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Thursday, August 22, 2019

Kanrei: I've stayed silent for a long time and I can't hold my tongue any longer. My retirement continues, but I got to get this stuff out. First it was Mexicans are rapists and criminals while "some I assume are also good people." A neo-Nazi rally where chants of "Jews will not replace us" by torch-welding marchers was described as "good people on both sides." Hispanic immigrants are referred to as an invaders who are coming to "replace" you. Mostly black neighborhoods and cities are described as "rodent infested." Jewish people who don't support him are disloyal to "the King of the Jews" and the "Chosen One." If he ain't a racist bigoted xenophobe, he sure does a great impression of one.

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Then there are the less subtle dog whistles he likes to employ most people miss due to a lack of historic knowledge.

It is impossible to hear Trump proclaim this nation is full and not think of the Voyage of the Damned and the MS St. Louis.

It is impossible to hear "America for Americans" and not think of those first few solutions the Germans tried before reaching that "final" one: things like German-first laws, laws restricting non-German business ownership, etc.

It is impossible to see families arrested for seeking asylum (no one seeking asylum can be an illegal immigrant since the laws allow one to enter anywhere to get asylum) and not think of internment camps if not concentration camps.

I can already hear some of you screaming "Godwin's Rule," but I refuse to allow Nazi-like behavior to hide behind some little internet meme. If you don't like the comparisons then stop the behavior that is so strikingly similar.

What has me so outraged however is this Jewish identity politics trump is engaging in to try and shift focus away from his overt racism and to try to normalize it under "everyone does it too." Disloyal! Dis-freaking-loyal! How many times have I had that accusation thrown at me because it was assumed I had split loyalties between America and Israel and how ironic to now have that same accusation thrown about for NOT supporting Israel.

It is like my family joke: What country are we from? Depends on when you ask as we stayed in one place but the borders kept moving. Well, I have kept the same opinion on Israel and I am called disloyal regardless of the assumed opinion that is.

Are the "Squad" anti-Semitic: Dunno. They clearly don't like Israel, but dislike of one is not dislike of the other. Ask any evangelical who loves Israel but believes Jews are Hell-bound for not accepting Christ if you can support one and not the other.

Saying people only support Israel "for the Benjamins" is not racist if said support comes from financial donations. You know what is anti-Semitic? If you thought of Jewish people when you heard "Benjamins" then you might be one. I thought of the slang term for $100 bills.

You know what is anti-Semitic? Assuming Jewish people are monolithic in thought with the Israeli PM as the Queen Bee driving the hive.

In my way of seeing things, America is MY Chosen land and Americans are my Chosen people because it is in America I am free to be the Jew I feel I should be. Even in Israel there is a constant threat to your life simply for being Jewish, but not in America.

I never have had split loyalties and I am proud of my Jewish faith. And I am a proud American which is why, while may not agree with the Squad, I believe in that quaint American concept of "I may not like what you say but I would die for your right to say it."

Now for the million dollar question: Do I honestly believe Donald Trump is a racist? No, I believe he is a narcissistic megalomaniac who sees things like "racism" and "xenophobia" and "us vs them" as tools to help feed his ego.

I don't believe he has enough core values to even have misguided values.

In other words I don't believe he is racist because I don't believe he cares enough about anything other than himself. Thank you for your time. I probably will not have opportunity to respond, so have fun.

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Good to see you. Did you beat the cancer?

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:15 PM | Reply

What!!!!!!

Kanrei is back!

Did all the threads where everyone listed you as the poster we all miss the most convince you to come back?

Either way.

Hope you're well. Welcome back dude. Look forward to reading from you for as long as you're willing to stick around.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 07:21 PM | Reply

Also, very well written thread. Hope it helped you feel better getting all of that off your mind.

Now that I've read what you've written I don't expect you're planning on sticking around. Not that I blame you. You've literally opened up the flood gates for the xenophobic trolls and naziesque Trumpublicans to start bashing you.

Anyone with any common sense who isn't a partisan shill should see Trump's actions and behavior exactly as you've described and listed.

But many are happy Trump is stopping any progress our nation has been making. More of them are just happy to see Trump pwn the libs. They'd happily watch the nation burn if it meant democrats were upset.

Anyway. Glad you stopped by. Hope you're better.

All my best dude.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 07:29 PM | Reply

Clownshack just HAD to gratuitiously turn a non-political happy thread into a Trump/republican hate bash. I mean really -- who's the shill you warn against?

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:33 PM | Reply

Goat,

Non political?

Did you read anything Kanrei wrote?

Much to your dismay. I agree with everything Kanrei wrote.

He was calling people like you and your ilk out.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yes. He mentions Trump, but doesn't get hateful. Says nothing about Republicans

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:38 PM | Reply

Trump says lot about Republicans.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 07:39 PM | Reply

"He was calling people like you and your ilk out.

#5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

I didn't' see that, but you'll see what you want to see.

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:39 PM | Reply

"Trump says lot about Republicans.

#7 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Yea, politicians usually do say a lot about their political party. Thanks, Cap'n obvious.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 07:41 PM | Reply

I didn't' see that, but you'll see what you want to see.
#8 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You didn't realize the thread was extremely political and not a "non-political happy thread" either.

Apparently you don't know what the fffk Kanrei wrote about.

You are doing a fantastic job of being clueless.

Keep it up dummy. It's a good look for you.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Yea, politicians usually do say a lot about their political party"

So then Kanrei did in fact say plenty about Republicans, merely by discussing the de facto head of the GOP and current GOP President.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-21 07:46 PM | Reply

He mentions Trump, but doesn't get hateful. Says nothing about Republicans
#6 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

He hates Trump and calls Trumpublicans Nazis.

Again. It would help you to read what he wrote.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-21 07:47 PM | Reply

Kanrei says of course this thread is political. Anybody who suggests otherwise is either disingenuous or a fool.

Source: Kanrei

#13 | Posted by Hagbard_celine at 2019-08-21 08:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"#13 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE "

Ask Kanrei if he beat his cancer. I sincerely want to know.

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 08:42 PM | Reply

#14 -- I hope no news is good news. I like Kanrei.

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-21 09:52 PM | Reply

I agree with Kanrei. In fact I've said it many times.

"Now for the million dollar question: do I honestly believe Donald Trump is a racist? No, I believe he is a narcissistic megalomaniac who sees things like "racism" and "xenophobia" and "us vs them" as tools to help feed his ego. I don't . believe he has enough core values to even have misguided values. In other words I don't believe he is racist because I don't believe he cares enough about anything other than himself."

I hope you're doing well, Kanrei!

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-21 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyway. Glad you stopped by. Hope you're better.

All my best dude.

YES! DITTO!!

I'm sorry that the situation in the United States has driven you to the point where you had to post what you did, and I'm grateful you did. Accurate, well-stated, to the point. Thank you, Kanrei.

#17 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-21 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The first half of Kanrei's screed was terribly inaccurate in terms of how it was framed - from a factual standpoint. The second half was mostly very good and it was great to see him make a cameo.

I hope life is well with you, Kanrei. Keep fighting the good fight and just reinforce your understanding that you don't have to hate someone with whom you disagree. I know I'm preaching to the choir but I think that is a sentiment that you've articulated better than anybody else on this site.

Take care of yourself and keep an eye out for those damned Burmese pythons.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-21 10:55 PM | Reply

Well Hello there!

Sick of Stable Genius too, I see?

Who isn't.

#19 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-22 08:27 AM | Reply

I agree with just about everything Kanrei said but I do think Trump is a racist because he has a long history of racist behavior.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-22 12:23 PM | Reply

#20 Kanrei has spoken, Danni, and returned to the Ether. For it is written; "No." KANREI 8.21, 7.10PM

You dare challenge a Retort God from your Florida condo? Methinks not, Apostate.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 12:55 PM | Reply

Keep fighting the good fight and just reinforce your understanding that you don't have to hate someone with whom you disagree.

I really wish you guys would stop saying this.

It's not a mere disagreement. It's you guys supporting and enabling an objectively horrible person as they use division and hate to destroy our society.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-22 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Kanrei...

Stay strong my warrior friend. It's great hearing from you!

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-22 07:46 PM | Reply

Great thread, Kanrei. Spot on. Good to see you again :)

BTW, I don't view criticism of Israel over their treatment of Palestinians as antisemitic. Israel has taken half the land Palestinians were ceded and are an occupying force who don't treat them very well.

IMO, that view doesn't make me antisemitic. I am not. At all. It just means I feel all people should be treated with respect, not like Jews have been treated in other countries throughout recorded history.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-22 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good to see you posting again, even if it's just once. Take care and I sincerely hope health is better.

#25 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-22 08:09 PM | Reply

The first half of Kanrei's screed was terribly inaccurate in terms of how it was framed - from a factual standpoint

Feel free to refute it. Should be easy considering how terribly inaccurate you say it is.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 08:23 PM | Reply

Feel free to refute it. Should be easy considering how terribly inaccurate you say it is.

#26 | POSTED BY JOE

The "dog-whistle" comparisons to actual Nazi concentration camps. AOC recently took a ton of flack for making a slightly more subtle comparison.

Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 08:42 PM | Reply

Keep fighting the good fight and just reinforce your understanding that you don't have to hate someone with whom you disagree.
----
I really wish you guys would stop saying this.

It's not a mere disagreement.

#22 | POSTED BY JPW

In many, many cases, yes it is mere disagreement, even as it pertains to at least some of Trump's actual supporters.

In my earlier experiences in life, working in a retail environment in close proximity to some really terrible neighborhoods, at most 10% were truly bad people. And that was a sampling that wasn't a microcosm of the greater population at large. Plymouth road and Telegraph and Michigan Ave and Greenfield - pretty tough areas yet most of the people I dealt with - at least 90% - were OK people.

You act like 90% of people who self-identify as 'conservative' are the absolute dregs of society.

How much of a bubble do you live in?

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 08:49 PM | Reply

"It's not a mere disagreement. It's you guys supporting and enabling an objectively horrible person as they use division and hate to destroy our society."

People who say "don't feed the troll" are not in any way enabling the troll. It's the people who react in exactly the way the troll wants.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-22 08:52 PM | Reply

Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?

Remotely? Yes.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 08:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Regardless, that's not a factual issue like you claimed it was - you take issue with his use of hyperbole.

Where is your factual dispute with what he said?

