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Psychology Today: When a leader is seen as infallible, supporters can become disciples ... a significant portion of his supporters literally believe the president was an answer to their prayers. He is regarded as something of a messiah, sent by God to protect a Christian nation.

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I wouldn't worry about it. We survived 8 years of Obama the Messiah.

www.politico.com

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 01:14 AM | Reply

lol

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-22 01:26 AM | Reply

"We survived 8 years of Obama the Messiah."

Nullifidian didn't.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 02:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

At least Obama never looked to heaven and called himself "the chosen one"

#4 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-22 03:54 AM | Reply

#1 as usual the right was projecting.

Cultists calling others a cult. Too funny.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-22 09:26 AM | Reply

Goat proves the point made by the article.
I need to start looking at Goat as a D.R. Columbo that in reality is a Democrat.

#6 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 09:28 AM | Reply

The only people using messiah language are on the left - Danforth

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:29 AM | Reply

You can always count on Pop Psychology Today for rigorous analysis.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-22 09:33 AM | Reply

Slaughter the source.

I wish I could say I expected more from you.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-22 09:37 AM | Reply

At least Obama never looked to heaven and called himself "the chosen one"

#4 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

True. He just descended from faux Greek columns and proclaimed that the rise of the oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-22 09:46 AM | Reply

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--Obama the Messiah

Actually he was "The Lightworker."

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-22 09:46 AM | Reply

#10 if you have to lie you should just say nothing.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-22 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.sfgate.com

"No, it's not merely his youthful vigor, or handsomeness, or even inspiring rhetoric. It is not fresh ideas or cool charisma or the fact that a black president will be historic and revolutionary in about a thousand different ways. It is something more. Even Bill Clinton, with all his effortless, winking charm, didn't have what Obama has, which is a sort of powerful luminosity, a unique high-vibration integrity. "

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-22 09:52 AM | Reply

"Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.

The unusual thing is, true Lightworkers almost never appear on such a brutal, spiritually demeaning stage as national politics. This is why Obama is so rare. And this why he is so often compared to Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr., to those leaders in our culture whose stirring vibrations still resonate throughout our short history. "

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-22 09:54 AM | Reply

"The only people using messiah language are on the left - Danforth"

Well, except for Little Donnie Dark.

But amazing, the rampant DARVO.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-22 11:49 AM | Reply

He just descended from faux Greek columns and proclaimed that the rise of the oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal.
#10 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Weren't you the one complaining about out-of-context quotes just the other day?

#16 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-08-22 02:45 PM | Reply

"Goat proves the point made by the article.
I need to start looking at Goat as a D.R. Columbo that in reality is a Democrat.

#6 | POSTED BY YAV "

I understand that you are deflecting with snaark, but my point is solid. It is even more so considering that there were people actually called or thought of Obama as the Messiah including so called neutral journalists like Barbara Walters.

Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?

www.washingtontimes.com

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 02:52 PM | Reply

Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?
#17 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

How are you so abysmally ignorant?

You want to figure out how to use google?

Or should I help you out?

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-22 02:55 PM | Reply

That's hilarious.

I can't tell you how many times someone's cited the Washington Times and I've read and analyzed what they said and realized there was never anything like proof or actual evidence for what's being asserted. Too many times to count.

They're a joke of a paper. They were when I lived in D.C. and they've only gotten worse.

I'm not bothering with them in this case, either. The premise and your assertion are both idiotic and I won't dignify it any further.

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hey, an article article about our Messiah!

Oh.

Here's your 30 shekels, Bobby Azarian.

#20 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-22 03:14 PM | Reply

"They're a joke of a paper. They were when I lived in D.C. and they've only gotten worse.

#19 | POSTED BY YAV "

Challenge the stgory, not the source. But it's OK. Deny that which you do not want to hear. It's what hyperpartisans do when there is something they do not to admit when it threatens their fragile little world.

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 05:13 PM | Reply

"How are uyou so abysmally ignorant?
You want to figure out how to use google?
Or should I help you out?

