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Leon Haughton told The Washington Post that he was stopped at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport on December 29. He said he was jailed after US Customs and Border Protection agents on December 29 alleged that the three jars of honey he had brought back from Jamaica were actually meth.

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Honey is a good way to preserve magic mushrooms. The final product is called "blue honey." Ask Corkus for the recipe.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-25 05:57 PM | Reply

Too many amateur Sherlock Holmes sleuths with a government badge and a paranoid disposition ruin the cake.

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2019-08-25 07:35 PM | Reply

Moral of the story: You can buy honey at any grocery store In America.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-25 07:47 PM | Reply

Why TF did it take 82 days?!?

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-25 07:48 PM | Reply

Obama's fault.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-25 07:52 PM | Reply

#3 If you really enjoy honey you don't buy it at your local grocery store. That stuff is bland crap. I get mine from a local bee keeper, can't eat anything else now.

#6 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-08-25 11:00 PM | Reply

I guessed from the title this guy was black.
If he was a white guy like me, no way he spends 82 days in jail.

#7 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-25 11:50 PM | Reply

"I guessed from the title this guy was black.
If he was a white guy like me, no way he spends 82 days in jail.

#7 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

Um, read the story before jerking your knee.

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-25 11:58 PM | Reply

It's messed up any way you slice it.

They reduced the felony charges to misdemeanors once they cleared that there were no drugs in the honey. Why not just drop the charges?

#9 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-26 06:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Um, read the story before jerking your knee.

#8 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Um... did you read the story?

He IS black.

And in another article...

"Haughton and Morris [Haughton's lawyer] contend he was stereotyped because of his race."

Who, now, does it seem is "jerking their knee"?

#10 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-26 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Since he committed no crime, they charged him with being black in America.

#11 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-08-26 11:01 AM | Reply

Well Liberals, are you happy that a man was detained so long because of you? If we could do something to curb the amount of people trying to get into the country, we would have more resources on hand to deal with these kinds of issues. Instead, you continue to slow down the process by ensuring enough enter our borders every day so as to make sure there is no possible way to keep up with the numbers. All of this has been explained before in the past...BY OBAMA. Then Trump came up and said there is a border problem and that we can't keep up. So every story that comes out of not being able to keep up is directly attributable to Liberals, and there can be no debate since it's all right in front of your face by even your own President. Anything you say to the contrary just means you are being hypocritical and, unfortunately, hate-filled because you are only disagreeing because your side didn't win. And THAT is the very reason why America has so many problems (not that Libs are the cause of all or even most of them, but it is direct evidence that can't be denied).

#12 | Posted by humtake at 2019-08-26 11:55 AM | Reply

"Well Liberals, are you happy that a man was detained so long because of you?"

Unless it's liberals doing the false arrests and waiting 82 days to clear the guy, you're an idiot.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 11:57 AM | Reply

#12 either can't read or spent that much time typing something as a response without even opening the article.

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-08-26 01:09 PM | Reply

"Um... did you read the story?

He IS black. "

Yes I did read the story. And saw the picture. So yes, I know he's black. If you weren't so obsessed with race, you would have known I wasn't talking about his skin color. I was talking about the story explaining why he was detained for so long.

"And in another article...

"Haughton and Morris [Haughton's lawyer] contend he was stereotyped because of his race."

Who, now, does it seem is "jerking their knee"?

#10 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL "

Duh. Of course his lawyers are going to contend that. That doesn't make it true. It means more money in a litigous win. They'll probably also contend he was emotionally scarred for life, will never be able to eat honey atain, will never be able to use the word 'honey' as a term of endearment again, and will never be able to eat Honey Nut Cheerios agin. Lawyers and plaintiffs will say anything to win the litigation lottery.

#15 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 01:40 PM | Reply

" the story explaining why he was detained for so long."

Why was he detained so long? (Article is behind a paywall.)

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 01:43 PM | Reply

Why was he detained so long? (Article is behind a paywall.)

#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Best I could fathom, aside from ICE just being completely incompetent in general, is that it also happened during the Republican Government Shutdown (remember Trump saying he was happy to shut the government down for the wall that he STILL DIDN'T GET) so ICE was even less responsive than usual.

Though, Humtake is of course ignoring that little tidbit and claiming it is all the LIBERALS' fault through some sort of convoluted logic (something about things that "can't be denied"?... i dunno, kinda lost the gist of it).

