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Monday, August 19, 2019

Despite repeated assurances from Trump administration officials that U.S. consumers are not bearing the brunt of its tariffs on China, a new JPMorgan analysis predicts that the average American family will shoulder $1,000 per year.

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So don't buy Chinese crap.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 07:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Don't worry the white supremacist Benedict Donald supporters will blame Obama or some other minority for it. It's what they do.

#2 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-19 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Despite repeated assurances lies from Trump administration officials that U.S. consumers are not bearing the brunt of its tariffs on China, a new JPMorgan analysis predicts that the average American family will shoulder $1,000 per year.

Trumpublicans love to be lied to.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-19 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm pretty I can't get away from Chinese goods 100%, but it isn't because I don't try.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-19 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#4 Same here

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 09:51 PM | Reply

Well FTS

What working American doesn't want to see Trump removed from office now?

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-19 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So don't buy Chinese crap.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yeah let me go buy one of those american made TVs. Can you point me toward the best one?

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-19 11:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Yeah let me go buy one of those american made TVs. Can you point me toward the best one?

#7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

I've heard Vizio and Phillips Magnavox are good. I haven't heard much about the others. Do your own research

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 11:34 PM | Reply

Yeah let me go buy one of those american made TVs. Can you point me toward the best one?
#7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You're the one who believes they need a TV. You have a consumer mentality.

Read a book. Take a walk outside. Do some gardening. None of which pays China a penny.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-19 11:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

I've had a Vizio TV for the last 8 years.

Just replaced my old one with a new one.

Would definitely recommend them.

And you can't entirely get away from Chinese sources consumer goods. You can do pretty well but you'll get something eventually.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 01:06 AM | Reply

I have a Vizio TV in my home office. It was assembled in Mexico.

OCU

#11 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-20 01:35 AM | Reply

I have a Vizio TV in my home office. It was assembled in Mexico.

OCU

#11 | Posted by OCUser

We have a couple Vizios. IMO, their picture quality is almost equal to Samsung, best picture money can buy.

I put one of each next to each other a couple years ago. Hard to tell the difference, really.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 02:01 AM | Reply

Worth it, if it adds US jobs.

#13 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-20 02:37 AM | Reply

Worth it, if it adds US jobs.

Posted by Greatamerican

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#14 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 03:32 AM | Reply

Depends...

#15 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-20 03:34 AM | Reply

Depends...

#15 | Posted by Greatamerican

You're lucky! They're made in Wisconsin, so no boost in price for you.

Unfortunately, most American families will be shelling out an additional $1000 a year thanks to the trade war Trump isn't winning.

He must be tired of winning. All that winning. Winning at the most Tweets.

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 03:44 AM | Reply

Worth it, if it adds US jobs.

Posted by Greatamerican

Keep people in Wisconsin employed. Pee more! :)

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 03:48 AM | Reply

No sympathy from me...I remember long before China stuff...and lots of American mfg jobs I had...

#18 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-20 03:48 AM | Reply

No sympathy from me...I remember long before China stuff...and lots of American mfg jobs I had...

#18 | Posted by Greatamerican

Me too. Sadly, greedy corporations - with tax credits enacted by the GOP - moved factories to China.

#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 04:13 AM | Reply

No sympathy from me...I remember long before China stuff...and lots of American mfg jobs I had...

#18 | Posted by Greatamerican

The other day I was thinking: "When WWII broke out, we were able to convert and ramp up war production in American factories to support the war effort. What would we do if we had to ramp up for something like that again, what with so little major manufacturing capacity left in the U.S.?"

I mean, how would we even be able to make 30 million uniforms? Textile factories in NC .. gone. And so on ...

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 04:17 AM | Reply

WW2 Was incredible...in 4 years, unimaginable production and victory. Ford built Willow Run in 1941 and produced one B-24 bomber per hour 24/7.

#21 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-20 04:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

WW2 Was incredible...in 4 years, unimaginable production and victory. Ford built Willow Run in 1941 and produced one B-24 bomber per hour 24/7.

#21 | Posted by Greatamerican

My dad told me about Willow Run. Yes, America rose to the occasion.

And you bring up a good point: We won WWII in 4 years .. a massive war fought in TWO theaters of war across the globe.

That's why Iraq dragging on for years is beyond comprehension. Especially when we were told it would be over ... well, to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, "I can't imagine we'll be there more than 6 months" (and their oil would pay for it).

IMO, America would be so much better off if every 18 year old in good physical condition had to serve 2 years in the military. To learn teamwork, to learn discipline, to learn there is something more to life than self gratification. And if EVERYONE'S sons were required such service, we'd fight far fewer wars.

BTW, I thought about you the other day. I remember our talking about old Mercedes diesels one night a few years ago ...

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 04:40 AM | Reply

"That's why Iraq dragging on for years is beyond comprehension. "

It's not incomprehensible if you consider that politicians fought the war and boo hooing liberals who screamed whenever an alleged milk factory got bombed or a mosque harboring munitions was targeted.

If the wars in the ME were fought like WW2, they'd be over in weeks

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 04:49 AM | Reply

" Sadly, greedy corporations - with tax credits enacted by the GOP - moved factories to China.

