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Tuesday, August 20, 2019

A federal appeals court in California ruled that migrant children detained by U.S. immigration authorities must be provided with edible food, clean water, and basic hygiene items such as soap and toothbrushes, in accordance with a decades-old court order.

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If there was ever any question in your mind as to whether or not they deserved this you need Jesus.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-20 10:08 AM | Reply

Sad world we live in when we would deny any kids these things. The adults in detention deserve the basic human necessities as well. Not serving clean water an edible food makes us sound like we are trying to be on par with a terrorist org.

#2 | Posted by byrdman at 2019-08-20 10:26 AM | Reply

"Not serving clean water an edible food makes us sound like we are trying to be on par with a terrorist org."

All of the most recently released hostages of terrorist organizations have testified that they were always provided edible food, potable water, and the ability to clean themselves regularly so in this instance "trying to be on par with a terrorist org" would be an improvement.

#3 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-20 11:42 AM | Reply

Sad world we live in when we would deny any kids these things. The adults in detention deserve the basic human necessities as well. Not serving clean water an edible food makes us sound like we are trying to be on par with a terrorist org.

#2 | Posted by byrdman

Duh that's what trumpism is - the american taliban. Look at the young men he inspires to kill innocent people - young angry losers just like ISIS inspires. They'd be suicide bombers if they were born in Afghanistan. If they're born here, they satisfy their hate with trump support.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-20 11:45 AM | Reply

Wait. Are we talking about the concentration camps again?

Trump had done such a good job of changing the narrative, I was sure everyone had forgotten about them.

Does anyone actually care? Melania sure doesn't.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 11:53 AM | Reply

"Duh that's what trumpism is - the american taliban. Look at the young men he inspires to kill innocent people - young angry losers just like ISIS inspires. They'd be suicide bombers if they were born in Afghanistan. If they're born here, they satisfy their hate with trump support.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

Unless you were as vociferous decrying Obama for putting kids in cages and on the floor with tin foil blankets, spare us your faux outrage. It's sick to use children as political pawns.

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 12:00 PM | Reply

"Many minors in Border Patrol custody are forced to sleep on concrete floors, with no bedding aside from pieces of thin polyester foil, and are subjected to cold temperatures, serious overcrowding, and constant lighting....The court found, among other things, that minors (1) were "not receiving hot, edible, or a sufficient number of meals during a given day," (2) "had no adequate access to clean drinking water," (3) experienced "unsanitary conditions with respect to the holding cells and bathroom facilities," (4) lacked "access to clean bedding, and access to hygiene products (i.e., toothbrushes, soap, towels)," and (5) endured "sleep deprivation" as a result of "cold temperatures, overcrowding, lack of proper bedding (i.e., blankets, mats), [and] constant lighting."

-------- country run by a -------- president, elected by deplorable ---------.

#7 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 12:04 PM | Reply

It's sick to use children as political pawns.
#6 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

More or less sick than sticking them in cages?

Denying them food, water or a place to sleep.

Also, What difference does it make if Obama did it too?

Does that justify the actions being taken?

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 12:09 PM | Reply

"#8 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

I'll tell you the same thing I told speaksoftly: Were you as vociferous when Obama was putting kid in cages, on the floor, making them sleep with tin foil blankets? If not, spare me your faux outrage, too, and quit using those kids as instruments of your trump hatred.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 12:14 PM | Reply

Were you as vociferous

I guess you care more about the perceived consistency of an anonymous blog poster than you do about children in cages being deprived of clean drinking water and soap. It's good to have priorities.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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-------- country run by a -------- president, elected by deplorable ---------.

#7 | Posted by JOE

Yes, we already know you hate America.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-20 12:17 PM | Reply

Were you as vociferous when Obama was putting kid in cages,

So, you're of the opinion it's too late to be appalled by the actions being taken.

When was the deadline? Was it when Trump got elected?

Also, you didn't answer my question. Take another shot at it.

"What difference does it make if Obama did it too?

Does that justify the actions being taken?"

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 12:18 PM | Reply

"I guess you care more about the perceived consistency of an anonymous blog poster than you do about children in cages being deprived of clean drinking water and soap. It's good to have priorities.

#10 | POSTED BY JOE "

What a bizarre leap of lotic. I abour low lifes who use children for their political agenda.

