Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, August 21, 2019

As Democratic presidential candidates descended on the Iowa State Fair, a plane buzzed overhead, an ominous warning fluttering behind it on a banner: "Focus on Rural America."

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Unless and until the Democrats realize that the urban enclaves on the Coasts are fundamentally different from rural America, we will be doomed to suffer under idiots like Trump.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2019-08-20 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Dems are going to crush Trump. All this hand wringing about what might happen to cause the Dems to lose is completely misplaced energy. We are going to smash him and his arrogant racist base into the ground. And then NY is going to indict him, and then he will get to do his perp walk finally.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-20 03:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

#2 Would you like a towel after that workout?

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-20 03:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Ya think that's funny Sheeple? Laugh it up funny boy. Trump is facing an unprecedented trouncing in 2020 and there is nothing you or handlers back in Moscow can do to prevent it. That flushing sound you will be hearing will be you and your fascist buddies going down the toilet. Laugh it up. I know I will be.

#4 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-20 03:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

What exactly are these rural values that people are referring too?

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- is the epitome of what they (rural voters) SAY they are against-i.e. godless, multiple divorcee, married to an employs illegals, greedy city dweller.

What exactly do they see in him that they don't see in a democrat?

Gay marriage and abortion are the only issues I can see and trust me, Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- has paid for a bunch of abortions-thank god!

Remember the ONLY things Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- has accomplished in almost 3 years is a massive tax cut for the wealthy and cuts to regulations.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-20 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

*Mop needed in #4*

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-20 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 | POSTED BY MODER8

I've decided to Hans your bold predictions.

I've never done this before.

My intent is to reproduce them in the election thread regardless of the outcome.

You'll either look prescient and vindicated or you will have egg all over your face and will be eating crow.

I don't need your permission but since I have always gotten along well with you I will not go forward with this if you'd rather I didn't.

I give you that as a courtesy.

So, please let me know either way.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-20 04:33 PM | Reply

#2

Given how wrong everyone was about Hillary "crushing" Trump (including her campaign) I think calling this "hand wringing" is not only misplaced but extremely misguided.

If we ignore the mostly rural middle of the country we are going to be saddled with 4 more years of Cheetolini.

#8 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2019-08-20 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nope. HRC was a ------ candidate. I am a liberal and I didn't vote for her. And the liberals I know who did vote for her, did it with extreme reservations. Warren is a completely different kind of candidate. We are going to crush Trump. He doesn't have a pos like HRC to run against this time. Given an affirmative choice, voters will reject Trump in a landslide.

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-20 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Warren is a completely different kind of candidate. We are going to crush Trump.

Good luck with that, she first needs to crush Biden, who according to RCP has a +13 margin on Warren and Sanders, who are statistically tied. Putting the two of them together gets them statistically even with Biden, but most of the trailing candidates (with the possible exception of Harris) are fairly moderate. Couple that with the fact that the Bernie Bros. have a history of voting against the candidate that beat Sen. Sanders, and she has a long way to go.

It's still early, but you are putting a lot of chips in a basket that still isn't the frontrunner.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-20 05:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

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It's still early, but you are putting a lot of chips in a basket that still isn't the frontrunner.

#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Not to mention that a majority of Democrat voters are to the right of Warren. She's very much like Sanders with her appeal IMO. You know who Sanders' appeal was/is similar to? Ron Paul.

She's getting traction among the base because she's staying fairly consistent with her policy advocacies, unlike certain candidates *COUGH* *Harris* *COUGH*. But, that makes a move to the middle more difficult in the general.

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-20 06:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If we ignore the mostly rural middle of the country we are going to be saddled with 4 more years of Cheetolini.

#8 | POSTED BY LEFTCOASTLAWYER

Democrats thumb their nose at rural America at their own peril. This is where extreme identity politics is very dangerous for them politically.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-20 06:31 PM | Reply

So which one of you asshats is living in "rural America"?

#13 | Posted by Chieftutmoses at 2019-08-20 06:36 PM | Reply

#11

I agree, but as I pointed out earlier she and Bernie are fighting for the same voters, I think the likelihood of a Biden supporter switching to Bernie/Warren (barring some huge gaffe by Creepy Uncle Joe) is pretty low unless one of them becomes the frontrunner.