#18 POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

I am not ignorant at all. Thanks for asking. I was giving the readers a chance to challenge the content of the story because I did google and could not find one single person claiming Trump was the messiah even though there are many who clalimed Obama was.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 05:17 PM | Reply

"Is there any record of anyone calling Trump the Messiah?"

Were you without Internet access?
There's a movie.
en.wikipedia.org
www.theguardian.com

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 05:25 PM | Reply

"Were you without Internet access?
There's a movie.
en.wikipedia.org
www.theguardian.com

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-08-22 05:25 PM"

yes, I have internet, Einstein. It's the medium by which I access this site.

Thanks for you reply, but I was kind of looking for something concrete, not amovie. Besides, that movie is about a PTSD sufferer who had a dream that Trump will become president. No where in it is it said that Trump is the Messiah.

Nice try, troll

#24 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 05:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Thanks for you reply, but I was kind of looking for something concrete, not amovie."

If a $2 million movie isn't "concrete" enough for you, nothing ever will be.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 05:34 PM | Reply

"If a $2 million movie isn't "concrete" enough for you, nothing ever will be.

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

OK. I'll start fearing sharks raining down on my from tornaodes as well. I didn't realize that money made something true.

Thanks, troll

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 05:37 PM | Reply

If this quote from the linked article isn't enough for you, nothing ever will be:

The belief that Trump's election was God's divine will is shared by others. Franklin Graham, the prominent conservative evangelical, said last year that Trump's victory was the result of divine intervention. "I could sense going across the country that God was going to do something this year. And I believe that at this election, God showed up," he told the Washington Post.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 05:50 PM | Reply

"#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Nice try, troll. Produce verbage where Trump is called a Messiah, not that his election was god's doing and divine intervention.

Until then, it's adios. troll.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-22 05:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here's another one that won't convince you, because nothing can!

Holocaust Survivor: Trump Is the Emissary of the Messiah news.iheart.com

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump loses in 2020, what's the chance that this could lead to a Jim Jones type situation? I don't mean that Trump will lead them in drinking the Koolaid, just that he'll be serving it up, for a fee.

OCU

#30 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-22 06:32 PM | Reply

If Trump loses in 2020, what's the chance that this could lead to a Jim Jones type situation? I don't mean that Trump will lead them in drinking the Koolaid, just that he'll be serving it up, for a fee.
OCU

POSTED BY OCUSER AT 2019-08-22 06:32 PM | REPLY

Jim Jones used Grape flavoured Flavor Aid NOT Kool Aid.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-22 06:36 PM | Reply

Challenge the stgory, not the source.

Waste of time. How many times do I have to be directed to that same source for a story that turned out to be garbage, fabricated, no evidence, and only a narrative they're seeing to propagate?

Yet you think it's somehow intelligent to treat them as if I've never seen them before, each time?

That's really stupid. They've proven themselves unreliable and untrustworthy too many time to bother with.

This may help:

headsup.scholastic.com

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-22 08:08 PM | Reply

This thread is the first I've heard about it.

I can honestly say none of my conservative friends have once professed to believe Trump is the Messiah.

Frankly the conservatives I know would consider such a statement as blasphemous.

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-22 10:14 PM | Reply

"I can honestly say none of my conservative friends have once professed to believe Trump is the Messiah."

Why the weird limitation to your conservative friends though?
It makes it sound like some other friends said he is the Messiah... but you don't want to talk about that.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-22 10:16 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

I bet you hear all sorts of sounds.

#35 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-22 10:22 PM | Reply

one self-described evangelical who is furious with Trump and his apologists is Jay Lowder, who leads Jay Lowder Harvest Ministries in Wichita Falls, Texas and declares in a Washington Post op-ed that equating Trump with God is "blasphemous."

