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Monday, August 19, 2019

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders told a group of people Saturday that if elected president in 2020, he will "go to war" with white nationalism and racism. Sanders said he would use every tool at his disposal, including executive orders. Speaking to a crowd of mostly African Americans at the Young Leaders Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, Sanders described his family background as being Jewish and from Poland. "My father's whole family was wiped out by Hitler and his white nationalism," said Sanders, who is one of many Democratic presidential hopefuls in 2020. "Too many people have fought over the years, too many people have died against racism to let it resurface and flourish in America." Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

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Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

That won't go over well with the bloated------------'s supporters.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-08-18 02:53 PM | Reply

Go get'em Bernie! Don't dislocate a hip.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-18 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Democrats have simply gone off the rails ...

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-18 03:05 PM | Reply

Desperate Old White Guy isn't getting enough support from "people of color." Time to pander.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-18 03:11 PM | Reply

"people of color."

Used in a derogatory manner by a white nationalist.

Quell surprise.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2019-08-18 04:11 PM | Reply

Liar.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-18 04:19 PM | Reply

"Desperate Old White Guy isn't getting enough support from "people of color." Time to pander."

So that's what happened to Nullifidian!
It's nice to finally have an answer.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-18 04:41 PM | Reply

polls have shown Bernie is doing just fine among people of color

#8 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-18 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All white candidates:

How valid are your views on racial justice when you only get serious about it at elections?

Do you think we should we take you seriously?

#9 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-08-19 08:53 AM | Reply

"people of color."
Used in a derogatory manner by a white nationalist.
Quell surprise.

#5 | POSTED BY CORKY

The Squad refer to themselves as people of color.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-19 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Surprise suprise Republican fascist apologists think opposing racism and white nationalism is "off the rails"

If being on the rails means coddling racists and white supremacist snowflakes then I am proudly off the rails.

My Aunt fought the Nazis from within France. She narrowly avoided death several times. When I was a kid my heroes fought for truth, justice, and the American way. Punching Nazis was an expression of patriotism.

#11 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-19 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure Bernie, you are an old white guy you comes from the the state with the highest population of white people.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 11:28 AM | Reply

My Aunt fought the Nazis from within France. She narrowly avoided death several times. When I was a kid my heroes fought for truth, justice, and the American way. Punching Nazis was an expression of patriotism.
#11 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2019-08-19 11:27 AM | FLAG:

Well my Aunt did too and she remembers your Aunt being a Nazi sympathiser so stop with the faux outrage.

#13 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 11:31 AM | Reply

Go get'em Bernie! Don't dislocate a hip.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You must feel so conflicted - the politician you PRETEND to support declaring war on the politician you spend every day actually supporting.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure Bernie, you are an old white guy you comes from the the state with the highest population of white people.

#12 | Posted by fishpaw

I'm gonna blow your mind: Did you know white people can oppose white supremacy?

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 11:37 AM | Reply

You could too if you chose to.

Or just keep on making white people look like stupid hateful monsters.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 11:37 AM | Reply

Democrats have simply gone off the rails ...

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris

"Opposing white supremacy is CRAZY!"
-Trumps cult

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrat talking points have been distributed. They read: "Use the phrases "white supremacy" and "white nationalism" every time you open your mouth from now until November, 2020."

After that, who cares?

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Squad refer to themselves as people of color."

I think that CarKey as trying imply that putting phrases in "quotation marks" makes them derogatory.

Of course, the thing almost everyone in this time period misses is that the phrase people of color will soon be considered just as offensive/politically incorrect as the semanitcally identical "colored people".

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-19 11:41 AM | Reply

"Did you know white people can oppose white supremacy?"

Do they have to check their privilege first? Or does failing to do that invalidate it?

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-19 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What Bernie said was "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives."

Does anyone think this is a bad thing? If so, why?

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-19 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe nailed it.

Even Trump supporters are SUPPOSED to be, and say, that they are against white supremacists and racism.

