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An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death. Among the bones broken in Epstein's neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam's apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.

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For the record, I don't believe this means anything, and have always supported the Clintons. Please don't suicide me ;)

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Broken bones which could be due to hanging but are more often associated with strangulation.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 09:35 AM | Reply

There was abundant opportunity for murder, even more abundant motivation for murder, and now evidence for means to murder.

All these things considered, I imagine the official Barr investigation into Epstein's death to end quickly.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 09:38 AM | Reply

No welfare checks, no camera footage and a transfered cellmate. Weird screams from the cell and now this.
We'll soon notice the Jeffery Epstein and Hillary Clinton share the same number of letters in their names.
Note: I also have no knowledge about the Clintons and do not know anybody that does.

#3 | Posted by Vaquero at 2019-08-15 09:41 AM | Reply

Note: I also have no knowledge about the Clintons and do not know anybody that does.

#3 | Posted by Vaquero at 2019-

If the Clintons have to do with Epstein's death I expect the investigation into it to be absurdly rigorous.

If Trump has to do with it then I expect the investigation to end quickly.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

By memory, from "The Godfather":

"But if my boy is found hanging in his cell, or is shot by police while trying to escape, or is struck by lightning, then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room".

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the Clintons have to do with Epstein's death I expect the investigation into it to be absurdly rigorous.
If Trump has to do with it then I expect the investigation to end quickly.
#4 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-08-15 09:48 AM | FLAG:

So if it involves them both, do you expect it to take the appropriate amount of time? :)

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-15 09:52 AM | Reply

So if it involves them both, do you expect it to take the appropriate amount of time? :)

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019

If it involves SOMEONE, if expect it to take on the aspects of a whitewash. Which to date it has.

I can only remind everyone of the obvious: Epstein was under the care and protection of William Barr and Donald Trump.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 09:55 AM | Reply

If the Clintons have to do with Epstein's death I expect the investigation into it to be absurdly rigorous.

Like the first investigation that gave Epstein a slap on the wrist?

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-15 10:22 AM | Reply

Like the first investigation that gave Epstein a slap on the wrist?

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-15

Like Trump who hired and promoted the man who gave Epstein that slap on the wrist.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's interesting seeing people attempting to wedge the Clintons into a cookie-cutter shape much better filled with Donald Trump.

If you sincerely see Bill Clinton as a man capable of murder then simple honesty demands that you see Trump as being capable of murder too.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 10:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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At this point, I'm thinking that a living Mr Epstein was feared greatly by a powerful person or people. Given Mr Epstein's "business" and "customers," that could include a lot of people. People who do not want to be seen in the same limelight as Mr Epstein.

My big hope at this point is that the DoJ conducts a thorough and proper investigation, and let the evidence drive that investigation.

My confidence level in AG Barr to do that, unfortunately, is low.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-15 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It's interesting seeing people attempting to wedge the Clintons into a cookie-cutter shape much better filled with Donald Trump.

It's interesting you are bringing Donald Trump into this. Clinton did fly on his planes. They have women who have said they saw Clinton with "women on both arms" going into the night on the island. Clinton has every reason to silence Epstein.

#12 | Posted by boaz at 2019-08-15 12:13 PM | Reply

Keep polishing those handcuffs Zed, but they may be used for someone that you least expect...

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-15 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But then there's that videos of Trump partying with Epstein and making whispered comments about women in his ear. And it's being reported that Trump also took a few trips on Epstein's plane and while no one has admitted to seeing Trump on Epstein's island, there is that report where Trump and Epstein were the ONLY two males at a party in Miami with more then 20 young female models in attendance.

OCU

#14 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-15 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's interesting you are bringing Donald Trump into this.

#12 | Posted by boaz at

I've thought from the start Trump would kill someone in his way, just like his heroes do.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-15 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And it's being reported that Trump also took a few trips on Epstein's plane

Donald Trump flew on Jeffrey Epstein's private jet in 1997, along with the billionaire couple Glenn and Eva Dubin.

One flight, compared with 26 logged flights for Bill Clinton.

there is that report where Trump and Epstein were the ONLY two males at a party in Miami with more then 20 young female models in attendance.

If you look at the actual video footage by CBS, there are other guys in attendance.

