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Friday, August 23, 2019

President Donald Trump says he has "hereby ordered" American companies to leave China, after Beijing announced plans to slap new tariffs on US goods.

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The White House does not have the authority to force companies to follow such directives, and Trump's demand came under sharp and immediate criticism from the U.S. business community, which warned that halting sales with such a large trading partner would hurt American companies and the broader economy.

"Trump may be frustrated with China, but the answer isn't for U.S. companies to ignore a market with 1.4 billion consumers," said Myron Brilliant, executive vice president at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Escalating tensions is not good for market stability, investor confidence or American jobs."

I'm sorry folks, but our current President apparently doesn't have a clue about what he's doing with his trade warring. To call his behavior irrational seems rather quaint considering all that is at risk. The GOP needs to stop making excuses and do what needs to be done or continue to watch quietly while Trump sinks the ship of state and their party's future prospects right with it.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-23 06:24 PM | Reply

- The GOP needs to stop making excuses and do what needs to be done...

Concern troll.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 06:30 PM | Reply

#2 eat schitt hypocrite.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-23 07:15 PM | Reply

"#2 eat schitt hypocrite.

#3 | POSTED BY JPW "

Profound. For you, anyway..

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:22 PM | Reply

Well, let's hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspecrts who love their cheap Chinese ----.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:26 PM | Reply

This could mitigate the ill effects of the coming recession by making more jobs here in the US.

#6 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It's too early to predict how far as this is going.

Historically, trade wars often lead to hot wars.

#7 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-23 07:29 PM | Reply

LOL, right-wingers are saying government can create jobs!!!

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-23 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

let's hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspecrts who love their cheap Chinese ----.

"Screw you WalMart shoppers!"

Sincerely,
Goatman.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 07:29 PM | Reply

The US has pretty much become oil independent, and it's been a good thing. Used to be if a Sheik sneezed, prize of oil went up. Now Iranians can capture ships in the straights of Hormuz and gas doesn't go up a penny.

Now it's time we become China independent and reap those benefits.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:30 PM | Reply

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""Screw you WalMart shoppers!"
Sincerely,
Goatman.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Exactly.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:31 PM | Reply

Thou shalt obey the Godking of Greenland!

#12 | Posted by anton at 2019-08-23 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The US has pretty much become oil independent, and it's been a good thing. Used to be if a Sheik sneezed, prize of oil went up. Now Iranians can capture ships in the straights of Hormuz and gas doesn't go up a penny.

This is the second time you've repeated this exact paragraph, word for word.

Now it's time we become China independent and reap those benefits.

I completely agree with this. But in order to do that you have to actually give a shht about America.

You have to rebuild factories and rebuild the nation.

Current politicians only care about their yearly bonuses from their favorite lobbyists.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Profound. For you, anyway..

#4 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You need new material -------.

Or at least say something profound to earn your claims to assess something profound.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-23 07:35 PM | Reply

"You need new material -------.

#14 | POSTED BY JPW"

LOL

Says the guy whose every post is a childhood taung

Oh, thanks for continuing to prove my point.

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:37 PM | Reply

This could mitigate the ill effects of the coming recession by making more jobs here in the US.

This is a bit delusional.

Corporations were moved out of the United States in order for the owners to be able to reap bigger profits.

Even if Trump convinces them to stop doing business in China. (I hope we can agree he won't be able to, he's the president not a monarch)

Even if Trump convinces them to stop doing business in China, there's no guarantee the corporations, factories, manufacturing plants, would return to America. Not when India and Malaysia and Mexico and other countries can preform the labor at a fraction of the cost.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In this latest round of tariff's by China, they're targeting auto manufactures and soybean farmers. Gee, I wonder what states would be impacted the most?

What could possibly happen if 10 or 12 months from now, the people living in that part of the country looked back at this moment and realized it had been all down hill since then...

OCU

#17 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-23 07:39 PM | Reply

"You have to rebuild factories and rebuild the nation.
Current politicians only care about their yearly bonuses from their favorite lobbyists.