Trump, this week, described himself as "the chosen one" when it comes to leading a trade war with China and claimed that Israeli Jews consider him "the King of Israel." With the "King of Israel" remark, Lowder notes, Trump was echoing the rhetoric of radio host Wayne Allyn Root " who said that the "the Jewish people love (Trump) ... like he's the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God."

Lowder, in response, asserts in his op-ed, "Christians believe and profess that the only true King of Israel is God, as clearly stated in Isaiah 44:6 " and that he sent his son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, into this world. That makes the description of Trump as the second coming of God' shocking, blasphemous and sacrilegious."

www.rawstory.com

#36 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-22 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

journalist Katherine Stewart, who covers the religious right, explained in a New York Times article last December, the gist of the white evangelical view of Trump is "that he is a miracle sent straight from heaven to bring the nation back to the Lord" and "that resistance to Mr. Trump is tantamount to resistance to God."

Liberty University, run by Jerry Falwell Jr., even helped produce a documentary called "The Trump Prophecy," which was screened in roughly 1,000 theaters before the midterm election last year. In it, a firefighter named Mark Taylor claims he had a religious epiphany in 2011 " when Trump was pushing the racist conspiracy theory that Barack Obama had been born in Kenya " in which God told him that Trump would be elected president.

The word that tends to be commonly associated with Trump in evangelical circles is not "president," however. It is "king." Using numerology arguments, evangelical leaders like Lance Wallnau argue that the 45th president is a modern-day version of the King Cyrus described in Isaiah 45, a Persian emperor the Bible says was anointed by God to free the Jews.

Evangelicals also compare Trump to the biblical figure of King David, particularly when the uncomfortable issue of his frequent adulteries comes up.

In the new Netflix documentary "The Family," which is based on a decade-plus of investigative work by journalist Jeff Sharlet, it's explained that a secretive group of conservative Christian power brokers " including Vice President Mike Pence and former Attorney General Jeff Sessions " preach this idea of the "wolf-king," a leader anointed by God to enact the Christian right agenda. The ruthlessness or immoral conduct of such a leader leaders isn't seen to be at odds with the forgiving spirit of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, these evangelical leaders believe God wants their leaders to be ruthless, because that's what is effective.

www.rawstory.com

#37 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-08-22 11:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Evil is like concrete - you can reach out and touch touch it. I've felt felt it. And honestly Trump just strikes me as a jerk.

He really is too incompetent to be Evil. But at least he isn't Bush - that was a real conspiracy. This guy is just a playboy trying to play president.

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-23 03:27 AM | Reply

And that's what has the CFR worried - they can't control him.

#39 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-23 03:28 AM | Reply

The only people that called Obama a messiah were his haters.

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-23 12:10 PM | Reply

The only people using messiah language are on the left - Danforth

#7 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-08-22 09:29 AM

So Wayne Allen Root and Trump are leftists? Who knew?

#41 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-23 01:26 PM | Reply

Frankly the conservatives I know would consider such a statement as blasphemous.
#33 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-08-22 10:14 PM

So if your personal aquaintences didn't do it it didn't happen?

www.amctheatres.com

www.thedailybeast.com

twitter.com

#42 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-23 01:40 PM | Reply

Hat,

You can find anything you look for on the internet.

The internet is the great equalizer.

Any small group of misfits can have a voice out of proportion to their actual significance.

Any lame idea or opinion can sound more supported than it really is.

I don't care about your links and I won't read them.

Not necessary.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Normal people don't elevate politicans to diety status.

And normal people don't even consider the opinion of people who do.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 04:50 PM | Reply

Hat,
You can find anything you look for on the internet.
The internet is the great equalizer.
Any small group of misfits can have a voice out of proportion to their actual significance.
Any lame idea or opinion can sound more supported than it really is.
I don't care about your links and I won't read them.

Not necessary.