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 12:21 PM | Reply

"#12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK :

I'll ask again, Mr. deflection: Were you as worried about the welfare of these children when Obama was mistreating them? Did you speak out as vociferously?

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 12:22 PM | Reply

"What difference does it make if Obama did it too?
Does that justify the actions being taken?

12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK :"

I already answered that before you asked it. But here it is again with elaboration for you: If you did not care about how Obama treated those kids, but you suddenly started caring on January 20, 2017, you are exhibiting faux outrage and are a hypocrite. Furthermore, you are clearly using children to pursue your political agenda which is dispicable.

And this doesn't go just for you, Clownshack -- it goes for anyone who kept their mouth shut about Obama's treatment of those kids, but suddenly started weeping crocodile tears for them once Trump took office.

If you guys had been complaining about how Obama treated these kids, Trump would have been handed a much more acceptable facilites. But your silence ensured those places stayed bad. I'm sure the kids that you are using for political pawns thank you.

Here's something that will actually hep more than using these kids as politica tools on an anonymous blog.

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#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 12:40 PM | Reply

If you did not care about how Obama treated those kids, but you suddenly started caring on January 20, 2017, you are exhibiting faux outrage and are a hypocrite.

Cool. So I was right. You believe there's an imaginary deadline to justify being appalled by seeing children separated from their families and put in detention centers.

You're pretending I condoned the actions under Obama, but started condemning it because Trump is the president.

That's your strawman.

You can either choose to accept that these actions are unconstitutional and abhorrent. Or you can make excuses and deflect to Obama till your heart's content.

Furthermore, you are clearly using children to pursue your political agenda which is dispicable.

Being of the opinion these kids, and adults seeking asylum, shouldn't be locked up, isn't a political agenda.

But you sure seem to want it to be one.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 12:55 PM | Reply

"You're pretending I condoned the actions under Obama,

Don't put words into my mouth, please. I never said you condoned Obama's actions. I ASKED if you were as vociferous about his mistreatement as children as you were about Trump's.

Please do not lie. I positied no strawman, but ironically, you just invoked one

"You can either choose to accept that these actions are unconstitutional and abhorrent."

They would not be "unconstitutional and abhorent" if Obama had not handed them to Trump in that condition. And Obama would not have done that had you guys been as loud about those facilities then as you are now.

Own it.

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 01:01 PM | Reply

" unconstitutional and abhorrent."

What is unConstitutional about the ICE facilites?

Abhorrent? Really? Thes people are coming from such poor living places that they are abaondoning them. They now live in air conditioned facilities and get three free meals a day. If it is so abhorrent, why don't they go back home? No one is keeping them there against their will. They obviously think they have it better now, or they would do just that.

Besides, if these places are so "abhorrent", surely the word must've gotten back in the many years they have been open. Claro Maria dijo a Jose, "No ir a los EE UU! Es horible!" (Sureluu Marie told Jose, "Don't go to the USA! It's horrible!")

Yet they keep coming to this "abhorrent" place. Go figure.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 01:12 PM | Reply

I ASKED if you were as vociferous about his mistreatement as children as you were about Trump's.

You may have forgotten. But I was critical of many of Obama's policies. His corporate ownership. His free pass to Monsanto. His approval of the North Dakota Pipeline. And yes, had the information about his actions of separating children from their families and locking up asylum seekers was brought to my attention, I would have been equally appalled.

I positied no strawman,

Yea. You did. It was implying that I was okay with kids being locked up during the Obama administration and am only now upset about it because of Trump.

Do you even care that these kids and adults are being locked up? Or is it all political to you? If all you see is this being a political problem. Then you should reevaluate yourself.

They would not be "unconstitutional and abhorent" if Obama had not handed them to Trump in that condition

Oh. I get it, it's all Obama's fault. Obama Obama Obama! Trump hasn't been president for three years, he doesn't have control of anything, his policies haven't increased separations and detentions.

Trump is the victim here!! Thanks Goat. You're a laugh.

I'll be back later.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" positied no strawman, "

Yea. You did. It was implying that I was okay with kids being locked up during the Obama.."..

Your spin, not what I wrote. Try taking my words as I write them, not what you wish them to be. And no more strawmen, please.

"Do you even care that these kids and adults are being locked up? "

Given the circumstances, yes. Of course. A nation must protect its borders. Or do you have a better idea? I don't think just letting them in blindly is a good idea. If you think so, then would you agree with doing away with all immigration facilites at US portals? And again, they are not being locked up against their will. They can go back any time they want.