#13 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Politicians don't build factories. Business men and entrepreneurs do.

#18 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:40 PM | Reply

"In this latest round of tariff's by China, they're targeting auto manufactures and soybean farmers. Gee, I wonder what states would be impacted the most?
"

Auto manufadturers will be affected I think. But farmers? In the near term. But the Chinese will start to get hungry and grumble. Globally, farmers produce very little surplus. So it's not like China can go to Europe or where ever to fill their pantries.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:42 PM | Reply

Says the guy whose every post is a childhood taung

Oh, thanks for continuing to prove my point.

#15 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You keep saying the same stupid 4 words over and over as if your garbage posts are profound.

My vocabulary for heaping disdain and contempt on deplorable Trump supporters is far more diverse.

And you have to have a point to prove first.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-23 07:43 PM | Reply

Well, let's hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspecrts who love their cheap Chinese ----.

#5 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Donald J. Trump Collection buyers?

#21 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-08-23 07:45 PM | Reply

"#20 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-08-23 07:43 PM"

Cool

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:47 PM | Reply

Not when India and Malaysia and Mexico and other countries can preform the labor at a fraction of the cost.
#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Sounds like you're rooting for them.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 07:48 PM | Reply

And you have to have a point to prove first.
#20 | POSTED BY JPW

You just stepped in it.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 07:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This latest outrage is proof that the left does not believe they can win in 2020... So they are ramping things up.
Trump was trying to send a message of US solidarity to China.

#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-08-23 07:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Not when India and Malaysia and Mexico and other countries can preform the labor at a fraction of the cost.

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Good for you! You're catching on! Most liberals don't realize that if they want cheap ----, they have to live with the fact that it won't be built in America. I've spent years trying to convince them, only to told I'm wrong. Danni was one of the worst.

And I'd rather have that stuff built in Indonesia and Mexico than feed the Red Dragon and their military growth.

#26 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:50 PM | Reply

#22 finally something worth reading from you.

And yes I am cool.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-23 07:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Most liberals don't realize that if they want cheap ----, they have to live with the fact that it won't be built in America.

Yeah, without libruls Wal-Mart would have gone out of business long ago!

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-23 07:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Goatman, Brazil is going to be the new breadbasket for China, I doubt they're going to go hungry due to no imports from the US. Chinese really give a ---- what trump demands, they will find and develop markets elsewhere.

#29 | Posted by Badcat at 2019-08-23 07:54 PM | Reply

Trump was trying to send a message of US solidarity to China.
#25 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

When we win the trade war, democrats will cry that we won the trade war.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 07:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Politicians don't build factories. Business men and entrepreneurs do.

Presidents don't tell businessmen and entrepreneurs where to build their factories or what countries to pull their businesses out of either.

Which was why when you said, "This could mitigate the ill effects of the coming recession by making more jobs here in the US."

I pointed out that may not be the result.

Instead businesses would either keep their factories in China or possibly move to other cheap third world nations.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 07:55 PM | Reply

"Goatman, Brazil is going to be the new breadbasket for China,"

Where are they going to suddenly come up with that much grain and pork and beef? They don't have those kinds of surpluses. No one does.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 07:56 PM | Reply

Instead businesses would either keep their factories in China or possibly move to other cheap third world nations.
#31 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Sounds like you're rooting for them.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 07:57 PM | Reply

Brazil is on fire. literally.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 07:57 PM | Reply

Good for you! You're catching on!

Actually. I was point it out to you...

Most liberals don't realize that if they want cheap ----, they have to live with the fact that it won't be built in America.

Or you regulate business. Which. Won't be easy. First off, we're a capitalist nation. Second, people have been trained to reject socialism and unions.

So. Yea. Don't expect that to happen.