Ignorance is bliss, Bill. Too bad you won't read the links. Here's the Daily Beast one:

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo believes President Trump may have been sent by God to rescue the Jewish people from Iran, according to an interview he gave to the Christian Broadcasting Network. In an interview aired after Pompeo visited the Western Wall in Jerusalem with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday, he was asked whether Trump could be just like the biblical figure Esther, who is said to have saved the Jews with help from God. "As a Christian, I certainly believe that's possible," he responded. He went on to praise the Trump administration for ensuring that "this Jewish state remains." "I am confident the Lord is at work here," he said. Pompeo's remarks came after Trump announced Washington's decision to recognize Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights, territory that was seized from Syria in 1967.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-23 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The idea one has a mission isn't nuts.

Indeed we do not know God's intentions.

That doesnt make Trump a diety, just a man with a mission.

#46 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 04:55 PM | Reply

"That doesnt make Trump a diety, just a man with a mission."

A divinely sanctioned mission according to many of his followers.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-23 04:56 PM | Reply

Call me crazy, but I don't see Trump as a man on a God-ordained mission.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-23 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't find Hillary any different in thinking she was the chosen one.

#49 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-23 05:02 PM | Reply

Normal people don't elevate politicans to diety status.

So, all the Republicans claiming Trump was sent by God, are abnormal.

Agreed. Can we prevent them from voting?

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-So, all the Republicans claiming Trump was sent by God, are abnormal.

yes

but you might be miscalculating how many folks are actually doing that.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-23 05:04 PM | Reply

Pompeo didn't raise trump to diety status.

He was pandering to Israel, for sure.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-23 05:08 PM | Reply

#51 I've got "all the Deplorables who believe in G-d."

Conservatively, half of Trump's supporters.
The half that doesn't just vote Republican for lower taxes.
The half that votes Republican to ban abortion, re-segregate schools, expand gun rights,

You know, the right-wing Social Justice voters.

What's your calculator say?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 05:10 PM | Reply

I don't think that belief is an more dangerous than when people thought the same about Obama

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:12 PM | Reply

#54 And how dangerous is that, exactly?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 05:14 PM | Reply

" And how dangerous is that, exactly?

#55 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I give up. Tell me.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:15 PM | Reply

"The unusual thing is, true Lightworkers almost never appear on such a brutal, spiritually demeaning stage as national politics. This is why Obama is so rare. And this why he is so often compared to Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr., to those leaders in our culture whose stirring vibrations still resonate throughout our short history."
#14 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

They're paid well too.

Lightworkers Buy $15M Estate in Martha's Vineyard - nypost.com

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 05:19 PM | Reply

Eberly, I wouldn't be so sure. The GOP is filled with far more Gracies and Snipers than it is with people like you.

#58 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-23 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" And how dangerous is that, exactly?
#55 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I give up. Tell me.
#56 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

I can't.
You're the one who made the claim, not me.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 05:24 PM | Reply

"You're the one who made the claim, not me.

#59 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

I didn't make a claim. I stated an opinion. Reading and reading comprehension are fundamental.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 05:28 PM | Reply

Gal,

"Call me crazy, but I don't see Trump as a man on a God-ordained mission."

God can use anyone and anything for good.

The Bible says God puts our leaders in place.

(well...that's a topic of intense debate I'm sure)

However, that doesn't mean absolutely everything Trump might do is ordained by God. Trump is mortal and not perfect.

Might one thing Trump be doing be preordained and sanctioned by God?

Yes.

#61 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 05:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Might one thing Trump be doing be preordained and sanctioned by God?
Yes."

So, not just God-sanctioned but preordained as well?

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-23 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

All one needs to be is a willing servant, not perfect.

The spiritual world is very debated and opinions are wide and varied.

It is my opinion God might use anyone for His plan for mankind.

#63 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 05:39 PM | Reply

that doesn't mean absolutely everything Trump might do is ordained by God.

Trump is a demon spawn and he's suckered conservatives. He nurtured and fed your hatred. Got you to trust and vote for him despite who he is and how sinful a life he's lived. He's literally the seven deadly sins rolled into a fat orange sack of shht.

