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A new rule proposed by President Trump's administration would allow businesses that receive federal contracts to discriminate against LGBTQ individuals according to employers' religious beliefs, critics say.

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Question. Why would anyone want to work for such a company, a religious based organization that they were so vehemently opposed to, to begin with?

Would it be discriminatory for a vegan food company to not allow meat in the lunchroom?

Is it discriminatory for a spiritual meditation and healing products manufacturer to not hire an anarchist?

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-14 11:59 PM | Reply

So Benedict Donald should be able to be fired, right?

#2 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-15 02:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

So Benedict Donald should be able to be fired, right?

#3 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-15 02:23 AM | Reply

We're talking about companies with federal contracts, sorry the religious excuse for discrimination fails. Private business, maybe ok, federal contractor no way. My tax dollars support that business and I should not have to support a business that discriminates in any way.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-15 08:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Would it be discriminatory for a vegan food company to not allow meat in the lunchroom?
Is it discriminatory for a spiritual meditation and healing products manufacturer to not hire an anarchist?

#1 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Since there are no diet-based protected classes (not related to religion) then legally it would not be discrimination. But, in concept, yes I believe not allowing meat in the lunchroom would be discriminatory and should not be acceptable in our society (unless there is an accomodation?... maybe a separate lunchroom that does allow meat?).

I am not sure how you would define an "anarchist" but that seems to border on religion (so someone could claim it was there "religion") and would probably be illegal. Regardless, as long as the "anarchist" beliefs don't impinge on the quality of their work, then their job should not be in danger.

#5 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-15 08:49 AM | Reply

"proposed"

Don't see this happening.

#6 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 09:04 AM | Reply

Like Danni said, federal contractors who use government money?

Not going to happen.

#7 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 09:07 AM | Reply

#7 yeah you big dummy, this administration has bluffed about enacting bigoted and discriminatory policy.

Wake up you ignorant self-shamer!

#8 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-15 09:22 AM | Reply

No surprise sheeple defends this trash.

Of course he probably thinks he's a decent person too.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 09:55 AM | Reply

#9 JPW

Defend what? Why would YOU want to work for a company whose core values YOU oppose?

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 10:44 AM | Reply

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#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Actually I work for a company who's owners have very different views from mine. That can be said for probably half the people in the country. It doesn't make it a bad job or them bad people - necessarily. But then again we have a few employees that fall into LGBTQ and I personally don't see any discrimination against them based on that.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-08-15 11:17 AM | Reply

Question. Why would anyone want to work for such a company, a religious based organization that they were so vehemently opposed to, to begin with?
#1 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-08-14 11:59 PM | REPLY

This ruling also expands the definition of a religious based organization. FTA:

"The contractor must be organized for a religious purpose, meaning that it was conceived with a self-identified religious purpose. This need not be the contractor's only purpose."

Take, for example, any number of religious-based hospitals. Being LGBT in nowise impacts your ability to perform work at these companies (being an ER Doctor, for example). You're not working for an organization you're "vehemently opposed to" or whose core values you oppose, you're working for a hospital that provides services to the general public (and in many cases, paid for by the general public). These organizations would be able to discriminate, even though your performance isn't impacted by your orientation status. That's a bad idea.

I can see where Westboro Baptist might have an exception, but many of the religious based organizations that serve the public? Nope, sorry.

#12 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-08-15 11:24 AM | Reply

Hahahahaha!!! Liberals shout every day how Christianity rules America and how we aren't truly a religion-free controlled...then the government does something about it and Liberals whine and cry. Liberalism's biggest pain point is this problem. You can't satisfy Liberalism because when you make one thing right, they immediately start whining and crying about what it makes wrong. This is why Liberals today have a problem keeping control, they believe they don't need control. They believe every fix works but then come face to face with the negative repercussions of those fixes and then think the next problem is something we have to face. There was a time when Liberals governed by the understanding that every action can cause negative repercussions and there is no way around that. Ever since the 90s, that philosophy changed where they want action and refuse to believe any action they take can possibly have negatives, but anything anyone else does only has negatives. I'd love for them to get a grip again, but all I can do is keep hope alive.

#13 | Posted by humtake at 2019-08-15 12:03 PM | Reply

The place around the corner will change my oil but won't do transmissions.

If the hospital doesn't do abortions, go to another hospital that does.

