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Tuesday, August 20, 2019

The writer Ben Howe grew up in the world of conservative evangelicalism. When he looks at the religious right now, all he sees is a thirst for power and domination.

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Are you kidding me? The entire premise of Christianity is built on "believe this way or burn in hell for eternity.

#1 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-19 09:53 PM | Reply

"I, as a Christian and Austrian can never take the oath of allegiance to a man like Hitler. There must be people who are protesting against the abuse of authority, and I feel called to this protest." " Franz Reinisch

en.wikipedia.org

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-19 10:14 PM | Reply

Because they aren't actually Christians, they just claim it because it's what people do and it gives them cover to be the -------- they are?

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-19 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Because they aren't actually Christians, they just claim it because it's what people do and it gives them cover to be the -------- they are?

POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-08-19 10:26 PM | REPLY

Needs repeated.

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-19 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because they aren't actually Christians, they just claim it because it's what people do and it gives them cover to be the -------- they are?"

This really does sum it up.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-19 10:33 PM | Reply

#3. Channeling again? LOL or is there some part of the Bible that says thou shalt not love Trump? I know there's a part that says not to judge other people

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 11:07 PM | Reply

"Because they aren't actually Christians, they just claim it because it's what people do and it gives them cover to be the -------- they are?"

We all have shadow selves. I think Trump embodies Evangelicals' shadow selves. He's arrogant, greedy, lustful, etc. All the 7 deadly sins on full shameless display. He's not the anti-Christ, but he is the anti-Jesus. Can you imagine Trump turning the other cheek on anything or giving up all his worldly possessions so he could pass through the eye of the needle?

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-19 11:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"is there some part of the Bible that says thou shalt not love Trump?"

You're asking the wrong question.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-19 11:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3. Channeling again? LOL or is there some part of the Bible that says thou shalt not love Trump? I know there's a part that says not to judge other people

#6 | Posted by goatman

Channeling the folksy good golly gee whizz bullschitt again...

It doesn't surprise me that somebody as lacking in awareness as you doesn't see how fake the religious right is.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 01:24 AM | Reply

We all have shadow selves.

Absolutely.

Thing is most of us don't pick a facade 180 degrees from our shadow selves and insist the shadow self doesn't exist.

That's the problem with the religious right. Worst is they're so married to it they'll only fight harder to maintain it the thinner the facade becomes.

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 01:30 AM | Reply

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Having known Born Again Christians all my life I have to say I agree with JPW.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-20 11:13 AM | Reply

"Thing is most of us don't pick a facade 180 degrees from our shadow selves...

#10 | POSTED BY JPW"

How do you know this? Seriously? "Shadow selves" are not publicly displayed -- hence the name.

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 11:17 AM | Reply

How do you know this? Seriously? "Shadow selves" are not publicly displayed -- hence the name.

#12 | Posted by goatman

Through actions.

Surprised you needed to be told that.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-20 12:20 PM | Reply

CINO?

#14 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-08-20 06:18 PM | Reply

I know there's a part that says not to judge other people

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-19 11:07 PM

We'll be sure to remind you of this down the road.

#15 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-08-20 07:45 PM | Reply

"We'll be sure to remind you of this down the road.

#15 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW "

No problem. I'm an atheist. I don't abide by fairy tale books.

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 07:47 PM | Reply

"Thing is most of us don't pick a facade 180 degrees from our shadow selves and insist the shadow self doesn't exist."

When people do that, it's called Reaction Formation.

Like when the anti-gay politician turns out to have a Wide Stance in the men's bathroom.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 07:50 PM | Reply

Through actions.

Surprised you needed to be told that.

#13 | POSTED BY JPW"

They are not noticable through . If they were, they wouldn't be "shadow". I'm shocked this has to be explained to you.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 07:54 PM | Reply

"They are not noticable through"

(Toe tapping intensifies)

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 08:00 PM | Reply

#3. Channeling again? LOL or is there some part of the Bible that says thou shalt not love Trump? I know there's a part that says not to judge other people

#6 | Posted by goatman

There's also a part of the bible that describes the antichrist, and it's trump.

www.ucg.org

"The Bible does not reveal specifically who the Antichrist is, speaking instead of his corrupt teachings. In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul prophesied of a "man of sin," a liar and deceiver whose natural abilities Satan enhances by supernatural power in order to confuse people in the end time."

Frankly I can't think of a better explanation for how so many people would fall for such an obvious liar and sociopath than supernatural forces.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-20 08:10 PM | Reply

I don't abide by fairy tale books.

#16 | Posted by goatman

Yeah you just vote for leaders who do.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-20 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

is there some part of the Bible that says thou shalt not love Trump?