I'd rather have that stuff built in Indonesia and Mexico

I'd rather have stuff built in America. But. We both know that won't happen. For the reasons I listed above.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 08:00 PM | Reply

Brazil is on fire. literally.
#34 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Aha! A CIA plot to stop China from buying food from Brazil. /sarc

#36 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-23 08:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Where are they going to suddenly come up with that much grain and pork and beef?

Chinese investors. Tons of money. Acres of freshly burnt amazon forests.

It all adds up to China being able to depend on Brazil in the future. As for now, the rich in China are fine, and the poor can tighten their belts.

Its China. They don't care.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 08:02 PM | Reply

"Actually. I was point it out to you..."

You didn't need to point it out to me. If you had read my post, you would have known I've been pointing it out to liberals for years only to be told I'm wrong.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 08:04 PM | Reply

"Or you regulate business. "

How do you regulate it? You order business to charge less for their product to make it competitive with overseas stuff? To do that, they will have to lower wages of their workers. Then standard of living goes down

But as you said, regulation won't happen in a capitalistic economy

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 08:07 PM | Reply

"Chinese investors. Tons of money. "

That doesn't instantly turn farmland into grain and livestock. It may work for the Chinese in the long run, but they're going to be hungry before that livestock is even weaned.

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 08:10 PM | Reply

China is arguably at its most vulnerable since Tainamen. They don't want their people going hungry. Stomach rumble, people grumple. And its end of the growing season there. They're going to need food, and fast.

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 08:16 PM | Reply

Congratulations Repubicans! You built this!

Heckuva job!

#42 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-08-23 08:31 PM | Reply

Trump "orders" firms to quit China. "Hereby Ordered". lol. Who the hell does this guy think he is? China is slapping him around and he responds by making even more mistakes.

#43 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-23 08:56 PM | Reply

Who the hell does this guy think he is?

That, is a very good question.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-23 08:58 PM | Reply

U.S. tax credits to move factories to China? Corporate greed?

I Can't Quit You Baby - Led Zeppelin- YouTube

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-23 08:58 PM | Reply

Who the hell does this guy think he is?

The second coming of Jesus.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 09:10 PM | Reply

It may work for the Chinese in the long run, but they're going to be hungry before that livestock is even weaned.

#37: "for now, the rich in China are fine, and the poor can tighten their belts.

Its China. They don't care."

Plus. They've been increasing imports from Russia.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 09:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Trump was trying to send a message of US solidarity to China.
#25 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

It's hard to take him seriously when there's a factory in China pumping out "Trump 2020" banners.

#48 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-08-23 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#46

Trump doesn't think, he reacts. Trump's like a shark. When Fred told him to be one, Trump took it literally.

#49 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-08-23 09:18 PM | Reply

Plus. They've been increasing imports from Russia.
#47 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Russia? HAHAHAHA

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 09:20 PM | Reply

Remember the Carrier hype? This is different day.

#51 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-08-23 09:23 PM | Reply

Well, let's hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual suspecrts who love their cheap Chinese ----.

#5 | Posted by goatman

Well goat, using your tu quoque debate technique - you can't complain about companies making products in china because you buy chinese products, right?

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-23 09:29 PM | Reply

"Well goat, using your tu quoque debate technique - you can't complain about companies making products in china because you buy chinese products, right?

#52 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Again, you misuse tu quoque. Do I need to explain it to you again?

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 09:32 PM | Reply

Again, you misuse tu quoque. Do I need to explain it to you again?

#53 | Posted by goatman

Haha and right on cue goat raises his protective shield of semantics and word games.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-08-23 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

China let millions starve to death during the great leap forward... why anyone thinks they will bend to Trump because of a few hungry people is insane.

Trump is in over his head and being a narcissist..it won't end well

#55 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-08-23 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"China let millions starve to death during the great leap forward... why anyone thinks they will bend to Trump because of a few hungry people is insane."

Because that was decades ago. They now need those people to man their factories, or indirect support like farming.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 09:39 PM | Reply

Is Chinet acceptable??