As for Harris, if she continues to slip she, like Tulsi, will move to the middle to jockey for the VP position.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-20 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dems did well in rural counties in the blue wave of 2018.
www.brookings.edu

Has Trump done anything in the last two years to counter that?

#15 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 09:48 PM | Reply

"Has Trump done anything in the last two years to counter that?"

I guess it depends on how much rural America likes kids in cages.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 09:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Focus on Rural America"

I've been saying this for a long time.

#17 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-20 10:03 PM | Reply

#16 I guess those cages are like a feedlot for low wage workers. They should be put to work to earn their keep sweeping chimneys and stuff. Once they are old enough to breed, send them back.

Their small hands are so good at picking cotton and we proved they dont need much food or even a bed. Their small hands mean we will have to resize the chains.

That's how to appeal to rural America.

#18 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 10:42 PM | Reply

#18

Now do Canada, that jailed over 10,000 immigrants in 2018!

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-20 11:38 PM | Reply

"Bernie Bros. have a history of voting against the candidate that beat Sen. Sanders, and she has a long way to go.

It's still early, but you are putting a lot of chips in a basket that still isn't the frontrunner.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-20 05:13 PM |

listen to this lying sack of crap

12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump on Election Day.

compared to Hillary Clinton voters who supported John McCain by 24%

#20 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 01:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree, but as I pointed out earlier she and Bernie are fighting for the same voters, I think the likelihood of a Biden supporter switching to Bernie/Warren (barring some huge gaffe by Creepy Uncle Joe) is pretty low unless one of them becomes the frontrunner.

As for Harris, if she continues to slip she, like Tulsi, will move to the middle to jockey for the VP position.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-20 08:21 PM

Jesus, look at the second choice poll

"The poll found that Sanders was the second choice for 27 percent of Biden's supporters. Another 15 percent of Biden supporters said they would back Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) while 9 percent said they supported Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)."
thehill.com

As for Elizabeth Warren voters, she is attracting mostly upper-middle-class voter Bernie is attracting College-educated and working-class voters

#21 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 01:32 AM | Reply

Since Blumpf shattered their psychologies, smug leftists reflexively default to positions which are self-destructive. It's really astonishing to witness. NOW coastal elitist leftists are going to start focusing on "flyover country" when they've done nothing but sneer at it previously? Add to that the fact that DNC debaters thus far have all but called for open borders and free ---- for anyone who happens to or wants to end up here. This is bad comedy; one might describe it as a clown world. Honk honk!

#22 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-08-21 01:47 AM | Reply

12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump on Election Day.

What a bunch of whiny losers. Voting for a guy whose positions are 100% the opposite of Bernie's.

Thanks, Bernie Bros ... for nothing!! You took America backwards and made us a laughing stock again. WTG!!

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:00 AM

you didn't look at the rest of the commit

"compared to Hillary Clinton voters who supported John McCain by 24%.

all candidates who lose will have a certain amount of voters will have a protest vote.

when you compare the votes here you see hillary voters were bigger sore losers then Bernie voters

#24 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 02:10 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by PunchyPossum

The difference being that Bernie fans are supposed to be staunch supporters of progressive causes. Bernie was not 'the establishment' candidate like Clinton was. And McCain was viewed by many as a moderate. Trump certainly wasn't.

Voting for Trump was a middle finger to everything they thought they stood for by supporting Bernie.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:23 AM

once again no matter who or what the candidate is if the given candidate loses some of there voters will cast a protest vote to the other party 12 percent is very low compared to hillary voter going for McCain.

I do see you will admit Hillary was not a progressive candidate at least your being honest about that.

John McCain was a moderate? lol yeah, you can see that by the vice president he chose, yet 24 percent of Hillarys supporter still voted for him.

remember bomb bomb bomb Iran yet still 24 percent of Hillary voters thought this was great and voter for McCain who was not a moderate by any real measure you should save your Faux outrage for something more important than this

#26 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 02:45 AM | Reply

John McCain was a moderate?

