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Student loan debt held by disabled veterans will be forgiven under an order signed Wednesday by President Donald Trump. Trump said the order would direct the Department of Education to "eliminate every penny of federal student loan debt" owed by American veterans who are completely and permanently disabled.

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They probably don't have much since they have the GI Bill, and if in Texas the Hawthorne act which is pretty much identical to the GI Bill.

That's going to help a lot of vets, especially Texan ones. I'm going to have to pass this along to the good folks I push around in wheelchairs at the VA.. Thanks for the post Lee.

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:08 PM | Reply

finally trump does something right.

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:10 PM | Reply

Trump is good to veterans. His recently signed MIssion Act has gotten me some very expensive ($33,000 for a monthly injection) for my sever lung exacerbations according to my VA pulmonologist. SHe said it would have been very difficult for me to get this medicine a few months ago, but the Mission Act really streamlined the process.

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"finally trump does something right.

#2 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

He's done many things right, but TDS has blinded you to them. Perfect example, the Mission Act I just cited.

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

i meant lately, not ever.

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:12 PM | Reply

"TDS"

can we nix this bs talking point please?

it's really just a thinly veiled attempt at normalizing trumps usual abhorrent behavior by attacking normal people pointing out said behavior.

i really don't understand why you constantly deflect for this dumpster fire presidency, goat.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump is good to veterans."

unless they're veterans trying to gain citizenship.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:17 PM | Reply

"TDS"
can we nix this bs talking point please?
it's really just a thinly veiled attempt at normalizing trumps usual abhorrent behavior by attacking normal people pointing out said behavior.
i really don't understand why you constantly deflect for this dumpster fire presidency, goat.

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

OOH. Hit a nerve. I don't remember you getting your panties in a wad over ODS before January 20, 2017, so spare us the faux outrage, please.

As I have stated many times, I do not like Trump. I think he is an arrogant ------- amongst other things. But what seperates me from many other Trump haters here is that I'm not blinded by TDS.. I can see things objectively and give credit where credit's due. I don't feel the need to knee jerk and puke out "Trump sucks" every time I see a thread about him. If my objectivity makes me a bad person in a TDS sufferer's eyes, that's not on me.

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:22 PM | Reply

trump sucks.

objectively in just about every measurable way. as a potus and a himan.

you don't "see it" because you're here to "own the libs" and agreeing with us on "trump sucks" would bore you.

#9 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump supporters love it when Trump picks winners and losers.
Even when they're the losers.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 06:27 PM | Reply

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" I don't remember "

good thing your memory isn't the barometer for reality.

btw you STILL deflect to obama after all these years whenever trump does something awful. like cage children.

you're projecting, as usual.

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:29 PM | Reply

"TDS"

can we nix this bs talking point please?

it's really just a thinly veiled attempt at normalizing trumps usual abhorrent behavior by attacking normal people pointing out said behavior.

i really don't understand why you constantly deflect for this dumpster fire presidency, goat.

#6 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Politician Derangement Syndrome has been a thing ever since I started closely following politics.

Do you remember way back in 2004 how much crap got blamed on Clinton?

_DS is a thing, even with Trump.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-21 06:32 PM | Reply

"" I don't remember "
good thing your memory isn't the barometer for reality.
btw you STILL deflect to obama after all these years whenever trump does something awful. like cage children.
you're projecting, as usual.

#11 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

At least I don't have to lie by taking a quote out of context

ANd I didn't deflect to Obama. I stated I did not remember you getting upset over OBS. Reading and reading comprehension are fundamental.

This is hilarious, btw. THe last four interactions we've had you initiated them with troll bait and ou call me a troll.

Again, physician, heal thyself. Please. Your blatant hypocrisy is cringe-wprthy.

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

oh, now goat is calling me a liar for accurately pointing out his partisan hackery. You ALWAYS deflect to obama.

Have the last word, it's your raison detre

#14 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:39 PM | Reply

"ANd I didn't deflect to Obama."

whats OBS stand for, big guy?

thanks.

#15 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-21 06:40 PM | Reply

OBS stands for Obama Derangement Syndrome. And that is what I was talking about, a syndrome, not Obama. would you like me to diagraam it for you? Reading comprehension is fundamental.

I guess in your mind talking about Hoover Dam is saying something about speaking of the 31st president.