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-23 09:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think the discussion has the point. POTUS ORDERED AMERICAN COMPANIES TO DO BUSINESS ACCORDING TO HIS WHIM.

How is that not unconstitutional government regulation? How is that Republican 'small government'?

POTUS is not a king. He has no standing to dictate where businesses locate.

Trump does not understand the limitations of his office. That is the big story here. This dictate is dumber than telling Mexico to pay for his vanity wall.

The fact that this has sailed over the little Zika heads of his troll army's attention confirms a lot.

#58 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-08-23 10:09 PM | Reply

Should read "has missed the point'

#59 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-08-23 10:11 PM | Reply

"#58 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR "

Typical liberal. Whine at Trump because of overseas American copanoes, then whine when he tells them to leave. LOL You gys crack me up.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 10:12 PM | Reply

OWS

"POTUS is not a king. He has no standing to dictate where businesses locate."

And therein lies Trump's problem. He wants very much to have that power and someday hopes he will, and much more, if all goes to plan.

These edicts are just Trump showing his impatience. He wants what he wants and he wants it NOW (like the spoiled brat he's always been). He's not getting any younger, ya' know.

#61 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-23 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Russia? HAHAHAHA

#50 | POSTED BY comrade SHEEPLE+5otherpersonalities

Don't let daddy Vlad see this. I hear WiFi access in Siberia sucks.

#62 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-23 10:36 PM | Reply

Trump does not understand the limitations of his office. That is the big story here. This dictate is dumber than telling Mexico to pay for his vanity wall.

The fact that this has sailed over the little Zika heads of his troll army's attention confirms a lot.

#58 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

His idiot cult followers don't understand his limitations either.
This thread is exhibit A to prove the point.

#63 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-23 10:39 PM | Reply

Like I asked in the other thread does this effect Barbie Trump's clothing line?

#64 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-23 10:41 PM | Reply

"Is Chinet acceptable??"

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr

NO, absolutely not. Soon to be followed by "French" wine or anything else that starts with "Fr"

One can't be too careful, ya' know. ~ LOL

#65 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-23 10:41 PM | Reply

Like I asked in the other thread does this effect Barbie Trump's clothing line?

Diplomatic Immunity has its perks.

#66 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-23 10:43 PM | Reply

We are all Dennis.
www.youtube.com

#67 | Posted by cbob at 2019-08-23 10:44 PM | Reply

ABORTED

"Like I asked in the other thread does this effect Barbie Trump's clothing line?"

Not even a little bit. Haven't you heard? There are built in "exceptions."

#68 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-23 10:45 PM | Reply

@ Twin.....

Ahhh, I see.

#69 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-23 10:46 PM | Reply

#50 | POSTED BY SHERP THE (R)TARD

Here you go Sherp.


Chinese Farmers Are Growing Soybeans in Russia as China Substitutes U.S. Suppliers
www.caixinglobal.com

China to boost imports of Russian soybeans, cutting out US crop exports
www.rt.com

China and Russia vow to deepen trade in soybeans' after tariff war kills US crop exports
amp.scmp.com

China approves wheat, soy imports from Russia
mobile.reuters.com

Surprise Winner From the U.S.-China Trade Spat: Russian Soybean Farmers
www.wsj.com


Read up, dumb fffk.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 10:53 PM | Reply

#70 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Sounds like you're rooting for them.

#71 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 10:56 PM | Reply

#70 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Why do you do this to your mother?

What can't you be more like your brother?

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 11:02 PM | Reply

#70 - dumb fffk don't get that the Chinese aren't going to come back to America for soybeans. Trump's damage is going to last for a long, long time.

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-23 11:07 PM | Reply

CLOWN

And China and Russia solve their problem while Trump, stuck in his Terrible Twos, vows to throw tantrums every day.

Good plan. ~ LOL

#74 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-23 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#73 | POSTED BY YAV

Why do you support Monsanto? - www.sourcewatch.org

#75 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 11:17 PM | Reply

the Chinese aren't going to come back to America for soybeans. Trump's damage is going to last for a long, long time.

