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Saturday, August 17, 2019

Republicans and independents are losing faith in the economy at the steepest rates of Donald Trump's presidency, signaling more trouble for his efforts to make economic growth a centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

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*shark week theme music*

Let the end of the Trump Presidency begin.

One of my suppliers just increased their pricing by 40% due to the trade war. My business suffers, my partners suffer, and my workers suffer. Higher cost = less work. China isn't paying for the trade war. I, and others like me, am. It's the economy, stupid.

#1 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-08-16 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait, what?

This isn't what the DR "economic majors" have been coping and pasting from the National Review!

And they know everything, everyday, all the time

I know this because they are right here on the DR saying so 24/7, as if it's the only thing they have to do

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-08-16 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember when they were saying "that great Bush economy?"

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-16 05:59 PM | Reply

Trump, banking on strong economy to win reelection, frets over a possible downturn
www.washingtonpost.com

...Mounting signs of global economic distress this week have alarmed President Trump, who is worried that a downturn could imperil his reelection, even as administration officials acknowledge that they have not planned for a possible recession. ...


No worries, he'll just blame any recession that might occur on someone else. It's not his fault. Nothing ever is.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-16 06:01 PM | Reply

Hummm..This is the one thread I can't comment on. I devote my life to this study.

#5 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-16 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I devote my life to this study. #5 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

:C
How's life going these days?

#6 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-08-16 08:04 PM | Reply

#6, Thanks for asking. Doing good. Doing #5. A lot. You? Still financializing on the Gulf?

#7 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-16 08:07 PM | Reply

Doing good. Doing #5. A lot. Still financializing on the Gulf? #7 | POSTED BY BOCAINK

Great to hear man! I made a life and career change for healthier and more productive pastures in the cyber security field and moved to the DMV area. Big life changes in the last 2 years and loving it. If I remember tomorrow when I get to my PC, I'll send you an email from my Retort account, think I still have your addy from awhile ago.

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-08-16 08:14 PM | Reply

I used to live in Herndon for a little less than a year. I liked the area but I missed Florida. I made the most money in my life there, but traffic was nuts and I drove all the time.

#9 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-08-17 05:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"annual deficits soar back toward $1-trillion, its boost for economic growth has almost entirely dissipated"

No one could have predicted that... well, except for every progressive here.

Sucks to be a Trump lemming, eh?

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2019-08-17 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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What does it mean to lose confidence in the economy? Is there something I should be doing, or should I just panic?

#11 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2019-08-17 08:50 PM | Reply

What does it mean to lose confidence in the economy? Is there something I should be doing, or should I just panic?
#11 | POSTED BY CHARLIECHARLES

Stop reading and listening to fake news sources.

#12 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-17 09:03 PM | Reply

--or should I just panic?

Panic. Works for the DR Left. There are endless "existential threats" to lose sleep over.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-17 09:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now I what's coming.

After failing to tie Trump to Russian meddling. Then after trying to tie Trump to Epstein.

Now the left is going all out to convince voters to lose confidence in Trump.

Another failed strategy.

#14 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-17 09:15 PM | Reply

The yield curve doesn't look good.
The global property market seems very inflated in big centers.

The economy has had a 10 year bull run.

Add in trade wars and massive deficits with no infrastructure spending and things don't look great to me.

I think the central banks made a big mistake in propping up economies with super low interest rates. This caused a massive asset bubble and diverted capital from productive investment to rent seeking.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-17 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Another obvious LEFT/MSM tactic...

#16 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-17 09:33 PM | Reply

"Fake news!"

The rally cry of the Know-Nothings.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2019-08-17 09:45 PM | Reply

Don't panic. Simply count the number of DR troll comments and that you know fear as itself.

#18 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-08-17 09:59 PM | Reply

...well, except for every progressive here.
#10 | POSTED BY CORKY

So then, not you, Sellout. How's your pet war casualty, Libya, doing?

Still experiencing a few "growing pains" in their fledgling democracy?

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-17 10:01 PM | Reply

"Fake news!"
The rally cry of the Know-Nothings.
#17 | POSTED BY CORKY

I should have said leftist news.

#20 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-17 10:04 PM | Reply

"After failing to tie Trump to Russian meddling. Then after trying to tie Trump to Epstein.
Now the left is going all out to convince voters to lose confidence in Trump."

