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Wednesday, August 14, 2019

In 2007, two governments set into motion a massive public health experiment. One was the state of Texas, where lawmakers rejected a mandate to vaccinate adolescent girls against human papillomavirus, or HPV, a near-ubiquitous sexually transmitted infection that causes cervical cancer. For more than a decade since, the number of Texas adolescents vaccinated against HPV has remained low.

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This is hilarious. Typeical Democrats.

Texas tried to mandate HPV vaccinatiions over a decade ago. But the Democrats cried and whined and made it political. So Texas was not able to implement the vaccine and because of this Texas hasn't made a dent in HPV eradication.

Democrates, it is you who are making cervical cancer great again in Texas by blocking its implentation over a decade ago. Y'all own this one. Thanks a lot. one.

www.texastribune.org

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 03:18 PM | Reply

We did not want to be the first in offering young girls for the experiment to see if this vaccine is effective or not," state Rep. Dennis Bonnen, the Angleton Republican who authored the bill overturning Perry's order, told The New York Times. (Bonnen, now the Texas House Speaker, did not respond to emailed questions.)

Way to go, repugs.

#2 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-08-14 03:26 PM | Reply

Texas tried to mandate HPV vaccinatiions over a decade ago. But the Democrats cried and whined and made it political. So Texas was not able to implement the vaccine and because of this Texas hasn't made a dent in HPV eradication.

LOL

So an overwhelming vote to overturn Perry's executive order to mandate the vaccine was the "Democrates"?

The backlash from evangelicals was the "Democrates"?

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 03:56 PM | Reply

"So an overwhelming vote to overturn Perry's executive order to mandate the vaccine was the "Democrates"?"

Yes, it was. The Evangelicals could not have done it by themselves. Hell, it was even brough up in this blog during the '08 election. I remember clearly party divide with the left decrying Perry wanting to vaccinate everyone. Of course, it was probably petty politics and talking points they were ordered to regurgitate. But the left was definitely against it, for whatever reason.

Dems, this is your fault.

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 04:15 PM | Reply

Yes, it was.
Dems, this is your fault.

#4 | Posted by goatman

But the Evangelicals didn't help, then?

What was it you said?

#1 then challenge it with facts rather than jerking your knee and puking out the predictable hyper-partisan response

Posted by goatman

Physician, heal thyself!

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 04:44 PM | Reply

"Physician, heal thyself!

#5 | POSTED BY JPW "

???

I provided facts. Put up a link.

What does this have to do with healing, something that wouldn't ge necessary if the democrats had not blocked Perry's attempt to implement HPV vaccinations.

Dems own this problem, but do continue to deflect if deflections are all you have.

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 05:26 PM | Reply

Dems own this problem, but do continue to deflect if deflections are all you have.

#6 | Posted by goatman

I don't recall you being this dishonest.

A semantics game player, yes. But not a dishonest partisan.

Sad.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-14 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dems own this problem, but do continue to deflect if deflections are all you have.

#6 | Posted by goatman

Why don't you use the Googles before making such ridiculous assertions?!

Pressure from evangelical groups and members of a nascent anti-vaccine political movement to repeal the executive order mounted, while government watchdogs accused the Texas governor of being too cozy with pharmaceutical lobbyists; his former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, had gone on to become a lobbyist for Merck, the manufacturer of the Gardasil HPV vaccine.

Within weeks, Texas lawmakers revolted against Perry's order " and with support from Democrats AND Republicans, the Legislature voted overwhelmingly to torpedo the mandate.

"We did not want to be the first in offering young girls for the experiment to see if this vaccine is effective or not," state Rep. Dennis Bonnen, the Angleton Republican who authored the bill overturning Perry's order, told The New York Times. (Bonnen, now the Texas House Speaker, did not respond to emailed questions.)

www.texastribune.org

Too bad TX Republicans slashed funding for women's health clinics across the state, lessening availability of the vaccine.

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-14 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

GOATMAN

Republicans have controlled TX state government for many, many years.

Your blaming 'Dems' is like blaming them for the GOP-controlled Congress and WH enacting a debt creating trillion dollar tax cut no one needed and that didn't lead to 'jobs' as promised, only stock buybacks and bonuses as predicted.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-14 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#9 -- how easily you forget the the 2008 election when the Dems were all over Perry for giving big pharm money for the vaccine. (I guess they were supposed to provide it for free or something) I'd be surprised if you weren't one of the ones crying about it.