Might one thing Trump be doing be preordained and sanctioned by God?

Possibly two, the day he was born, and the eventual day he dies.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

God might use anyone for His plan for mankind.

So might the devil.

Case in point, Trump.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 05:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

"So, not just God-sanctioned but preordained as well?"

Sure...why not?

I have a slightly different take on "preordained" than some other Christians.

It's not so much as God is affecting something to happen, so much as God knows the effect of something that will happen before it occurs.

God created man with a free will.

#66 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 05:50 PM | Reply

Then it's not 'preordained," Bill.
Look the word up.
What you're attributing to god is omniscience.

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-23 05:52 PM | Reply

God created man with a free will.
#66 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Under his predetermined plan (see fatalism), which fully mitigates the idea of free will.

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-08-23 05:54 PM | Reply

Yav,

Ok....I'm not educated about the Bible or the proper words to use to describe things.

Just a regular (well..whatever) person who has lived and formed their own opinions about life and God and being human.

No claim to be formally educated.

Just alive.

#69 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-08-23 06:15 PM | Reply

I'm not educated about the Bible

Says the guy who denies his natural instincts in order to adhere to the Bible.

What a mindfffk you received.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 06:19 PM | Reply

"I didn't make a claim. I stated an opinion."

Whatever.

How dangerous it is when people think Trump is the messiah?

You said it's no more dangerous than when people think Obama is the messiah.

How dangerous is that, exactly?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 07:13 PM | Reply

"#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

You quoted me out of context. But you know that, troll.

Why are you so desperate for someone to respond to you?

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:19 PM | Reply

"I don't think that belief is an more dangerous than when people thought the same about Obama
#54 | POSTED BYGOATMAN"

And just how dangerous is that, exactly?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 07:23 PM | Reply

#73 How dangerous do you believe it is?

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 07:25 PM | Reply

True. He just descended from faux Greek columns and proclaimed that the rise of the oceans began to slow and the planet began to heal.

#10 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Same Faux Greek Columns "W" used, to be exact.

#75 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-08-23 11:55 PM | Reply

I am impressed with Goatman going to the Washington times as a source of his messianic claim about Obama. Especially knowing the times was owned by god himself
Sung Myun Moon, deceased. Why would anyone think that a cult owned paper like the WT would be a legitimate source for news?

The Washington Times was founded on May 17, 1982, by Unification movement leader Sun Myung Moon and owned until 2010 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate founded by Moon. It is currently owned by Operations Holdings, which is owned by the Unification movement.

#76 | Posted by Badcat at 2019-08-24 01:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Washington Times was founded on May 17, 1982, by Unification movement leader Sun Myung Moon and owned until 2010 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate founded by Moon. It is currently owned by Operations Holdings, which is owned by the Unification movement.

#76 | Posted by Badcat

The Washington Times was founded by Sun Myung Moon so conservative opinion writers could quote a 'newspaper' as a legitimate source. They became a source for right wing radio hosts following the advent of that format.

BTW, George W Bush's daddy sent him to Japan to fetch Moon and bring him back after his conviction and deportation for felony tax evasion.

Sun Myung Moon was close with George HW Bush and a strong supporter.

#77 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-24 02:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BADCAT

"I am impressed with Goatman going to the Washington times as a source."

That IS kinda funny, isn't it. Anybody that's been around this site for a while avoids the Washington Times like the plague. Using that source is practically a choice born out of desperation and a hope that everybody else will be too dumb to notice.

The Goat will have to up his game if he wants to play here.

#78 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-24 04:28 AM | Reply

Rampant & Dangerous?

Read 1984 before?

Damn y'all are --- stupid.

#79 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2019-08-25 04:07 AM | Reply

#79 - you're posting that same sentiment on multiple threads. It's hilariously self-blind and unaware. Sums up the Trumplican party these days, though. Trump's game plan: project on others your own faults and failures. In this case, "stupid."

#80 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-25 10:55 AM | Reply

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