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 08:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The "dog-whistle" comparisons to actual Nazi concentration camps.

Tons of people correctly compare these detention centers to concentration camps. Especially since the Trump administration recently extended the time period people can be held in them.

AOC recently took a ton of flack for making a slightly more subtle comparison

From a bunch of conservatives, ooo la la.

Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?
#27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

"Even remotely"? Absolute. Perhaps you should educate yourself on them.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 08:58 PM | Reply

"Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?

POSTED BY JEFFJ "

When a weak minded hyper-partisan is told something by his party masters, he believes it no matter how absurd it is. And he'll never change his mind until his party masters tell him something different.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:07 PM | Reply

Remotely? Yes.

#30 | POSTED BY JOE

"Even remotely"? Absolute. Perhaps you should educate yourself on them.

#32 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Wow. Pick up a good WWII history book, guys. The lack of perspective is astonishing.

Regardless, that's not a factual issue like you claimed it was - you take issue with his use of hyperbole.

Where is your factual dispute with what he said?

#31 | POSTED BY JOE

Comparing these detention centers is beyond absurd. Yeah, that's a factual thing. It's a perspective thing.

AOC recently took a ton of flack for making a slightly more subtle comparison
--------
From a bunch of conservatives, ooo la la.

No. She took flak from all sides.

Do either of you truly understand what took place at Nazi concentration camps? The sociopathic slaughter and cruelty is almost unimaginable.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:08 PM | Reply

""Even remotely"? Absolute.

#32 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

LOL I guess the jews were just too stupid to walk away as the people in the border detention centers have a right to do.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:09 PM | Reply

#34 Pick up a dictionary and look up the word "remote."

Yeah, that's a factual thing. It's a perspective thing.

You think "facts" are the same thing as "perspective?" Maybe i give you more credit than you deserve.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 09:12 PM | Reply

Pick up a good WWII history book, guys. The lack of perspective is astonishing.

Absolutely, you seem utterly clueless as to what concentration camps are.

They were used before the Nazis started implementing the final solution.

You're acting like on day one of the Nazi movement in Germany Hitler and his goons started gassing Jews.

You're absolutely ignorant if that's what you believe.

It was a long slow process and the dehumanizing of gypsies, commies, blacks, homosexuals, and Jews had to be subtle.

Well, not as much for the gypsies, gays and commies. People really didn't care what happened to them. Much the same way as people currently don't care what's happening to the people being separated and incarcerated at our borders.

You don't care what's going on. You're more upset with rhetoric than with the actual actions being taken.

You'd have so easily become a Nazi.

Who knows, there may still be an opportunity in the future.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

LOL I guess the jews were just too stupid to walk away as the people in the border detention centers have a right to do.
#35 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

The people in detention centers can't just walk away, moron.

And after it was clear to the Jews in Germany it would be safer for them to flee. Many stayed.

LOL!

Tragedy is hilarious!!

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 09:17 PM | Reply

"Do either of you truly understand what took place at Nazi concentration camps?"

People were imprisoned until they were sent to Nazi death camps?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:18 PM | Reply

"I guess the jews were just too stupid to walk away as the people in the border detention centers have a right to do."

Immigrants: Stupider than Jews!

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:19 PM | Reply

"And after it was clear to the Jews in Germany it would be safer for them to flee. Many stayed."

Stupid Nazis.
They should have built a Wall, to keep them all from fleeing.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:20 PM | Reply

"Immigrants: Stupider than Jews!

#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Not taking the bait, troll.

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:22 PM | Reply

It's your bait, Goatman.

I just cleaned it for you.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, FFS Clown.

The comparison, obviously intended, was between Nazi concentration camps and these detention centers. You know it so quit being disingenuous about it.

You think "facts" are the same thing as "perspective?" Maybe i give you more credit than you deserve.

#36 | POSTED BY JOE

By any objective measure a Nazi concentration camp and these detention centers are not even remotely comparable.

To be remotely comparable only a small handful of detainees would be burned alive in giant ovens, which clearly isn't happening. That's just one of many possible examples of how these two

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:23 PM | Reply

Any of these detainees are free to go back from where they came. All they have to do is make the request.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:24 PM | Reply

"By any objective measure a Nazi concentration camp and these detention centers are not even remotely comparable."

You are absolutely and unequivocal wrong.

Concentration camps are very comparable to concentration camps, whether they're run by FDR or Trump.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Alright. I'm out for a while. I only have 5000 steps and need to at least double that. If I don't make it back later, have a great evening guys.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:25 PM | Reply

#44 Your inability to comprehend the phrase "remotely comparable" is your problem, not mine. You pretend it's only an issue of scale, rather than distinct comparability. Or maybe you really think these stupid things. Not sure, don't care.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 09:26 PM | Reply

"Any of these detainees are free to go back from where they came. All they have to do is make the request.
#45 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Free to leave without their children, free to leave without their parents?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

JeffJ always dumps a huge load before he walks away.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Any of these detainees are free to go back from where they came.

Even the 4 year olds who have no clue where their parents are?

Just hop a Greyhound then?

You claim to have kids. That's pretty sick.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Concentration camps are very comparable to concentration camps, whether they're run by FDR or Trump.

#46 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-08-22 09:25 PM |

Reading is fundamental.

I'll reproduce my comment and put the pertinent part in bold, to make comprehension easier...

"By any objective measure a Nazi concentration camp and these detention centers are not even remotely comparable."

FFS. It was right there in the sentence you reproduced. Is it fun being dishonest as often as you are?

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:27 PM | Reply

#52 Concentration camps are always comparable to concentration camps, whether they're run by FDR or Hitler.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Even the 4 year olds who have no clue where their parents are?

#51 | POSTED BY JOE

That is a problem. Oftentimes these kids aren't with their parents. They are being trafficked. I guess we should just enable and reward human traficking, eh Joe?

Yes, I have kids and I would NEVER traffic them.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:30 PM | Reply

" Concentration camps are always comparable to concentration camps, whether they're run by FDR or Hitler.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Get the Jews from Hitler's concentration camps to compare notes with FDR's Japanese internment camps and see if they agree with you

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:31 PM | Reply

JeffJ always dumps a huge load before he walks away.

#50 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

My life extends beyond this blog.

#52 Concentration camps are always comparable to concentration camps, whether they're run by FDR or Hitler.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Dumbest post of the night. Heck, dumbest post of the month. Maybe Joe will second it. I don't care.

Later all. My walking is more important than this discussion.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:31 PM | Reply

"By any objective measure a Nazi concentration camp and these detention centers are not even remotely comparable."

There are many objective measures:
Number of camps
Number of detainees
Reasons for detention
Duration of detention
Final disposition of detainees

All objective measures, by which the two can be readily compared.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

www.haaretz.com

Opinion Donald Trump Is Still Setting Up Concentration Camps on American Soil
It is an earlier incarnation of Auschwitz, a place of indefinite detention for a vilified minority, that we saw on our border this week. The president's executive order offers no evidence this will change

www.esquire.com

urely, the United States of America could not operate concentration camps. In the American consciousness, the term is synonymous with the Nazi death machines across the European continent that the Allies began the process of dismantling 75 years ago this month. But while the world-historical horrors of the Holocaust are unmatched, they are only the most extreme and inhuman manifestation of a concentration-camp system"which, according to Andrea Pitzer, author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, has a more global definition. There have been concentration camps in France, South Africa, Cuba, the Soviet Union, and"with Japanese internment"the United States. In fact, she contends we are operating such a system right now in response to a very real spike in arrivals at our southern border.

"We have what I would call a concentration camp system," Pitzer says, "and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial."

#58 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-22 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Your refusal to understand is what's more important to you than this discussion.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oftentimes these kids aren't with their parents. They are being trafficked. I guess we should just enable and reward human traficking, eh Joe?

How is that a response to my post in any way?

You said "any" of these detainees are free to leave and go home. The fact that many of them are children who have been forcibly separated from their parents by someone you're unwilling to criticize appears to be very inconvenient for you.

Are you saying we should treat all children as though they've been trafficked?

Don't even answer that, you sociopath.

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There are many objective measures:
Number of camps
Number of detainees
Reasons for detention
Duration of detention
Final disposition of detainees
All objective measures, by which the two can be readily compared.

#57 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

That's like looking at comparables on a house you are buying and comparing number of tiles in the bathroom and pretending that's meaningful.

But you know that, troll

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:38 PM | Reply

"Any of these detainees are free to go back from where they came."

I am so tired of this lie.

you people are sick. You deserve 4 more years of trump. these kids don't, though.

#62 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 09:39 PM | Reply

"Oftentimes these kids aren't with their parents."

"Oftentimes"?!?

Let me guess: you're using Republican Math, where "often" = whatever percentage fits your agenda.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-22 09:40 PM | Reply

" am so tired of this lie.
you people are sick. You deserve 4 more years of trump. these kids don't, though.

#62 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Blah, blah, blah. another, "You are wrong" and nothing to back up their position.

#64 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:41 PM | Reply

"That's like looking at comparables on a house you are buying and comparing number of tiles in the bathroom and pretending that's meaningful."

It's not like that.
But even that could be meaningful, if you want a house with a tile bathroom, and not that laminate crap.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:44 PM | Reply

""Oftentimes these kids aren't with their parents.""

What is "oftentimeS"? What percentage? It can't be that many. I mean kids crossing Mexico from Honduras alone without parent or guardian? How did they even survive? I guess they had a toothbrush they couldn't get in America.

#66 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:44 PM | Reply

goatman- so babies are free to leave?

do tell.

#67 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 09:44 PM | Reply

The comparison, obviously intended, was between Nazi concentration camps and these detention centers.

Just because you add the word "Nazi" to "concentration camp", it doesn't change the meaning of the word "concentration camp".

Also. A fact you keep ignoring. The Nazi's "Final Solution", to kill all the Jews, wasn't their "First Solution".

You also keep ignoring the fact that the people of Germany looked the other way when the Nazis were rounding up the gypsies commies gays and black people in Germany.

The Gypsies were the "illegal immigrants" of Germany. So rounding them up wasn't even questioned.

Much the same as the illegal immigrants we're rounding up and putting in detention centers along the border.

Again. You may need to educate yourself more.

Enjoy your walk.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 09:46 PM | Reply

"I guess they had a toothbrush they couldn't get in America."

and you wonder why i think you people are sick.