By the older voters who turn out, yes.

Yours is an apples-orange comparison. Clinton was viewed as a centrist-moderate, not a progressive. McCain had the same image in many voter's minds.

Bernie Bros helped bring us Trump, what with the vote as close as it was in 3 states- 77,000 total.

It was extremely childish of them to vote for a despicable POS like Trump, knowing full well who he is - the polar opposite of everything they stand for - when they hit his name in the voting booth.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:54 AM | Reply

Trump's trade war is hurting rural America badly, an agrarian population who rely on world markets.

China will hold off negotiating until a new president is sworn in. They read the papers too. And they aren't the only countries who've initiated retaliatory tariffs and boycotts. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of farming families will suffer because of Trump. China, U.S. one of American farmer's biggest markets, is now buying soybeans and corn from other countries. What reason would they have to return to buying from the U.S.?

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 03:15 AM | Reply

25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 02:23 AM

It was despicable 24 percent of Hillary supporters wanted to vote for a right-wing candidate who wanted to bomb Iran.

apparently, you don't think bombing Iran is such a bad thing and you don't seem to think that is idea mostly pushed by right-wingers neo-cons.

It was Hillary who caused Hillary to lose maybe if she campaigned more in the rust belt states she might have won.

trying to push this off on Bernie voters is most facetious.

Hillary lost because of Hillary.

#29 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 03:44 AM | Reply

It's not who we are for, but who we are against...CA & NY mob rule for example...

#30 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-21 03:52 AM | Reply

They could have just stayed home. I blame the childish Sanders voters who voted for Trump, yes I do. Those little crybabies turned back the clock on progressive gains it took decades to win. Like I said, they could have stayed home if they were that butthurt.

And now we have two more right wingers on the SC. Voting rights, women's rights, on down the list .. all in peril. F the lot of them!

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof

Sanders -> Trump voters:
WI: 51k
MI: 47k
PA: 116k

Trump win margin:
WI: 22k
MI: 10k
PA: 44k

www.newsweek.com

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 03:57 AM | Reply

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn. How about blaming Hillary for being the horrible candidate that she was instead of Bernie supporters?? I know novel idea.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-21 04:15 AM | Reply

How do you like all the trans and LGBT rights Trump is rolling back?

You hate Hillary. I get it. But you should dislike Trump even more. That's who those crybabies gave us. BTW, Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. Butthurt Bernie people gave Trump MI, PA, and WI.

Case closed.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 04:51 AM | Reply

Butthurt Bernie people gave Trump MI, PA, and WI. ... and the White House, and 2 SC seats, and all the pain he's causing millions of people and will continue to who DIDN'T vote for him out of spite like children throwing a tantrum.

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 04:53 AM | Reply

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 03:57 AM | Rep

Abody anybody but Hillary caused Hillary to lose Sob Sob Sob sniffle sniffle, Lol

it wasn't because 24 percent of Hillary supporters thought John McCain was a moderate was why they voted for McCain, it was because they were scared of a Black man as president.

in Fact one of the PUMA web sites PUMA, by the way, stood for party unity my A- which was the former Hillary supporters who wanted John McCain president called their movement.

one of the PUMA web sites had to tell their supporters to stop using the N-word.

Why did Hillary lose because she was indeed a terrible candidate, She was seen as just another Washington insider candidate during a time when people did not want a Washington insider candidate.

and of course, there is other reasons such as she did not campaign in the rust belt
And as polls showed she was just not trusted as a person

#35 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 05:01 AM | Reply

And yet, butthurt Bernie people voted for a POS out of spite and handed Trump the election with 77,000 spiteful votes.

You aren't talking to someone who loved Hillary or hated Bernie. We both voted for him in the primary.

But we sure didn't want Trump to win with all that was at stake, the results of which are displayed daily and will resound for decades to come thanks to the SC seats that went to right wingers.

All those butthurt Bernie voters who voted for Trump screwed the rest of us, badly.

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 05:20 AM | Reply

"All those butthurt Bernie voters who voted for Trump screwed the rest of us, badly.