#17 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-26 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SporkGoat proving once again he is dumber than a stump.
Silly (R)tarded hilljack!

#18 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-26 01:56 PM | Reply

If you weren't so obsessed with race, you would have known I wasn't talking about his skin color. I was talking about the story explaining why he was detained for so long.

#15 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Now I am totally confused. I thought you were criticizing Aborted for saying this happened due to his race (i.e. it would not have happened to a white guy).

Please clarify. What WERE you saying that Aborted was "jerking [his] knee" about?

#19 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-08-26 02:00 PM | Reply

"it also happened during the Republican Government Shutdown "

Which leaves 47 days. Meanwhile, a field test for meth exists:
www.quora.com

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 02:02 PM | Reply

"SporkGoat proving once again he is dumber than a stump.
Silly (R)tarded hilljack!

#18 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

Profound and well thought out retort

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 03:14 PM | Reply

"Why was he detained so long? (Article is behind a paywall.)

#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

FTA:

"Twenty days after his arrest, a state police lab determined that the honey, which he bought at a roadside stand in Jamaica, was in fact honey, not methamphetamine. And so the felony drug charges were dropped. But he remained in jail because, as a green card holder, the felony charges had triggered an immigration detainer.

He wasn't released until charges were dropped entirely when a federal lab test confirmed there were no drugs in the honey."

Also, the story has changed a bit. THe first time I read it, it said that the federal shutdown slowed the process. (the dataes gibe with that) I don't see that mentioned in the story now

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 03:20 PM | Reply

"Now I am totally confused. I thought you were criticizing Aborted for saying this happened due to his race (i.e. it would not have happened to a white guy).
Please clarify. What WERE you saying that Aborted was "jerking [his] knee" about?

#19 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL"

I said race wasn't mentioned in the story. Spin as you see fit.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 03:22 PM | Reply

"I'm scared to even travel right now," Haughton told The Post. "You're innocent, and you can end up in jail."

^
This is the desired outcome of Trump's immigration policy.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 03:29 PM | Reply

"Which leaves 47 days. Meanwhile, a field test for meth exists:
www.quora.com

#20 | POSTED BY DANFORTH :

Asking about those extra days is a fair question. I have no idea. But that is no reason for anyone to jump to the conclusion it was race related (I'm not talking about you, Danforth) That's like fundies saying, "God did it" in absence of any other explanation for a phenomenom they don't understand.

Field tests are just that: Tests used in the field for a quick check. They are far less accurate than lab controlled chromotography tests. It probably works much like the piss tests we used to take before getting on the helicopter when I worked offshore. They used a field test at the heliport. If it came up positive, the person was not allowed on the helicopter. He was still paid, however, while a more accurate chromotography test was done. If that came up positive, he was canned.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 03:31 PM | Reply

"But that is no reason for anyone to jump to the conclusion it was race related."

Trump's immigration policy is race related.
It was immigration related, and he's a black immigrant from a predominantly black country.
It's not so much a jumping to conclusions as simply connecting some very prominent dots.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the desired outcome of Trump's immigration policy.
#24 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

No it's not.

It's a negative effect of illegal immigration run amok, directly related to using stolen aliases, identities, fake green cards, and forged immigration documentation.

You know, the parts of the sausage you don't want to look at or smell.

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 03:39 PM | Reply

Also...

"It makes its own gravy".

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 03:39 PM | Reply

"#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

There is no evidence this is race related. Deal with it, racebaiter, or present your evidence it was race related.

Racebaiting is as detrimental to racial relations as racism itself. But there are idiots who don't understand this (or who want to fan the flames of racial strife) and continje to make false allegations based on race.

Al Sharpton would love you, snoofy.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 03:43 PM | Reply

""It makes its own gravy".

#28 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM "

Is that the old dog food commercial, or the Zappa song?

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 03:44 PM | Reply

Was the Accused a black man or a brown man? If yes, case closed.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-08-26 03:48 PM | Reply

"It's a negative effect of illegal immigration run amok"

Bull.
This guy isn't an illegal immigrant.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 03:53 PM | Reply

"There is no evidence this is race related."

Allow me to reiterate:
Trump's immigration policy is race related.
It was immigration related, and he's a black immigrant from a predominantly black country.
It's not so much a jumping to conclusions as simply connecting some very prominent dots.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 03:55 PM | Reply

- This guy isn't an illegal immigrant.