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 09:46 PM | Reply

But I like how you numbers of people interned at detention camps to number of tiles in a bathroom.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:46 PM | Reply

"It can't be that many."

Yet it rises to 100% once they are placed in concentration camps.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:47 PM | Reply

"goatman- so babies are free to leave?
do tell.

#67 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Of course, but it would be with their parents, silly. Or did they crawl across the Chihuahuan desert unaided?

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:47 PM | Reply

"goatman- so babies are free to leave?
do tell.
#67 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "
Of course, but it would be with their parents"

Their parents are being detained separately.
How do they pull this off?
???

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 09:48 PM | Reply

"Yet it rises to 100% once they are placed in concentration camps.

#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Citation needed

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:48 PM | Reply

goatman- so your position is that the US govt is able and willing to reunite families to deport them?

#75 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 09:49 PM | Reply

Their parents are being detained separately.

Not sure if they started keeping track of where they're sending the parents and kids. But last I heard, they had no way of reuniting these families.

And that's of course ignoring the children who were misplaced and lost.

But. Don't pay that any attention.

Keep harping on the verbiage.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 09:51 PM | Reply

"Their parents are being detained separately.
How do they pull this off?
???

#73 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Well since that policy of Child separation has stopped with exceptins (kids with lice, disease, e.g.) those kids obviously stay.

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:51 PM | Reply

"goatman- so your position is that the US govt is able and willing to reunite families to deport them?

#75 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

The ones in the detention centers, yes. But I don't think called deportation if they leave of their own free will. Deportation is a legal proceedint.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:53 PM | Reply

goatman- you're just making ---- up now.

i don't know if it's to troll, or to make yourself feel better, and i don't care.

maybe you'll have a soul in your next life.

#79 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 09:54 PM | Reply

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

Nazi officials established the first concentration camp, Dachau, on March 22, 1933, for political prisoners. It was later used as a model for an expanded and centralized concentration camp system managed by the SS.

2
What distinguishes a concentration camp from a prison (in the modern sense) is that it functions outside of a judicial system. The prisoners are not indicted or convicted of any crime by judicial process.

3
The major purpose of the earliest concentration camps during the 1930s was to imprison and intimidate the leaders of political, social, and cultural movements that the Nazis perceived to be a threat to the survival of the regime.

#80 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-22 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"and you wonder why i think you people are sick.

#69 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Spare me your faux outrage. I didn't see you get in a tizzy when lefties wished stroke inducd paralysis on a person or as recently as yesterday wish for a child to get hit by a truck.

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 09:58 PM | Reply

"goatman- you're just making ---- up now.

#79 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

What do you feel is fabricated? Unlike you, I'm willing to provide a link.

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:00 PM | Reply

PS: If I do, you have to promise to provide me citations when I ask for them.

Deal?

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:00 PM | Reply

"I didn't see you get in a tizzy when lefties wished stroke inducd paralysis on a person or as recently as yesterday wish for a child to get hit by a truck."

Meanwhile, you did get in a tizzy about those things, just not about concentration camps on our border.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 10:02 PM | Reply

"I didn't see you get in a tizzy when lefties wished stroke inducd paralysis on a person or as recently as yesterday wish for a child to get hit by a truck."

didn't see it. gfy!

#85 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:02 PM | Reply

"goatman- so your position is that the US govt is able and willing to reunite families to deport them?
#75 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"
The ones in the detention centers, yes.
#78 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

Meanwhile, back in reality:
Trump Administration: Reuniting Some Separated Migrant Families Might Be Too Hard
nymag.com

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 10:04 PM | Reply

Yes, I have kids and I would NEVER traffic them.
#54 | Posted by JeffJ

Jeff just won the "Made it Over the Lowest Parenting Bar" award.

Congrats

#87 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-22 10:05 PM | Reply

snoofy- he would rather hide in semantics than discuss the evil trump is doing.

next will be a false equivalency and deflection to obama.

I repeat: these people are mentally sick.

#88 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:05 PM | Reply

"Well since that policy of Child separation has stopped with exceptins (kids with lice, disease, e.g.) those kids obviously stay.
POSTED BY GOATMAN"

Meanwhile, back in reality:
Trump's family separation policy never really ended. This is why.
www.nbcnews.com
"And so despite the end of the zero tolerance policy, children have continued to be separated from parents only charged with the so-called crime of entering the country illegally, according to the government's own data released to the Houston Chronicle."

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"snoofy- he would rather hide in semantics than discuss the evil trump is doing."

Allow me to clarify:
He would rather hide in semantics than do just about anything else.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 10:08 PM | Reply

But I like how you numbers of people interned at detention camps to number of tiles in a bathroom.
#70 | Posted by snoofy

Give Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- enough time and i'm sure he will try to convert immigrant babies into bathroom tiles.

#91 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-22 10:09 PM | Reply

snoofy- you're a better man than me, googling the obvious for stupids.

i've lost my patience with that at this point. We haven't collectively learned a damn thing since FDRs camps.

#92 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:09 PM | Reply

"We haven't collectively learned a damn thing since FDRs camps."

Some of us have.
Some of us have learned how to love Big Brother and his camps.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 10:12 PM | Reply

""
i've lost my patience with that at this point. We haven't collectively learned a damn thing since FDRs camps.

#92 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

When you have nothing, start the name calling. And that's all you ever have, alex. You never provide facts. You must jerk your knee and say, "Your wrong" or call people names.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

I provide facts. I'll give links to credible sources. I don't call people names.s But somehow, hou think you are better than me. LOL

#94 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

goatman- snoofy just destroyed you with links and facts.

but you'd rather name call me.

"physician heal thyself"?

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:14 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

The House Committee on Oversight and Reform reported in July 2019, that over 700 children have been separated from their parents after the policy's official end.[23] As many as five children per day are being separated

#96 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-22 10:15 PM | Reply

"But somehow, hou think you are better than me."

you're a liar, a troll, and an enabler for gestapo behavior.

I am better than you. So is everyone in this thread. You are scum.

#97 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"just destroyed you with links and facts.
but you'd rather name call me.
"physician heal thyself"?

#95 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Actually, I don't think snoofy read that link, because a lot of it makes sense.

But I wasn't talking about snoofy,, Mr. Deflection. I was talking about YOU. You never provide facts. you name call, you just jerk your knee and squeal, "You're wrong" when you see my name. Own it

#98 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:17 PM | Reply

Alexandrite: You really need to come off of your lofty perch. Learn to debate like an adult. LEarn to provide facts. Learn that only children use name calling as a debate technique. Learn all this and quit pretending you are better than others.

#99 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:18 PM | Reply

"you're a liar, a troll, and an enabler for gestapo behavior.
I am better than you. So is everyone in this thread. You are scum.

#97 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

LOL

Thanks for supporting my point, Alex. OH and adding a bit of Godwin's law to it is a nice touch!

Now that you have self declared you are better than me, go buy yourself a trophy and cuddle with it tonight. LOL

#100 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:20 PM | Reply

i do provide facts, i just haven't linked to anything ON this thread.

why?

because i've had this argument 600 times with sentinel among others and No amount of links change your lies.

tomorrow you will repeat the same lies you typed here about children being free to leave, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO MEANS TO REUNITE THESE FAMILIES.

you know that, but you pretend not to get it, cry about personal attacks while personally attacking everyone, and troll.

you are scum.

#101 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"So is everyone in this thread. You are scum.
#97 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE ""

Argumentum ad populum.

If you everr want to debate honestly, that is a logical fallacy and loses you points. Just trying to help.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:21 PM | Reply

"Learn to debate like an adult."

-Goatman, the most dishonest poster here.

LOL

#103 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you are scum.

#101 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRIT"

Thanks for again supporting my point, even if it is faux outrage.

And cap locks! The hits just keep on coming! lOL

#104 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:23 PM | Reply

I have kids and I would NEVER traffic them.
#54 | Posted by JeffJ

You're never going to be in a position to even have to consider that. (Hopefully)

You seem to think people are migrating to America for shhts and giggles.

Stop being so obtuse.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Goatman, the most dishonest poster here.
LOL

#103 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Again: Logical fallacy. Or feel free to prove me wrong and provide data. This one is espeddially funny considering you rarely, if ever, provide links to what you waya whereas that is a common habit of mine. LOL Actions speak louger that hysterical hate words.

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well since that policy of Child separation has stopped with exceptins (kids with lice, disease, e.g.) those kids obviously stay.
POSTED BY GOATMAN"

lie.

www.google.com

happy?

#107 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I provide facts. I'll give links to credible sources.

Yeah. The Moonie Times and then went on and on criticizing me because I refused to bother with reading that crap. You don't give facts. You give opinions that you think are facts. All to repeat a false narrative.

#108 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"tomorrow you will repeat the same lies you typed here ...

#101 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

"Alleged lies". And tomorrow you will screech and squeal and provide no rebuttal other than a few schoolyard tauants.

#109 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:28 PM | Reply

"You really need to come off of your lofty perch."

No, theres two sides to this, people who are ok with what trump is doing, who will deflect, lie, and troll to avoid seeing it.

and those who won't.

this is not a high school debate...this is a moral gut check.

#110 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Yeah. The Moonie Times and then went on and on criticizing me because I refused to bother with reading that crap. You don't give facts. You give opinions that you think are facts. All to repeat a false narrative.

#108 | POSTED BY YAV "

I've never cited them. I use credible sources, even liberal ones like NYT and CNN> Try again, Yav... But do it without raw unbridled hate in your heart. YOu are more likely to get it right.

#111 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

are you ok with what trump is doing, goatman?

a simple yes or no will suffice.

#112 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You seem to think people are migrating to America for shhts and giggles.
#105 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

No, it's to purchase stolen identities so they can work in chicken plants on the cheap.

Clowshack doesn't want to pay more money for his hot wings.

#113 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 10:32 PM | Reply

Unbridled hate in my heart?

If I was Goatman I'd scream "ad hominem attack!!" and whine more.

#114 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No, theres two sides to this, people who are ok with what trump is doing, who will deflect, lie, and troll to avoid seeing it.
and those who won't."

Yep, One side is calm, doesn't use all caps, doesn't use logical fallacies, doesn't jerk his kneee and say, "you're wrong" without reason, doesn't call people names, doesn't invoke Godwin's law..

The other side is just the opposite.