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

People vote for who they want to win, not who you want to win.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:11 AM | Reply

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 05:20 AM

you're in denial if you think it was anyone else but Hillary who caused her to lose.

as I said she could have campaigned in the rust belt states but she didn't she ran as a Washington insider when that was the opposite of what people wanted, she angered the left by cuddling up to a mass killer henry kissinger and voted for the Iraq war she was in favor of NAFTA and TPP. Hillary was her worst enemy.

No one else caused Hillary to lose no matter how much you want to blame Bernie voters, it was hillary.

#38 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-21 07:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Butthurt Bernie people gave Trump MI, PA, and WI. ... and the White House, and 2 SC seats, and all the pain he's causing millions of people and will continue to who DIDN'T vote for him out of spite like children throwing a tantrum.

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

You call people who don't vote as you want them to "children throwing a tantrum?" Jesus, how arrogant is that??

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:33 AM | Reply

"...like children throwing a tantrum.

POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

It's pretty obvious who the tantrum throwing child is. It's the guy who is pissed that people didn't vote like he wanted them to.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:37 AM | Reply

On average, Bernie and Warren combine to poll at the same % as Biden. Since their politics are virtually identical, barring something that causes Biden to drop out, it's obvious they either need to team up or one needs to drop out for either to have a fighting chance.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-21 08:17 AM | Reply

--China will hold off negotiating until a new president is sworn in.

Possibly. They certainly have reason to believe that a Democrat president will be a Fredo and roll over like a poodle for them. Joe Biden made the astonishing comment earlier this year that China was not a competitor with us. He walked that back, of course, like he does with every dumb thing he says.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-21 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You think it is "Hillary's fault"? She is who she is. She ran the best campaign as she thought at the time. Hindsight is 20/20.

It is the voter's "fault" that we have Trump as president. Plain and simple. All the information they needed to make their choice was available if they looked for it. If they were tricked by FUD tactics, or just angsty little snowflakes who registered a "protest vote" because their guy was not the candidate that the public wanted, it is still THEIR decision and THEIR fault.

Just like I don't "blame" Trump for that the state of our country right now. Trump is who he is. No one got "tricked" into voting for him. And if they did, then that is their own fault (again, it just took a little effort to find all the information you needed to make an informed decision). Republicans and the RIGHT decided that is who they wanted. It is THEIR "fault" that we have him (or any Bernie Bros who decided to vote for him, as well as all the other subgroups who decided they wanted to elect him).

I voted for Obama. His presidency was MY "fault". I take full responsibility for it.

I also voted for Hillary. That was the most that I could legally do to prevent Trump from becoming President. Trump is not MY "fault".

If you voted for Trump, or stayed home, or voted third party... Trump is YOUR "fault". No Hillary's because you think she "made you" emotional and angsty.

Stop being a child. Grow up and learn a little personal responsibility.

#43 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-21 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And just to be clear, I do not think Bernie had a chance of winning. And I think he is too idealistic to be an effective president (sometimes the sausage has to be made). I still think that voting for Hillary over Bernie was the right choice.

BUT, if Bernie HAD won the nomination (instead of losing it by a significant margin) then I would have HAPPILY voted for him over Trump. Not voted third party. Not stayed home. Because I knew that basically anyone would be better than Trump. And would make sure I did my part to make sure that Trump did not win, or at least that I was not at "fault" for him winning.

#44 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-21 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It's pretty obvious who the tantrum throwing child is. It's the guy who is pissed that the actual vote didn't match his imaginary vote counts." That nut is still arguing today that ha actually won the popular vote and that states had so many felonious fraudulent votes that he would have won otherwise. He's delusional or a liar or both.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-21 09:33 AM | Reply

"He walked that back, of course, like he does with every dumb thing he says."

Just like Trump except Trump takes it a step further and then walks back the walk backs.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-21 09:36 AM | Reply

"And just to be clear, I do not think Bernie had a chance of winning. And I think he is too idealistic to be an effective president (sometimes the sausage has to be made). I still think that voting for Hillary over Bernie was the right choice."