Yep. Putin couldn't be more pleased.

Plus, Trump removed sanction on Russia, gave them Syria and Crimea, destroyed our relations with our allied nations, granted Kim world recognition, has lost American jobs, put us further in debt, increased taxes on the poor, emboldened white supremacists, and is spending our tax dollars like there's no tomorrow.

He literally can't open his mouth without lying, has been attacking journalists, judges, business owners, military vets.

He gained momentum by attacking Mexicans, Muslims, and immigrants.

He has personally attacked any progress this nation has had since 1945.

And his cult of sycophants goose step behind him. Because all they care about is owning libs...

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 11:21 PM | Reply

#75 - you'd have one boring time here if you couldn't assign positions to people and then attack them for what you just made up about them. Of course it's so transparent and stupid it should embarrass you. If you had that level of self-awareness.

Sad.

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-23 11:23 PM | Reply

There could be a lot of long lasting good effects as well. New manufacturing facilities, more jobs, improved infrastructure to support it all.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 11:26 PM | Reply

New manufacturing facilities, more jobs, improved infrastructure to support it all.

How do you see this coming about?

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 11:31 PM | Reply

"How do you see this coming about?

#79 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

If companies leave China for the US, they will have to build manufacturing facilities here (you couldn't figure this out?). The facilities will need employees. Improved infrastructure to support them.

#80 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 11:33 PM | Reply

Sherp, talking out both sides of his ------- again

First we weren't losing jobs to Russia.

Now he's okay Americans are losing jobs because he wants to pretend it hurts Monsanto.

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 11:34 PM | Reply

If companies leave China for the US,

I don't foresee this happening. But. I could be wrong.

How do you propose we ensure these companies, who may leave China, end up back in America?

(you couldn't figure this out?)

I'm entertaining your fantasy scenario. Perhaps stop with the condescension. Or is that request a one way street?

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 11:37 PM | Reply

#81 - thanks for translating that hogwash, Clown.

#83 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-23 11:37 PM | Reply

:)

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 11:38 PM | Reply

"I don't foresee this happening."

What do you foresee the displaced companies doing

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 11:38 PM | Reply

Clown and Yav, cheering on China, Russia, and Monsanto.

Disgraceful.

#86 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-23 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#86 - you'd have one boring time here if you couldn't assign positions to people and then attack them for what you just made up about them. Of course it's so transparent and stupid it should embarrass you. If you had that level of self-awareness.

#87 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-23 11:41 PM | Reply

"How do you propose we ensure these companies, who may leave China, end up back in America?"

Tax incentives or whatever he did to bring these back:

www.usatoday.com

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 11:41 PM | Reply

#85

Finding the next third world nation to exploit.

Malaysia, India, Indonesia, S Korea (which may be getting too expensive), Mexico, etc etc etc...

I was going to mention incentives to help attract manufacturing back to America. But we already subsidize most corporations and it doesn't seem to make a difference.

We can increase taxes on corporations who have their factories outside of America (basically the opposite of Trump's new tax law that incentivized doing so).

But. How much government control and regulations can we have in a capitalist society? After all. Socialism is something the country has been taught to fear.

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-23 11:45 PM | Reply

China first, American workers last.

--DR Left

amgreatness.com

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-23 11:46 PM | Reply

"Finding the next third world nation to exploit. "

Perhaps. But I'd rather deal with Indonsia, Mexico, S Korea, etc. than China. They will be much easier to control and it isn't likely any trade deficit with them will ogo to militarization against us.