That's correct. However, because of illegal immigration run amok, fake and stolen identities, and all the other crimes you cheer on, this legal immigrant is effected. EVERY legal immigrant is effected.

Your parties sanctuary policy built that.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 03:59 PM | Reply

"It's a negative effect of illegal immigration run amok, directly related to using stolen aliases, identities, fake green cards, and forged immigration documentation."

No it's not.

Leon Haughton wasn't affected negatively by illegal immigration run amok, directly related to using stolen aliases, identities, fake green cards, and forged immigration documentation.

Leon Haughton was affected negatively, and wrongfully, by the government goons who guard our borders.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:01 PM | Reply

#34 is still incorrect.

It is because of Trump's policies that EVERY legal immigrant is effected.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:02 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Trump's immigration policy is race related.
No it's not.

It was immigration related,
Correct

...and he's a black immigrant from a predominantly black country.
So?

It's not so much a jumping to conclusions as simply connecting some very prominent dots.

Which is possible when passing through customs and immigration. Most of the story is missing. His behavior, appearance, answers to questions, nervous?, etc. I'm more interested in the honey testing positive for meth. Is this a thing? I don't know. I doubt you do either.

What i do know is that you make racist hay out of eveything.

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm more interested in the honey testing positive for meth. Is this a thing? I don't know. I doubt you do either."

The honey did not test positive for meth.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:06 PM | Reply

It is because of Trump's policies that EVERY legal immigrant is effected.
#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Due to the rampant document crimes and frauds committed by illegals.

Your pom-poms are the air beneath those wings.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 04:07 PM | Reply

- The honey did not test positive for meth.

The initial reports I read stated that it tested positive at customs and he was arrested.

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 04:08 PM | Reply

Was the Accused a black man or a brown man? If yes, case closed.
#31 | POSTED BY MODER8

That's what we originally thought. But. Goat insists there's a different reason.

Maybe he fit the description of someone they were looking for.

Back man, between 5'3" and 6'9", weighting between 120lbs and 500lbs.

I mean. They were just doing their job.

He was clearly importing Jamaican meth in those honey jars.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 04:08 PM | Reply

The field test was positive - the lab testing proved it was not.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 04:09 PM | Reply

The honey did not test positive for meth.
#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're getting hung up on insignificant details.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 04:09 PM | Reply

"Was the Accused a black man or a brown man? If yes, case closed.
#31 | POSTED BY MODER8"

And you are supposedly a lawyer? Can you close cases in court by simply citing a man's skin color and eschewing all other evidence?

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:13 PM | Reply

"What i do know is that you make racist hay out of eveything."

No.
Not out of everything.
Out of Trump's own words.

White Nationalism as Immigration Policy www.stanfordlawreview.org
I. The White Nationalism Behind Immigration Policy
A. Rhetoric

The President's statements and policies suggest that he views U.S. national identity in racial terms and seeks to preserve the nation's predominantly white identity. As a general matter, the President has parroted ideas of white cultural threat popular among white nationalists. For instance, on multiple occasions, Trump excoriated the removal of Confederate monuments as a threat to "our culture" identifying "our culture" with memorials erected to send a message of white supremacy in the name of a war fought to protect slavery. He gestured at the notion of a "white genocide""a rallying cry of white nationalists worldwide"by tweeting support for South African far-right claims that white farmers were suffering from mass killings and land seizures in that country. Most notably, following the largest U.S. gathering of white supremacists in a generation, the President insisted that some who marched in Charlottesville were "very fine people."
With respect to immigration, Trump has repeatedly disparaged various groups of nonwhite immigrants. He began his presidential campaign by denouncing Mexican migrants as "rapists." He allegedly commented that Haitian immigrants "all have AIDS" and that Nigerian immigrants would never "go back to their huts" after seeing the U.S. He repeatedly conflated Middle Eastern and Muslim immigrants with terrorists and falsely claimed that most people convicted of terrorism in the U.S. came from abroad. In addition, Trump has trafficked in age-old racist tropes, portraying immigrants as criminals, invaders, threats to women, and even subhuman. On one occasion, Trump described unauthorized immigrants as "animals;" on another, he conjured images of vermin in describing immigrants as threatening to "pour into and infest our Country." Perhaps most infamously, he reportedly railed against immigration from "-------- countries""an apparent reference to Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations"and asked why the U.S. couldn't get more people from countries like Norway.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The honey did not test positive for meth.