"Oh. I get it, it's all Obama's fault. "

You have that right. He set up the facilites and the threshholds they were to operate at. But when Trump got them, it's suddenly his fault? LOL

"Trump is the victim here!! "

Who made that claim. Oh, you did. LOL

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 01:28 PM | Reply

He set up the facilites and the threshholds they were to operate at.

#20 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Obama set up the facilities, so the poor Trump admin has no choice but to fill them up with... um... children! Actually, those facilities were probably around before Obama. There are facilities all over the country.

Obama did not set up operating thresholds of separating children and giving them poor food and hygiene. That was a Trump admin decision.

#21 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-08-20 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Obama did not set up operating thresholds of separating children and giving them poor food and hygiene. That was a Trump admin decision.

#21 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR "

The separating of children was indeed done, but for illegal immigrants only. We do not let incarcerated criminals have their children with them either, as far as I know.

Poor food? Poor hygiene? Again I wonder if things are so terrible why these folks don't leave for a better place? None of them are being kept their against their will.

It's unfathomable to me that someone would come to my home, tell me how horrible it is, then stick around. WTF? Reminds me of the French when my Navy ship had a port of call in Dunkirk. We had an open house for the French since we were the first American warship there since the evacuation during the Nazi invasion. We set up tables with snacks and beverages -- something I never saw done before or since -- and people were complining there was no wine, the baked goods were substandard, it was all so horrible. Yet they didn't leave. LOL

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 02:16 PM | Reply

"#21 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR ""

BTW, did you complain about Obama making kids sleep on the floor in locked cages with tin foil for blankets?

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#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 02:20 PM | Reply

What a bizarre leap of lotic.

Not bizarre at all considering it's the only thing you're posting about in this thread and you've spent hours doing so.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 02:34 PM | Reply

"Not bizarre at all....

#24 | POSTED BY JOE"

It is, especially since it is based on guesswork that bears nothing to my position.

"I guess you ...blah, blah, blah

#10 | POSTED BY JOE ""

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 02:38 PM | Reply

Yeah, people usually spend hours arguing a position that isn't their priority on an issue. My bad!

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 02:40 PM | Reply

"#24 | POSTED BY JOE"

BTW, did you complain about Obama making kids sleep on the floor in locked cages with tin foil for blankets?

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#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 02:41 PM | Reply

"Duh that's what trumpism is - the american taliban. Look at the young men he inspires to kill innocent people - young angry losers just like ISIS inspires. They'd be suicide bombers if they were born in Afghanistan. If they're born here, they satisfy their hate with trump support.
POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "
Unless you were as vociferous decrying Obama for putting kids in cages and on the floor with tin foil blankets, spare us your faux outrage. It's sick to use children as political pawns.

#6 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Why lie?

The "cages" Obama built housed people for up to 72 hours before they were transferred. They didn't house kids for months.
And the "sleeping on the floor" with "tin foil blankets" also only occurred for at most 24-48 hours if an especially large group was captured and couldn't be transferred to other facilities immediately.

www.snopes.com
www.cnn.com

I'm sorry I don't have the time and crayons to explain this to you further.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-20 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"I'm sorry I don't have the time and crayons to explain this to you further.

#28 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT "

I hope the condescention made you feel better.

Did you complain about the treatment of immigrants?

THe ones being kept locked up for months are ones being deported. I guess if they don't like it, they shouldn't enter the country illegally. And I can figure that no brainer out without crayons.

Why do libs weep for lawbreakers?

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 02:58 PM | Reply

We're all lawbreakers.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 03:59 PM | Reply

"We're all lawbreakers.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

You tried that bait before, troll. I didn't take it then; I'm not taking it now.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 04:02 PM | Reply

"BTW, did you complain about Obama making kids sleep on the floor in locked cages with tin foil for blankets?"

What difference does it make?
???

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 04:08 PM | Reply

"You tried that bait before"

Bait?
It's a fact.
You have broken countless laws throughout your life.
We all have.
Own it.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 04:09 PM | Reply

What difference does it make?

According to prior posts from Goat, if you weren't aware and furious about Obama's policies, then the only reason you care now is due to having a political agenda.