I would have to say Trump is going all out to convince voters to lose confidence in Trump. Ask our soy bean farmers. Ask him why he delayed his increase in tariffs. Tell you the truth, Trump is losing confidence in Trump.

How's that deficit going under Trump?

#21 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-18 08:02 AM | Reply

I would have to say Trump is going all out to convince voters to lose confidence in Trump. Ask our soy bean farmers. Ask him why he delayed his increase in tariffs. Tell you the truth, Trump is losing confidence in Trump.

As I recall, Trump promised a bailout. I think he'll keep that promise in this election season.

How's that deficit going under Trump?

It would have been no different under a Clinton presidency. It's what makes our Ponzi economy appear to be prospering.

#22 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 09:44 AM | Reply

"It would have been no different under a Clinton presidency. It's what makes our Ponzi economy appear to be prospering."

You don't even believe that nonsense. Hillary would not have supported tax cuts for the 1% which added 2 trillion to our debt. She would have supported raising tax cuts as her husband did which have now been evaluated and experts have concluded that, if they were allowed to stay in place, we would have already greatly diminished our national debt. You can lie Ray but you can also be called out on your lies.

"Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not."

www.factcheck.org

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-18 09:52 AM | Reply

You can lie Ray but you can also be called out on your lie.

Ever hear of differences of opinion? As much as I believe your leftwing political beliefs are out in Lalaland, I'm sure you are sincere.

The old Ray would have argued with you point for point. The new Ray knows it's waste of time and energy.

#24 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Ever hear of differences of opinion? As much as I believe your leftwing political beliefs are out in Lalaland, I'm sure you are sincere.

That's Danni for you. Everyone who disagrees with her is a "liar." Most of the DR Left are like that since Nov.9th, 2016: fanatics and True Believers who can't acknowledge honest differences of opinion. You're either a liar, or a Russian, or a paid poster, etc., if you disagree with them. The level of discourse here is extremely low grade.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-18 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If it weren't for your name, I wouldn't believe you are the same Nullifidian I used to know.
As much as we disagreed in the past, I knew you had a brain.

#26 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Ever hear of differences of opinion?"

Differences of opinion are one thing; making a moronic claim that things would be the same under HRC is another. If you weren't purposely lying, you're totally clueless.

Then again, I'm talking to Ray NoVax 1400, so....

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-18 10:58 AM | Reply

#26 Nailed it. Nulli should donate whatever's left inside his head to science so we can gain insight into dementia.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-18 11:23 AM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY JOE

The deep thoughts of Angry Joe. That's what JPW calls "high quality content."

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-18 11:28 AM | Reply

Tell me the last tme you posted something deep, you senile old coot. You haven't discussed one issue beyond bumper sticker level since i came back.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-18 11:45 AM | Reply

Then again, I'm talking to Ray NoVax 1400, so....
#27 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You and Danni would make a nice couple.

Differences of opinion are one thing; making a moronic claim that things would be the same under HRC is another. If you weren't purposely lying, you're totally clueless.

Probably worse under HRC.

#31 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 12:43 PM | Reply

"The level of discourse here is extremely low grade.
#25 | POSTED BYNULLIFIDIAN"

Read your post history.

It's almost entirely one-liner drive-bys on liberals.

Are there multiple Nullifidians posting to your account who don't know what the other Nullifidians are posting?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-18 01:40 PM | Reply

#26 Nailed it. Nulli should donate whatever's left inside his head to science so we can gain insight into dementia.
#28 | POSTED BY JOE

You got me again, Joe. Should have said "have."

#33 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 02:41 PM | Reply

Damn, Ray. I thought it was weird to agree with you on something. Learn to write!

#34 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-18 03:12 PM | Reply

Ray and Nulli can have their own opinions but they don't get to have their own facts. FactCheck.org is a good source to check out facts. It's not liberal or conservative, it's just facts.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-18 03:43 PM | Reply

"You and Danni would make a nice couple."

Both of us lived through Ray 1400 telling us how he knew, while everyone else was a chump.

Since then, gold has lost value while paying no dividends. Meanwhile, the S&P 500 has risen 143%. So Danni & I probably see you from the same vantage point.

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-18 03:47 PM | Reply

#35 I prefer Danni Facts. priceless.

