34 PM | Reply

OK, Clown. I can see why you thought I was calling her that.

I was agreeing with Goat that all she does is knee jerk react to things she disagrees with.

She's definitely not a partisan shill though. In the past she's voted for herself in lieu of voting for the Dem POTUS nominee. A partisan shill wouldn't do that.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 03:36 PM | Reply

I find it amusing Sherp, Goat, and Jeff are calling Laura, one of the most staunchly anti-Hillary posters on the DR, a partisan shill for calling this conspiracy opinion piece garbage.
Physicians go heal thyselves.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-14 03:28 PM | REPLY

Yeah like Really now. It's not like I'm on her fan list or anything. Or her Pantsuit a month club for Women.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 03:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Why is Hillary so schitty that she couldn't beat Trump?

She has 30+ years of political baggage, both real and concocted, the GOP used against her.

She came off as an elitist.

She acted entitled.

She was overconfident.

She didn't campaign hard enough in northern states.

She wasn't pulling big enough crowds while campaigning.

She told people she wasn't going to be able to save their jobs, and Trump told them he would.

What else. I'm sure there's more reasons.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-14 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I find it amusing Sherp, Goat, and Jeff are calling Laura, one of the most staunchly anti-Hillary posters on the DR, a partisan shill..."

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Except I never called her anything at all, much less a partisan shill. In fact, I don't see where the other two called her anything, much less a partisan shill, either, You are a liar. And unlike you, I am not amused. An apology is in order, as well as promise to stop lying.

People who lie, escpecially so boldy, clearly have no valid rebuttal. That being the case, they should simply keep their mouths shut rather than make up ----.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 03:38 PM | Reply

Goat,

This is what Clown was referencing:

#1 then challenge it with facts rather than jerking your knee and puking out the predictable hyper-partisan response

#5 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

22: wow, no mention of Russia as a reason for losing. Well done sir.

#25 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-14 03:42 PM | Reply

#16 You're a liar Clownfart. as usual.

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-14 03:42 PM | Reply

"Oh yeah, Russia too!" - Clownfort

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-14 03:44 PM | Reply

#23

Goat. Read your own words.

"then challenge it with facts rather than jerking your knee and puking out the predictable hyper-partisan response
#5 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

So yes, you didn't call her a "partisan shill", you accused her of "puking out the predictable hyper-partisan response".

There maybe a difference in your mind. But it reads the same to me.

As for Jeff. He cleared up what he meant and I can accept his opinion about how he perceives his interactions with Laura. Although I think Laura is just over trying to explain things to people who already have their minds made up. So she just expresses her disgust with the garbage being posted and moves on.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-14 03:46 PM | Reply

That's all Laura has these days, sadly.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ

He says responding to Goatshart...

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 03:51 PM | Reply

"...Goatshart...

#29 | POSTED BY JPW "

Profound, for you anyeay.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 03:53 PM | Reply

Profound, for you anyeay.

#30 | Posted by goatman

Just stooping to your level.

Profound, I know.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 03:56 PM | Reply

"Just stooping to your level.

#31 | POSTED BY JPW "

A version of "I know you are, but what am I"

Wow. These zingers are world class. LOL

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 04:11 PM | Reply

www.thedailybeast.com

One source upon which many of these critiques rely (including those of President Donald Trump) is Andrew C. McCarthy, who, like the three authors, is a former federal prosecutor. On Fox News and in the National Review, McCarthy makes three primary arguments: (1) the so-called Steele dossier was "the driving force behind the Trump-Russia investigation"; (2) the FISA court was not told that the Clinton campaign was behind Steele's work; and (3) the FBI did not "verify" the factual allegations contained in the dossier.

McCarthy's first two points should be quickly dismissed. The first Page FISA application, however, was not obtained until October 2016, well after the Trump-Russia investigation began and even after Page himself had left the campaign. McCarthy (and Trump) attempt to pinpoint the Page FISA application as the central reason for the initiation of the Trump-Russia investigation in a sleight-of-hand attempt to discredit the investigation, but the facts just don't support that assertion.

The facts also do not support McCarthy's second point (one that Congressman Devin Nunes misleadingly emphasized in his infamous memo about the warrant): that the FISA court was not informed about the Clinton campaign's financial support for Christopher Steele's work. In fact, the original application included more than a one-page footnote extensively informing the court about the fact that Steele was hired essentially to dig up dirt on Donald Trump, which more than adequately informs a court of his potential bias. Whether the Clinton campaign was the source of the payments " which Steele has testified before Congress that he did not know, because he was retained by Fusion GPS " is irrelevant to the substance of the disclosure of potential bias. Nothing more is required or necessary in a warrant application than revealing the fact of a source's potential for bias.