#16 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-08-15 12:57 PM | Reply

Honestly, I think the 2 things to watch at this point are Ghislaine Maxwell and whether investigations really do continue on.

The Clintons make for a funny meme, but they're also politically somewhat has-beens. I'm not sure how much political capital they have to go around eliminating rivals at this point, without being told they're on their own. Not that enough money can't ultimately buy past that issue. Were Trump involved, I think the most conspicuous sign would be his silence, not a barrage of Tweets to needle his enemies about it. His hangers-on are practically a revolving door as well - reports would be leaking about panic from his camp. At the top of the executive branch though, a sudden drop of investigations would certainly pique suspicion.

What we do know or know of as rumor:

- There was never any reliable final word on whether the initial incident a couple weeks ago was suicide or an attack.

- There were systemic errors regarding guards and rounds, as well as overtime and so staffing issues. At the exact time of death.

- Conflicting reports regarding screaming at the time of death or all quiet.

- Somehow the prisoner in the biggest case of the century was not on camera.

- He was taken off suicide watch for no reason.

- 4Chan had a time stamped report of his death out half an hour or so before any major media.

- His case at least loosely implicated a sitting president, a former president, more strongly implicated 2 members of Congress, foreign dignitaries, A list stars, and more. A great deal of money and power that if not out to all actively murder him, could have been quite willing to fund an opportunity for his suicide. Which his jail seems to have provided. The first in what, 12 years?

- He was a narcissistic mess who was apparently spending up to 12 hours a day with his lawyers, which while not proof, muddies the water about his motive for suicide. That sounds like someone who wants to build a case - or possibly locate documents and trade info for immunity or reduced sentencing. Minimally, a narcissist like that trying to drag everyone down with them seems more likely than suicide. My pure speculation though.

- He previously got a completely unrealistically light sentence in part for not implicating others.

- Speculation about being a CIA plant / providing leverage over who knows what people.

Something is very, very wrong here.

#17 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-15 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Epstein was looking to cooperate and strike a deal for 5years, or possibly fight the charges for double jeopardy.

#18 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-08-15 01:27 PM | Reply

"there are other guys in attendance"

are any of them the Clinton that lives in that void between your ears?

#19 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-08-15 01:30 PM | Reply

If you look at the actual video footage by CBS, there are other guys in attendance.

#16 | Posted by GOnoles92

NO ONE ever claimed that the video showing Trump whispering sexist remarks into Epstein's ear was from the same party where Trump and Epstein were the only male attendees.

From the item below:

A newly unearthed video from 1992 shows Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein watching and commenting on women together at an event at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump's club in Palm Beach, Fla. The video was broadcast on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Wednesday morning.

Dressed in a suit and a pink tie, Mr. Trump, then 46, appears to be in jovial spirits as he plays host, laughing and warmly welcoming guests, including Mr. Epstein " the man he now claims he was "never a fan of."

The video provides a glimpse of Mr. Trump in his element: moving back and forth between the dance floor, filled with cheerleaders for the Buffalo Bills and the Miami Dolphins, and watching from the sidelines, where at one point he points out a woman to Mr. Epstein and leans in to tell him, "She's hot." At another point, Mr. Epstein doubles over laughing at something Mr. Trump whispers into his ear.

Mr. Trump is aware he is being filmed, as he smiles and embraces a blond woman on the dance floor. At one point, he gestures to the camera and tells Mr. Epstein that it belongs to NBC.

The party took place the same year that Mr. Trump hosted a more private affair with Mr. Epstein at Mar-a-Lago, without cameras rolling. At that get-together, Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were the only male guests, and had more than two dozen "calendar girls" flown in to provide them with entertainment, according to George Houraney, a Florida-based businessman who ran American Dream Enterprise and organized the women to attend at Mr. Trump's request.

The original article:

www.nytimes.com

OCU

#20 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-15 01:48 PM | Reply

He was taken off suicide watch for no reason. - #17 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-15 01:00 PM

He was taken off of suicide watch because his attorneys requested it.
www.anglenews.com
www.dailymail.co.uk

#21 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-15 01:58 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by OCUser

Calendar girls, as in, 18+?