But, as Matt Taibbi points out in his most recent colummn, we're not bright enough as a country to know or understand that ... drudge.com

#22 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-19 11:58 AM | Reply

--Does anyone think this is a bad thing? If so, why?

Yes. It will inevitably lead to a divisive, racist, McCarthyite campaign against white people, who will be guilty until proven innocent of "white supremacy" based solely on their skin color.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 12:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Ffs.

I know nationalists. People who want us to focus on putting our nation, our economy, our employment, and our soldier's lives ahead of where globalists would put them. Simply put those that disagree with neoliberal policies that send jobs overseas and throw our soldier's lives away to support American imperialism.

I know nationalists who are black, white, Latino, and Asian. However I've never met a "white nationalist" in my life that was anymore than the village idiot in Hicksville USA. The embarrassing uncle everyone wishes would shut up and no one takes seriously.

Sanders was my pick in 2016. Now I can't tell whether he's declaring war on .01% of our redneck population, or has joined the political suicide crew that thinks things like being punctual are white supremacy and are going to make every person to the right of woke Twitter (basically - everyone still sane and tired of irrationally polarized politics) vote Trump.

#24 | Posted by Zeropointnrg at 2019-08-19 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes. It will inevitably lead to a divisive, racist, McCarthyite campaign against white people, who will be guilty until proven innocent of "white supremacy" based solely on their skin color.

#23 | POSTED BYNULLIFIDIAN

No. It was fighting against Jim Crow in 1950s and 60s that drove the racists under the rocks where they belong -- and white people and people of color both benefited.

Now the racist snakes are crawling back out again, and white people need to speak up.

#25 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-19 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

--the political suicide crew that thinks things like being punctual are white supremacy

A lot of things are, like individualism, perfectionism, objectivity and "truth"

Here's a handy guide.

static.pjmedia.com

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 12:17 PM | Reply

Calif. college students: Objective truth a 'white supremacist' idea

www.washingtontimes.com

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 12:20 PM | Reply

This is how Bernie describes white nationalism:

Sanders described his family background as being Jewish and from Poland. "My father's whole family was wiped out by Hitler and his white nationalism," said Sanders, who is one of many Democratic presidential hopefuls in 2020. "Too many people have fought over the years, too many people have died against racism to let it resurface and flourish in America." Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

Why would anyone who is not a white supremacist object to his declaration of war against them?

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Well my Aunt did too and she remembers your Aunt being a Nazi sympathiser so stop with the faux outrage.

#13 | POSTED BY Comrade FishyP***y
I'm sure your Sister/Aunt is disappointed you turned out to be such a Nazi snowflake.

#29 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-19 12:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#28 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Asked and answered. See above.

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 12:55 PM | Reply

#30 Nope.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 12:59 PM | Reply

This is what Bernie is talking about:

Video: California High-School Students Sang Nazi Song and Gave Hitler Salute

Athletes performed an homage to the Third Reich before an awards ceremony. Their school won't say how they were disciplined.
www.thedailybeast.com

And potentially much worse:

Ohio white nationalist arrested for threatening Jewish community center
www.cbsnews.com

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why would anyone who is not a white supremacist object to his declaration of war against them?
#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 12:44 PM | Reply

No one objects to a war against racists and white supremacists in and of itself. What is objectionable is fanning the flames of division and racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent as racist, every problem of class as being racially motivated, etc.

When this crop of leftists is claiming everyone against essentially open borders is racist for instance, they're alienating and driving to the right anyone who might actually have nuance. Borders are a national security issue. Porous ones beg for another 9/11. It doesn't matter which borders either - that group came in through Canada iirc. Borders are a healthcare issue. We don't even have Medicare for all, we're not yet equipped to pay for our own citizens, and yet Dem candidates would offer illegals free healthcare before their own constituents. BS! Let's take care of our own first. But sure - call anyone who takes those views a racist, and see how fast you make them an actual racist. It's basic psychology.