#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Yes, it did:

"...that the honey bottles, which were clear, had gold-colored screw tops, and were labeled "honey," tested positive for methamphetamine."

www.insider.com

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:16 PM | Reply

"The initial reports I read stated that it tested positive at customs and he was arrested."

I'd like to read those reports.

The article says "US Customs and Border Protection agents on December 29 alleged that the three jars of honey he had brought back from Jamaica were actually meth"
and
"US Customs and Border Protection agents at Baltimore's airport thought honey he had brought back from a trip to Jamaica was liquid meth."

"Alleged," "thought;" not "tested positive."

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:17 PM | Reply

"The honey did not test positive for meth.
#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're getting hung up on insignificant details.
#43 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

"You're getting hung up on insignificant *false* details.

Fixed that for you

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:18 PM | Reply

"not "tested positive."

#47 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

See post 46

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:19 PM | Reply

"officers told Haughton that the honey bottles, which were clear, had gold-colored screw tops, and were labeled "honey," tested positive for methamphetamine."

"officers " could have "told Haughton" whatever they wanted, including lies.
The words of the officers is not evidence of test results.
The actual test results are evidence of test results.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't even do a test.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't even do a test.

That's possible. It's also possible it did, in fact, field test positive. Neither of us know, do we?

But you've jumped to conclusions based solely on skin color and belief that racism is at play by dishonest cops.

Which is entirely speculation on your part. - FACT

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 04:23 PM | Reply

#50 LOL

First of all you say the honey did not test positive for meth. Whe I proved you wrong, you say the officer's word isn't valid.

Jesus, man. Just admit you're wrong. I presented evidence from a cridible source. Now it's your turn to do the same to support your claim. Otherwise it's just a subjective opinion.

#52 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:24 PM | Reply

"That's possible. It's also possible it did, in fact, field test positive. Neither of us know, do we?"

Given the absence of test results from Customs, I'm inclined to believe no test took place.
But if a test did take place, the officers need further training on how to conduct said test, since they apparently got it wrong.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:26 PM | Reply

"First of all you say the honey did not test positive for meth. Whe I proved you wrong, you say the officer's word isn't valid."

The facts are what demonstrate the officers word isn't valid.
As evidenced by the subsequent Federal lab test.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:27 PM | Reply

"I presented evidence from a cridible source"

You presented evidence, from a credible source... that Customs alleged the honey tested positive for meth.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:28 PM | Reply

"Given the absence of test results from Customs,

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

I already proved you wrong on that point.

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:28 PM | Reply

From Goatman's link:

"Twenty days after his arrest, a state police lab determined that the honey, which he bought at a roadside stand in Jamaica, was in fact honey, not methamphetamine. And so the felony drug charges were dropped."

Either the officers who claimed the honey tested positive were lying, or they didn't test the honey.

I mean. Perhaps the testing equipment the officers were using was defective.

That Jamaican meth must be amazing. Considering it can be made sold and purchased right here in America.

Yep. He was definitely smuggling in Jamaican meth.

Makes perfect sense.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 04:29 PM | Reply

After landing at Baltimore-Washington International Marshall Airport on Dec. 29 around 10 p.m., U.S. Customs and Border Protection detained Haughton for more than two hours before Maryland Transportation Authority Police put him in handcuffs, according to charging documents. The bottles with gold-colored screw tops labeled "honey" in his bag, they told him, had tested positive in a drug field test for methamphetamine.

Haughton fainted. Police took him to a hospital. Then they took him to jail.

Police in charging documents said a K-9 named Beny conducted a "random scan" and alerted to possible drugs.

"Inside the bag were three large plastic bottles labeled as honey' of suspected liquid methamphetamine," charging documents said.

Haughton and Morris say he was stereotyped because of his race. Authorities, Haughton's lawyer said, questioned him about "a big Jamaican gang and drug dealing conspiracy."

" I'm 100 percent sure I don't have drugs,' " Haughton recalled insisting to agents. " I only have honey.' "

Haughton had given up sugar years ago but drinks honey with his tea. He prefers honey from a particular bee farm in Jamaica because it is cheaper and "more pure," and he always asks friends visiting the island to bring him back some.

www.washingtonpost.com


#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There was no field test of the honey. The arrest occurred because of a drug sniffing dog's alert according to the story.

#59 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 04:31 PM | Reply

"Given the absence of test results from Customs,
#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"
I already proved you wrong on that point.