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-18 03:48 PM | Reply

Both of us lived through Ray 1400 telling us how he knew, while everyone else was a chump.

Every time you tell this whopper, it gets bigger.

So Danni & I probably see you from the same vantage point.

I should hope so.

#38 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 04:01 PM | Reply

"Every time you tell this whopper, it gets bigger."

FFS, Ray, I lived through it. I even thought you made sense, for a short while. And as anyone who was around back then can attest, you predicted Dow 1400, and you excoriated anyone who pointed out opposing concepts as woefully ignorant.

But I will say this: every time I tell it, you get more and more embarrassed. Probably because your gold has paid no dividends while losing value, during an 8yr period when the S&P more than doubled.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-18 04:12 PM | Reply

you predicted Dow 1400, and you excoriated anyone who pointed out opposing concepts as woefully ignorant.

That's the way you want to remember it. I'm never that sure about my predictions. A drop as low as 1400 could have happened if it wasn't for the bank bailouts.

But I will say this: every time I tell it, you get more and more embarrassed.

Not at all. If I had to do it over, I would still do it.

Probably because your gold has paid no dividends while losing value, during an 8yr period when the S&P more than doubled.

I distinctly remember telling you I started in 2004. Prices have doubled in that time. I stay out of stocks because there are too many sharks in that business. I'll stay with what I know and trust.

#40 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 05:50 PM | Reply

" A drop as low as 1400 could have happened if it wasn't for the bank bailouts."

Is that why you oppose the bank bailouts, because it prevented the global economy from crashing?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-18 05:51 PM | Reply

"That's the way you want to remember it. I'm never that sure about my predictions. "

So I'm sure about it, and you're never that sure. Got it.

"If I had to do it over, I would still do it. "

Odd; if I were offered the choice between losing money or more than doubling it over the last 8 years, I'd have chosen the latter.

"I distinctly remember telling you I started in 2004. Prices have doubled in that time."'

But you were touting it eight years ago as the future. And since 2004, while gold has doubled (up 100%), the S&P is up 155%.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-18 06:07 PM | Reply

#42

No matter what I say, it comes out your mind as sausage.

#43 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 06:46 PM | Reply

Is that why you oppose the bank bailouts, because it prevented the global economy from crashing?
#41 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

No. To let the market correct itself would have been the best thing they could have done.

All the bank bailouts did was put the crash off into the future. By pumping money into the system, all they've done is assure that the next correction will be that much worse.

#44 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 07:01 PM | Reply

"To let the market correct itself would have been the best thing they could have done."

Best thing for whom, Ray?

Your inability to articulate an answer to this question is where your house of cards runs into some serious structural and foundation issues.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-18 07:02 PM | Reply

Best thing for whom, Ray?

The American economy as a whole.

Your inability to articulate an answer to this question is where your house of cards runs into some serious structural and foundation issues.
#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Like all other liberals, your ignorance of economics is close to absolute.

#46 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-18 07:31 PM | Reply

Remember when they were saying "that great Bush economy?"

#3 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-08-16 05:59 PM | FLAG:

Funny you have been saying this great economy was Obama's for the last 3 years.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 12:37 PM | Reply

"Remember when they were saying "that great Bush economy?"

#3 | POSTED BY DANNI "

I remember talking about the good stock market, low unemployment etc. as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Some lefties claimed it was because it's still Obama's economy. I predicted that as soon as the stock market bubble burst, it would suddenly become Trump's economy. LOL

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You don't even believe that nonsense. Hillary would not have supported tax cuts for the 1% which added 2 trillion to our debt. #23 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-08-18 09:52 AM | REPLY

This is total crap, revenues have been up since the cuts, unemployment is down which means firms are hiring. Here it is very simply for you Danni, there are two things that effect a deficit, income and spending, you only think the income side has any effect. One thing that I didn't like about Trump was his spending but I realize that unfortunately much of it was about politics, no shutdowns near elections and the Dems knew it so they got all there high priced pork projects in. If the tax cuts didn't happen revenues would not be more, and we won't believe it when you site some semi retired economist from tim buck two has says they would, and spending would still be way over budget which means deficit. So control spending.

#49 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 02:16 PM | Reply

#48 Of course, Obama created this great economy and Trump just f-ed it up. You know the economy's good when the Dems are saying it's bad.

#50 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 02:30 PM | Reply

The deep thoughts of Angry Joe. That's what JPW calls "high quality content."