The same problem occurs with class issues. Affirmative Action is a good concept, but do you think poor white kids growing up seeing education benefits get extended to others based on the color of their skin know or care about historic economic disparities? They don't, and being left behind breeds resentment. Some of our racists are our own creation. So we'll just attack them on top of abandoning them? Way to breed extremism.

The problem isn't that racism is bad. The problem is using race as a wedge issue, drumming up resentment and division that weren't there, and pushing extremism rather than unifying people and helping all who need it equally. The problem is tribalism and the left taking stances like deplatforming rather than listening and seeking to deescalate and unify.

#33 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-19 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"When this crop of leftists is claiming everyone against essentially open borders is racist for instance,"

Show me where Bernie has done that.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The problem isn't that racism is bad."

Yeah, the problem is it is.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The problem is using race as a wedge issue, drumming up resentment and division that weren't there, and pushing extremism rather than unifying people and helping all who need it equally. The problem is tribalism and the left taking stances like deplatforming rather than listening and seeking to deescalate and unify.

People marching with torches and chanting "Jews will mot replace us" or going so far as to plan to shoot up a synagogue are full of tribalism, real resentment and rage that no amount of "deplatforming" and "listening" is going to "deescalate and unify".

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The same problem occurs with class issues. Affirmative Action is a good concept, but do you think poor white kids growing up seeing education benefits get extended to others based on the color of their skin know or care about historic economic disparities? They don't, and being left behind breeds resentment. Some of our racists are our own creation. So we'll just attack them on top of abandoning them? Way to breed extremism."

Bernie is for free college for everyone.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"We don't even have Medicare for all, we're not yet equipped to pay for our own citizens, and yet Dem candidates would offer illegals free healthcare before their own constituents. BS! Let's take care of our own first. But sure - call anyone who takes those views a racist, and see how fast you make them an actual racist. It's basic psychology."

Bernie is for M4A for illegals, but I don't see him calling people who oppose that part of his plan "racists".

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Democrat talking points have been distributed. They read: "Use the phrases "white supremacy" and "white nationalism" every time you open your mouth from now until November, 2020."

After that, who cares?

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

Reality doesn't require talking points.

Do you care about the white nationalist uprising or not? You can say it you dont oppose it because you're a white supremacist or you just want to see decent people get upset because your life sucks, but you cant say its not happening.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 01:37 PM | Reply

"No one objects to a war against racists and white supremacists in and of itself. What is objectionable is fanning the flames of division and racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent as racist, every problem of class as being racially motivated, etc."

Also, one could see Bernie proposing M4A for illegals as a way of "de-escalating the flames of division." One could also see what you are doing with regard to Bernie's statement as increasing "racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent" as playing the race card against him.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:37 PM | Reply

No one objects to a war against racists and white supremacists in and of itself.
#33 | Posted by zeropointnrg

Plenty of trump's cult objects to that.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"cult"

*drink*

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-19 01:41 PM | Reply

"No one objects to a war against racists and white supremacists in and of itself."

Au contraire.

"What is objectionable is fanning the flames of division and racial tension by broad-brushing every political opponent as racist, every problem of class as being racially motivated, etc."

Bernie has never done this, and you are doing him a disservice to suggest otherwise:

Sanders described his family background as being Jewish and from Poland. "My father's whole family was wiped out by Hitler and his white nationalism," said Sanders, who is one of many Democratic presidential hopefuls in 2020. "Too many people have fought over the years, too many people have died against racism to let it resurface and flourish in America." Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Bernie has never done this

Your team does it every single day.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It will inevitably lead to a divisive, racist, McCarthyite campaign against white people, who will be guilty until proven innocent of "white supremacy" based solely on their skin color.

You have no way of knowing that. Perhaps he's just talking about dedicating more federal resources toward fighting domestic racist terrorism and making it more difficult for hate groups to flourish. If your only "argument" is a slippery slope fallacy then you may as well not respond to the question at all.

Does anyone else think "fighting white nationalism and racism" is a bad thing? If so, why?