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-08-15 02:10 PM | Reply

#20,

So? Is it a crime to fly a bunch of 18+ year old women to your private home or club and bang them?

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2019-08-15 02:32 PM | Reply

Hopefully those straws that OCU are grasping are made of paper...

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-15 02:40 PM | Reply

At the end of the day neither Clinton nor Trump are going to be implicated here. The bigger story is how the prison may well have been compromised by some powerful people to allow this death to occur, and how far up the chain that goes. I don't trust Barr to fairly investigate the matter either.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-15 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If the comments about Clinton are to be taken as legitimate then the ones about Trump are as well. If that's seen a grasping at straws, so be it.

OCU

#26 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-15 03:13 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton: Epstein's Cause Of Death Depends On What Your Definition Of 'Suicide' Is

PHILADELPHIA, PA"Speaking to a packed 30-seat arena, Bill Clinton remarked on Jeffrey Epstein's recent passing, saying that Epstein's cause of death "really depends on what your definition of 'suicide' is."

"Did Epstein commit suicide?" asked an attendee at the event.

A wide-eyed Clinton shrugged his shoulders. "I mean, it really depends on what your definition of suicide is, heh."

An awkward silence ensued. Bill turned to look at Hillary for support, but she just glared at him and ran her finger across her throat, a metaphor that means "death."

babylonbee.com

*Note to Sychopath. This is a satire piece. It does not need to be fact-checked.

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-15 03:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"I did not have homicidal relations with that man."

- Bill Clinton

#28 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-15 03:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Does he have bone spurs like his child-raping tag team partner Trump?

#29 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-08-15 03:47 PM | Reply

"I'm gonna take a walk. I'll be gone at least an hour"

- Metropolitan Correctional Center guard to mystery man

#30 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-15 03:57 PM | Reply

A pathologist was quoted as saying the hyoid bone is found broken in only 6% of hanging suicides.

I'm no pathologist but it seems as though 'multiple bones' would only be broken if someone fell from a height when hanging themselves. How would Epstein be able to pull that off in a jail cell?

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-15 04:01 PM | Reply

"How would Epstein be able to pull that off in a jail cell?
#31 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

He couldn't. He had to get on his knees as it was. I suppose it's possible he jumped up, bent his knees, and broke his own neck before he hit the ground, but it doesn't sound plausible.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-15 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... it doesn't sound plausible.

#32 | Posted by goatman

That's what I'm thinking ...

I mean, it's possible he could strangle himself, but to incur those particular injuries in a jail cell using a bed sheet simply defies logic.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-15 04:15 PM | Reply

I pretty well assume there are multiple wealthy individuals who have ties to Epstein and are worried.

Why does it have to be a politician?

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-15 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So? Is it a crime to fly a bunch of 18+ year old women to your private home or club and bang them?

#23 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Well that depends.

Are we talking Obama administration faux Chreestian morals or Trump administration faux Chreestian morals?

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-16 08:47 AM | Reply

I pretty well assume there are multiple wealthy individuals who have ties to Epstein and are worried.

Why does it have to be a politician?

#34 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-15 10:18 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Good point. I can just imagine a bus pulling up to the jail, and a full load of hired assassins begin spilling out like it's a clown car, cash falling out of their pockets, and a big street fight erupts to see who gets to do the deed.

#36 | Posted by cbob at 2019-08-16 09:50 AM | Reply

The right wing obsession/fascination with Bill Clinton after all these years is fascinating in itself. They will never get over him.

#37 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-16 03:45 PM | Reply

#32 #33 This story doesn't add up. What is surreal is the possibility that someone arranged Epstein's murder while in jail.
Murdering journalists in Turkey is one thing, but murdering Americans in US custody and covering it up means no one is safe.

#38 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-16 06:20 PM | Reply

Mod,

I voted for Bill Clinton and thought it was a clown car of republicans going after him.

When Larry Flynt offered a million dollars to anyone who had dirt on republicans and ended up outing Bob Livingston who was Speaker-Designate who then had to resign I thought it was fair. Livington was in the group going after Clinton.

I voted from Trump and I have no voters-remorse.

Times have changed and the issues have changed.

Democrats are out of touch and their goals are misguided.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-16 07:23 PM | Reply

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