You didn't.
We don't have test results from Customs.
We have Customs alleging what those test results are.
It's like the difference between you seeing Obama's college transcripts with your own eyes, vs the New York Times telling you what his college transcripts say, without letting you see them.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:31 PM | Reply

"Either the officers who claimed the honey tested positive were lying, or they didn't test the honey."

You don't understand the difference between a field test and a lab test. I explained it upthread.

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:32 PM | Reply

"There was no field test of the honey. The arrest occurred because of a drug sniffing dog's alert according to the story.

#59 | POSTED BY TONYROM:

I provided a link that said there was. Please provide one to support your claim there wasn't.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:34 PM | Reply

- they told him, had tested positive in a drug field test for methamphetamine.

#60 - We don't have test results from Customs.

LOL. Goal posts relocated.

#63 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 04:34 PM | Reply

"I already proved you wrong on that point.

You didn't."

I did. See post 46. If you think it is wrong, please present evidence not opinion

#64 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 04:35 PM | Reply

You don't understand the difference between a field test and a lab test.

Are you implying the field test accurately showed there was meth in the honey and the lab test accurately showed there wasn't?

Because what I'm saying is, and based on the fact they cleared him of the felony charge, there was no meth.

So. Since there was no meth in the honey.

"Either the officers who claimed the honey tested positive were lying, or they didn't test the honey.

Perhaps the testing equipment the officers were using was defective."

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 04:42 PM | Reply

The text you mangled in #46 reads like this, before you mangled it:

"Charging documents seen by The Post said that prior to Haughton's arrest, officers told Haughton that the honey bottles, which were clear, had gold-colored screw tops, and were labeled "honey," tested positive for methamphetamine."

^
Again, that's only evidence of what the police told Haughton.
It's not evidence that any test actually occurred.
And TonyRoma is right in #59, the police didn't base their claim on a test that came back positive, but rather a dog that alerted.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did anyone catch this little head scratcher?

In explaining the need for two rounds of lab tests, Anne Arundel County State's Attorney Anne Colt Leitess said in an interview that the Maryland State Police crime lab is not equipped to analyze honey or liquid, so its results would not have cleared Haughton.
If the state police lab cannot analyze honey or liquid for meth why the fiddlyfrack were the police allowed to arrest him at all, even if they used some BS Dollar Tree field test?

I hope he can sue them for all that this has cost him and more.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 04:58 PM | Reply

SHEEPLESCHISM: But that is no reason for anyone to jump to the conclusion it was race related.

SNOOFY: Trump's immigration policy is race related.
It was immigration related, and he's a black immigrant from a predominantly black country.
It's not so much a jumping to conclusions as simply connecting some very prominent dots"

SHEEPLESCHISM: Which is possible when passing through customs and immigration.

^
Oh I see. Customs is allowed to jump to conclusions that are race related.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 05:09 PM | Reply

If he were white he wouldn't have received second class justice.

#69 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-26 05:14 PM | Reply

"Oh I see. Customs is allowed to jump to conclusions that are race related.

#68 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

No. When did this happen Senor Defleccion?

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 05:16 PM | Reply

"If he were white he wouldn't have received second class justice.

#69 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR "

Link or stink, racebaiter.'

Al Sharpton would be so proud of you.

#71 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 05:17 PM | Reply

"Again, that's only evidence of what the police told Haughton.

#66 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Again, you have nothing to dispute it except your own dreams of racism. I provided a link to support my claim. Now you provide one to suport yours.

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 05:20 PM | Reply

""Either the officers who claimed the honey tested positive were lying, or they didn't test the honey.
Perhaps the testing equipment the officers were using was defective."

#65 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Once again, you clearly do not understand the difference between field tests and lab tests. And once again, I explained it upthread.

#73 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 05:21 PM | Reply

Goat.

Are you of the opinion there's no possible way this was race related?

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 05:23 PM | Reply

I explained it upthread.
#73 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Which post # so I can read it.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 05:25 PM | Reply

"Are you of the opinion there's no possible way this was race related?

#74 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Anything is possible. But I steadfastly abhor it when people automatically assume it is for no other reason than the perp is black. Race baiting is as abhorrent as racism itself and does nothing but to fan the flames of racial hatred.

#76 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 05:26 PM | Reply

"Which post # so I can read it.

#75 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

25

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 05:27 PM | Reply

15 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You don't think he deserves it?

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 06:45 PM | Reply

"You don't think he deserves it?