I voted for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the election. Hillary should never have been our nominee. Being the wife of an impeached President, who was found guilty of lying about a relationship in the WH? Come on, half the country opposed her. We should have had a real candidate, not the wife of an impeached President. And I say that without malice towards Hillary, she was and is a brilliant person, and accomplished person but was just in a position doomed to failure.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-21 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Everyone that voted for Trump and Hillary are at fault.
President Stein could be leading our country.

Hillary won the popular vote.
Trump won the electoral vote.

Damn. We should've had Ron Paul and Ross Perot. The two parties are killing this country. Who else to blame? They've been running the show how long?

#48 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 09:52 AM | Reply

I also voted for Hillary. That was the most that I could legally do to prevent Trump from becoming President. Trump is not MY "fault".
If you voted for Trump, or stayed home, or voted third party... Trump is YOUR "fault". - #43 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-21 09:20 AM

If you obstinate Sec. Clinton voters had just voted for Johnson, we would be 3 years into a legal marijuana, balanced budget, withdrawn from war footing Johnson presidency. Trump is YOUR "fault".

#49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-21 09:59 AM | Reply

I do not think Bernie had a chance of winning

He won the Wisconsin and Michigan primaries, two critical swing states that Hillary ended up losing. A Bernie ticket may well have excited the leftwing electorate in those states and driven turnout in a way Hillary was incapable of.

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-21 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So are we now sweeping under the rug the DNC's proven shady actions to support Clinton at Sanders expense, against the will of its voters?

#51 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-08-21 10:12 AM | Reply

#50 Probably not in PA though where Hillary beat Bernie by about 200,000 votes and then lost to Trump by about 44,000.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-21 10:15 AM | Reply

And I agree with you, Petraeus. The two party stranglehold is the biggest impediment facing American democracy. We are the only first world democracy operating under a 2 party system.

#53 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-08-21 10:24 AM | Reply

Do you feel cognitive dissonance when discussing a 2 party system when (I) Bernie Sanders holds office in the Senate and people in this very discussion have admitted to voting for Green and Libertarian candidates?

#54 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-21 10:44 AM | Reply

Hey Otto, keep it Petrous or my favorite Petrock.
Petraeus? No thanks...don't want that!!

#55 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 11:02 AM | Reply

A Bernie ticket may well have excited the leftwing electorate in those states and driven turnout in a way Hillary was incapable of.

#50 | POSTED BY JOE

It may have, or it may not have. Hard to say. And how many Cold War era moderates would an avowed socialist have driven away?

And I still think that Hillary would be a better leader and better president.

I don't blame you for voting for Bernie in the primary (don't know if you did or not). You should vote for the person that you think would be the best candidate. There are very legitimate reasons to disagree whether Hillary or Bernie would be be the best candidate.

What I DO blame people for (assign "fault") is voting for Trump, or not voting against him (either staying home or casting a "feel good" vote for a third party).

If you are happy with your decision to make or let Trump become president then there is no issue (as I said in a previous post, I happily accept "fault" for Obama becoming president). But, if you are unhappy with "fault" being assigned to you for Trump, then maybe you should not have been such an ignorant rube or angsty snowflake when you made your decision on who to vote for (or your decision not to vote).

#56 | Posted by Gtbritishskull at 2019-08-21 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sorry, Petrucio.

#57 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-08-21 11:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It may have, or it may not have. Hard to say.

Just as it's hard for you to say you don't think Bernie had a chance of winning. Nobody really knows what would have happened, which was kind of my point.

What I DO blame people for (assign "fault") is voting for Trump, or not voting against him (either staying home or casting a "feel good" vote for a third party).

Completely agree there. As someone who always voted third party previously, i held my nose and voted for Hillary in an effort to stop this imbecile from winning.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-21 12:49 PM | Reply

The problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is you still get evil.

I get the vote for who can win, but these two parties have ruined the US. Not ONE, but BOTH.

I have more issues with Congress. These are lifers proving how horrible they are. Congress approval rating: nil. Re-election chance? 95%.

Have to face the facts that voters accept the worse because our laws expect voters to remove the cancer.