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-23 11:48 PM | Reply

The idea that China can't feed itself without the US is absurd. A large percentage of our agricultural exports to China are only bought so the shipping fleet doesn't sail back empty. They load up on animal feed like alfalfa and soy for the return leg. (Let's not try to make sense of why drought-stricken California grows hay for Chinese cows)
China has been on a spending spree for over a decade buying food producers all over the world. They recently acquired the largest dairy farm in Australia and Smithfield meat packing in Virginia. They've spent billions on the new silk road project with Russia more than eager to make deals on pork, poultry and grain. Virtually all of central Africa has become one giant Chinese debt trap.

But let's suppose this starve-them-out theory is somehow tethered to reality. And of course we'll need to momentarily ignore the obvious ethics of such a plan and what kind of 'person' backs such a plan.
So you get your wish and 10, 20, 30 million people are starving to death in a heathen Communist regime with nuclear weapons. What happens next? You think they'll just pack it up and agree to make cheaper washing machines?

#92 | Posted by BluSky at 2019-08-24 12:22 AM | Reply

There could be a lot of long lasting good effects as well. New manufacturing facilities, more jobs, improved infrastructure to support it all. If companies leave China for the US, they will have to build manufacturing facilities here (you couldn't figure this out?). The facilities will need employees. Improved infrastructure to support them.

Yes but... and there is always a BUT... you can have all the infrastructure you like in USA. The products will never be as cheap as those they made in China.

Never.

No matter what kind of assembly like magic to bring forward.

Would I buy an iPhone that costs 1.5 to twice what it costs now (leave aside the fact I hate Apple) or would I buy a Samsung or Huawei?

Your scenario will only work if you cut off USA from the outside world and FORCE people to buy only American-made.

#93 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-24 12:50 AM | Reply

Indonsia, Mexico, S Korea, etc. than China. They will be much easier to control

Afghanistan is like dirt compared to "Indonesia, Mexico, S Korea, etc."

Could you control Afghanistan? LOL

Somalia? Black Hawk Down?

No?

Let's leave the fantasies about "control" in the dumpster where they belong.

#94 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-24 12:53 AM | Reply

No matter what kind of assembly like magic to bring forward. = No matter what ASSEMBLY LINE magic YOU bring forward.

Oops... the errors are much regretted.

#95 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-24 12:54 AM | Reply

Could you control Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is landlocked. Makes it both impossible to conquer and impossible for it to develop.

If Afghanistan had so much as a mile of coastline the US Navy would have rolled it up like a cheap rug a long time ago.

#96 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-08-24 01:05 AM | Reply

Trump Orders U.S. Firms to Quit China

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

#97 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-24 03:59 AM | Reply

If Afghanistan had so much as a mile of coastline the US Navy would have rolled it up like a cheap rug a long time ago.

Somalia....

No?

So much for rolled up like a cheap rug. LOL

But, yes it might have made a difference. How much, is hard to say.

#98 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-24 07:30 AM | Reply

Makes it both impossible to conquer

Actually, the Russian conquered Afghanistan just fine.

The conquest was total, it was efficient, it was brutal and it was permanent.

They had to be pushed out by equally brutal methods, no thanks to the Afghans.

So conquering Afghanistan is not so hard. Keeping it is easy too... IF you can kill off it's nice and charming neighbor (which is actually impossible). LOL

There is a reason, when the Berlin Wall fell, the Germans sent the very first brick to the Pakistan embassy. It's on display as a gift from the people of Germany to the Pakistan spy agency.

#99 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-08-24 08:08 AM | Reply

It may work for the Chinese in the long run, but they're going to be hungry before that livestock is even weaned.

Brazil exported a total of 1,850,000 metric tons of beef in 2016, making it the world's largest beef exporter.Dec 10, 2018
The World's Largest Exporters of Beef - WorldAtlas.com

#100 | Posted by cjk85 at 2019-08-24 02:38 PM | Reply

"Brazil exported a total of 1,850,000 metric tons of beef in 2016, making it the world's largest beef exporter.Dec 10, 2018
The World's Largest Exporters of Beef - WorldAtlas.com

#100 | POSTED BY CJK85 "

I get that and I don't deny it. But if Brazil starts redirecting that beef to China, the people to whom they previously exported it to will be going without.