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-19 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"cult"
*drink*

*drink*

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-19 02:03 PM | Reply

All good rebuttals Gal, but against what - a group of idiot high school students being edgy as idiot high schoolers do or 20 inbred morons somewhere chanting about Jews?

Perhaps I'm not being clear, but my problem isn't with calling out those things for what they are - my problem is with equating every centrist or right winger as being the same as these fringe whack jobs for something like disagreeing with an essentially open borders policy. My problem is fanning the flames of division and increasing racial tensions among ordinary people everywhere over a fraction of a fraction of a percent of our population who aren't acceptable anywhere anymore and know it. Their increasingly vocal opposition is nothing but the swan song of a dying view. Maybe if we didn't have idiots saying every Trump supporter is a racist and lumping them in with those groups, I wouldn't find Bernie's statements so problematic - but we have far more of those vocal idiots than actual white supremacists.

And nuance again. Not really a Trump supporter, but certainly was against Hillary - and in part because I thought his boorish borderline racism (if the man sees any color other than green) was far less damaging to the world than Hillary's racism which no one would even call out - the kind of racism that doesn't say mean classless things, but rather thinks it's okay to destabilize whole nations full of non-white people resulting in tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths. And so far, I'd even say I was right. Trump still hasn't got the kind of blood on his hands that Bush, Obama, and Hillary as a Senator and SoS have. Maybe democrats should look to their own hypocrisy before declaring war on the millions of racists apparently hiding under their bed next to Russia.

#47 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"cult"

*drink*

#42 | Posted by JeffJ

Even the mooch is calling it a cult now.

Dont cry that the accurate terminology makes your party look bad.

Quit the cult if you dont like having it pointed out that you're in a cult.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:12 PM | Reply

Trump still hasn't got the kind of blood on his hands that Bush, Obama, and Hillary as a Senator and SoS have. Maybe democrats should look to their own hypocrisy before declaring war on the millions of racists apparently hiding under their bed next to Russia.

#47 | Posted by zeropointnrg

Russia's not under the bed, it's in the white house.

And trump didn't start a foreign war, he started a civil war. That's worse.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:13 PM | Reply

It's the overuse of the term that I'm needling.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-19 02:13 PM | Reply

"Even the mooch is calling it a cult now.

#48 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

TDS is quite cultish.

#51 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 02:15 PM | Reply

"I know nationalists who are black, white, Latino, and Asian. However I've never met a "white nationalist" in my life that was anymore than the village idiot in Hicksville USA. The embarrassing uncle everyone wishes would shut up and no one takes seriously."

Did that embarrassing uncle happen to hold a position of power, say in the police force or local government? Did that embarrassing uncle happen to be a bank manager, rental property owner, coach or teacher? You get my drift.

Speaking of nuance. Bernie isn't against nationalism per se; he's against white nationalism aka white supremacy and racism:

Then he made his declaration. "We will go to war against white nationalism and racism in every aspect of our lives," he said.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 02:18 PM | Reply

#47 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

If you don't agree with democrats you're evil. If you support legal immigration you're a racist nazi.

If you didn't vote for Hillary you're a misogynist gay-hating monster.

There's no talking with these idiots. They're either hysterical, or becoming hysterical.

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 02:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--Video: California High-School Students Sang Nazi Song and Gave Hitler Salute

Kids pissing off the adults. What else is new?

When I was in high school, we would regularly shout "sieg heil" and give the nazi salute to principals, teachers, cops, security guards or any other authority figures.

#54 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 02:27 PM | Reply

I can't tell whether he's ... joined the political suicide crew that thinks things like being punctual are white supremacy
#24 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

You might have been able to make your point better had you not included your racist slant to it.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-19 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Maybe if we didn't have idiots saying every Trump supporter is a racist and lumping them in with those groups,"

Idiots will be idiots, and they are on both sides of the aisle. Not every Democrat is a post-birth, abortion-loving baby killer, for example.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"When I was in high school, we would regularly shout "sieg heil" and give the nazi salute to principals, teachers, cops, security guards or any other authority figures."