#78 | POSTED BY JPW"

Who deserves what?

#79 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 07:20 PM | Reply

Who deserves what?

#79 | Posted by goatman

You seemed to be scoffing at the notion that he be compensated for the violation of his civil rights.

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 08:52 PM | Reply

"You seemed to be scoffing at the notion that he be compensated for the violation of his civil rights.

#80 | POSTED BY JPW "

People believe what people want to believe. C'est la vie, non?

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 08:53 PM | Reply

"I provided a link to support my claim."

No you didn't.

You provided a link that didn't address your claim one way or the other.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 08:59 PM | Reply

""I provided a link to support my claim."
No you didn't.

You provided a link that didn't address your claim one way or the other.

#82 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Repeating it over and over does not make post 46 and its claim that the honey tested positive for meth disappear, Herr Goebbels.

Now begone, troll!

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:03 PM | Reply

"Repeating it over and over does not make post 46 and its claim that the honey tested positive for meth disappear."

It sure doesn't.

It also doesn't make the police claim that the honey tested positive for meth true.

In fact it's entirely possible based on everything we know that the honey was never even tested at the airport.

All we have is a claim from the police -- two claims really, one claim that they tested the honey, another claim that it tested positive -- with no evidence that the first claim is true, and hard evidence that the second claim is false.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 09:09 PM | Reply

"It also doesn't make the police claim that the honey tested positive for meth true.

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

For the third time, troll, present hour evidence. Otherwise, (again) thank hou for your unsubstantiated opinion.

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:13 PM | Reply

People believe what people want to believe. C'est la vie, non?

#81 | Posted by goatman

Sooo...you were scoffing at the notion that he should be compensated for the violation of his civil rights?

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 09:14 PM | Reply

"Sooo...you were scoffing at the notion that he should be compensated for the violation of his civil rights?

#86 | POSTED BY JPW "

No I wasn't, troll.

Bye.

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:15 PM | Reply

A quick google search turned up this:

www.amazon.com
ruebees.com

#88 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 09:19 PM | Reply

"It also doesn't make the police claim that the honey tested positive for meth true.

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

For the third time, troll, present hour evidence."

I have, several times now.

The only evidence that Customs tested the honey is Customs saying they tested the honey.

There's no physical evidence of this test actually being done anywhere in the information available to us.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 09:21 PM | Reply

"#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Thank you for your unsubstantiated opinion

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:23 PM | Reply

Customs is the entity that has failed to substantiate their claim.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 09:27 PM | Reply

"Customs is the entity that has failed to substantiate their claim.

#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Worry about substantiating yours.

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:29 PM | Reply

The salient sentence seems to be:

Charging documents seen by The Post said that prior to Haughton's arrest, officers told Haughton that the honey bottles, which were clear, had gold-colored screw tops, and were labeled "honey," tested positive for methamphetamine.

And the salient phrase is "officers told Houghton that the honey bottles...tested positive for methamphetamine".

And the salient words are "officers told".

Since a) officers can lie by law, and do, b) officers often tell someone they found evidence to coerce them to confess, and c) the state DID test it...20 days later...

The fact the officers told him the honey tested positive is only proof the officers told him that...not proof the claim was true.

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 09:34 PM | Reply

"Worry about substantiating yours."

I'm not, because grammar and language substantiate my claim perfectly well.
The only evidence that's been presented to substantiate the claim that Customs tested the honey comes from Customs.
There's no physical evidence to support what Customs claims, at least not in the information available to us.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 09:38 PM | Reply

"The fact the officers told him the honey tested positive is only proof the officers told him that...not proof the claim was true."

Danforth gets it.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 09:38 PM | Reply

Honey is a good way to preserve magic mushrooms. The final product is called "blue honey." Ask Corkus for the recipe.
#1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-08-25 05:57 PM

Wow, I haven't heard of that for decades!

Customs is the entity that has failed to substantiate their claim.
#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-08-26 09:27 PM

How could they incarcerate someone,,let alone for three months without any evidence? How many times is honey used to preserve meth?!

Trumped up.

#96 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-26 09:39 PM | Reply

Thanks again for your unsubstantiated opinion, snoofy. And here's three more since I'm certain you'll keep repeating it, Herr Goebbels.

Thank you
Thank you
Dankeschon

#97 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:40 PM | Reply

"How could they incarcerate someone,,let alone for three months without any evidence? How many times is honey used to preserve meth?!
Trumped up.