#19 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

You are being quite disingenuous if you think the corporate owned Democrats had no part in jobs going overseas.

Besides, tariffs help bring jobs back and you guys are weeping crocodile tears over that because y'all enjoy your cheap Chinese ----. Which is it? Do you want jobs and manufacturing to stay in China so you can continue getting your cheap Nikes and Apple products, or do you want jobs in America even though you may pay more? It can't be both. At least be consistent.

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 04:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

It's not incomprehensible if you consider that politicians fought the war and boo hooing liberals who screamed whenever an alleged milk factory got bombed or a mosque harboring munitions was targeted.

If the wars in the ME were fought like WW2, they'd be over in weeks

#23 | Posted by goatman

Oh, bullschitt! Bush & Co had 6 years to fight it just the way they wanted to. After promising us it would be over in weeks, "6 months tops" (sic).

Where the ---- do you get your information? Milk factories, mosques, liberals? WTF are you babbling about?

Later. Ain't worth my time talking to you about this. I know my facts. You're pulling yours out of your beard.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 04:58 AM | Reply

"Where the ---- do you get your information? Milk factories, mosques, liberals?

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

The news. I remember the outcry of mosques being targeted. I remember the wqailing and gnashing of teeth because a smart bomb went astray and killing an innocent woman,.

WW2 was not fought like that, I got that informatin from history books. I read a lot.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Ain't worth my time talking to you about this.

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Of course you aren't. Facts and history are not on your side and you can't stand it,

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:07 AM | Reply

"Where the ---- do you get your information? Milk factories, mosques, liberals?
POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

Milk factories:

www.voanews.com

Mosques:

en.wikipedia.org

liberals:

Didn't you know it is the liberals who are against war and conservatives are the war mongers? At least that's what y'all claim. No longer true, or do you have a very short memory?

Anyway, as I said, I read a lot and actually remember this stuff as it was happening, Perhaps you should pick up a history book or two since you don't remember as well as I do.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:16 AM | Reply

Of course you aren't. Facts and history are not on your side and you can't stand it,

#27 | Posted by goatman

---- that. Your game is ------- old.

I remember all of it. How we were lied into it, how ineptly it was conducted, how they disregarded sage advice from people they put in positions in Iraq to give them sage advice ... all of it.

Get a dog. I'm not going to play this game with you. In fact, you're going back on the plonk list. You're a waste of time around here. Not that spending any time here isn't a waste of time. But you, specifically, are a bigger waste of time than anyone.

Maybe someone else will play with you. All you do is throw sand in the other people's faces.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 05:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I remember all of it."

Then why did you ask , ""Where the ---- do you get your information? Milk factories, mosques, liberals? " LOL

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:25 AM | Reply

"I'm not going to play this game with you."

Trahslation: "You provided facts to points I disputed and I cannot rebut them".

Adios, friend.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:26 AM | Reply

#28 | Posted by goatman

Ya, I didn't think so. "Liberals up in arms over bombed milk factory" (sic) ... in 1991?!!

Geebus. Thought I'd check out your 'source.' It says nothing resembling what you asserted.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Liberals didn't wage or control the military in 1991 either.

Later. You're on my plonk list as of right now. Get a dog. Walk it frequently throughout the day and night instead of wasting your time here arguing with nonsense circle jerks and obfuscating and being a pain-in-the-ass troll. I say that in the kindest way possible. Really, dude. :)

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 05:27 AM | Reply

... the kindest way possible ... for you AND a dog who needs a home and someone to love it

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 05:28 AM | Reply

"Later. You're on my plonk list as of right now"

Again? How many times is this now? Somehow I survived all you other plonks. I'm sure I'll survive this one (and future ones) as well. Sorry you react so negatively to the facts I back up with citations -- something you don't do.

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:34 AM | Reply

" for you AND a dog who needs a home and someone to love it

#33 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Geez, how many dogs, planks, and laters do you have in that magic bag of tricks of yours? LOL

Anyway, I travel too much to own a dog.

Until next plonk, adios, amigo!

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:35 AM | Reply

""That's why Iraq dragging on for years is beyond comprehension. "

It's not incomprehensible if you consider that politicians fought the war and boo hooing liberals who screamed whenever an alleged milk factory got bombed or a mosque harboring munitions was targeted.

If the wars in the ME were fought like WW2, they'd be over in weeks
#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 04:49 AM"

It is astounding how much power you ascribe to screaming 'boo hooing liberals'! Especially since, until very recently, the GOP enjoyed the control of all three branches of government for two years. Even now, the GOP has only partially been hampered in the exercise of their power.

BTW, wasn't there involvement of the Middle East in both WW1 and WW2? Weren't those conflicts "fought like WW2"?
How'd that work out? As long as we seem to be given over to simplistic solutions to the political situation in the Middle East, I'll conveniently do likewise and minimize the millennia of decentralized/tribal governments having any bearing upon the present situation.