#14 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-15 12:05 PM | Reply

It's ok for a company like Google to be a hot bed of flaming liberals and openly discriminating against conservatives and probably Christians, but God forbid if a company wanted to enact their own core values that are religion based.

I'm not defending this company for openly firing gays, but my point is liberals are hypocrites when they don't oppose discrimination against conservatives.

But what's new.

#15 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 12:06 PM | Reply

Defend what? Why would YOU want to work for a company whose core values YOU oppose?

#10 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-08-15 10:44 AM | FLAG:

Because they operate on your hard earned tax dollars that are paid to the government. This isn't Billy Bob's BBQ or Sally Q's wedding cakes.

I understand what you're saying but if someone's taxes funds a company's worth they should be eligible for employment no matter religion or sexual orientation

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-15 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Defend what? Why would YOU want to work for a company whose core values YOU oppose?

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 10:44 AM

I would suspect the typical employee doesn't have the luxury of shopping for a job based solely on the company's values.

#17 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-08-15 12:13 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY PETROUS AT 2019-08-15 12:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Your comments aren't even close to what this issue is about. It's about employment, not services provided.

#18 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-08-15 12:18 PM | Reply

I'm not defending this company for openly firing gays...
#15 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-15 12:06 PM | REPLY | FLAG

But you ARE defending their "right" to openly fire gays...just to stick one in the eye of liberals and score points in calling them hypocrites.

Also, can you link to the last person fired because they were Christian in the United States? I ask as a member of a minority Christian religion who, quite frankly, is concerned this policy change could be used to discriminate against people like me.

#19 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-08-15 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's ok for a company like Google to be a hot bed of flaming liberals and openly discriminating against conservatives and probably Christians, but God forbid if a company wanted to enact their own core values that are religion based.

Fake values and religion.

The right is a joke who's standards apply to others but never themselves.

Spare me your faux indignation.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-15 12:55 PM | Reply

company wanted to enact their own core values

Companies are inanimate economic objects. They have no values or opinions.

#21 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-15 12:59 PM | Reply

Discrimination is wrong no matter what form it takes and no matter who is targeted.

And yes, that standard even applies to big tech discriminating against conservatives.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bart,

There are insiders reporting Google is an environnment hostile to conservatives.

Bad projects, harassment by coworkers etc.

Considering what they have been "caught" doing with the search engine, it's not too hard to believe management would be biased against conservative employees.

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 01:17 PM | Reply

If a federal contractor could fire someone who was gay because of the owner's Christian beliefs, what's to stop that owner/manager from firing someone because they were Jewish or Muslim? How about firing someone who was cohabiting with a person of the opposite sex? Or an unmarried women who was pregnant? And let's not forget that until the case of 'Loving v. Virginia' was heard by the Supreme Court in 1967, many states used the guise of religion to justify anti-miscegenation laws (illegal for a white person to marry a non-white). Of course, before the Civil War, religion was also sited as an argument in support of slavery, and is still used by some to justify their white-nationalist beliefs.

And if that's OK, what about employees demanding certain rights based on their Christian beliefs? Like not working on the Sabbath or on a Catholic Holy Day of Obligation (BTW, today is 'The Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary' and Catholics should be in church and not at work).

OCU

#24 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-15 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

One wonders when so-called christians will be promoting laws allowing them to discriminate against people who exhibit gluttony, greed, jealousy, arrogant pride, envy, bragging... which are among the so-called 7 deadly sins.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-08-15 01:42 PM | Reply

It's ok for a company like Google to be a hot bed of flaming liberals and openly discriminating against conservatives and probably Christians, but God forbid if a company wanted to enact their own core values that are religion based.
I'm not defending this company for openly firing gays, but my point is liberals are hypocrites when they don't oppose discrimination against conservatives.
But what's new.

POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-15 12:06 PM | REPLY

You talk with forked tongue.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-15 01:43 PM | Reply

Bart,
There are insiders reporting Google is an environnment hostile to conservatives.
Bad projects, harassment by coworkers etc.
Considering what they have been "caught" doing with the search engine, it's not too hard to believe management would be biased against conservative employees.

#23 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-15 01:17 PM |

Even if what you're saying is remotely accurate, how does it excuse a federal contractor from discrimination on any basis?