Did a group of you get together and perform your Nazi salutes during an organized school ceremony? Or did you do it in a joking Hogan's Heroes kind of way?

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 02:37 PM | Reply

You could too if you chose to.
Or just keep on making white people look like stupid hateful monsters.

#16 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-08-19 11:37 AM | FLAG:

I can't. Even if went to a white supremist meeting (which is there such a thing?) and fire balled the whole thing, because I won't vote for any of the left wing loons running for POTUS you would still consider me a white nationalist racist. Here's a question for you speak, I think you are a white nationalist racist, I heard it from someone who knows you. Prove you are not. Go ahead and try.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 02:39 PM | Reply

You might have been able to make your point better had you not included your racist slant to it.
#55 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-19 02:29 PM | FLAG: FUNNY

Exhibit A.

Plus, even were punctuality a trait of white supremacy, I'm exempt. Haven't made it to a meeting on time in years lol.

#59 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-19 02:40 PM | Reply

TDS is quite cultish.

#51 | Posted by goatman

TDS is the syndrome where you choose to believe a con man over anyone else.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:40 PM | Reply

I can't. Even if went to a white supremist meeting (which is there such a thing?) and fire balled the whole thing, because I won't vote for any of the left wing loons running for POTUS you would still consider me a white nationalist racist. Here's a question for you speak, I think you are a white nationalist racist, I heard it from someone who knows you. Prove you are not. Go ahead and try.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw

Trump rallies ARE white supremacist meetings.

And whether you believe in white supremacy or not, if you support trump, you are supporting a white supremacist uprising.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's no talking with these idiots. They're either hysterical, or becoming hysterical.

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You're talking about the people who are following a con man and freaking out over the complexion of the nation changing too fast aren't you?

#62 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:43 PM | Reply

I can't tell whether he's ... joined the political suicide crew that thinks things like being punctual are white supremacy
#24 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

Yeah, cause that's what everyone on the left who objects to white supremacy has in mind. Especially Bernie who is descendent of Polish Jews, most of whom were murdered during the Holocaust.

PS If you can't tell about Bernie, maybe you have more in common with that embarrassing uncle than you would like to admit.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"TDS is the syndrome where you choose to believe a con man over anyone else.

#60 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

You're not paying attention if you think that.

www.cnn.com

#64 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 02:44 PM | Reply

"Trump rallies ARE white supremacist meetings.

#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Wrong again.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 02:46 PM | Reply

even were punctuality a trait of white supremacy,
#59 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

things like being punctual are white supremacy
#24 | POSTED BY ZEROPOINTNRG

Are you not sure what you meant when you posted that sentence?

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-19 02:47 PM | Reply

"Maybe if we didn't have idiots saying every Trump supporter is a racist and lumping them in with those groups"

Not every Trump supporter is racist.

Its just that every Trump supporter decided racism isn't a dealbreaker.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-19 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You're not paying attention if you think that.

www.cnn.com

#64 | Posted by goatman

Your cult leader says CNN is fake news so why are you reading it?

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:53 PM | Reply

"Trump rallies ARE white supremacist meetings.

#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Wrong again.

#65 | Posted by goatman

SEND THEM BACK SEND THEM BACK SEND THEM BACK

#69 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#66 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-19 02:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'm quite sure I was referencing this subject. (NOT my original source, first I googled.)

www.nationalreview.com

#70 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-19 02:55 PM | Reply

"Perhaps I'm not being clear, but my problem isn't with calling out those things for what they are - my problem is with equating every centrist or right winger as being the same as these fringe whack jobs for something like disagreeing with an essentially open borders policy. . . .Maybe if we didn't have idiots saying every Trump supporter is a racist and lumping them in with those groups, I wouldn't find Bernie's statements so problematic - but we have far more of those vocal idiots than actual white supremacists."

Not every centrist Dem or left winger is for open borders, and yet we have idiots on here saying every Democrat/liberal/progressive is for them.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 02:56 PM | Reply

--CNN is fake news

The Fredo News Network *is* fake news. Weak and dumb, like everyone says.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 02:57 PM | Reply

#71 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-08-19 02:56 PM | FLAG:

Just practically every Democrat candidate.