Glad I'm on the emotionally mature stable side.

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.google.com
#107 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Your linked article provides details on only one person, who was arrested for being in MS-13.

Is that who you want in our country?

#116 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 10:33 PM | Reply

are you ok with what trump is doing, goatman?
#112 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Do you support illegal immigration, identity fraud, and MS-13?

Or do you support legal immigration, worker protections, fair wages, and an orderly safe border?

#117 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 10:36 PM | Reply

the shorter goatman: i am calm about deflecting about my government abusing brown children as a deterrent to misdemeanor border crossings...therefore i am an adult.

#118 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

False dichotomy.

All these idiots have are logical fallacies.

#119 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#114 | POSTED BY YAV "

Your posts are mch more hateful (and I"m not just talking about to me) than they were 2.5 years ago, yav. Perhaps you don't notice it since like growing plants, you don't see a day to day change. But trut me, you've changed. Ane I'm not being mean, I'm just making an honest observation.

That is somewhat wad because though we disagreed before, you now inject venom and irrationality into your replies.

Feel free to disagree, I won't rebut. I am merely noting my observiations and they will remain that no matter how you respond.

#120 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

sheeple- im center left on border issues. we cannot have a wide open border.

however, nascent concentration camps is not the answer. trump is just hurting people to play demagogue.

#121 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your posts are mch more hateful (and I"m not just talking about to me) than they were 2.5 years ago, yav.

According to Snoofy it would mean he doesn't have morals.....

#122 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-22 10:39 PM | Reply

#121 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

So OpenBorders when it suits your argument?

And controlled borders when it suits your other arguments..

I get it.

You offer nothing but defense of an open border.

#123 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-22 10:40 PM | Reply

"the shorter goatman: i am calm about deflecting about my government abusing brown children as a deterrent to misdemeanor border crossings...therefore i am an adult.

#118 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Anyone who has to lie and make up quotes obbviously has issues.

I hope you fal with them effectively, alex.

You think it is possible you would be a good debate opponent if you simply embraced the truth. Besides, the truth is cool. You don't see me making up quotes about you, do you? 'Nuff said.

But seriously, try calming down and putting away the childish taunts and lies. If you don't like it, go back to who you were. What does it hurt to try?

#124 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- however, nascent concentration camps is not the answer.

We aren't running concentration camps. just stop with the drama, man.

It's a ridiculous claim.

#125 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 10:41 PM | Reply

"doesn't invoke Godwin's law"

Godwin actually came out and said it's ok to call this nazism out for what it is.

google it.

#126 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:41 PM | Reply

i said nascent concentration camps.

learn to read, sheep.

#127 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:42 PM | Reply

- this nazism

Drama and hysteria.

#128 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 10:42 PM | Reply

They're not even 'nascent'. It's a ridiculous claim.

#129 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 10:43 PM | Reply

educate yourself, sheep.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

#130 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:44 PM | Reply

"Godwin actually came out and said it's ok to call this nazism out for what it is.
google it.

#126 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

I know that. The Gestappo whom you invoked were a big part of the Nazis.

Google it.

#131 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I've never cited them. I use credible sources, even liberal ones like NYT and CNN> Try again, Yav... But do it without raw unbridled hate in your heart. YOu are more likely to get it right.

Oh?

Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?
www.washingtontimes.com

#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 02:52 PM | FLAG:

drudge.com

Liar.

#132 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 10:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

since goatman is allergic to google:

Mike Godwin
""
@sfmnemonic
By all means, compare these --------- to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.

#133 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 10:50 PM | Reply

I get it.
#123 | POSTED BY A MATTRESS

Obviously not.

#134 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 10:52 PM | Reply

"By all means, compare these --------- to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.
#133 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Um, OK. If you and Godwin insist. You're a Nazi, Alex.

#135 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 10:59 PM | Reply

profound.

#136 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:00 PM | Reply

Are you saying we should treat all children as though they've been trafficked??

No. It does happen though. So, what do you propose? Hand them back to their traffickers?

Don't even answer that, you sociopath.

#60 | POSTED BY JOE

Here's a tissue, li'l angry Joe. Go have a good cry.

#137 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:01 PM | Reply

"Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?
www.washingtontimes.com

#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 02:52 PM | FLAG:
drudge.com
Liar.

POSTED BY YAV "

Please explan to me how asking a question to which I do not know the answer makes me a liar.

But I will be one now. I said I would not bring up your hateful changes again. However, your post is a perfect example of that point. Forgive me for renegging on that promise, but just as I usually insisteon examples, I feel I should provde them to back up my claims.

But now that I have proven m point, I see no reason I should have to reneg on that promis again.

Best to you, Yav

#138 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

LMAO!

#139 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:05 PM | Reply

Laughter is good!

#140 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:06 PM | Reply

Still, I would like you to explain to me how my asking a question makes me a liar, yav..

#141 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:06 PM | Reply

You seem to think people are migrating to America for shhts and giggles.

Stop being so obtuse.

#105 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

An overwhelming majority are migrating for superior economic opportunities. The word just happens to be out that trafficking children and abusing our asylum process is an easy way in.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'll let anyone that cares read that section - I linked it all.

They can decide.

They can also decide how much "unbridled raw hate" was in post #132.

That was just too damn funny!

#143 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So OpenBorders when it suits your argument?

And controlled borders when it suits your other arguments.."

link or stink, mackris.

#144 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:08 PM | Reply

Yav, how does my asking a question make me a liar?

#145 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:08 PM | Reply

"superior economic opportunities"

read: not starving to death.

#146 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Please explan to me how asking a question to which I do not know the answer makes me a liar."

because you're pretending not to know how to google.

#147 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#142 - corner cases, made to be a huge story for consumers of right-wing garbage. It feeds their bias and justifies the subhuman treatment of those migrants. In fact, it makes them feel superior to them.

Ah, the power of demagogue in the WH.

#148 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yav, how does asking a quesgtion make me a liar?

#149 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:12 PM | Reply

sheeple- im center left on border issues. we cannot have a wide open border.

however, nascent concentration camps is not the answer. trump is just hurting people to play demagogue.

#121 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

OK. What is the solution then? Our asylum laws are being flagrantly abused. Children are being trafficked so that their "parens" can gain entry. How do we deal with that? You and others seem to advocate just let them in.,,,

#150 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:13 PM | Reply

"because you're pretending not to know how to google.

#147 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

I never pretended I didn't know how to google. If I had, I would be a liar.

Better luck next time, Alex.

#151 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

so you DO know how to google "trump messiah" to answer your question but dishonestly asked anyway.

hmmm, sounds like you're a liar.

#152 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:15 PM | Reply

"hmmm, sounds like you're a liar.

#152 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

To an irrational hater who clearly (PGUP to see) has to twist words, then add a few more to make his piont, yeah, I giess it would.

#153 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:17 PM | Reply

link or stink, mackris.

#144 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Link or stink?

Are you sure you aren't thinking about, "2 in the pink; 1------------" aka 'The Shocker'?

#154 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:18 PM | Reply

jeff- the answer has been repeated by the left a million times here.

arrest people hiring these illegals on purpose and send them to jail. remove the incentive to come here illegally.

#155 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:18 PM | Reply

Oh he googled.
And cited the Moonie Times.
Which he had just said he never cited.
Then he shifted the question to how he's a liar about the unrelated (to this thread) subject when I called him a liar.
Which he clearly is.

#156 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yav, you failure to respond tacitly screams that your unbridled hatred once again compelled you to post hate, rather than truth.

You shoudn't hang around alexandrite so mich

#157 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Oh he googled.
And cited the Moonie Times.
Which he had just said he never cited.
Then he shifted the question to how he's a liar about the unrelated (to this thread) subject when I called him a liar.
Which he clearly is.

#156 | POSTED BY YAV "

The moonie times? Where?

#158 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

To an irrational hater who clearly (PGUP to see) has to twist words, then add a few more to make his piont, yeah, I giess it would.

#153 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 11:17 PM | REPLY |

I love how a complete mess of a human like this is so desperate to convince anonymous blog people he's rational.

you can't even defend children on a anonymous blog. it's hard to believe you're somehow better IRL.

#159 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:21 PM | Reply

"I love how a complete mess of a human like this ..."

#159 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

The hits just keep on coming

Thank you again for proving my point that all you ave is schoolyard taunts. LOL

#160 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:22 PM | Reply

arrest people hiring these illegals on purpose and send them to jail. remove the incentive to come here illegally.

#155 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I agree. The problem is that once the job incentive is removed then the only remaining incentive is to bilk the welfare state.

Are you good with ZERO public services for illegal aliens, alongside draconian measures to aggressively target the employers?

If I could only eliminate one, I would much prefer to eliminate the public-dole incentive than the job-opportunity incentive.

#161 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:23 PM | Reply

To an irrational hater...
and
raw unbridled hate in your heart...
and
creams that your unbridled hatred once again compelled you to post hate

all from the ad hominem King, Goatman.

I can't help but laugh!

I don't answer you because you keep missing the point and keep deflecting. If you don't know the sources you cite, don't complain to me.

You know how to google. Google "Moonie Times"

#162 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you can't even defend children on a anonymous blog. it's hard to believe you're somehow better IRL.

#159 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Actually I have, liar.. Again, just like I say, name calling and lies is all you have in your bag of tricks.

#163 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

i provided links to earlier posts, goat.

you ignored them. drama is what you want.

#164 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:24 PM | Reply

Oops!
That should be:
Screams that you're...

But in the case of Goatman, "Creams" is more likely.

#165 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:24 PM | Reply

"then the only remaining incentive is to bilk the welfare state."

which is barely happening. why are you concerned about such a small problem?

#166 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:25 PM | Reply

"You know how to google. Google "Moonie Times"

#162 | POSTED BY YAV"

I have no interest in the moonie times as you do. Why ould I google them?
'

I get it -- you cant' justify calling me a liar based on a question. But geez, Your deflections are really weak

#167 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I don't answer you because you keep missing the point and keep deflecting."

he does it on purpose, yav. no one that can turn on a smartphone or computer is THAT stupid.

#168 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:26 PM | Reply

" "Creams" is more likely.

#165 | POSTED BY YAV "

Though it may be inappropriate, That was one of the nicknames my wife had for me, so I appreciate it.