The problem, IMHO, is not so much the capability (or lack of capability) of various armies to inflict shock/awe as the inability to have an effective plan of what to do once the dust settles. Much of the intensity of today's woe's in the Middle East can be directly traced to the FUBAR that the British implemented after WW1:

www.dodlive.mil

As Frank Zappa correctly noted in 'Trouble Comin' Every Day':

" 'Cause the fire in the street
Ain't like the fire in the heart ..."

Until there's a solution to the 'fire in their hearts', no amount of munitions will effect more than a temporary halt to the hostilities.

#36 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-08-20 05:40 AM | Reply

""Liberals up in arms over bombed milk factory" (sic) ... in 1991?!!"

The article also mentioned the bombing of milk factory 2003 which was during the first Iraqi war, which is what we were talking about. It was in the headline and everything. How on earth did you not see that?

You did, obviously. It's just that you had no rebuttal to my link, so you lied by omission. Oh well. Mixing facts with certain liberals is like mixing baking soda and vinegar. Sorry you react so adversely to them, dude.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:40 AM | Reply

"BTW, wasn't there involvement of the Middle East in both WW1 and WW2? Weren't those conflicts "fought like WW2"?"

Yes. That sums up my point very well. If we fought the current wars as we did WW2, they'd be over. Thank you,.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:43 AM | Reply

" 'BTW, wasn't there involvement of the Middle East in both WW1 and WW2? Weren't those conflicts "fought like WW2"?'

Yes. That sums up my point very well. If we fought the current wars as we did WW2, they'd be over. Thank you,.
#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:43 AM"

So the conflicts are over?

Seems I'm not up on the latest news.

#39 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-08-20 05:46 AM | Reply

"So the conflicts are over?
Seems I'm not up on the latest news.

#39 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE "

WW2 is over. The current ones are not.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:48 AM | Reply

" 'So the conflicts are over?
Seems I'm not up on the latest news.

#39 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE'

WW2 is over. The current ones are not.
Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:48 AM"

Correct, but isn't the discussion about the wars in the ME?
They were fought like WW2 during WW1 and WW2, but those conflicts did not end with WW1 and WW2.
Some could reasonably argue that they became worse after WW1 and WW2.
Why weren't they 'over in weeks'? Even WW1 and WW2 wasn't 'over in weeks' in the ME.

#41 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-08-20 06:36 AM | Reply

"Correct, but isn't the discussion about the wars in the ME?"

Exactly.

"Why weren't they 'over in weeks'? Even WW1 and WW2 wasn't 'over in weeks' in the ME.

#41 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE "

It's speculation, of course, since politics tied the generals' hands, but it seems if a highly sophisticated fighting machine could win a global conflict in 4 years against other sophisticated fighting machines, it could win a regioanal conflict against a less sophisticated oponent in much less time. But again, the generals' hands are tied by politics. They weren't in WW2 Can you imagine what WW2 would have been like if the generals were told, "no collateral damage!" That war would have drug on for much longer, just as they are in the ME.

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 06:47 AM | Reply

If you want to complain about whose stealing American's jobs, blame the corporations who stole those jobs by moving them overseas.

#43 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-08-20 09:26 AM | Reply

,i>Read a book. Take a walk outside. Do some gardening. None of which pays China a penny.
#9 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Paper and binding, shoes, gardening supplies, all made in China.

#44 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-08-20 09:28 AM | Reply

If the wars in the ME were fought like WW2, they'd be over in weeks

#23 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

If the wars in the ME were like WW2 they could be fought like WW2.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 09:34 AM | Reply

Although I do agree with you about not watching TV.

#46 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-08-20 09:34 AM | Reply

" 'Correct, but isn't the discussion about the wars in the ME?'

Exactly.

'Why weren't they 'over in weeks'? Even WW1 and WW2 wasn't 'over in weeks' in the ME.

#41 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE'

It's speculation, of course, since politics tied the generals' hands, but it seems if a highly sophisticated fighting machine could win a global conflict in 4 years against other sophisticated fighting machines, it could win a regioanal conflict against a less sophisticated oponent in much less time. But again, the generals' hands are tied by politics. They weren't in WW2 Can you imagine what WW2 would have been like if the generals were told, "no collateral damage!" That war would have drug on for much longer, just as they are in the ME.
#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 06:47 AM"

Your speculation isn't supported by historical facts. Similarly, your premise substantially ignores the other issues referred to in the link I provided above:
www.dodlive.mil

The ME has "enjoyed" the brunt of the latest/greatest equipped armies for millennia. In all that time, lasting peace has not been acquired. Surely that can't be attributed to politically hampered generals in all cases. In addition, comparing the WW2 victory by the Allies to the situation in the ME is difficult to fathom. The geographic/military scenarios are vastly different. It also completely ignores the multi-front advantage that the Allies had once Germany attacked the USSR. One could make a reasonable case that the USSR could have defeated Germany all by itself, even if it obviously would have taken longer.

Bottom line: the historical record repeatedly discounts the notion that a simple military solution alone will be effective in gaining lasting peace in the ME. Doing the same thing over and over has not produced different results.

#47 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-08-21 01:13 AM | Reply

Doing the same thing over and over has not produced different results.

Posted by TrueBlue

Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

#48 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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