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Tuesday, August 20, 2019

This week, the US Department of Energy released a report that looks back on the state of wind power in the US by running the numbers on 2018. The analysis shows that wind hardware prices are dropping, even as new turbine designs are increasing the typical power generated by each turbine. As a result, recent wind farms have gotten so cheap that you can build and operate them for less than the expected cost of buying fuel for an equivalent natural gas plant.

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Don't tell Jeff. He'll have a conniption fit.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-20 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cheap windmill power and meatless burgers that aren't garbage?

If Trump stays in office any longer he will literally not recognize the country any more.

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-20 03:40 PM | Reply

Interesting article and although they speak quite a bit about the economics, they don't mention a crucial variable: Lifespan

Typically a lifespan of 225-30 years is associated with price of energy produced, much like the lifespan of an oil well when esitmating its profits and costs. However, the long the technology is around the more we are learning that 30 years is a pie in the sky figure. We are finding out their lifespan is more like 12-15 years

www.telegraph.co.uk

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 03:47 PM | Reply

How green is a wind turbine?

www.youtube.com

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-20 03:49 PM | Reply

"Companies are buying more #wind & #solar in response to investor engagement on #climaterisk."

Investor engagement? Translation: corporate virtue signalling.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-20 03:51 PM | Reply

"Investor engagement? Translation: corporate virtue signalling."

I don't care what their motivations are, I just want green energy.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-20 03:58 PM | Reply

If You Want Renewable Energy,' Get Ready to Dig

Building one wind turbine requires 900 tons of steel, 2,500 tons of concrete and 45 tons of plastic.

Democrats dream of powering society entirely with wind and solar farms combined with massive batteries. Realizing this dream would require the biggest expansion in mining the world has seen and would produce huge quantities of waste.

"Renewable energy" is a misnomer. Wind and solar machines and batteries are built from nonrenewable materials. And they wear out. Old equipment must be decommissioned, generating millions of tons of waste...

www.wsj.com

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-20 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I don't care what their motivations are, I just want green energy.
#6 | POSTED BY DANNI

Current manufacturing tech swaps one pollution for another; it creates an entirely different environmental disaster.

What you're not willing to do is sacrifice your energy consumption. Nobody is.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-20 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Clean energy is catching up to natural gas"

If your ideology requires you to nay say wind endergy don't read this lined article.

"Clean energy is catching up to natural gas"

www.vox.com

Realize Goatman's link was from 2012, much has changed since then.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-20 04:21 PM | Reply

My family saw the potential in windmills least far back as the 1800's.

They'd be delighted to see it overtake combustion engines as a power source.

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-20 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Realize Goatman's link was from 2012, much has changed since then.

#9 | POSTED BY DANNI"

What has changed? You say these things Danni and are very vague, and seldom, if ever provide citation. Yet when asked, you screech "TROLL!"

Please don't do that this time. I seriuosly want to know what has changed and what your source for information is.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 04:24 PM | Reply

10
You wear wooden clogs!!!

#12 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-08-20 04:25 PM | Reply

Goatman's link was from 2012, much has changed since then.
#9 | POSTED BY DANNI"

What has changed?
#11 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Nothing. 2012 was the end of all technological advancements.

Thank God Trump was elected so he could save coal!

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 04:27 PM | Reply

You wear wooden clogs!

Don't knock'em till you try'em.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-20 04:28 PM | Reply

Clogs were about 7-10 years before my time, but I was old enough to dig them when I saw the "cool" teenagers wear them.
Being in Buffalo, the clog trend probably reached us 10 years after they were cool in Cali though.

I'm guessing they were cool here in the mid 70s

#15 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-08-20 04:35 PM | Reply

This is a long overdue development, and there are so many windy areas (like the Altamont pass here in NorCal) that are perfect for wind power.

Natural Gas plants will always have a place as a reliable backup but new development should be limited to just that.

#16 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2019-08-20 04:49 PM | Reply

Texas is #1 in wind energy production in USA.

That wouldn't be happening in Oil Country if wind energy was not viable.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Texas is #1 in wind energy production in USA.

That wouldn't be happening in Oil Country if wind energy was not viable.

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Wow. Ya' think? You mean there are some states with wind farms that aren't viable? LOL

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 05:03 PM | Reply

The monied interests (read: oil and gas folks) here in Okiehomie are fighting wind power tooth and nail. They get the Air Force to prohibit windmills on large tracts that might be in the way of military planes. The get the local papers to editorialize against wind power. There are significant barriers to the transit of wind power across state lines. Despite all their efforts, wind and solar are responsible for about 25% of electric consumption in the state.

Out here, it's not a question of technology or price--it's a question of the loss of a lucrative way of life...

#19 | Posted by catdog at 2019-08-20 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 FTA Wind costs dropped over 50% from 2012.
cdn.arstechnica.net

#20 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11 I recall someone emphasizing the importance of reading comprehension, so what is your issue, too lazy to read, too stupid to understand or too stubborn to admit you are wrong?

#21 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You mean there are some states with wind farms that aren't viable?"

No, that's not what I mean.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-20 06:55 PM | Reply

so what is your issue, too lazy to read, too stupid to understand or too stubborn to admit you are wrong?

You just described 99% of the DR in one way or the other.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-20 08:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Please don't do that this time. I seriuosly want to know what has changed and what your source for information is."