#169 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:27 PM | Reply

"he does it on purpose, yav. no one that can turn on a smartphone or computer is THAT stupid.

#168 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Says the person who has only knee jerk denials and name calling.

Physician, heal thyself.

#170 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:28 PM | Reply

"then the only remaining incentive is to bilk the welfare state."

which is barely happening. why are you concerned about such a small problem?

#166 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

The welfare state includes things like public education...

My point is the carrot for illegal immigration is far bigger than just job opportunities.

#171 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:28 PM | Reply

I called you a liar for saying you never cite the Moonie Times, and then I showed that's exactly what you did.

It's not complicated.

#172 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm still waiting for the alleged citation I made from the moonie times. Oh,, yea, and why asking a question is a lie.

#173 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:29 PM | Reply

Goodness.
You are dense.
Good night.

#174 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I called you a liar for saying you never cite the Moonie Times, and then I showed that's exactly what you did.
It's not complicated.

#172 | POSTED BY YAV "

In what post number?

#175 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:30 PM | Reply

Children are being trafficked so that their "parens" can gain entry.

You've made this claim thoughout the thread. I checked the criteria for being granted asylum and none of them have anything to do with whether you brought a child with you.

Where are you getting this information?

#176 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 11:30 PM | Reply

"Good night.

#174 | POSTED BY YAV "

LOL How convenient. Post one last lie, tuck tail, and scram.

Says a lot about your character, yav. And also your inabilithy to debate honestly But if you have nothing, you start posting like alexandrite. I get it.

#177 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:32 PM | Reply

Goodness.
You are dense.
Good night.

POSTED BY YAV A

You know, my wife says that to me all of the time.

Unfortunately, she's talking about my gut.

:-(

#178 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:34 PM | Reply

you should be embarrassed, goat.

yav absolutely bitch slapped you tonight.

#179 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm still waiting for the alleged citation I made from the moonie times. Oh,, yea, and why asking a question is a lie.

#173 | Posted by goatman

From the Moonie Times:

"Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?
www.washingtontimes.com (Founded by Sun Myung Moon - MOONIE TIMES)

#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 02:52 PM

#180 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-22 11:36 PM | Reply

"then the only remaining incentive is to bilk the welfare state."

which is barely happening. why are you concerned about such a small problem?
#166 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

But it's happening nonetheless.

Why diminish a problem that exists as an incentive for illegals to exploit?

#181 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 11:36 PM | Reply

"#178 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

The steroids I'vr ben takng has caused me to gain 34 lbs ince January. But without it ,I can't breathe. But like m girlfriend aays, better fat and breatning thatn beautiful and dead. LOL

Hopefully the Fesnera will start kicking in and I can get off of the steroids.

#182 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah. The Moonie Times and then went on and on criticizing me because I refused to bother with reading that crap. You don't give facts. You give opinions that you think are facts. All to repeat a false narrative.

#108 | POSTED BY YAV "

I've never cited them. I use credible sources, even liberal ones like NYT and CNN> Try again, Yav... But do it without raw unbridled hate in your heart. YOu are more likely to get it right.

#111 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 10:30 PM | REPLY

I understand that you are deflecting with snaark, but my point is solid. It is even more so considering that there were people actually called or thought of Obama as the Messiah including so called neutral journalists like Barbara Walters.

Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?
www.washingtontimes.com

#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 02:52 PM | FLAG:

theres you using a moonie times link in another thread.

you are a liar.

#183 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The steroids I'vr ben takng has caused me to gain 34 lbs ince January

This reads like one of those memes about how the human brain can decipher the words in a sentence with only some of the letters present.

#184 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 11:41 PM | Reply

"#180 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

I never cited the moonie times. So go ahead and plonk me for the third tme this week. But please, put a piece of tape or something onver the "unplonk" key on your keyboard so you don't keep accidentally hitting it.. Do yourself a favor.

#185 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

sheep- "Why diminish a problem that exists-"

good question. why DO minions of the right downplay that trump is cruelly separating families at the border and detaining them with no soap or toothpaste?

#186 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:43 PM | Reply

"This reads like one of those memes about how the human brain can decipher the words in a sentence with only some of the letters present.

#184 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-08-22 11:41 P"

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

#187 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:44 PM | Reply

" I never cited the moonie times."

-goatliar

#188 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"why DO minions of the right downplay that trump is cruelly separating families at the border and detaining them with no soap or toothpaste?

#186 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Probablly for the same reason you were not outraged when Obama had them lockd up in cages, sleeping on the floor with tin foil blankets. Duh.

#189 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?

www.mnn.com

#190 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-22 11:48 PM | Reply

"-goatliar

#188 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Again, you prove two of my points: Childish name calling and no proof.Th

The hits just keep on coming. LOL

Why do you make yourself such an easy mark, alex? Why do you keep coming back for more?

www.youtube.com

#191 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:48 PM | Reply

Probablly for the same reason you were not outraged when Obama had them lockd up in cages, sleeping on the floor with tin foil blankets. Duh.

POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 11:46 PM | REPLY

i never deflect to obama sez goatman the other day.

anyway, the false equivalencies between trump and obama have been explained to you in other threads with links.

and yet the zombie lie never dies. you continue to lie, which is why i was hesitant to waste my time linking anything when dealing with your lying ass.

#192 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GOATMAN

I hadn't signed in when I saw that and posted.

On the thread "The Belief That Trump Is a Messiah" you linked the Moonie Times (Washington Times):

RIGHT HERE: drudge.com

Now, I'm logging on again so I don't have to scroll past your drivel. Google won't let you lie :)

#193 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-22 11:50 PM | Reply

"i never deflect to obama sez goatman the other day.

#192 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Citation needed

#194 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:51 PM | Reply

www.washingtontimes.com

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 02:52 PM

#195 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-22 11:51 PM | Reply

"On the thread "The Belief That Trump Is a Messiah" you linked the Moonie Times (

#193 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-08-22 11:50 PM "

I did not link to the moonie times, liar.

You already pllnked me twice this week and grandstanded doing it. Again, put a piece of tape or something over the unplonk key on your keyboard. Please.

#196 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's disgusting how Obama treated immigrants.

...said no Retorter, ever. But he did.

#197 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 11:53 PM | Reply

I cited the Washington times. I've never denied that. Why do y'all keep bringin that up? LOL

Y'all are trying too hard.

#198 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 11:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

On topic. Kanrei is right.

Trump is not a racist.

#199 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-22 11:54 PM | Reply

Alex,

So, what is the solution then? Just let everybody in? Thumb our noses at those who go through the process? Open borders in the truest sense of the word?

If the answer is "No" then we are right back to dealing with detention centers, courts, child separation (until it can be ascertained that their 'guardians' are actually their parents, for their own safety...)

If you aren't for completely open borders then we will have detention centers.

#200 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 11:56 PM | Reply

I cited the Washington times. I've never denied that. Why do y'all keep bringin that up? LOL

Y'all are trying too hard.

#198 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-22 11:53 PM | REPLY |

you run around shrieking liar at everyone, then lie repeatedly, then laugh about it.

i was right, you are broken.

#201 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-22 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

i never deflect to obama sez goatman the other day.

ALEXANDRITE

GOATMAN did. He can't deny it now. I've posted the link to where he did in #193. #17 on the linked thread.

The article he linked from the Moonie Times (Washington Times founded by Rev Sun Myung Moon - MOONIES) was about Obama/Messiah.

Glad I could be of help :)

#202 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-22 11:59 PM | Reply

So alexandrite, yav, and americanunity think that since Moon owns the Moonie Times and Washington times they are the same. So using their logic, a Pinto is the same as a Lincoln. After all, they are both made by Ford Motor Company.

Logic and the left. Never the twain shall meet.

#203 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:01 AM | Reply

Guess Jeff missed #176.

I'm out.

#204 | Posted by Joe at 2019-08-23 12:02 AM | Reply

moonie times is a nickname for the washingtontimes.

you know this, liar.

i look forward to rcade banning you again. wob.

#205 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#202 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

How much longer until you plonk me for the third time in a week?

#206 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:03 AM | Reply

i look forward to rcade banning you again. wob.

#205 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Of course you do.

Can't stand being challenged so you go all Orwell...

#207 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 12:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"you know this, liar."

I didn't know that.

Once again, alex, hou prove you have to lie and make stuff up rather than being honest.

Seriously. Take me up on my suggestion and try honesty. If you don't like it, you can always go back to lying. What could it hurt?

#208 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"i look forward to rcade banning you again. wob.

#205 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

I'm the one who provides citations. I don't put words into your mouth. I don't call yhou names. I don't knee jerk and say "you're wrong" to everything ou say.

Why would rcade not ban someone who does that, but would ban me? Serious question.

#209 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:08 AM | Reply

Can't stand being challenged so you go all Orwell...

#207 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-23 12:04 AM | FLAG:

the guy is a total liar.

funny, i don't want jeff banned and he challenges me all the time.

but jeff isn't a lying wob.

#210 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:08 AM | Reply

"I didn't know that"

bull
----

#211 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:09 AM | Reply

"the guy is a total liar.
funny, i don't want jeff banned and he challenges me all the time.
but jeff isn't a lying wob.

#210 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Says the guy who lied by assigning a false position to me as recently as post 206. LOL I wish I could make up stuff better than this, but I can't.

Physician, heal thyself.

#212 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:11 AM | Reply

I'm the one who provides citations. I don't put words into your mouth. I don't call yhou names. I don't knee jerk and say "you're wrong" to everything ou say.

Why would rcade not ban someone who does that, but would ban me? Serious question.

#209 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You beat me to it.

You have your flaws - we all do - but you'r not abusive. Not by any stretch. Nor is Nulli. Yet these self-proclaimed open-minded "liberals" go-to response to almost any differing opinion is to shout-down, de-platform, shut-down, Doxx, utterly destroy any challenge.

#213 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 12:13 AM | Reply

the goatman defense: i'm not a liar, i'm a moron.

#214 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:13 AM | Reply

#211 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Turn the channel. Watch a different program.

You have the power. but obviously not the willpower.

#215 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 12:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"bull
----

#211 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

When called out, you double down.

And the hits just keep on coming.

Even if I did know both papers were owned by the same person (and I didn[t) your assumption is the same as if someone called a Pinto a Lincoln since theh are both made by Ford.

C'mon Alex -- you lie, you call names, and more. You keep proving it. But must you also prove you have no sense of logic whatsoever?