#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Cool. When they section your brain I wonder if there will be a picture of me like tree stump Jesus.

www.dailyedge.ie

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-19 03:29 PM | Reply

I predicted that as soon as the stock market bubble burst, it would suddenly become Trump's economy. LOL

#48 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Name a single economic indicator who's trajectory deviated under Trump in a positive direction.

The last two years have been economic inertia and the only credit to be given is the GOP and Trump haven't screwed it up...yet.

But not that we're finally into territory where Trump economic policy has been acting for time we're getting market volatility, consumer confidence plateau, GDP growth in the range that righties claimed was because Obama was inept and trade warns having significant ripple effects.

So your prediction (tough call BTW, where'd you find the crystal ball?) is simplistic and garbage.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-19 03:37 PM | Reply

"I predicted that as soon as the stock market bubble burst, it would suddenly become Trump's economy. LOL

#48 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Name a single economic indicator who's trajectory deviated under Trump in a positive direction.

POSTED BY JPW "

Has nothing to do with my point. I'm not taking the bait, troll.

"So your prediction (tough call BTW, where'd you find the crystal ball?) is simplistic and garbage.

#52 | POSTED BY JPW "

More quality posting, I see.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 03:49 PM | Reply

Has nothing to do with my point. I'm not taking the bait, troll.

Because you don't have one other than your profound, for you at least, "prediction".

More quality posting, I see.

#53 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

LOL you weasel out of responding to my post then claim I lack quality in my posting.

All while calling me a troll.

Why are you here? You're clearly not interested in conversation nor are you this unaware so it's quite intentional.

So I ask again, why do you bother posting here?

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-19 04:34 PM | Reply

I predicted that as soon as the stock market bubble burst, it would suddenly become Trump's economy. LOL
#48 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Who were you predicting such visions to? Your local buddies? Cause you weren't doing it here on the DR.

Matter of fact, most of us on the DR have credited the economy to Trump since 2018. You know. Cause 2017 was still a reflection of Obama's policies. It wasn't until 2018 when Trump's economy kicked in.

We are now in Trump's economy.

And we will be dealing with Trump's economy until 2021 regardless of who wins the primaries and general election. Of course. If Trump wins, we'll have to deal with his policies until 2025.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-19 04:52 PM | Reply

"Who were you predicting such visions to? Your local buddies? Cause you weren't doing it here on the DR. "

Here on the DR as well as among other blogs. My buddies and I seldom talk politics.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 05:36 PM | Reply

"LOL you weasel out of responding to my post then claim I lack quality in my posting.

#54 | POSTED BY JPW "

Most people don't call failure to chase a moving goal post being a weasel. But if you want to because it makes you feel superior or better about yourself, go for it.

#57 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 05:40 PM | Reply

Most people don't call failure to chase a moving goal post being a weasel.

I'll remember that...

What I was trying to do was to show you why there was a period of time where it was still Obama's economy.

And where the demarcation was to Trump's economy.

Because of course a righty whiner would assume it was "when the bubble burst".

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-19 05:51 PM | Reply

There are sure a lot of Righties in here without high school diplomas telling me the Economists are fake news...

I wonder who I should believe?

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-19 05:54 PM | Reply

59

where have you posted on this thread? how is anybody telling you anything here?

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-19 05:56 PM | Reply

"There are sure a lot of Righties in here without high school diplomas telling me the Economists are fake news...

I wonder who I should believe?

#59 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT"

Well, obviously we can't believe you since you have no way of knowing who has a HS diploma and who doesn't.

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 05:59 PM | Reply

Here on the DR as well as among other blogs. My buddies and I seldom talk politics.

#56 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Under what name?

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-19 06:58 PM | Reply

goatman

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 07:01 PM | Reply

Goat,

The point JPW and I are making, trying to make, is, you weren't on the DR in 2016/2017. Not that I can remember.

Although. To be honest, I can't remember when you were banned by RCade. So, perhaps you were.

Either way. There have been numerous discussions about the economy in your absence. No one is claiming we're experiencing Obama's economy. His economy ended in 2017, Trump's began in 2018.

Also, Mustang already jumped the gun, on a different thread he started blaming the eventual recession on Democrats (possibly) winning the 2020 election.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-19 07:23 PM | Reply

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