But then, you can't remember any of the dozens of times I've claimed I don't like Bush, even if it was the day before, so I guess I'm not surprised about the dem candidates accusing Perry of malfeasance when he wanted to vaccinate Texas school kids. Speaking of that, isn't it time for you to puke out that accusation that I never say bad things about Trump again? It's been three whole days!

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 06:02 PM | Reply

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"Republicans have controlled TX state government for many, many years.

#9 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

The Republicans lost one seat in the Texas state legislature I am aware of because it was to my cousin. You know of my past connection to a powerful politician. (btw, she stops working for him at the end of the month. I expect to see him at her retirement party) But now it's a Democrat I'm related to. Email me and I'll tell you who he is and his district. We fight, but I trust your discretion.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-14 06:07 PM | Reply

We fight, but I trust your discretion.

#11 | Posted by goatman

Always. This place is only for arguing about politics. Nothing personal :)

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-14 06:24 PM | Reply

#9 -- how easily you forget the the 2008 election when the Dems were all over Perry for giving big pharm money for the vaccine.

Evangelicals were the ones who got in an uproar that led to reversing that policy.

I thought the vaccines were a good idea, regardless of politics. And I was sad to read about TX defunding women's health clinics. Ya, some of them performed abortions but it was a small part of what they do; HPV testing (and vaccines if requested), birth control (that prevents unwanted pregnancies), prenatal care, etc etc etc.

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-14 06:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AU,

The anti-vaxxing thing is weird. It's almost trendy right now and it crosses all political/ideological lines.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AU,

The anti-vaxxing thing is weird. It's almost trendy right now and it crosses all political/ideological lines.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ

Ya, it's weird. I had polio, smallpox, measles, and other vaccines kids get, then several rounds of multiple vaccines for everything from yellow fever and malaria to what must be every other disease known to mankind when I did USO tours.

Never had a single health issue related to any of them. And never caught any of the diseases for which I've been vaccinated.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-14 07:33 PM | Reply

AU,

My mom had polio (and battled through it). I have a deceased uncle who married one of my mom's sisters who had polio and was wheelchair-bound his entire life. I remember being vaccinated for polio when I was a kid. I suffered zero ill-effects.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-14 08:10 PM | Reply

Hispanic women are both 60 percent more likely to be diagnosed with cervical cancer, and 30 percent more likely to die from cervical cancer as compared to non-Hispanic white women.
minorityhealth.hhs.gov

en.wikipedia.org

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-15 12:26 AM | Reply

"Dems own this problem"

Republicans have controlled the trifecta since 2003:
ballotpedia.org

So far, the excuse is Dems whined, so we gave in to them, when all we REALLY wanted to do was support women. As if.

Next, the Dems will get blamed for Texas closing down most of the women's clinics.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 12:51 AM | Reply

"Hispanic women are both 60 percent more likely to be diagnosed with cervical cancer..."

That's 7yr old data. Newer data puts the numbers a bit closer:
www.cancer.org

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 12:55 AM | Reply

Hispanic women are far less likely to seek female health.

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 01:05 AM | Reply

"Hispanic women are far less likely to seek female health."

Wouldn't that be a reason to open more women's health clinics, instead of trying to close as many as possible?

Seriously...if you're "the government", is your statement where you end the discussion? Or is that where it begins?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 01:10 AM | Reply

"Wouldn't that be a reason to open more women's health clinics, instead of trying to close as many as possible?

POSTED BY DANFORTH "

The issue isn't clinic availability. The issue is cultural. More clinics will not overcome strong cultural habits.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 01:13 AM | Reply

"The issue isn't clinic availability. The issue is cultural. More clinics will not overcome strong cultural habits."

Give it time, and education; those things work wonders.

Oh...and vaccines. Those work wonders, too.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-15 01:18 AM | Reply

- HPV, a near-ubiquitous sexually transmitted infection that causes cervical cancer.

Sexual promiscuity has consequences. Your behavior is not my problem.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 01:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans have held the power in Texas for decades, blaming this on Democrats in a state dominated by Republicans is just trolling and it's stupid.
I must say, trolling has increased quite a bit with the reappearance of Goatman. I didn't miss him when he was gone, won't miss him if he leaves again. He's just in it for the trolling and everyone here knows it.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-15 04:21 AM | Reply

Danni,

You're just pissed that he doesn't toe the line.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 08:27 AM | Reply

#26 nonsense.