#73 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2019-08-19 02:58 PM | Reply

The Fredo News Network *is* fake news. Weak and dumb, like everyone says.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian

The world's most famous liar says CNN is fake news. Just like he told you he never paid stormy daniels and the tax cuts for the rich wouldn't help him personally. Yet you keep buying his lies like a chump.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 03:07 PM | Reply

I was referencing this subject.

Study is bunk.

Being on time or late has nothing to do with what ethnicity you are. It has to do with how individual people were raised.

I personally know people of different races (yes, even white people) who are always late to everything. And the flip side of that coin is, I know people who are usually on time, if not early, to their appointments and meetings.

I know this one girl, half Japanese half Mexican, who shows up to everything she's attending 10 minutes early to make sure she never show up late to anything.

So, if I. In my personal life have evidence that discredits the "study", then why did the author of the "study", go on to produce it?

Perhaps in order to trigger people, like you.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-19 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GOATMAN

Did you get that nickname because your favorite thing is butting heads?

#76 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-19 03:09 PM | Reply

#76 -- Partially, but it originally came about when I tol the story to some shipmates about the Goatman who stalked the rural area near where I grew up in Plano. Then of course the fact I pissed in my own beard helped as well

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 03:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then of course the fact I pissed in my own beard helped as well

#77 | Posted by goatman

LOL! You must have had a lot of beer to get the kind of velocity to manage that!

#78 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-19 03:20 PM | Reply

#78 That and a long beard.

#79 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 03:21 PM | Reply

It's the overuse of the term that I'm needling.

#50 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-19 02:13 PM

If you are talking about White Nationalists and politicians that coddle them there is no such thing as overuse

#80 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-19 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So literally zero people can articulate a non-fallacious reason that Bernie's idea is a bad thing? I thought so.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-19 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And whether you believe in white supremacy or not, if you support trump, you are supporting a white supremacist uprising.

#61 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-08-19 02:41 PM | FLAG:

Can you actually come up with a thought that isn't on Rachell Maddow.

#82 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-19 04:09 PM | Reply

--white supremacist uprising.

lol. This is what's called creating a moral panic, and they usual end in violence before the fever breaks.

#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-19 04:14 PM | Reply

- white supremacist uprising

All they could muster is 300 to attend.

That's some uprising. #hysteria

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 04:46 PM | Reply

Great to see Bernie getting allot of luv in this thread ...

Go Bernie!

#85 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-19 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can you actually come up with a thought that isn't on Rachell Maddow.

#82 | Posted by fishpaw

How do you know what's on rachel maddow?

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 05:24 PM | Reply

lol. This is what's called creating a moral panic, and they usual end in violence before the fever breaks.

#83 | Posted by nullifidian

That's your cult leader's entire election strategy. It already worked once on you rubes.

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

(And the violence has already begun.)

#88 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

be a pretty quick war vs white nationalist since there are not very many. as far a war on racism he won't go after his own party

#89 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-08-19 06:26 PM | Reply

be a pretty quick war vs white nationalist since there are not very many. as far a war on racism he won't go after his own party

#89 | Posted by Maverick

Trump doesn't think so. He's bragged about "having the police and the military and biker gangs" on the white nationalist side if it comes to that, meaning he's already doing the math about if he can win a bloody civil war.

thehill.com

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 06:31 PM | Reply

This is a tough one. We need a national discussion that is frank but is based on fact and also includes nuance " a quality that is easily cast aside in our zeal to make our point. I don't have all the answers but I don't particularly care for the word "war" in regard to fellow Americans.

There's clearly a rise in right-wing politics in this country, and in many other countries as well. Everything from the Tea Party to Trump's election to the white supremacists have been part of this rise.

Make no mistake, Nazis and other right-wing extremists pose considerable risk to our democratic ideals, not to mention the toll that extremist violence has taken on us already. The Republican Party has made grievous errors in judgment embracing Donald Trump and some of the hateful constituencies he has stoked.