MY WORDS FOLLOW

This is why Andrea C McCarthy's article is garbage

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 04:23 PM | Reply

"But it reads the same to me.

#28 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Not to me, and I wrote it. I write what I mean. Of course that doesn't keep others from twisting my words to read something they want it to say. You lied. Own it.

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 04:24 PM | Reply

Although I think Laura is just over trying to explain things to people who already have their minds made up. So she just expresses her disgust with the garbage being posted and moves on.

#28 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-14 03:46 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Yep. Why waste my time and strain my brain on garbage. Larry would have but not me.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 04:25 PM | Reply

Wow. These zingers are world class. LOL

#32 | Posted by goatman

I think the word you're looking for is "profound".

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 04:44 PM | Reply

That's all Laura has these days, sadly.
POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-14 01:16 PM | REPL

Oh and you can stop with your Transphobic bigotry posts. I get it. You abhor trans girls/women. That's all you would have to say. Easy Peasy McCheesy.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-14 05:01 PM | Reply

The Russian narrative has not ceased to amuse me. Hillary supporters freaking out that a rival country may have influenced an election by - wait for it - revealing a few facts. Such as the ridiculous way she colluded with the DNC to steal the nomination. No one is angry at her for being such an awful candidate. Just that the truth about it came out.

A conspiracy theory with a side of shoot the messenger. Plus Russia still hiding under the Democrat's beds. Not to mention millions wasted on trying to prove Trump had anything to do with the info that came out.

Not that Russia hasn't tried to influence the US. But the left keeps pretending like Russia is just siding with the right, when Russia is siding with both extremes trying to divide the populace and weaken the nation as a whole. Something all these partisan hacks seem to have forgotten even exists.

#38 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-14 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Goat,

"Not to me, and I wrote it. "

Perhaps you should learn how to better communicate your point and not just post on a thread to call out another poster.

I mean. Do you actually have an opinion about the topic of the thread? Or was calling out Laura your only objective.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-14 05:50 PM | Reply

"Perhaps you should learn how to better communicate your point...

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

I communicated my point perfectly. I said exactly what I wanted to say. That I did not say what you wanted me to say is YOUR problem, not mine. Perhaps you should learn to accept that people mean what they write and you don't have the right to twist their words to suit yourself, then accuse them of not communicating well.

How arrogant of you to tell me I did not communicate my point well. I could not have said it better.

You used to not be like this. You've really turned into a real jerk in the 2.5 years I've been gone.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 05:54 PM | Reply

I communicated my point perfectly.

Obviously not.

Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. Even Jeff tried to help you see where what I wrote was reflecting what you had written.

Perhaps you should learn to accept that people mean what they write

I do. Again, look at the communication between Jeff and I. I mistook what he wrote. He showed me I was wrong. I fully accepted what he said.

I even identified what it was you had written (as did Jeff) and explained how I reached the conclusion I did based on what you wrote.

and you don't have the right to twist their words to suit yourself, then accuse them of not communicating well.

No twisting needed. Literally responded to what you wrote.

Perhaps when trying to communicate, you should make sure your point is clear.

How arrogant of you to tell me I did not communicate my point well.

Hold on, I'll get you a cross to bear. Your performance is spectacular.

You post in a thread to attack another poster, get called out, then spend the rest of the thread acting wounded and victimized.

Grow up Goat.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-14 06:32 PM | Reply

That's all Laura has these days, sadly.
POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-14 01:16 PM | REPL
----
Oh and you can stop with your Transphobic bigotry posts. I get it. You abhor trans girls/women. That's all you would have to say. Easy Peasy McCheesy.

#37 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Oh, so now mere criticism of you is transphobic bigotry? Piss off with that. The victim-card works on college campuses but it doesn't work here.

PS - I don't dislike you, much less abhor you.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 06:37 PM | Reply

"Oh, so now mere criticism of you is transphobic bigotry? Piss off with that. The victim-card works on college campuses but it doesn't work here.

#42 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

He (or she, she was a he when this happened, so I'm not sure what pronoun to use) called me a racist because I didn't like Obama. So I'm not surprised at his (at the time) response to you.

As they say, the definition of a racist is someone who wins an argument against a liberal. I guess along the same lines, a transphobic is someone who wins an argument against a trans whatever.

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 07:14 PM | Reply

For me, I honestly think the entire Russia narrative was concocted because the Dems thought Trump was laundering money for the someone - anyone - and they lack the authority to do a fishing expedition without an excuse. Russia was just a convenient excuse. Like the article states, after they lost and were caught with the hand in the cookie jar, they needed ramp up the Russia allegation to whitewash the whole exercise.