Not literally, since Trump didn't exist then. But:

You must treat the foreigner living among you as native-born and love him as yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt.
-Leviticus 19:34

You shall not pollute the land in which you live.
-Numbers 35:33

You shall not bear false witness
-8th Commandment

You shall not commit adultery
-Exodus 20:14

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

And since i can see your retarded strawman coming a mile away, no, Trump did not invent pollution, lying, adultery, etc. And yes i know who Bill Clinton is. Doesn't change the answer to your stupid question.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 08:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The same subset of "Christians" who'd have been cheering over picnic lunches while "witches" burned at the stake.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-20 08:55 PM | Reply

Does the Bible Justify Family Separation at the Border?
www.texasmonthly.com

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 09:22 PM | Reply

"Does the Bible Justify Family Separation at the Border?

www.texasmonthly.com

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Who cares about fictional justifications?

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 09:23 PM | Reply

22 Bible Verses on Welcoming Immigrants sojo.net

I am a stranger and an alien residing among you; give me property among you for a burying place, so that I may bury my dead out of my sight.'
Genesis 23:4

You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 10:19

The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:34

Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.' Then all the people shall say, Amen!'
Leviticus 27:19

When they were few in number, of little account, and strangers in the land, wandering from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another people, he allowed no one to oppress them; he rebuked kings on their account, saying, Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.'
1 Chronicles 16:19-22

I was eyes to the blind, and feet to the lame. I was a father to the needy, and I championed the cause of the stranger. I broke the fangs of the unrighteous, and made them drop their prey from their teeth.
Job 29:15-17

The Lord watches over the strangers; he upholds the orphan and the widow, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin.
Psalm146:9

For if you truly amend your ways and your doings, if you truly act justly one with another, if you do not oppress the alien, the orphan, and the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own hurt, then I will dwell with you in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your ancestors forever and ever.
Jeremiah 7:5-7

You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who reside among you and have begotten children among you. They shall be to you as citizens of Israel; with you they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:22

Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.
Zechariah 7:9-10

You have heard that it was said, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy'. But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.
Matthew 5:43-44

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
Matthew 25:35

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 09:25 PM | Reply

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Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
Matthew 25:40

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.
Luke 10:27

Then Peter began to speak to them: "I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
Acts 10:34

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8

Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13:10

In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all.
Colossians 3:11

Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured.
Hebrews 13:1-3

Beloved, you do faithfully whatever you do for the friends, even though they are strangers to you; they have testified to your love before the church. You do well to send them on in a manner worthy of God; for they began their journey for the sake of Christ, accepting no support from non-believers. Therefore we ought to support such people, so that they may become co-workers with the truth.
3 John 1:5

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "See the home of God is among mortals. He will dwell with them as their God; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them."
Revelation 21:3

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Who cares about fictional justifications?
#26 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

White House on separating migrant children from parents: "It's very biblical to enforce the law"
www.cnbc.com

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 09:27 PM | Reply

"#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

LOL cutting and pasting google lists as if he is a saint.

You crack me up.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 09:27 PM | Reply

""It's very biblical to enforce the law"
www.cnbc.com

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

So?

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 09:28 PM | Reply

I guess rcade dropped his rule against no bible verse quotations since I was gone.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 09:29 PM | Reply

So?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 09:30 PM | Reply

Who cares about fictional justifications?

You asked for them in #6, moron.

#34 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

LOL cutting and pasting google lists as if he is a saint.

You crack me up.

#30 | Posted by goatman

Yeah that's it. Trump's not saint, big deal. Unless democrats offer an alternative who IS a saint, then they're no better than trump.

Goatman technique #1 - no difference between someone who's not a saint and a hateful dangerous sociopath.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-20 11:30 PM | Reply

"They are not noticable through . If they were, they wouldn't be "shadow". I'm shocked this has to be explained to you."

A person's shadow self is usually not visible to that person, but it is often quite obvious to those around him/her. Snoofy's example of the anti-gay politician (or preacher) who turns out to be gay is a good one. How many people are shocked when an anti-gay crusader turns out to be gay?

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-21 12:15 AM | Reply

"How many people are shocked when an anti-gay crusader turns out to be gay?"

If you want to win the Trumpers over, you've gotta speak their language:
How many people are shocked when it's the Rabbi who spray paints the Swastika on his Synagogue?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 01:08 AM | Reply

No problem. I'm an atheist. I don't abide by fairy tale books.

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 07:47 PM | Reply

Yet you have no trouble trotting it out to try to make a point. Can't have it both ways.

#38 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-08-21 09:24 AM | Reply

Wow as bad as you all make Trump sound, not reelecting him should be cake.

#39 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-08-21 09:58 AM | Reply

"No problem. I'm an atheist. I don't abide by fairy tale books.