I love it how righties schitt post garbage 90% of the time then, when called out, whine that others are intolerant of "dissenting opinions" as if that's all their garbage is.

Read the thread, Jeff, if you can't see why your post is ridiculous then you won't understand the explanation.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 09:42 AM | Reply

#27 He's making a very specific claim based upon being a resident of Texas and with firsthand knowledge of the politicking over this issue.

This is the first I've heard of this issue and I know nothing about it. The rejoinders haven't been specific - just the "Nuh uh!" variety.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 10:03 AM | Reply

Google it.

It's far from the Dem's fault.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 10:32 AM | Reply

Sexual promiscuity has consequences. Your behavior is not my problem.
#24 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Spoken like a true incel.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-15 10:37 AM | Reply

Spoken like a true incel.
#30 | POSTED BY JOE

Spoken like a irresponsible STD carrier.

How many illegitimate kids have you absconded on?

Your behavior is not my problem.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 10:51 AM | Reply

Wouldn't this involve writing some very fat checks to evil pharmaceutical companies?
Do any states provide this benefit for free?
Shouldn't concerned parents pay for this?
A single aspirin held between the knees until marriage would work just as well.

#32 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-08-15 10:56 AM | Reply

"Dems own this problem"

There was some guy once who passed by Adolph Hitler in 1929 while Hitler was walking down some German road. That guy could have killed Hitler instead of passing by without a word.

Reductio Ad-Hitlerum be damned-- I blame that guy for WWII.

#33 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2019-08-15 11:33 AM | Reply

A single aspirin held between the knees until marriage would work just as well.

#32 | Posted by visitor_

Funny how you tools see this as only a female problem.

A woman can hold a "single asprin between the knees until marriage" and still get HPV from her husband.

And you fools really wonder why people call the GOP anti-woman?

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 12:46 PM | Reply

Texas has a moron problem.
Look at the (R)tards from there that post here.

#35 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-15 02:52 PM | Reply

Hey Zed,

Monson just called you a moron.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 02:54 PM | Reply

Only if Zed is a Republican.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 04:18 PM | Reply

Some state has to have the highest occurrence.
Since Texas is second most populous state.
Hardly news at all.

#38 | Posted by Docman at 2019-08-15 04:27 PM | Reply

#38 It's an adjusted rate per 100,000 women, which you'd know had you clicked on the article instead of making excuses for antivaxxers.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-15 04:38 PM | Reply

"Texas has a moron problem.

#35 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

Profound. For you, anyway.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:42 PM | Reply

"Some state has to have the highest occurrence.
Since Texas is second most populous state.
Hardly news at all.

#38 | POSTED BY DOCMAN "

Not only that, but the vast majority of women with cervical cancer in Texas are Hispanic, even though they are a minority. Culturally, Hispanic women are less likely to seek OBGYN services.

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:44 PM | Reply

#41

www.dshs.texas.gov

Unless you have newer data your Hispanic talking point is garbage too.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 04:55 PM | Reply

"Unless you have newer data your Hispanic talking point is garbage too.

#42 | POSTED BY JPW"

Yes, I do. Same source, but later data. Funny how you missed that.

file:///C:/Users/wks8/Downloads/2018%20Cervical%20Cancer%20Factsheet%20final%20(3).pdf

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 05:04 PM | Reply

Hispanic women have higher cervical cancer rates

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 05:09 PM | Reply

Yes, I do. Same source, but later data. Funny how you missed that

If it's the 2018 version of the sheet I posted I saw it after I posted.

It shows the same thing in that population wise, whites and hispanics are about even and they have about even rates of cervical cancer.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 06:32 PM | Reply

"It shows the same thing in that population wise, whites and hispanics are about even and they have about even rates of cervical cancer.

#45 | POSTED BY JPW"

371 is not "about even" to 300. It is 24% more. If it's that hard for you to admit that you were wrong and I am right, it's best jjust to keep quiet. It's pathetic watching hubris based spin.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 06:38 PM | Reply

Alright. You were right about that one. Here's your bacon treat.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-16 12:05 AM | Reply

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