There is simply no reasoning with people like Sean Hannity who say white supremacy is a hoax. Fox News in general has been beating the drums of xenophobia, scapegoating and otherism since they went on the air. Both Trump and Mitch McConnell are not only unwilling to compromise, they also seem unworthy of compromise. This presents us with a dilemma.

On days when I try to step back from whatever crisis happens to be in the news at the moment, I feel a need to sound a note of caution to my fellow liberals. ZeroPointNRG might not have said it the way I'd say it, but I still hear what he's saying.

We are justified in criticizing Republican leadership for their craven support of Trump, a vulgar, narcissistic thug who panders only to the rudest, most selfish impulses of his base, eagerly propping up the conspiracy narrative (Everything is fixed! Only I can save you!) while flipping the bird at the rest of us. There's never been a president so open about presiding over only part of America. But Trump is the symptom, rather than the cause, of the movement that's been underway for a long time.

Much of this movement is based on fear. Fear that the nation's predominant culture is disappearing--and that the culture that replaces it will be less safe, less merit-based, less respectful of authority and less oriented toward traditional values of home, family and hard work. Manufacturing jobs, coal jobs, and other manual labor have dried up, and it's hard to make it on a single income these days. And you can see for yourself how many of the blue-collar work -- in construction, landscaping, motels, convenience stores, etc. -- is going to immigrants. So they must be stealing our jobs, right? The same people who can't speak English and want to institute Sharia law, right?

Well, no, it's a lot more complicated than that--things like automation, a switch to cleaner renewable energy, the new generations' unwillingness to accept the status quo on longstanding (and sometimes unjust) ways of doing things, many Americans' own poor work habits/laziness/sense of entitlement, and decades' worth of low wage growth also come into play. But that mindset is out there, and as much as I'd like to punch a Nazi myself, liberals declaring "war" on white nationalists could well backfire and might instead make it harder to break the pattern. It might even lead to something that looks more like actual war.

There are people on both sides itching to fight. Let's not give them the ammunition.

More later...

#91 | Posted by cbob at 2019-08-19 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There's clearly a rise in right-wing politics in this country, and in many other countries as well.
#91 | Posted by cbob

Yup. These are essentially climate change wars, or at least a preview of what they'll look like - white people in the north freaking out when the brown people from the newly uninhabitable areas migrate north to survive the climate change caused by the white people in the north.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 07:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

#92 Now you're just making it up.

#93 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 07:31 PM | Reply

#92 Now you're just making it up.

#93 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Nope. You're just ignorant as usual.

www.nationalgeographic.com

#94 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#93 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Nope. You're just ignorant as usual.

#94 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

According to speaksoftly, you won this debate, Sheep:

"If you have no way to win a debate, just start attacking.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-08-19 07:13 PM "

LOL

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 08:06 PM | Reply

the newly uninhabitable areas migrate north to survive the climate change caused by the white people in the north.
#92 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

What keeps them from migrating south? Your hysteria?

#96 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 08:11 PM | Reply

Can you actually come up with a thought that isn't on Rachell Maddow.

#82 | POSTED BY Comrade Fishy P***y

That's a pretty hypocritical statement coming from a Tucker -----!

#97 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-19 08:11 PM | Reply

What keeps them from migrating south? Your hysteria?

#96 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Wow it only took you 2 posts to switch your position from "that doesnt exist" to "well how come they dont move where there are no resources?"

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 08:13 PM | Reply

www.nationalgeographic.com
#94 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

From your article:

"Most of this population shift will take place in Sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia, and Latin America"three "hot spots" that represent 55 percent of the developing world's populations.

This worst-case scenario is part of a ground-breaking study focused on the impacts of slow-onset climate, as opposed to more visibly dramatic events such as extreme storms and flooding. "

Of course, you believe its happening today. It's similar to the asinine argument Danni tried to pretend was happening, where a 2-3% decline in US birthrates meant we need to hire illegal aliens today at chicken plants.