As for IG Horowitz, he is a company man and will try to retain the reputation of the FBI. That is why we get the lack of candor nonsense rather than 'lying' like they would say about any non-FBI agent doing the exact same thing. So, I have zero faith in him delivering the goods - not to mention that he is restricted in what investigative actions he can even take.

Barr's investigation is the one to watch. That is the one that will result in the perp walk for many in the FBI, CIA, DoJ...I just hope they make the arrests and execute search warrants at 5am using a swat team with CNN tipped off to watch it all go down....fair is fair.

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-14 11:55 PM | Reply

"a transphobic is someone who wins an argument against a trans whatever.
#43 | POSTED BY GOATMAN "

Some trans are impossible to beat - like a 1977 Pontaic Firebird Trans AM driven by Burt Reynolds.

#45 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-08-14 11:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I like Laura, I just think she's biased.

*not that there's anything wrong with that*

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 12:02 AM | Reply

Grow up Goat.
#41 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-14 06:32 PM | FLAG: PROJECTION

#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-15 12:36 AM | Reply

#47 | POSTED BY A SOILED MATTRESS

How do my ankles taste?

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-15 01:18 AM | Reply

How do my ankles taste?
#48 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Probably like stinky pajamas.

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 01:22 AM | Reply

Thread in which HDS sufferer Sheepdip promotes rwing conspiracy theorist's book promotion, rofl.

It was only a matter of time.... and increased sappiness.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2019-08-15 01:31 PM | Reply

If Obama had indeed put the DOJ and the FBI at the disposal of Hillary Clinton, then how in the heck did she ever allow FBI Director Comey to come out eight days before the election with his ridicules Anthony Weiner laptop/email crap? Also, NOT a single word about the plethora of clandestine contacts between members of the Trump Campaign and Russians was ever leaked. Trust me, if Hillary had any say over what was and what not going on inside the DOJ and the FBI, that story would have been all over the airways. In fact, this very situation, that there was NOT a single leak of any of the investigation into the Trump campaign, is all the proof that any sane, thinking person would need to know in order to believe that Hillary had NO special knowledge of what was going on, or that Obama in any way was trying to put his finger on the scale in favor of Hillary. All it would have taken is a single headline in the NYT or the Washington Post a few days after the Access Hollywood tapes had come out, to have killed the Trump campaign in its tracks.

OCU

#51 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-15 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Caduser,

We'll know a lot more when the IG report is released next month.

I think it's highly unlikely that the DOJ/FBI/CIA/State Department were weaponized against Team Trump. The Hillary angle was already investigated and I felt Horowitz didn't see the forest through all of the trees.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 03:46 PM | Reply

"This required exonerating her, at least ostensibly, from well-founded allegations of her felonious and politically disqualifying actions."

What a riot.

A thousand lawyers have spent a million hours, and they haven't come up with ONE chargeable event. Is she that brilliant and cunning, or are they that stupid and incompetent?

Of course, there's a third possibility: she's decent at governing, and they're dishonest lying sacks of schitt. Benghazi, anyone?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Alt-right rag the National Review? Really Sheeple/Lieberg/Nobias/JordyStPete?

#54 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-15 11:15 PM | Reply

National Review is alt-right?

Risible.

Why don't you ask David French or Jonah Goldberg about their experiences with the alt-right?

Here's a primer for you (you'll probably wish you could join in):

Trump's alt-right trolls have subjected me and my family to an unending torrent of abuse that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
I distinctly remember the first time I saw a picture of my then-seven-year-old daughter's face in a gas chamber. It was the evening of September 17, 2015. I had just posted a short item to the Corner calling out notorious Trump ally Ann Coulter for aping the white-nationalist language and rhetoric of the so-called alt-right. Within minutes, the tweets came flooding in. My youngest daughter is African American, adopted from Ethiopia, and in alt-right circles that's an unforgivable sin. It's called "race-cucking" or "raising the enemy."

I saw images of my daughter's face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a "------" and a "dindu." The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with "black bucks." People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching.

When we both publicized some of the racist attacks " I in National Review and Nancy in the Washington Post " things took a far more ominous turn. Late the next evening " while Nancy was, fortunately, offline attending a veterans' charity event in D.C. " the darker quarters of the alt-right found her Patheos blog. Several different accounts began posting images and GIFs of extreme violence in her comments section.

Click on a post and scroll down and you'll see pictures of black men shooting other black men, close-up images of suicides, GIFs of grisly executions " the kinds of psyche-scarring things that one can't "unsee."...


www.nationalreview.com

You don't have a ------- clue.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-16 12:46 PM | Reply

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