#59 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 12:57 PM | Reply

Just as it's hard for you to say you don't think Bernie had a chance of winning. Nobody really knows what would have happened, which was kind of my point.

#58 | POSTED BY JOE

Nope... easy to say. Because that is my opinion.

It was my opinion then, and is still my opinion now. Because you have not presented me any compelling evidence that it is wrong. Only wishy-washy could-have-beens and maybes.

And that is why people have different opinions. Because it is all in your perspective and how you weigh the facts as to which way you think the conclusion tilts. You came to the opposite conclusion in this instance, and that is OK.

I have no problem debating people on those "opinions". What weight things have and which other conclusions you think are right (which you use as a basis for conclusions going forward). That is what creates differences in ideology.

#60 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-21 01:26 PM | Reply

i held my nose and voted for Hillary in an effort to stop this imbecile from winning.
#58 | POSTED BY JOE

Which is exactly what millions of Trump voters did.
Voting for the lesser of the 2 evils is what we do.. Over and over.
He won, she lost. Stop trying to reason it out or assign blame.
Instead, concentrate on someone *sensible that can actually beat Trump.
Candidates like Bernie whose main agenda is beating Trump, will not win this election.
Promise a strong economy.
Promise to make CONGRESSIONAL changes to the immigration laws.
Promise a true bipartisan, sensible and doable gun debate.

#61 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-08-21 01:34 PM | Reply

Because you have not presented me any compelling evidence that it is wrong. Only wishy-washy could-have-beens and maybes

Do you really not realize that's all you have too?

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-21 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you really not realize that's all you have too?

#62 | POSTED BY JOE

Of course I do. That is my point. Neither of us have compelling evidence one way or the other. So it all comes down to our underlying assumptions. We can debate back and forth, but it is unlikely for either of us to change our minds without any new data.

#63 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-21 03:42 PM | Reply

That's all i was saying. Good day sir

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-21 04:07 PM | Reply

Every president who was reelected in recent times had an approval rating over 50%. Trump has been stuck in the low 40 percentile since he was elected. Even Rasmussen, which is consistently an outlier to all other polling and skews more Republican, has him with a net negative approval rating of -6%.

This interactive set of graphs shows where every president was at this point and at 4 years (or any point) into their presidency. Trump's current average approval rating is 41.9% :

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-21 04:52 PM | Reply

"It's pretty obvious who the tantrum throwing child is. It's the guy who is pissed that the actual vote didn't match his imaginary vote counts." That nut is still arguing today that ha actually won the popular vote and that states had so many felonious fraudulent votes that he would have won otherwise. He's delusional or a liar or both.
#45 | POSTED BY DANNI

Why should this be so unusual for a politician.

Even your own Hillary was known to throw stuff at Bill when she was pissed.

#66 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-21 05:23 PM | Reply

"Every president who was reelected in recent times had an approval rating over 50%. Trump has been stuck in the low 40 percentile since he was elected. Even Rasmussen, which is consistently an outlier to all other polling and skews more Republican, has him with a net negative approval rating of -6%."

You're working under the assumption that Trump follows patterns of presidents in recent times and doesn't break precedents. You're clinging to a false security blanket.

#67 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-22 10:17 AM | Reply

Promise a strong economy.
Promise to make CONGRESSIONAL changes to the immigration laws.
Promise a true bipartisan, sensible and doable gun debate.

#61 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

See, and that's the problem.

Promising these things, like promising a "strong economy", "better and cheaper healthcare" or to "pay down the debt in 8 years" got Trump elected. He promised many things but he never gave any plans on how to get them done. And then he fails miserably.

Yet Republicans eat it up.

When Democrats do talk about a plan, Republicans tune out.

Rural America isn't about plans. They are about Promises and Jesus. Live there for a while and you'll figure it out.

Unfortunately the Dems are too stupid to accept this and talk about which bathroom can be used by whom and use $20 words like Deplorable when a 50 cent word like "Idiot" will work.

Step #1: Frame issues appropriately.
It's not a tax cut. It's a loan from China.

#68 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-22 05:02 PM | Reply

Nobody will ever vote democrat again until they're dead.

#69 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-22 07:38 PM | Reply

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