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Thursday, August 15, 2019

Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox, the leading researcher on the topic for the past 35 years, tells Reason, "There is no evidence that we are in the midst of an epidemic of mass shootings." The number of incidents and casualties are simply too small to make such claims and, he stresses, the media coverage of shootings often ends up creating a false sense that gun violence"which is at or near historic lows"is ubiquitous and growing.

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In a wide-ranging interview with Nick Gillespie, Fox explains the common characteristics of mass killers, why violent crime involving guns has declined over the past several decades, and how cable TV and social media contribute to a false sense of panic.

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... an epidemic of mass shootings. ...

... gun violence "which is at or near historic lows" is ubiquitous and growing. ...

All mass shootings are gun violence.

Not all gun violence is a mass shooting.

Mr Fox is playing with statistics and semantics to get page hits for his podcast.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-15 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I never read "Reason" garbage.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-15 11:04 AM | Reply

--I never read "Reason" garbage.

Of course not. You wouldn't want to read something that didn't confirm your beliefs. The horror!

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-15 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Last weekend Chicago and Baltimore combined for 56 shootings.

It gets ignored by the MSM.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 11:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#4 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Often because it's crime on crime. Doesn't quite fit the gun control narrative about people buying weapons for the sole purpose of killing a bunch of people.

Crime on crime shootings are just tools of the trade and while Innocents do get harmed but it's generally criminal adjacent (family/friends of criminals).

Doesn't get as much sympathy as someone shooting up a mall, school, or church. Which means it doesn't get much interest, which means airtime for less ad revenue.

#5 | Posted by Lohocla at 2019-08-15 11:19 AM | Reply

@#4 ... It gets ignored by the MSM. ...

It's a shame that we have become numb to the "routine" gun violence.

We are also appear to be becoming numb to the mass shooting gun violence.

I wonder at what point will mass shootings no longer be news, as you note has happened for routine gun violence.

Look at me, calling gun violence "routine."

Sad.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-15 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Thanks, Baltimore!

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-15 11:30 AM | Reply

Lamp,

It is sad, but keep in mind that we are a far cry from where things were during the '80's and early '90's in terms of crime and violence.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 11:30 AM | Reply

@#8 ... we are a far cry from where things were during the '80's and early '90's in terms of crime and violence. ...

That was when the seeds of the numbness were sown.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-15 11:48 AM | Reply

It is sad, but keep in mind that we are a far cry from where things were during the '80's and early '90's in terms of crime and violence.
#8 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Agree to disagree... There's something disturbing about the type of "ideological" mass shootings that are happening.

#5 | POSTED BY LOHOCLA

This is a true post, my concern with it is crime begets more crime. I believe in the broken window policing.

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-15 12:10 PM | Reply

I saw Reason tweet this yesterday. Shortly after, six police officers were shot in Philly.

If an epidemic of mass shootings isn't an epidemic of mass shootings, what the heck is? It happens so often that some people think it's normal. Just a part of life in the good ol' USA.

#11 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-08-15 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well you could listen to the podcast and find out.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-08-15 02:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5

Is that the new Narrative? Crime on crime?

I guess that makes it easier for the Left to ignore than calling it Brown on Brown or Black on Black.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-15 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

--Is that the new Narrative? Crime on crime?

That's a new one. The Left is endlessly creative in coming up with euphemisms that disguise ugly realities that don't advance "the revolution."

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-15 03:03 PM | Reply

Or we're not simplistic morons who go "duhhhh gunsss" just to float a false equivalence to make it look like we care.

#15 | Posted by Jpw at 2019-08-15 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Or white on white?

Why focus on Chicago anyway St Louis IL has 5x the murder rate of Chicago and is more than double Baltimore.

Isn't politically convenient enough for you I guess.

How about Chester PA, or St. Lois, MO. Or Gary,IN..or whilmington DE

None of those states get covered much, if at all, because no one gives a damn unless they can monetize it.

As for being left, personally I'm more good idea/ retarded idea. Neither party is doing well on the good idea side.