What a troll

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 06:46 PM | Reply

Trump to Award Himself Medal of Honor - www.politico.com

What an honor.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-21 09:47 PM | Reply

I wonder how he will get behind himself and put it around his own neck?

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 09:54 PM | Reply

Trump said the order would direct the Department of Education to "eliminate every penny of federal student loan debt" owed by American veterans who are completely and permanently disabled.

There's a lot of specific verbiage which will boil this attempt at a good gesture into not as much as it could have been.

Why not, "student loan forgiveness for all American vets"?

First, it has to be a "federal student loan", but it's the private loans that stick with you forever and usually make up the majority of the loans.

Then, it's only for vets who are "completely and permanently disabled", which, I agree is great, but doesn't go far enough.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is good to veterans. His recently signed MIssion Act has gotten me some very expensive ($33,000 for a monthly injection) for my sever lung exacerbations according to my VA pulmonologist. SHe said it would have been very difficult for me to get this medicine a few months ago, but the Mission Act really streamlined the process.

#3 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Nope, that's not right.

The Mission Act was set up to create revenue streams for Trump's corporate cronies in the very same way that DoD cut troop strength levels back in the 1990s [mostly the clerks and the jerks -- admin services, chow hall, billeting, transportation, etc.) ... and replaced them with defense contractors like Halliburton to provide those same services at higher, marked up prices.

The Veterans Health Administration was treated the same way by the Mission Act.

VA has 41,500 unfilled medical jobs, forcing vets into costly private care
www.usatoday.com

Study after study in out most prestigious medical journals, going back to 2005, have continuously concluded that VA Healthcare is better for veterans than what veterans can get in the private sector -- and I've posted these studies zillions of times.

Question: Why does our Congress always want to send veterans into the private sector for costlier and less quality healthcare, when Congress could strengthen the VA so veterans can get less expensive higher quality healthcare?

Answer: money - our government is corrupt

And it's not you who is getting paid.

It's good to hear that you got your pulmonary situation treated in a timely manner.

#20 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-21 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder how he will get behind himself and put it around his own neck?
#18 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Don't you worry.

Putin and Kim will lend a hand.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's a lot of specific verbiage which will boil this attempt at a good gesture into not as much as it could have been.

Why not, "student loan forgiveness for all American vets"?

First, it has to be a "federal student loan", but it's the private loans that stick with you forever and usually make up the majority of the loans.

Then, it's only for vets who are "completely and permanently disabled", which, I agree is great, but doesn't go far enough.

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Good point

The devil is always in the details.

#22 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-21 10:06 PM | Reply

The Mission Acct has helped me. My lungs have been going south for about three ears. It has gotten to the point that I have an exacerbation within days of being off of prednisone. One almost killed me on my own front door step.

They have done the usual stuff, but started getting to the more hardcore stuff like bronchial thermoplasty (three different surgical procedures), and a a $100,000 a year drug called Nucala. I saw little improvement.

I just started an even more expensive drug called Fesenra with is a once a month injection costing $33,000 per injection. My Pulmonologist told me if not for the Mission Act, it would have taken months to get it approved if it got approved at all. She wrote up a justification and I got my first injection a week lat

THe drug is supposed to stop production of eosinophiles (don't know if I spelled it right). I don't know if it will work or not because it takes at least 3 injections to see results and I just had my second one a week ago. But again, I have the Mission Act to thank.

Funny, four years ago we were in opposite sides of the VA related issues. LOL

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 10:23 PM | Reply

Funny, four years ago we were in opposite sides of the VA related issues. LOL

#23 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

I understand what you're saying, and what your pulmonologist said and was prescribed to you.

If you say the Mission Act helped you, then I believe you. If you want to say that, it's okay with me.

My issue isn't you, it's what the medical journals say compared to the VA being chronically short-staffed of doctors and nurses.

You served the country honorably, and I'm happy for you that you got the care you needed.

And it's pretty awesome that you volunteer in helping fellow veterans.

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-21 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And it's pretty awesome that you volunteer in helping fellow veterans.

#24 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF"

Well, I admit part of it is selfishness. Chatting and helping these guys (and a few women) by pushing their wheelchairs from one clinic to another or rom the hospital to imaging, or whatever, fills a spot in my life that my family used to fill.