Also, Trump has zero responsibility for what's happening, he's simply continuing Obama's policy, possibly the only Obama "policy" Trump has continued.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 04:14 PM | Reply

"Unless you were as vociferous decrying Obama for putting kids in cages and on the floor with tin foil blankets..."

^
This line of "reasoning" draws from a buffet of fallacies. Theres a little bit of the "bargaining" stage of the Kbler-Ross model, a dash of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, and a concerted attempt to shoot the messenger.

It's actually somewhat impressive how many fallacies you've drawn together!

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A federal appeals court in California ruled that migrant children detained by U.S. immigration authorities must be provided with edible food, clean water, and basic hygiene items such as soap and toothbrushes, in accordance with a decades-old court order.

I guess if they don't like it here they should go back home.

#36 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-20 04:30 PM | Reply

#36 Yeah! Those 4 year olds should hop on the next Greyhound!

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-20 04:34 PM | Reply

Trump separated kids from their families, locked them up for months with no plan to reunite them with their families and denied them clean water, sufficient food and hygiene to use them as political pawns.

Apparently only the using them as pawns is despicable.

Obama didnt do this. Neither did Bush or Clinton.

Own it.

#38 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Hop on a bus?

It's a detention center.

You can't just leave whenever you want to.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 10:43 PM | Reply

Goat only has false equivalences, deflections, and "what about?!?!" in his Trump-humping toolbox.

Can't go too low, either. He pulled out all the stops to defend Trump's reprehensible policies.

Sick.

#40 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-20 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Goat only has false equivalences, deflections, and "what about?!?!" in his Trump-humping toolbox.

Can't go too low, either. He pulled out all the stops to defend Trump's reprehensible policies.
Sick.

#40 | POSTED BY YAV "

It's so eassy to puke out the words "false equivalences, deflections, and "what about?!?!" and claim your adversary is "sick" (how childish) but man up and say why.

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 10:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why?

Because it took a Judge to enforce basic, fundamental human rights because this current President has no humanity, no compassion, no empathy - no soul.

Edible food?
Soap?
Toothpaste and a toothbrush?
And now no vaccinations.

Things we made sure those held at Gitmo had. Things U.S. prisoners get.

But not these migrants.

If you really needed that explained to you then you aren't any better than that POS that sits in the WH.

#42 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-20 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

yav- he's more interested in trolling libs than being a human. even on an anonymous blog! let that sink in.

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-20 11:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#42 | POSTED BY YAV "

They are free to go if they are pissed off they don't get vaccinations, or anything else. No one promisd them a rose garden when theyh illegally entered the US> Well, maybe their coyotes did, but that's hardly Trump's fault, is it?

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 11:15 PM | Reply

you are broken. decency cannot be explained to you.

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-20 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Look, Yav. I'm not stupid. I get it that you and your ilk get a woody in anticipation of all the new voters your party will get if we let al these illegals in. But the reality is, they are free to go if they think they are treated unfairly. So don't weep crocodile tears for them. Their destiny is in their hands, even if it ----- up your dream of new voters.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you are broken. decency cannot be explained to you.

#45 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Tell that to the dozens of disabled vets I voluntarily whee around Audie Murchy VA hospital

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 11:20 PM | Reply

LMAO!

"Ignore everything I say, I have to be decent, I volunteer!"

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-20 11:25 PM | Reply

"LMAO!

"Ignore everything I say, I have to be decent, I volunteer!"

#48 | POSTED BY YAV "

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me indecent. Just because I respect our laws and borders does not make me indecent. Just bevause I speak the truth that those immigrants are pissy because they don't have have toothrush dosn't make me indecent.. I give generously to those who deserve it: Veterans without legs or are sick. I don't call you childish names because you support illegal aliens.

Whose the better person?

I know your answer will be,"The one wh uses the phase 'You hate brown people'" the most. Guess what? I wheel around a lot of brown people, too.

Grow up, yav. NOt everyone agrees wiwth you and your ilk.. Respect that if you can.

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 11:33 PM | Reply

You aren't some great man because you take care of your own. Using that as an example of how decent you are when you justify the treatment and the suffering of these people under Trump doesn't cut it.

The world is filled with examples of the worst of humanity taking care of their own. That doesn't make them decent, or honorable, or humane.

Just more false equivalency from you, all to rationalize despicable policy, based in hatred and intolerance. All required to make sure you don't have to look at these people as human. You have to make them the enemy. Something less than human. "Those" people.