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 08:18 PM | Reply

#98 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Actually, your statement was an exaggeration of the article, which itself is speculation.

#100 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 08:25 PM | Reply

Of course, you believe its happening today. It's similar to the asinine argument Danni tried to pretend was happening, where a 2-3% decline in US birthrates meant we need to hire illegal aliens today at chicken plants.

#99 | Posted by SheepleSchism

It is. How many times would you like to prove your ignorance on this thread today?

www.nationalgeographic.com

Climate Change Helped Spark Syrian War, Study Says
Research provides first deep look at how global warming may already influence armed conflict.

#101 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 08:27 PM | Reply

"How many times would you like to prove your ignorance on this thread today?

#101 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

It looks like she's handing you another victory (according to her own rules), Sheep.
-----------
If you have no way to win a debate, just start attacking.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-08-19 07:13 PM

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 08:30 PM | Reply

How many times would you like to prove your ignorance on this thread today?
#101 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

From your link:

"The authors acknowledge that many factors led to Syria's uprising, including corrupt leadership, inequality, massive population growth, and the government's inability to curb human suffering."

The drought was at least partially naturally occurring, he says, but it was the most severe on record, and its severity matched trends expected to occur with rising temperatures.

"That, however, has proved controversial, with other scientists arguing that there has been too little evidence to support the connection."

Still, he understands the limits of the research.

"All someone would have to say to criticize it is that all this would have occurred without the drought," Seager says. "That may well be true. This regime was tremendously unpopular to begin with."


It's speculative. But you see it through the lens of a True Believer, searching for scripture to support your theology.

For you, the article confirms your bias.

#103 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Much of this movement is based on fear. Fear that the nation's predominant culture is disappearing--and that the culture that replaces it will be less safe, less merit-based, less respectful of authority and less oriented toward traditional values of home, family and hard work."

The irony is Trump represents being less respectful of authority and less oriented toward traditional values of home, family and hard work. His domestic and foreign policies are making many Americans feel less safe and moves like blocking undocumented veterans from using earned services undercut a merit-based philosophy and policies.

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 08:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's speculative. But you see it through the lens of a True Believer, searching for scripture to support your theology.

For you, the article confirms your bias.

#103 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Sure nothing to learn from history is there. Plenty of societies thrive in peace when the food supply dries up. Everyone knows all the best societies get by just fine without farms or water. Nothing to worry about.

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yay, someone will finally ban the "N" word so prevalent in the hip hop music industry. About time!

#106 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-19 11:23 PM | Reply

Can you actually come up with a thought that isn't on Rachell Maddow.
#82 | Posted by fishpaw
How do you know what's on rachel maddow?

#86 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-08-19 05:24 PM | FLAG:

Because I watch it sometimes. Big difference between you and I, I watch what I want to watch, you watch what you are told to watch. You are incapable of thinking for yourself.

#107 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-20 09:34 AM | Reply

Go get'em Bernie! Don't dislocate a hip.

#2 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Aren't you supposedly a Bernie supporter?

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 09:39 AM | Reply

You are incapable of thinking for yourself.

#107 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Says the RNC mouthpiece lol.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 10:02 AM | Reply

"The black nationalist movement is a reaction to centuries of institutionalized white supremacy in America. Black nationalists believe the answer to white racism is to form separate institutions-or even a separate nation-for black people. Most forms of black nationalism are strongly anti-white anti-semetic.

Black nationalist groups will likely continue to expand, coordinate, recruit, and unify against what they perceive as their common enemies: Jews, white people, and the police."

Source: Splcenter

So, since my Polish/German Jewish ancestry were murdered too, I need Bernie to protect me from whites and blacks. Ain't many left in America to protect me.

Do you know there are white and black Jews? They're messed up.

#110 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-20 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Imagine if a huwhite Christian somehow became a politician in Isntreal and started agitating against a Jewish majority and in favor of more immigration of hostile foreigners.

#111 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-08-21 12:44 AM | Reply

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