#96 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT "

Try reading the story

#98 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:41 PM | Reply

The fact the officers told him the honey tested positive is only proof the officers told him that...not proof the claim was true.

There's no physical evidence to support what Customs claims, at least not in the information available to us.

And,

Police in charging documents said a K-9 named Beny conducted a "random scan" and alerted to possible drugs. "Inside the bag were three large plastic bottles labeled as honey' of suspected liquid methamphetamine," charging documents said.
Lastly,
In explaining the need for two rounds of lab tests, Anne Arundel County State's Attorney Anne Colt Leitess said in an interview that the Maryland State Police crime lab is not equipped to analyze honey or liquid, so its results would not have cleared Haughton.
So, the MTA police have a field test which can reliably ascertain what the state police lab testing cannot to a point of legal certainty?

#99 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 09:45 PM | Reply

Goatman: you're aware, aren't you, that cops can lie to detainees and suspects? That they can tell him it tested positive, even if they didn't test it, just to coerce a confession?

The fact the cops said XYZ is only proof the cops said XYZ. It's certainly not proof XYZ is true. And the fact it wasn't true in this case confirms there's a serious problem in the system, one way or the other.

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 09:47 PM | Reply

"The fact the officers told him the honey tested positive is only proof the officers told him that...not proof the claim was true.

#93 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Can you suggest a reason for customs officers would lie about this? Snoofy can't. Maybe it was a slow night so they decided to falsely accuse someone of meth possession? Maybe they had a back-room bet who would be the first to bust someone for meth that night and shift was almost over so they were desperate? QUote from their boss for drug busts?

Seriously, why would multiple officers lie about this? ANd not just one officer, but at least two, possible more.

#101 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:48 PM | Reply

"Can you suggest a reason for customs officers would lie about this? "

I have already, twice: to coerce a confession, making the rest of their jobs easier.

Do you ever watch police procedural shows? I do, a lot; they're often talking about the best way to lie to the interviewees to get them to trip up. Again...you do know lying to a suspect is legal, and not uncommon...right?

#102 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 09:53 PM | Reply

Snoofy and Tony are trying the case based on a news clipping.

Hilarious. Not only is there minimal information, Snoofy has decided it's racist.

LOL. What a tool.

#103 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 09:55 PM | Reply

#99

The charging document statements released so far do not directly mention field testing, and the larger question remains as to whether a field test even exists which can reliably discern methamphetamine mixed with honey at all since factually such a determination cannot even be made to the legal standard by the state police department's lab.

#104 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 09:55 PM | Reply

Do you ever watch police procedural shows? I do, a lot;

#102 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

HAHAHA. Detective Danforth is on the case.

#105 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 09:56 PM | Reply

"I have already, twice: to coerce a confession, making the rest of their jobs easier.

#102 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Why would they want a confession from him? I'm not trying to be contrived, but it makes no sense that they would want a confession for something of which there no proof.

But kudos for not playing the race card. And I'm not being snarky when I say that. That one is so old.

#106 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:56 PM | Reply

- I have already, twice: to coerce a confession

Coercing a confession is one thing, locking the guy up is another.

#107 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 09:57 PM | Reply

"Do you ever watch police procedural shows? I do, a lot; they're often talking about the best way to lie to the interviewees to get them to trip up. Again...you do know lying to a suspect is legal, and not uncommon...right?"

I don't watch TV

#108 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 09:57 PM | Reply

No I wasn't, troll.

Bye.

#87 | Posted by goatman

It was just a question.

Rather sensitive when a straight forward answer would be quite easy.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 09:57 PM | Reply

I think they just wanted his honey. I bet he didn't get it back.

#110 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 09:59 PM | Reply

"It was just a question.

Rather sensitive when a straight forward answer would be quite easy.

#109 | POSTED BY JPW "

It was just a question based on a false premise.

Fixed that for you

#111 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:01 PM | Reply

Here's my 2 cents (probably not worth even that much):

I'm seeing a ton of speculation as to underlying motives and a bunch of stuff that can't be proven.

I am not interested in any of that. Bottom line: an innocent man spent 79 days in jail over the charge that he was in possession of meth when the substance in question was honey.

Honey. That's it. Honey.

This is grossly unjust and shouldn't have happened. The reason(s) could be bad policy, racism, bad procedural rules, an attempted shakedown, gross incompetence, any combination of these.