#216 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:13 AM | Reply

citation needed.

#217 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:14 AM | Reply

"#211 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE
Turn the channel. Watch a different program.
You have the power. but obviously not the willpower.

#215 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM "

Or Plonk me as you once (about 19 times less than AU has) claimed to have done. It's simple.

#218 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:15 AM | Reply

Alex has the HANS chromosome.

#219 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 12:15 AM | Reply

#209

This place is "Animal farm". Some animals are more equal than others. rcade's right, since he owns the place.

#220 | Posted by willowby at 2019-08-23 12:15 AM | Reply

"citation needed.

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

For what?

#221 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:16 AM | Reply

poor goatman gets called out on bald faced lying and his response is to call others liars and pretend to be stupid.

and everyone on the right eats it up, because he annoys libs.

#222 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:17 AM | Reply

funny, i don't want jeff banned and he challenges me all the time.

#210 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

A few things...

1. You and I have a LONG history on this site.

2. You're not a snowflake SJW rabid leftist who seeks to destroy anybody who doesn't toe the line.

3. #213 wasn't directed at you. You aren't calling for a Goat ban - you just said you are good with it. Not a good position IMO, but not Orwellian.

4. Michigan. The state, not the college.

#223 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 12:18 AM | Reply

I don't knee jerk and say "you're wrong" to everything ou say.

#209 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Come on, man. That's what you spend most of your time here doing.

And it's all skewed to posters from one side of the aisle. Mr Independent.

How about you act like a patriotic American and call out Trump now and then for the ridiculous things he says and does on a daily basis instead of just constantly hassling people who do?

#224 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-23 12:20 AM | Reply

"poor goatman gets called out on bald faced lying"

Cite the lie, please.

Oh, you can't? That makes you a liar, (again) alex.

Why do you keep doubling down on this ----? Are going Goebbels on us?

#225 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:20 AM | Reply

This place is "Animal farm". Some animals are more equal than others. rcade's right, since he owns the place.

#220 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

Rcade has been pretty hands'-off and forgiving lately.

It's incumbent upon all of us to ride this wave responsibly and not put him in a position where he needs to bring the hammer down again.

#226 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 12:21 AM | Reply

"Cite the lie, please. "

pageup, i already did.

so did yav

and au.

liar.

#227 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:23 AM | Reply

How about you act like a patriotic American and call out Trump now and then for the ridiculous things he says and does on a daily basis instead of just constantly hassling people who do?

#224 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-08-23 12:20 AM |

#228 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:23 AM | Reply

"Come on, man. That's what you spend most of your time here doing.

#224 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

Not true. But if I do tell someone they are wrong, I will provide citation to back up my claim far more times than not. Something the person you are tacitly defending, Alexandrite, hasn't done.

"And it's all skewed to posters from one side of the aisle."

I don't care.

" Mr Independent."

Say what, Mr. "I'm plonking you"?

"How about you act like a patriotic American"

How about you worry about your own behaviour?

" and call out Trump now and then "

I do. When was the last time you gave him credit for something good he's done?
Right. Looks like I'm ahead. Pysician heal thyself

#229 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:26 AM | Reply

Off topic...

AU -

Here are the pieces my son is practicing for his sophomore year audition for clarinet:

Capriccio Espagnole (Rimsky-Korsakov) movements 1 and 3
Midsummer Night's Dream (Mendelssohn)
Beethoven 6 movement 2
Brahms 3 movement 2
Tchaikovsky 5 movement 3

I had to have him type all of that out.

This is like a foreign language to me.

Just thought you'd be interested,,,,

#230 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 12:28 AM | Reply

"Something the person you are tacitly defending, Alexandrite, hasn't done. "

you just lied. again.

you have refused to discuss ANY links i've dropped, falsely claiming i don't use them at all.

#231 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:29 AM | Reply

"pageup, i already did.

#227 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Oh, you are still clinking to the Moonie times thing. LOL Prove that I knew that the Moonie Times and the Washington times were owned by the same people. And even if they are, I cited one, not the other. And again, the Pinto/Lincoln/Ford analogy.

Deal with it Alex and move on. You are trying far too hard to make your lie stick. I mean, you are really starting to look so pathetic here.

#232 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:29 AM | Reply

"Prove that I knew that the Moonie Times and the Washington times were owned by the same people."

They're the same thing, you odious twit.

#233 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:31 AM | Reply

"you have refused to discuss ANY links i've dropped, falsely claiming i don't use them at all.

#231 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

You took my quote out of context, which is lying. But of course you keep proving that al lyou can do is lie.

Here is my quote in full context, liar (as if you don't know what it is")

"Not true. But if I do tell someone they are wrong,I will provide citation to back up my claim far more times than not. Something the person you are tacitly defending, Alexandrite, hasn't done. "

You have not provided citations more times than note when you tell someone they are wrong

Why did you lie and take my quote out of context, iiar? Did you really think I wouldn't notice? LOL That's the problem with liars. They don't think ahead.

#234 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:35 AM | Reply

"They're the same thing, you odious twit.

#233 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

I didn't know that.

So how is that name calling thing working out for you? LOL

#235 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:36 AM | Reply

Your name calling thing is working out great for me because every time you do it, you prove I'm right.

#236 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:37 AM | Reply

"I didn't know that"

i told you that.

and you didn't know it twice?

keep digging, liar.

#237 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-23 12:37 AM | Reply

You bore me, and quite frankly, I cringe in embarrassment for you every time I point out your name calling and lies.

'Til next time, sweets.

#238 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:37 AM | Reply

Here are the pieces my son is practicing for his sophomore year audition for clarinet:

Capriccio Espagnole (Rimsky-Korsakov) movements 1 and 3
Midsummer Night's Dream (Mendelssohn)
Beethoven 6 movement 2
Brahms 3 movement 2
Tchaikovsky 5 movement 3

I had to have him type all of that out.

This is like a foreign language to me.

Just thought you'd be interested,,,,

#230 | Posted by JeffJ

Impressive! :)

#239 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-23 12:39 AM | Reply

""I didn't know that"
i told you that."

Yes you did. And when you said it again, I just thought you were absent minded because people with their mental faculties don't keep repeating themselves. SO I did not know it until you told me. If you want to believe that's a lie, I'll give you that one. After all, you've been trying so hard and keep coming up with nothing, you deserve a consoloation prizes.

Tata again, sweets. I'm hungry!

#240 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:40 AM | Reply

Impressive! :)

#239 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

You're an infinitely better judge than I am on this.

I know it's more difficult than "Mary Had a Little Lamb", but beyond that I have no idea how impressed i should be that he can play these pieces,

It was so much easier when he was focused on playing baseball.

#241 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 12:53 AM | Reply

JEFFJ

Be impressed. Be VERY impressed.

#242 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-23 12:57 AM | Reply

Jeff, I heard one of Nashville's best keyboard artists, someone who did work with the Allman brothers, Johnny Neel say that besides himself, AU was the best keyboardist he knew. So hes, he does know infinitely better than you! LOL

#243 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 12:58 AM | Reply

AU,

I am impressed. It's just a world that I don't understand.

My wife and I have underestimated him every step of the way because neither of us know ---- about music.

My ear has gotten better but I have nothing to pass on to him as it pertains to music. As a dad, that kind of sucks.

#244 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 01:01 AM | Reply

Goat,

AU has openly revealed just enough about his craft that it's obvious he's extremely talented and has done well with it.

The last time I managed to cajole him into talking music, Rhapsody in Blue I asked my son to read his off-hand remarks and my son immediately concluded that he knew his stuff.

#245 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 01:06 AM | Reply

The best keyboardist I ever knew was Scott Woods.

The best I ever heard was Rick Wakeman.

#246 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 01:10 AM | Reply

Keith Emerson is the best I've ever heard. My cousin is an awesome pianist. But I'm ashamed to say he's a hypocritical democrat in the Texas legislature, so that negates it all. LOL

#247 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 01:18 AM | Reply

Based on the past few dozens of posts, looks like Goat is the troll he always was.

He really puts Sherp to shame.

#248 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 02:05 AM | Reply

An overwhelming majority are migrating for superior economic opportunities. The word just happens to be out that trafficking children and abusing our asylum process is an easy way in.
#142 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The "word"?

Where'd you find out about this child trafficking asylum shortcut? On the streets? From the Trump Administration?

Let's see your work.

Citation necessary for the garbage you posted in #142.

1) The "overwhelming majority are migrating for superior economic opportunities."

2) "The word happens to be out that trafficking children and abusing our asylum process is an easy way in."

#249 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 02:10 AM | Reply

"Based on the past few dozens of posts, looks like Goat is the troll he always was.
He really puts Sherp to shame.

#248 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Let's see. We have one poster who is called out o lies and his lies are proven, assigns false positions, and makes personal attacks by calling names (against rcade's policy).

We have another poster who if callen out provides links to back up his claims, doesn't descend into name calling like a child, avoids personal attacks and doesn't assign false positions to people.

Now tell me which one is the troll? LOL

#250 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:11 AM | Reply

I asked my son to read his off-hand remarks and my son immediately concluded that he knew his stuff.
#245 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I hope your sons grow up to be smarter than you are.

Unfortunately I fear you've already done your best to close their minds.

Perhaps college will help them gain a new worldview.

#251 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 02:12 AM | Reply

Now tell me which one is the troll? LOL
#250 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You are!

LOL!

#252 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 02:13 AM | Reply

"I hope your sons grow up to be smarter than you are.

#251 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Jeff is a good man, and as all good people, I'm sure he hopes so, too.

"Unfortunately I fear you've already done your best to close their minds."

How ------- judgemental and arrogant can a person be? You've outdone yourself -- something I thought impossible. Congratulations.

#253 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:16 AM | Reply

"You are!
LOL!
#252 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Thank you. I'd rather be the troll who doesn't call names and lie than the non-troll who lies and calls names and assignes false positions and quotes others out of context.

No wonder liberals are so ------ up. Y'all have your priorites all wrong.

#254 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:18 AM | Reply

"Unfortunately I fear you've already done your best to close their minds.
Perhaps college will help them gain a new worldview.

#251 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

In Jeff's post that you attacked him in (and I'm the troll? but I digress) Jeff was commenting how his son said that Americanunity knew his stuff. But you are saying that Jeff has closed their minds and maybe college will help them?