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 07:47 PM | Reply

Yet you have no trouble trotting it out to try to make a point. Can't have it both ways.

#38 | POSTED BY SUNTZUMEOW "

Yes, I can. Though I am an atheist, I do believe some of the morals taught in the bible are true, such as not stealing and loving one another. I guess using your logic, I can't talk about leprechauns since I don't believe in them.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 11:40 AM | Reply

"I don't abide by fairy tale books.

#16 | Posted by goatman

Yeah you just vote for leaders who do.

#21 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Ya' think, EInstein?

Out of the dozens of candidates on a ballot on election day, chances are probaby 100% that at least some of them,, if not most of them given the demographics of where I live, believe in the god fairy tale. So what am I supposed to do? Not vote?

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 12:06 PM | Reply

BTW, the bible does not say not to judge others.

It says not to judge others by a different standard than you judge yourself.

#42 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-08-21 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goatman, I don't mean to single you out, but your an athiest so it helps with my question.

If someone (not you) is not a Christian, can you have a desire for power, domination, believe your better than others, abuse your authority and have a shadow self?

Seems only Christians, faux-Christians, or lying Christians own this.

Also, I have to assume this only happens to GOP Christians. Otherwise, I must assume there are no Democrat Christians.

As a side question to my curiosity. Since there is no God there's no sin...just illegal acts.

How does an athiest view gluttony, sloth, pride, envy, lust, greed, and anger? Without the label 7 deadly sins, are they just natural actions without consequence. None of these are illegal, but only Christians and/or Republicans experience these?

#43 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 01:52 PM | Reply

The Bible also said that Jesus wasn't judging the woman when the stoners all left. He also told her to sin no more.

Isn't that what it means when one tells their brother to stop, pointing out their sin? It's not judging...now sin no more.

If I have a plank, my brother should say their speck is just as important to remove as my plank.

#44 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 01:59 PM | Reply

#42 @kudzu

A quick google I find this. It seems quite clear whoevre wrote it says not to judge others, period. I don't see any conditional exceptions as you claim.

"Matt.7. [1] Judge not, that ye be not judged. [2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 02:00 PM | Reply

#43 -- so many questions! And many are based on political false premises and honestly, I don't want to first challenge the fase premises, then go into the root question. Can you rephrase without the politics?

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 02:03 PM | Reply

Sorry Goat, I was stretching it. My bad

Ok, no politics. The 7 deadly sins wouldn't be deadly or sins to an athiest's belief.

I see you agree, and I think most would, regarding murder, stealing, lying. But, those in a society would make them illegal.

Just looking at the 7, is there any reason to believe that these should bw considered right or wrong?

For me, it's hard to establish right and wrong without a reference to God. I find without a spiritual belief, that making decisions come down to legal and illegal arguments. If it's bad, it would be illegal because collectively as a people, it is bad for society. Otherwise, leave it alone.

#47 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 02:15 PM | Reply

I'll make a thread.

#48 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 02:17 PM | Reply

I think of the 7, being right or wrong resides in the individual's heart. I don't think a person has the right to judge another on victimless "wrongs" (if they are that).

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 02:20 PM | Reply

Because they aren't real Christians.

#50 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-08-21 02:35 PM | Reply

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

Story of Goatman's life.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 06:23 PM | Reply

Pet,

"The Bible also said that Jesus wasn't judging the woman when the stoners all left. He also told her to sin no more.
Isn't that what it means when one tells their brother to stop, pointing out their sin? It's not judging...now sin no more."

Jesus would have been qualified to judge and forgive.

Are you?

#52 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-21 06:50 PM | Reply

"Jesus would have been qualified to judge and forgive."

on the basis of what?

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:55 PM | Reply

"on the basis of what?

#53 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Being a god, I would imagine.

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:59 PM | Reply

so anubis can judge you, goatman?

ok.

#55 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 07:03 PM | Reply

"so anubis can judge you, goatman?
ok.

#55 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

He can. So can the Flying Spaghetti Monster. So can Quetzlcoatl, So can THor. So can Osiris. Or any of the other 5,000 gods who have been worshipped.

I don't care.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:06 PM | Reply

"Story of Goatman's life.

#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Profound

#57 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:07 PM | Reply

Sadly, not as profound as it ought to be.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 07:55 PM | Reply

Alex,

"on the basis of what?"

Considering Jesus was brought into the conversation and He claims to be God and qualified to forgive, that would provide the basis you are asking.

Leave Jesus out of the conversation unless you are willing to accept His Divinity.

Jesus was either who He claimed to be or He was deranged.

You liberals are either quoting the words of God or a crazy man.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-21 10:12 PM | Reply

"Jesus was either who He claimed to be or He was deranged"

He was neither because the character never existed. It's all a drama. Theater

#60 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-23 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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