Also, I need exercise, but it is difficult because I never know when my lungs are going to decide to stop working. So I get exercise pushing wheelchair bound people around and in an air conditined environment. If I have an exacerbation, what better place than a hospital, right?

so it's a win/win. And I meet some great people. I love the privilege of pushing around one of the very rare WW2 vets. ------- amazing folks, they are. I hardly see them any more.

But it is sad, also. I see way too many young men without legs both during volunteer work and as a patient at a clinic. Oddly enough, few seem bitter and angry at Uncle Sam. But it's sad, nonetheless.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Cool anecdote, Goat.

Now, find a way to cook an insane meal for these vets and avoid all of the insane licensing and crap so that they can enjoy a next-level meal. THAT would be even more cool IMO.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-21 11:21 PM | Reply

Jeff, we are encouraged to talk with the vets, not just push them aroud silently. This includes while waiting with them somewhere or even in their hospital rooms.

Having been an inpatient there, I know the food is crappy, and I sometimes take an extra sandwich if I know I'm going to be there at lunchtime to share with a patient. They appreciate it. One guy once asked me to bring him in a Whataburger, and I did the next day. LOL

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 11:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And I meet some great people. I love the privilege of pushing around one of the very rare WW2 vets. ------- amazing folks, they are. I hardly see them any more.

#25 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

You're right about meeting amazing people ... I had one patient who was a navigator on a B-17 over Schweinfurt ... another who was a guard during Nuremberg Trials and talked to Hermann Goering ... another who was at Leyte Gulf when MacArthur waded ashore ... another [not WWII] who was on JFK's Honor Guard ... they are getting fewer and fewer.

Keep on keeping on with those vets in Texas, they need you, Big Fella!

And careful around those wheelchairs ... use plenty of hand santizer foam for your protection and the patients.

#28 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-21 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In other news people declared totally and completely disabled have been able to discharge student loans since the formation of the federal student loan program.

www.disabilitydischarge.com

Trump signed an executive order that didn't actually change anything

#29 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-21 11:47 PM | Reply

"rump signed an executive order that didn't actually change anything

#29 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 "

Acgtually it did. Not all disabled vets are totally and completely disable.d. The new order catches many more. I'm 10% disable because of tinnitus, the easiest form of disability there is to get from the VA. So if I had a student loan, it would be forgiven, whereas I wouldn't be otherwise because I amm not totally disabled.

So you ar wrong.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 11:51 PM | Reply

#28 and #25

Loaf and Goat,

A nearby airport/museum has a a functional B-25 that they fly on occasion. I LOVE hearing that booming bass coming from those propellers!

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 Thanks for your VA help...some do respect vets.

#32 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-22 02:00 AM | Reply

"#1 Thanks for your VA help...some do respect vets.

#32 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN "

I'm a veteran and the San Antonio VA system is great. I don't pay premiums, so I figure volunteering some of my time is the least I can do.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 02:08 AM | Reply

NOTE: Anyone on SSDI disability can have their student debt forgiven too.

The program to forgive disabled vet's student debt has been in place for years, based on a 1965 law.

What this change does is automatically opt disabled vets in without having to fill out any paperwork.

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-22 07:00 AM | Reply

some do respect vets.

#32 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN "

You obviously don't.

#35 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-22 08:11 AM | Reply

Then, it's only for vets who are "completely and permanently disabled", which, I agree is great, but doesn't go far enough.

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Why? Don't they already get GI bill benefits? Are those not very large or easy to get?

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-22 09:18 AM | Reply

Acgtually it did. Not all disabled vets are totally and completely disable.d. The new order catches many more. I'm 10% disable because of tinnitus, the easiest form of disability there is to get from the VA. So if I had a student loan, it would be forgiven, whereas I wouldn't be otherwise because I amm not totally disabled.
So you ar wrong.

#30 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-21 11:51 PM | REPLY

No, I'm not. The executive order specifically says completely and permanently disabled. No change

Trump said the order would direct the Department of Education to "eliminate every penny of federal student loan debt" owed by American veterans who are completely and permanently disabled.

#37 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-22 09:57 AM | Reply

What this change does is automatically opt disabled vets in without having to fill out any paperwork.

Honestly that is a huge thing. Being disabled is a crap ton of paperwork, plus following up with doctors, keeping tabs on the insurance companies, if you need any help from the government add another crap ton of paperwork plus in person meetings (frequently you have to go there which is a joy when disabled).

So if it does nothing else than take one worry off of a disabled vet then it is good.

#38 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-08-22 06:10 PM | Reply

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