Food production is much like oil. There is just enough produced to satisfy demand, i.e. very little surplus. Farmers don't like having product that doesn't get sold.

#101 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-24 02:55 PM | Reply

Tax incentives or whatever he did to bring these back:
www.usatoday.com

#88 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2019-08-23 11:41 PM

What tax incentives can you give a company that isn't paying any?

Also you need to realize that any tax incentive is just a way of shifting their costs from the customers who use their services or buy their goods and putting it on everyone else. If you actually believe capitalism works then their product should be priced such that the customers pay all of the costs. The company should pay taxes that fund the government services they use and yes that SHOULD be passed on to their customers. That is done by taxing the companies. When we cut corporate taxes the roads, water, sewer, roads, and such still have to be maintained and it falls on the rest of us who are not consumers of that companies products to provide them through OUR taxes

#102 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-08-24 04:23 PM | Reply

"What tax incentives can you give a company that isn't paying any?"

None. But Apple paid $35 billion in the last three years, so there is a lot of wiggle room for them, at least. I don't feel lke looking up more companies, but I do know that the more a company does their business overseas the more likely they are to pay taxes. The only reason they stay over seas rather than avoid taxes is because they still come out ahead due to cheaper labor.

"Also you need to realize that any tax incentive is just a way of shifting their costs from the customers who use their services or buy their goods and putting it on everyone else."

I do realize that. And it's a good point to bring up. When Obama was president most lefties I talked to said they would be willing to pay more for a product if it was manufactured in the US. Now that Trump is president, apparently they don't feel that way anymore. The would rather have child and slave labor made by the world's biggest polluter and violator of human rights. What difference one little letter makes, huh?

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-24 04:29 PM | Reply

China first, American workers last.

--DR Left

www.pbs.org

If he follows through with it that will be the biggest interference in our economy by an executive that I can remember.

In fact, it would be dictatorial to everyone but you and the other Trump ---- holsters.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-24 06:50 PM | Reply

"There could be a lot of long lasting good effects as well. New manufacturing facilities, more jobs, improved infrastructure to support it all."

Equally likely that there could be a teapot orbiting Pluto.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-24 07:51 PM | Reply

"#105 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

No, I'ds say the odds of my scenario are greater.

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-24 08:04 PM | Reply

That's not saying much.
Which is what you excel at.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-24 08:36 PM | Reply

That's not saying much.
Which is what you excel at.

#107 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

You are under no oblicahgion to troll if fyou have no valid rebuttal. It's OK to remain silent.

#108 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-24 08:43 PM | Reply

Still not saying much, I see.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-24 08:47 PM | Reply

"Still not saying much, I see.

#109 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Please troll someone else for a change.

THanks!

#110 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-24 08:51 PM | Reply

I'm not trolling anyone, as it turns out.
Attempting to put someone's comments in perspective isn't trolling.
Thanks for reading and understanding.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-24 10:30 PM | Reply

Y'all really are still here?

Wow. Please wake up, open your minds to honesty & close them to denial. Y'all, if you haven't figured it out yet, are truly fkd.

That would go to Corky, Snoofy, Danni, and the rest who've floated in that boat the past 15 or so years. YOU ARE DONE.

And, Goatman, good to see ya. I know you've been waiting as long as I have for these lying frauds to expose themselves for what we've know they've been all along.

It's a beautiful thing to be true, real, & a great mix of a classic liberal/conservative. Fk these fools.

#112 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2019-08-25 03:42 AM | Reply

If companies leave China for the US, they will have to build manufacturing facilities here (you couldn't figure this out?). The facilities will need employees. Improved infrastructure to support them.

----

What makes you think they'll do that? There are reasons they went to China to begin with.

#113 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-08-25 10:53 AM | Reply

#112 - Hahaha! I see others are thinking you have to be satire! If so, awesome job!

#114 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-25 11:01 AM | Reply

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