Either way we're screwed.

#16 | Posted by Lohocla at 2019-08-15 09:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry for the typos, using my phone and I have sausage fingers and my eyesight is poor.

#17 | Posted by Lohocla at 2019-08-15 09:50 PM | Reply

Because it has not happened to you.

#18 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-08-15 10:12 PM | Reply

#16

I never said a word about Chicago, as a young Prosecutor I dealt with gangs in LA, Black, Brown and White (mostly Armenian) so I know that it is endemic and brutal to those communities. All the cities that you mention have serious gang issues, but your "crime on crime" Narrative was a new one for me.

One of the women that I started out with in the LA DA's office is now a fairly senior AUSA in NorCal and it infuriates her, on a daily basis, that so much attention is brought to Neo-nazi shootings but the MSM doesn't give a shht about gang violence, which is 300x worse. She sees that as the most overtly racist omission by the Media, and no one calls them out for it.

I happen to agree with her.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-15 10:33 PM | Reply

#15

*holds up mirror to the simplistic moron*

I expect DRtarded posts like that from AbortedMoron or CocoChief, but you are smarter than both of them combined.

Act like it.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-15 10:34 PM | Reply

so much attention is brought to Neo-nazi shootings but the MSM doesn't give a shht about gang violence, which is 300x worse. She sees that as the most overtly racist omission by the Media, and no one calls them out for it.....

#19 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Bears repeating. The major-city shootings that occur on a daily basis get swept under a big rug. It's disgusting.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-15 10:40 PM | Reply

19 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Apologies for assigning a position you say you don't hold.

Crime on crime is what it is, it's not left or right, it's just my take on it. Criminals killing criminals isn't newsworthy on a national scale, especially in politics, which is what MSM focuses on. Chicago and Baltimore being the current political focus.

Its a billion dollar industry that only cares about perception, to hell with reality.

#22 | Posted by Lohocla at 2019-08-16 12:00 AM | Reply

holds up mirror to the simplistic moron*

I expect DRtarded posts like that from AbortedMoron or CocoChief, but you are smarter than both of them combined.

Act like it.

#20 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

LOL apparently my post stung a little bit.

Start with dropping the nonsense about it being "ignored" and you'll be making progress.

And yes, to your average person gang land shootings are much less of an issue than a public space or school being ---- up by a stranger. Do you need an explanation as to why?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-16 12:01 AM | Reply

#23 We already know why.

Because democratic party leaders only care about getting reelected.

They don't care about black ---------ers killing each other..

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 12:06 AM | Reply

That was a reach. Even for you.

Be sure to stretch before bed.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-16 12:10 AM | Reply

40 years of inner-city history hasn't convinced you?

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-16 12:16 AM | Reply

How about Chester PA, or St. Lois, MO. Or Gary,IN..or whilmington DE
None of those states get covered much, if at all, because no one gives a damn unless they can monetize it.
#16 | Posted by Lohocla at 2019-08-15 09:48 PM

None of those are states. They're all cities. They get covered ALL of the time, generally with statements like 'Why are Democrat run cities always such crime-ridden ****holes?'

Criminals killing criminals isn't newsworthy on a national scale, especially in politics, which is what MSM focuses on. - #22 | Posted by Lohocla at 2019-08-16 12:00 AM
That is simply not true. Those criminals killing criminals are certainly touted every time 'gun death' statistics are parroted. Intentionally avoiding the subject when it doesn't promote your preferred narrative and highlighting the same subject when it does promote the narrative is dishonest and hypocritical.

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-16 07:35 AM | Reply

I expect DRtarded posts like that from AbortedMoron or CocoChief, but you are smarter than both of them combined.

Act like it.

#20 | POSTED BY comrade FakeLawyer

Uh-Oh FakeLawyer got his widdle fee fee's hurt.
I've got a new shipment of alt-right (R)tarded crying towels in.

You need one Snowflake? They are extra absorbent for extra salty traitorous tears.

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-17 04:57 AM | Reply

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