What do ou have against Jeff's son's complimenting Americanunity? Or is it Americanunity you have a problem with and you don't like people giving him compliments?

Or, most likely, you just knee jerked and went into attack mode against Jeff without reading the thread and posts?

#255 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:27 AM | Reply

What do ou have against Jeff's son

Nothing. Jeff knows this.

I've always wished them the best and have been impressed by everything Jeff has shared about them.

As for Jeff.

I believe he has some opinions which I disagree with, I disagree with the way sees things and it bothers me I can't articulate myself better. Share my point of view better. It frustrates me.

He's a great man. Which frustrates me even more. Because I feel like the disagreements are actually important. When in fact. It shouldn't matter to me. Much in the same way I don't care what many on here say.

Which. In a way. Is how I felt about you. Now I'm not so sure anymore.

Have you noticed how many threads you literally attack other posters and create arguments? You have something wrong with you. A bitterness. A need for conflict. You create it. As you did with Yav and Alexandrite on this thread. You call Snoofy's a troll but you are the troll.

You may need help.

But. I'm still glad you're posting. And I'm still ready to give a fffk and argue with you.

But I'm not entertaining any ideas that I had anything negative to say about Jeff's kids.

#256 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 02:49 AM | Reply

"But I'm not entertaining any ideas that I had anything negative to say about Jeff's kids.

#256 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Who said you did? Nobodyy. However, you took my post out of ontext, which is lying, and made it look like I said that.

Only a ------- lowlife would do that.

#257 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"but you are the troll. "

Says the guy who takes my posts out of context.

You need help, dude. Big time.

#258 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

have something wrong with you.

"You#256 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

The guy who lies by taking my post out of context is telling me there is something wrong with me? LOL. Now that is rich as hell. Physician, heal thyself.

I'm curious -- why don't you condemn alexanderite for his childish name calling and lying? Oh, I know, it's because you agree with him politically but not me.

So spare me your faux outrage, liar.

#259 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 02:59 AM | Reply

you took my post out of ontext

I got the gist of your post and responded accordingly.

Deal with it.

You're on a troll fest in this thread and I didn't want you controlling this particular dialogue.

#260 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 03:00 AM | Reply

Three posts about yourself being a victim.

Wow!

Go check your blood pressure.

#261 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 03:01 AM | Reply

"#256 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

I write in post 255"

What do ou have against Jeff's son's complimenting Americanunity?

You lied and quoted me out of context with:

What do ou have against Jeff's son

Why did you do that, liar?

#262 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 03:05 AM | Reply

"I got the gist of your post and responded accordingly."

No, you didn't. The gist of my post why you were against Jeff's son complimenting Americanunity. When taken out of context the gist is me asking what you have against Jeff's son, liar.

Again, why did you lie and quote me out of context, liar?

#263 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 03:07 AM | Reply

"Go check your blood pressure.
#261 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

I did, and as usual, it's below normal. But enough deflecting: Why did you quote me out of context, liar?

#264 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 03:09 AM | Reply

"#256 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Why did you quote me out of context, liar?

#265 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 03:14 AM | Reply

... lying ...

D**n, I wish you and everyone else on this blog would quit using that word. It's just sleazy to me.

I once had a witness on that stand that was saying the sky was yellow. I had numerous government required documents he had signed that said the sky was blue. I presented him the documents and asked, paraphrased, "were you lying then or now" and felt sleazy as h**l doing it, though a perfectly legitimate question. One should take care of accusing someone of lying because the probability is there is a plausible innocent explanation.

Whether something said is a "lie," intentional misrepresentation of a known fact, is a highly nuanced inquiry. Throwing the allegation around willy nilly on a discussion blog is irresponsible to me. YMMV

#266 | Posted by et_al at 2019-08-23 03:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Have you noticed how many threads you literally attack other posters...

#256 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

No, I haven't noticed that, liar. In fact, I am always admonishing others for attacking me with their childish name calling.

Speaking of liars, why did you take my quote out of context?

#267 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 03:28 AM | Reply

"Whether something said is a "lie," intentional misrepresentation of a known fact, is a highly nuanced inquiry. Throwing the allegation around willy nilly on a discussion blog is irresponsible to me. YMMV

#266 | POSTED BY ET_AL"

I understand your point, but taking someone's quote out of context and completely changing it's meaning is neither nuanced nor debateable. Point is question is clownshack's recently doing it. I waid,

"What do ou have against Jeff's son's complimenting Americanunity?"

Clownshack quoted it as

"What do ou have against Jeff's son"

Obviously the two sentences do not mean the same. The dependent clause that was the object of the transitive verb was removed making it completely different.

Clownshack lied by taking my quote out of context and there is no question about it. It is right here to see.

#268 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 03:34 AM | Reply

I addressed Jeff.

You jumped in with some overprotective nonsense.

I didn't like what you were implying and had no interest to allow it to continue I explained myself to you. You can re read #256 as many times as you want, it responds to your #253-255.

#269 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 03:43 AM | Reply

Speaking of liars, why did you take my quote out of context?
#267 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Let me walk you though it.

In #252, I'm talking about Jeff and his son

In #255, you decided to comment on what Jeff's son said about AU.

In #256, I respond to #253-255, and let you know all my opinions about Jeff and his sons. I further informed you I wasn't entertaining any ideas that I had anything negative to say about Jeff's kids.

As I said in #260

I got the gist of your post and responded accordingly.

Deal with it.

You're on a troll fest in this thread and I didn't want you controlling this particular dialogue.

#260 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK


"This particular dialogue" was in reference to " I wasn't entertaining any ideas that I had anything negative to say about Jeff's kids."

I didn't take your quote out of context. I used it as a starting point to my response.

Since I never ever commented on what Jeff's son said about AU, I had no obligation to post the rest of your out of context post.

Are you caught up yet? Or are you going to accuse me of lying and cry some more??

#270 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 03:58 AM | Reply

Let me walk you through it.

You quoted me out of context, liar.

#271 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 04:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

LOL!

#272 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 04:09 AM | Reply

Or Plonk me as you once (about 19 times less than AU has) claimed to have done. It's simple.

#218 | Posted by goatman

You've been plonked by me twice. After the first time I thought I'd give you a second chance. You decided to continue to play your games so I plonked you a second time.

Capise?

#273 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-23 04:11 AM | Reply

... but taking someone's quote out of context and completely changing it's meaning is neither nuanced nor debateable.

True enough but is that a "lie," intentional misrepresentation of a known fact? Or is it misapprehension, misunderstanding, quick draw (knee jerk) unthinking response? I get hit with that s**t all the time. I attribute it to time and space limitation. The limitations of this media dictate that I can only write a few sentences to get a point across. Do those few take? Sometimes but not always. Does that make what I said or the retort a "lie," I think not.

I just find the term "lie" sleazy in this context. Again, YMMV.

#274 | Posted by et_al at 2019-08-23 04:15 AM | Reply

"You've been plonked by me twice.

#273 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

Yes, in the last week or two. But I'm talking about sinc e killfiles were established.

#275 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 04:16 AM | Reply

True enough but is that a "lie," intentional misrepresentation of a known fact?

Nope. I didn't misrepresent what goat said. I quoted him.

Or is it misapprehension, misunderstanding, quick draw (knee jerk) unthinking response?

Must have been a misunderstanding on Goats part. I was addressing Jeff and he must of thought I was addressing him, cause he came in with some nonsense.

I bet he's gonna call me a liar again.

Also. IIRC, Goat has been accusing multiple posters of being liars lately.

#276 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 04:59 AM | Reply

"Nope. I didn't misrepresent what goat said. I quoted him.

#276 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

No, you didn't. You misquoted me out of context liar.

#277 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:02 AM | Reply

"Also. IIRC, Goat has been accusing multiple posters of being liars lately.
#276 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Yep. I do call out liars. You are right. And when I do, I pro ide proof as I have with you, liar.

#278 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:04 AM | Reply

Here's your lie again, liar. (I love watching you double down with even more lies denying it. LOL)

My original words:

"What do ou have against Jeff's son's complimenting Americanunity?"

Clownshack quoted it as

"What do ou have against Jeff's son"

#279 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:09 AM | Reply

"Must have been a misunderstanding on Goats part. I was addressing Jeff and he must of thought I was addressing him, cause he came in with some nonsense.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

LOL So you addressed Jeff with my words you took out of context? This just gets better and better.

#280 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:15 AM | Reply

Have to say I'm disappointed that Kanrei's thread turned out like this. I'm not surprised though; it's basically why I advised against him posting it.

#281 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-23 07:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

First good to see you kicking Kanrei

Second

I don't believe he is racist because I don't believe he cares enough about anything other than himself.

I've had similar thoughts about Trump myself I have frequently thought he uses racism as a tool not as a belief. You summed it up in one sentence better than I have in paragraphs so I will leave it at that.

#282 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-08-23 07:04 AM | Reply

Seems safe at this point to say that when Jeff claimed

The word just happens to be out that trafficking children and abusing our asylum process is an easy way in.
and
Children are being trafficked so that their "parens" can gain entry.
he was either making up a lie, or repeating a lie he heard or read on a lying rightwing "news" source.

Which is it? And more importantly, why is he so compelled to defend a child separation policy that you're willing to invent or repeat lies? For a "non Trump voter" this is certainly an excessive amount of water carrying.

#283 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-23 07:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.theatlantic.com

Trump may not be a racist but he missed the best chances he ever had in his life at being one.

Otherwise hes a despicable human being.

#284 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-23 08:25 AM | Reply

I hope your sons grow up to be smarter than you are.

They already are smarter than me.

Unfortunately I fear you've already done your best to close their minds.

Nah! I've mostly avoided talking politics with them and when I have I've tried really hard to present all sides of an argument and let them draw their own conclusions. I'm sure they know where I stand on some issues but my wife and I both feel it's important that they develop their own political views without undue influence from mom and dad. We've worked hard to instill core values - honesty, good deeds, solid work ethic, and just flat-out being nice, or as Bill and Ted would put it, "Be excellent to each other." But politics? They need to figure that out for themselves. When they approach me on a political issue I try really hard to be neutral.

Perhaps college will help them gain a new worldview.

#251 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

We move my oldest back to college for his sophomore year tomorrow. He enjoyed his freshman year quite a bit and seemed to grow intellectually and emotionally. Here's hoping that continues.