Yeah You're right. I don't respect you, Goatman.

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-20 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The self-righteous, more-moral-than-thou bullshht is really being flung around here. That's the only argument the Left has. Disguise their lust for power by calling it "compassion."

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-20 11:51 PM | Reply

Matthew 5

46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

www.biblica.com

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-20 11:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You aren't some great man because you take care of your own."

I never said I was.

"Yeah You're right. I don't respect you, Goatman.

#50 | POSTED BY YAV "

Breaks my heart. But for what it's worth, I respect your right to your views enough to refrain from childish epithets when speaking with you even though I am vehemently against people who support illegal aliens. That's what America is about.

Sleep well.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 11:52 PM | Reply

"As Buddhists, our practice is one of wisdom and compassion. This compassion is limitless. This compassion is universal. Our practice leaves no room for partial compassion, or compassion with geographical or other boundaries. When we pray for the benefit for all sentient beings, this means exactly that: all sentient beings."

With compassion
Thaye Dorje
His Holiness the 17th Gyalwa Karmapa

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-20 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not worth anything to me.
Not coming from you.

Sleep well.

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-20 11:56 PM | Reply

Disguise their lust for power by calling it "compassion."
#51 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Their compassion for Chinese slave labor to build their electronic toys is zero.

Likewise for wage slave migrants working 10-12 hour shifts in a chicken plant.

They export pollution and slavery to the third world, then gallop about on their moral high horse.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-21 12:01 AM | Reply

Not everyone agrees wiwth you and your ilk.. Respect that if you can.
#49 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Yav replies:

""Yeah You're right. I don't respect you, Goatman.
#50 | POSTED BY YAV "

So we have another person from the left admitting that if you if you d't agree with him, you get no respect.

Hmmm. I thought the Democratic party claimed to respect all. Guess not.

#57 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 12:01 AM | Reply

"Look, Yav. I'm not stupid. I get it that you and your ilk get a woody in anticipation of all the new voters your party will get if we let al these illegals in."

It is stupid to assume that these potential Hispanic voters, who are mainly Catholics, would support mainly Democrats. Many of them would support Republicans, who tend to run on Christian values, if Republicans weren't so hateful towards them.

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-21 12:02 AM | Reply

"Sleep well.

#55 | POSTED BY YAV "

As a person who can state my position without childish epithets (unike you), I will.

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 12:04 AM | Reply

The "cages" Obama built housed people for up to 72 hours before they were transferred. They didn't house kids for months. And the "sleeping on the floor" with "tin foil blankets" also only occurred for at most 24-48 hours if an especially large group was captured and couldn't be transferred to other facilities immediately.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant

BINGO!

Also, asylum seekers weren't sent back to sleep on the streets of Juarez and other dangerous cities and denied reentry to the U.S. for their court hearings. 95% can't even GET a lawyer, being stuck to sleep on the streets of Juarez and other dangerous cities as they are.

Women are being raped, cartels are assaulting and kidnapping them.

#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 12:10 AM | Reply

--It is stupid to assume that these potential Hispanic voters, who are mainly Catholics, would support mainly Democrats.

Nonsense. They will vote just like hispanics do now, at least 2 to 1 Democrat.

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-21 12:12 AM | Reply

"#50 | POSTED BY YAV "

It never ceases to amaze me how peole who support illegal immigration claim to be morally superior to those who think the laws of our country should be obeyed.

I wonder if they'd feel the same if the illegal immigrants wouldn't be likely to vote for their political party.

I think not. Party over country, obviously.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 12:12 AM | Reply

"Women are being raped, cartels are assaulting and kidnapping them.

#60 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

Citation needed

#63 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 12:14 AM | Reply

I wonder if Yav supports illegals committing identity fraud to get work?

Will Yav be able to admit that it's not a victimless crime?

#64 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-21 12:20 AM | Reply

"I wonder if Yav supports illegals committing identity fraud to get work?

#64 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM "

My guess is that if there is a chance thqt an llegal immigrant is like;y to vote Democrat, he doesn't care.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 12:27 AM | Reply

"Nonsense. They will vote just like hispanics do now, at least 2 to 1 Democrat."

Like I said, that's because Republicans often come across as being anti-Hispanic.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-21 12:29 AM | Reply

"Look, Yav. I'm not stupid. I get it that you and your ilk get a woody in anticipation of all the new voters your party will get if we let al these illegals in."