Christians can be some of the worst whiners evrr

#27 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-15 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Christians can be some of the worst whiners evrr
POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2019-08-15 01:57 PM | REPLY

Especially faux Christians or in this case Fox Christians.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-15 01:59 PM | Reply

FTA:

"With the new rule, businesses that claim a "religious purpose" can benefit from the protection. However, the proposal expands on the meaning of a religious corporation: "The contractor must be organized for a religious purpose, meaning that it was conceived with a self-identified religious purpose. This need not be the contractor's only purpose."

The proposal wants to make clear that "religious exemption covers not just churches but employers that are organized for a religious purpose, hold themselves out to the public as carrying out a religious purpose, and engage in exercise of religion consistent with, and in furtherance of, a religious purpose."

I'm not defending discrimination, I'm wondering what a person applying for a job expects with a company who, according to the article, "employers that are organized for a religious purpose, hold themselves out to the public as carrying out a religious purpose, and engage in exercise of religion consistent with, and in furtherance of, a religious purpose"??

For example, I live in Salt Lake City. I wouldn't even bother applying for a job with the LDS church or Brigham Young University, knowing that 1) I have no desire to further their religious mission, and 2) I know they hire their own.

The only type of person who would want to force themselves into such a job would be the type that wants to create havoc in the company; like, demanding time each day to set up a gargoyle and burn pigeons in front of it on company property. Then suing when they're not accommodated.

Regardless, what kind of religious company is a federal contractor anyways?

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 02:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I'm not defending discrimination, I'm wondering what a person applying for a job expects with a company who, according to the article"

A pay check?

I personally know teachers who work for catholic schools who aren't catholic. They dond teach the religious aspect only the academic.

#30 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-15 02:30 PM | Reply

Yeah, I guess. I just know there are companies I wouldn't work for. But that's just me.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 02:36 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-15 01:17 PM | REPLY

Are those goalposts heavy? I asked about Christian persecution, like you suggested was happening in your #15.

#29 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-08-15 02:17 PM | REPLY

If we were talking about working for LDS Church HQs in SLC, then you'd have a point. But this policy change explicitly broadens who can discriminate against LGBT to religious organizations that provide non-religious services to the general public, as long as said organization was organized for religious purposes (like "following God's commandment to assist the poor"). So moving away from the LDS Church or BYU, what about the LDS-run Primary Children's Hospital in SLC? Should they be able to fire their ER Nurse because it turns out she's a lesbian? This policy change gives them the ability to do this.

#32 | Posted by bartimus at 2019-08-15 02:47 PM | Reply

Lft,

"Even if what you're saying is remotely accurate, how does it excuse a federal contractor from discrimination on any basis"

Is that what I said?

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 04:08 PM | Reply

Is that what I said?

#33 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-15 04:08 PM | FLAG:

Not exactly but you whatabouted on some unsubstantiated claim against Google... se below

"Bart,
There are insiders reporting Google is an environnment hostile to conservatives"

Insiders? That's like an anonymous source that saw Michelle Obama's dick.

#34 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-15 05:23 PM | Reply

Hey Bill, theres inside sources at the Washington Times stating Conservatives are hostile to Hindus.

See how that works? Of course you do.

#35 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-15 05:26 PM | Reply

Lft,

"Not exactly"

Excuse me.

Mgt at Google isn't biased.

How could I have ever thought that?

No discrimination there.

No siree bub.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 06:47 PM | Reply

Christians I've worked with have been some of the most intolerant bigoted people in the wkokforce.

#37 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-15 07:35 PM | Reply

Lft,

You know...if they were hardline intolerant Christians like you say, I have my doubts they would hire you.

Or if they did you wouldn't get past the probationary period if your attitude is anything like what I'm seeing now.

In other words, I don't quite believe you ever worked for "intolerant bigoted people"

They wouldn't hire you.

And if you were fired it would be your bad attitude, not their intolerance.

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 10:03 PM | Reply

In other words, I don't quite believe you ever worked for "intolerant bigoted people"

They wouldn't hire you.

And if you were fired it would be your bad attitude, not their intolerance.

LOL oh man the lack of awareness is so...special.

Why are Chreestians so gullible? Why does some ------- saying they like Jeebus make them ignore all the crappy, unChrist-like stuff they do?

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-16 12:14 PM | Reply

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