#285 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 08:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW, I don't view criticism of Israel over their treatment of Palestinians as antisemitic. Israel has taken half the land Palestinians were ceded and are an occupying force who don't treat them very well.

And how well do you think the Muslims would have treated Israelies if they had been successful in the six day war and been an "occupying" force? You always kindly leave that out.

#286 | Posted by boaz at 2019-08-23 09:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hey Kanrei, good to see your post. I, too, hope you are well. I will always remember the encouragement you gave me when I was overwhelmed by fear and anxiety at the possibility that cancer had returned.

"If he ain't a racist bigoted xenophobe, he sure does a great impression of one."

Agreed.

#287 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-23 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?"

Survivors of the Holocaust say yes. You think your opinion is as relevant as theirs?

#288 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-23 10:06 AM | Reply

"Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?"
---
Survivors of the Holocaust say yes. You think your opinion is as relevant as theirs?

#288 | POSTED BY DANNI

You are FOS. I'd ask you to substantiate your claim but we all know you won't.

I don't know whether it's historical ignorance or blood-rage hyper-partisanship that drives this crap. It's probably both.

#289 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-23 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Food for thought:

Peter Beinart @PeterBeinart

really important for people to start realizing there's a long history of world leaders being both pro-Zionist and anti-Semitic at the same time

Debunking The Myth That Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic

It's a bewildering and alarming time to be a Jew, both because anti-Semitism is rising and because so many politicians are responding to it not by protecting Jews but by victimizing Palestinians.

forward.com

#290 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-23 10:27 AM | Reply

Are people really arguing that concentration camps aren't concentration camps until they are part of a final solution? Is that really how low we've come?

#291 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-23 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"pro-Zionist and anti-Semitic at the same time"

Most of the American NGO money that goes to Israel is from groups that support Israel's expansion because it's part of their biblical end times fetish. So yeah, they're looking forward to the day when Jesus returns and claims Israel for his own, casting down all the Jews to the pits of hell. Since most Israeli Jews don't subscribe to that catechism they gladly take the money like fleecing a sheep. It's a mutually disrespectful arrangement where both sides take the other for fools.

#292 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-23 10:32 AM | Reply

RE: #289 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-23 10:25

www.thedailybeast.com

#293 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-08-23 10:33 AM | Reply

Even Mike Godwin loses an argument on the internet, sometimes.

#294 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-23 10:33 AM | Reply

You are FOS. I'd ask you to substantiate your claim but we all know you won't.
I don't know whether it's historical ignorance or blood-rage hyper-partisanship that drives this crap. It's probably both.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-23 10:25 AM | REPLY

Yes they are concentration camps. They are identical to the ones Hitler started back in the mid to late 1930's. If this bothers you so much. Good. Then fight against them.

#295 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-23 10:34 AM | Reply

Ok, you've all convinced me. The Nazi-style concentration camps that Obama began and Trump has continued are a sure sign that Democrats and Republicans are definitely Nazis.
Good job.
I fully expect all of you to denounce Democrats and Republicans (if Bernie voted for the budget any time since 2014, I expect him to be pariah as well) with fervor going forward.
Join me in voting for someone who, unlike Democrats or Republicans, has never voted for America to have Nazi-style concentration camps since 2014.

#296 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-23 11:15 AM | Reply

Good to hear from you Kanrei. Hope you are feeling well. Great post by the way. You got the hornets all buzzing.

#297 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-23 11:51 AM | Reply

Yes they are concentration camps. They are identical to the ones Hitler started back in the mid to late 1930's. If this bothers you so much. Good. Then fight against them.
#295 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-23 10:34 AM

Refreshingly direct comparison between Hitler, who started concentration camps in the 1930s, and Obama, who started his concentration camps in 2014.

#298 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-23 12:13 PM | Reply

Per your logic every president has overseen death camps because there have been prisons in America.

#299 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-23 12:17 PM | Reply

Obama, who started his concentration camps in 2014.

We'll all make sure not to vote for him in 2020.

But you? You're voting Trump! The man who stepped up incarcerations and family separations.

#300 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 12:18 PM | Reply

Good post, Kanrei. It's not your fault it degenerated into the usual personality-based bickering.

Great to hear from you.

#301 | Posted by cbob at 2019-08-23 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We'll all make sure not to vote for him in 2020.
But you? You're voting Trump! The man who stepped up incarcerations and family separations.
#300 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 12:18 PM |

No, I didn't vote Trump in 2016. I don't expect I'll vote for him in 2020.
Of course, I also won't vote for the party which started the Nazi-style concentration camps.
We are merely by discussing the de facto head of the Democratic party, the most recent Democrat President, starting Nazi-style concentration camps. When a political party has been tainted by a Nazi president (in 2014 to today), as you've all proven in this discussion, there is no way that I would consider voting for one of them.
Are you going to vote for one of the 2 Nazi parties, Clownshack?

As some person once said:

Do you honestly feel these detention centers are even remotely comparable to the Holocaust?
"Even remotely"? Absolute. Perhaps you should educate yourself on them. #32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 08:58 PM

Much the same way as people currently don't care what's happening to the people being separated and incarcerated at our borders since back in 2014. #37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 09:15 PM

Just because you add the word "Nazi" to "concentration camp", it doesn't change the meaning of the word "concentration camp". - #68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 09:46 PM

Yes, we get it. Democrats started concentration camps and shall forevermore be tainted by that indelible stain.

What say you, Clownshack. Are you going to vote for the party that brought concentration camps back to America? Or the party that continues the tradition?
Or perhaps you'll join me and vote for a candidate who hasn't brought the Nazi-concentration camp stain to life in America?

#302 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-23 12:41 PM | Reply

I'd ask you to substantiate your claim but we all know you won't.

Kind of like how you never substantiated your claim that "children are being trafficked so that their "parens" can gain entry?"

Run along Jeffy.

#303 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-23 12:43 PM | Reply

Gotta plonk Kanrei. Really? You post all the time and then you take a dump like this?

I was hoping for a poem thread. sucks.

#304 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-23 12:46 PM | Reply

"Gotta plonk Kanrei. Really? You post all the time and then you take a dump like this?"

Firstly he hadn't posted regularly in probably three years apart from a comment or two once or twice. Secondly, you're here way too long to not understand that plonks only work on comments, not threads.

#305 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-23 12:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Democrats started concentration camps

They also started the Klan. Then they all became republicans.

If a Democrat wins the presidency. I expect these camps to get shut down.

If Trump wins, the camps will keep chugging along.

#306 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 12:55 PM | Reply

Per your logic every president has overseen death camps because there have been prisons in America. - #299 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-23 12:17 PM
No, people who have been subjected to due process, as the constitution guarantees, being placed in prisons, isn't the same as a death camp.
We're talkin about camps where people are being sent before they've been given their day in court/undergone due process.
You can see the concentration camp photos of kids in cages back in 2014. Those kids weren't subject to due process then, and aren't being given it today.

These concentration camps didn't suddenly become concentration camps in January 2017. One party, Democrats, are responsible for starting these vile things. One party, Republicans, continues to do so.
How can any honorable, moral, or ethical person cast their vote for either of the parties that brought or maintain this Nazi-style behavior in America?

#307 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-23 01:03 PM | Reply

How can any honorable, moral, or ethical person cast their vote for either of the parties

Because every democratic candidate had pledged to end the practice of separating families and incarcerating asylum seekers.

All Democratic candidates have expressed their interest in revamping immigration laws.

What have the Republicans done? Made empty promises to end separating families but then being caught red handed continuing the practice.

Yep. I'll stick with 3rd party and Democrats.

Republicans are trash.

#308 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We move my oldest back to college for his sophomore year tomorrow. He enjoyed his freshman year quite a bit and seemed to grow intellectually and emotionally. Here's hoping that continues.

#285 | POSTED BY JEFF

Really glad to hear it, Jeff.

Hope he has a wonderful sophomore year.

#309 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 03:35 PM | Reply

"If you aren't for completely open borders then we will have detention centers.
#200 | POSTED BYJEFFJ"

The problem isn't the concentration camps.

It's the way Trump runs them.

No soap, no toothbrushes, telling frightened children taken from their parents that they can't hug each other.

Its cruel and inhumane, deliberately so, and if you support it, then so are you.

#310 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Henry ford's "the international jew" is a must read amoungst us communist lefists. What he wrote a hundred years ago predicted our predicaments we face today.

#311 | Posted by mutant at 2019-08-23 05:29 PM | Reply

nice to hear from you, Kanrei.

#312 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-08-23 10:11 PM | Reply

This is way off topic but

For reasons i wish i could understand, i recall a conversation way back in the early DR days where Kanrei said he took a shower after every time he took a dump because it was the only way to really get clean. I think i argued with him about it.

Kanrei, can you confirm? I just want to know if this happened.

#313 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-23 10:45 PM | Reply

They also started the Klan. Then they all became republicans.
If a Democrat wins the presidency. I expect these camps to get shut down.
If Trump wins, the camps will keep chugging along.
#306 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 12:55 PM

Your ridiculous theory is that all of the democrats from 2016 turned into Republicans in 2017?
Have you no intellectual honesty you're willing to make use of?

#314 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-23 11:27 PM | Reply

fyi, down is up and up is down: Godwin's _guideline was "indefinitely suspended" >2 years ago.

#315 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-08-24 12:45 AM | Reply

"Kanrei, can you confirm? I just want to know if this happened."

He was lurking and saw this. He asked me to tell you his answer was yes. I'm not really thrilled with having to be the messenger for subject matter of this nature, and wish I didn't know about it at all. Do with this information what you will. *picardfacepalm.gif

#316 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-24 02:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

[Kanrei] was lurking and saw this.

I'm glad you're still in communication with him.

He always respected your posts. Which, I feel a lot (some?) of us do.

Hope all is well.

For you both.

#317 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-24 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your ridiculous theory is that all of the democrats from 2016 turned into Republicans in 2017?

Well. There's Sherp and Nulli.

#318 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-24 02:40 PM | Reply

Lol. Thanks Hagbard. Kan, hope all is well. Stay clean!

#319 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-24 02:48 PM | Reply

Seriously though, that old pointless convo has been floating around in my head lately, and it's good to know i didnt invent it from whole cloth. Take care.

#320 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-24 03:34 PM | Reply

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