I posted a link which explains it quite clearly. I'm not now going to summarize that article, either read it or don't but things changed dramatically during the 20teens. You'll hate me saying this but they are going to change dramatically over the next 20-30 years.
This discussion reminds me of the gas mileage discussian years ago, the manufacturers fought the regs but then easily created cars that exceeded the mileage requirements. Technology will win this battle, thankfully. The only thing which will prevent that is the fossil fuel industry using propaganda to cause people to doubt technology. Like you did here today with your article from 2012. Ancient history these days.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-20 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

?Out here, it's not a question of technology or price--it's a question of the loss of a lucrative way of life...?

I honestly sympathize so what are your neighbors doing about retraining to work in the Green Economy which is coming no matter how many right wingers deny it. Get trained, the jobs will be there. And they will be far better jobs than mining or drilling for gas and oil.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-20 08:37 PM | Reply

You should see the 150 wind turbine blades that come through my town. It's a sight to behold.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-20 08:54 PM | Reply

You should see the 150 foot wind turbine blades that come through my town. It's a sight to behold.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-20 08:55 PM | Reply

"You should see the 150 wind turbine blades that come through my town. It's a sight to behold.

#26 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

An ugly site. And going through a town? That's f'ed up.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 08:55 PM | Reply

It's a sight to behold.

You don't really grasp the scale of those things until you see a blade on the highway.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-20 09:00 PM | Reply

Clogs were about 7-10 years before my time, but I was old enough to dig them when I saw the "cool" teenagers wear them.
Being in Buffalo, the clog trend probably reached us 10 years after they were cool in Cali though.

I'm guessing they were cool here in the mid 70s

#15 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2019-08-20 04:35 PM | FLAG: The problem with clogs is that then comes clog dancing - OH NO!

#30 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-08-20 09:08 PM | Reply

#23 And some are all 3.
And some won't answer out of shame.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 10:07 PM | Reply

There is a massive wind farm above wheat fields near Hood River that is a sight to behold.

#32 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 10:11 PM | Reply

Green energy is unstoppable. Initially it was the socialists with vision that subsidized it, now it will be the capitalists that will profit from it.

The fossil fuel luddites will be mocked by history.

#33 | Posted by bored at 2019-08-20 10:15 PM | Reply

"Green energy is unstoppable. Initially it was the socialists with vision that subsidized it, now it will be the capitalists that will profit from it.
The fossil fuel luddites will be mocked by history.

#33 | POSTED BY BORED"

I'm all for it. And when it becomes feasible and viable, that is where my $$$ will go.

BUt it's not there yet.

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-20 10:47 PM | Reply

"Realize Goatman's link was from 2012, much has changed since then.
#9 | POSTED BY DANNI"
What has changed? You say these things Danni and are very vague, and seldom, if ever provide citation. Yet when asked, you screech "TROLL!"
Please don't do that this time. I seriuosly want to know what has changed and what your source for information is.
#11 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-20 04:24 PM

The squeaky wheel goeth round too much?;] Chinese are still ahead of manufacturing the improved solar collectors according to eBay, Amazon and Aliexpress, and I have no idea why we still debate the economic viability of bullet trains from LA to Los Vegas. We have to accept some costs are deliberately baked-in, such as non-competition, and with Trump he's benefiting China more than the United States in terms of manufacturing importation and exporting. I have no idea what the goal of tariffs is other than collusion with Russia?;p Which he is, does and has been doing since before he took office.

You do demand more citations than a traffic court.

#35 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-20 10:51 PM | Reply

There is a massive wind farm above wheat fields near Hood River that is a sight to behold.

South Alberta is full of turbines as well. They were pissing me off for a while since they mess up the landscape for photography. Then I realized I was pretty much tired of taking pictures of grass and clouds so these things might worth looking at. Thought some daylight slow shutter shots with a heavy ND filter might be interesting. After I spat out the fourth horsefly I gave up on that idea.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-20 10:56 PM | Reply

How good does that work when the wind stops blowing?

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-21 11:05 AM | Reply

How good does that work when the wind stops blowing?

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-08-21

The wind is always blowing someplace.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-21 11:34 AM | Reply

11 Troll!

#39 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-21 01:02 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Snippy, I'm surprised you aren't going with the "noise causes cancer" approach.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-08-21 02:36 PM | Reply

@ 37

Just find sniper house Hooked on Phonics working for you?

#41 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-21 02:39 PM | Reply

Happy extinction...we lost the american dream trying to appease to the most foolish amongst us in the USA.

#42 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-21 09:20 PM | Reply

I wonder if maintenance and replacement of the turbines/blade, etc. is factored into the cost rather than just the current output.

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-08-21 09:46 PM | Reply

non of you fools supporting nuke power should be commenting unless you find a way to store the "permanent" waste better than locally at the nuke plant!

#44 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-21 09:52 PM | Reply

wonder if this situation would be true if other forms of energy were subsidized to the same extent or left untaxed? About 40% of the cost of a gallon of gas is tax.

#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-08-22 12:26 PM | Reply

Investor engagement? Translation: corporate virtue signalling.

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-08-20 03:51 PM | REPLY

If they are doing what is right does it matter why?

www.kentucky.com

#46 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-22 01:51 PM | Reply

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