Wow, the stupid is strong!

Illegals can't vote. And who knows how they would even if they eventually could?

The current wait to even obtain and complete immigration status hearings is several years. If granted, it currently takes 2 1/2 years to get a green card, which you must have had for 5 years before you can apply for citizenship. That process in turn takes at least a year right now, and could be several years.

GOATMAN has become especially sad and unAmerican since his return. A former U.S. Navy military man who chooses to fight with fellow Americans who advocate for upholding American ideals and law and oppose those who choose, like Trump, to faithlessly execute the office of President. Who praises dictators and gives the rhetorical finger to our own countrymen who are faithfully doing their jobs.

It's long past the time for the 25th Amendment to the Constitution he swore to defend to be instituted.

#67 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 12:30 AM | Reply

You all should start asking who is organizing these efforts which persuade unprecedented numbers of people to show up at our southern border. Masses of people who travel hundreds or thousands of miles require organization, logistical support, and funding - unless they are pillaging and raiding on the way(?). The real cynical actors in all this mess are the ones who are putting out the word and providing the funding for these people to cross treacherous terrain when they know these people will likely be abused by, e.g., traffickers, or arrive at facilities on our southern border which are already overwhelmed and cannot accommodate them.

#68 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-08-21 12:53 AM | Reply

"You all should start asking who is organizing these efforts which persuade unprecedented numbers of people to show up at our southern border. "

It's called The Invisible Hand.
www.investopedia.com

What Is the Invisible Hand?
The invisible hand is a metaphor for the unseen forces that move the free market economy. Through individual self-interest and freedom of production as well as consumption, the best interest of society, as a whole, are fulfilled. The constant interplay of individual pressures on market supply and demand causes the natural movement of prices and the flow of trade.

The invisible hand is part of laissez-faire, meaning "let do/let go," approach to the market. In other words, the approach holds that the market will find its equilibrium without government or other interventions forcing it into unnatural patterns.

Scottish Enlightenment thinker Adam Smith introduced the concept in several of his writings, but it found this economic interpretation in his book An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations published in 1776. The term found use in an economic sense during the 1900s.

The invisible hand metaphor distills two critical ideas. First, voluntary trades in a free market produce unintentional and widespread benefits. Second, these benefits are greater than those of a regulated, planned economy.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 01:01 AM | Reply

Funny that the "invisible hand" has to be explained to so-called Conservatives these days.

#70 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-21 08:19 AM | Reply

Look, Yav. I'm not stupid.
#46 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Citation needed

#71 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-21 08:35 AM | Reply

"It is stupid to assume that these potential Hispanic voters, who are mainly Catholics, would support mainly Democrats. Many of them would support Republicans, who tend to run on Christian values, if Republicans weren't so hateful towards them."

Catholics vote for Trump
Nov 9, 2016

Catholic voters gave 52 percent of their vote to Donald Trump and only 45 percent of their vote to Hillary Clinton, according to the media exit polls. This is four percentage points higher than the 48 percent of the Catholic vote received by Mitt Romney, according to the Pew Research Center.

Surprisingly, the Hispanic Catholic vote for Clinton (67 percent) was less than that given to President Obama four years ago (75 percent). White Catholics, on the other hand, gave Trump almost the same percentage of their vote (60 percent) as they gave Romney in the last election (59 percent).

In other words, the reason Trump won the Catholic vote is not because White Catholics voted more Republican this year than four years ago, but because Hispanics did not deliver for Clinton the way they did for Obama. Despite all the negative talk about immigration, Hispanic Catholics voted less Democratic this year than four years ago.
www.ncronline.org

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-21 08:54 AM | Reply

All Goatman sees is potential democratic voters and not fellow fellow human beings... pretty disgusting to be honest

#73 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-08-21 01:08 PM | Reply

"It's so eassy to puke out the words "false equivalences, deflections, and "what about?!?!""

Goatman,

Your post history, albeit only a few days old, proves how easy it is to puke out false equivalences, deflections, and "what about?!?!

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 06:35 PM | Reply

"Your post history, albeit only a few days old, proves how easy it is to puke out false equivalences, deflections, and "what about?!?!

#74 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

LOL I'll bet the extreme irony of that post flew right over your head, didn't it?

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:38 PM | Reply

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