Whatever the reason(s) was/were, I don't care. This needs to be investigated and those guilty of wrongdoing need to be dealt with appropriately.

This guy needs to be compensated for this miscarriage of injustice.

If Law Enforcement did everything by the book and in so doing it resulted in an innocent man being held in captivity for 79 days....then the lawmakers themselves need to be held accountable.

Bottom line: This needs to get fixed post haste.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-26 10:02 PM | Reply

I think they just wanted his honey. I bet he didn't get it back.

#110 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

That's what I'm thinking too. One of the cops probably has a pet honey badger and his pet is tired of enduring all of the bee stings when it invades a hive.

#113 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-26 10:03 PM | Reply

"Why would they want a confession from him? "

I've heard some dogs will react via a sign from their handlers, so maybe it was a mistaken hunch by the handler. Frankly, I believe every "sniffer" dog should have to have records kept of false positives.

"I don't watch TV"

Okay. Could you address the central issue of the legal ability to lie to a suspect? That a cop telling Haughton it tested positive isn't proof it tested positive?

And doesn't logic suggest if the state didn't have a lab capable, they certainly didn't have a field test capable?

If I had to pin it down, I'd say they pretended the dog's reaction was a "positive" test. Clearly it wasn't. But whatever it stemmed from, it a) was a mistaken hunch, and b) never should've taken 82 days to clear up. Also, there should be a "Totally Unfounded" exception for mistaken charges, so it wouldn't trigger an additional hold.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 10:07 PM | Reply

"...pet honey badger..."

Sorry, but I can't hear "honey badger" without thinking of this short video. It's hilarious, especially if you are a dachsaund owner.

www.youtube.com

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:08 PM | Reply

"Could you address the central issue of the legal ability to lie to a suspect? "

There's no proof he was lied to. This is completely irrelevant to his unlawful prolonged incarceration. He was cleared by the state of Maryland in 20 days (yes, that is still way too long) and that is when the feds stepped in during the government shutdown.

Now you and snoofy are going to have to prove a massive conspiracy between Customs and then later Immigration to keep one guy locked up that long.

I'm jjst not buying that all these agencies, state and federal conspired to keep one man unlawfully incarcerated. It's an absurd notion.

#116 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:16 PM | Reply

#116 Goat,

I don't remember who said it but the person was/is of some prominence and it went something like this: When it comes to government never assign conspiracy to something that can be chalked up as incompetence.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-26 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Charging documents seen by The Post said that prior to Haughton's arrest, officers told Haughton that the honey bottles, which were clear, had gold-colored screw tops, and were labeled "honey," tested positive for methamphetamine.

Hmm.. The liquid meth that I see is honey colored. It seems more oily than honey thick. Perhaps the officers had meth left on them that tested positive? I would investigate that.

I'm guessing Customs & Border Patrol is not able to prove they did the tests that Federal investigation has proven they either did wrong or lied about.

Someone should lose their job.

#118 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-26 10:23 PM | Reply

#117 -- that is my point exactly. It is far, far more likely government incompetence, combined with the government shutdown then, that this guy fell through the cracks rather than a state, federal, and multi-institution conspiracty to keep this one man locked up.

Occam's razor and all that.

#119 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:27 PM | Reply

"If I had to pin it down, I'd say they pretended the dog's reaction was a "positive" test."

The called it a field test, not a dog alert. That means they probably had some sort of stick that changes colors in the presence of meth. Field tests are usually something like that.

#120 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:29 PM | Reply

#115 that is awesome

#121 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-26 10:30 PM | Reply

It was just a question based on a false premise.

Fixed that for you

#111 | Posted by goatman

So if you think he does deserve compensation what was the point of your first point?

Simple question that requires a simple answer.

No word games necessary.

#122 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 10:30 PM | Reply

"Why would they want a confession from him?"

Because a confession meets the burden of proof in our legal system.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There's no proof he was lied to. "

I said it's legal for the cops to lie to him. It also follows logically that since the state didn't have a competent lab test, it couldn't possibly have had a competent field test.

"This is completely irrelevant to his unlawful prolonged incarceration."

But it's central to your claim. If you weren't aware it's common for cops to lie to suspects, you could've assumed the cops had to be telling the truth. And if you're not aware cops purposely lie to try to get a confession...well, I guess we learn something new every day.

"I'm just not buying that all these agencies, state and federal conspired to keep one man unlawfully incarcerated."

No one said they did. It could've been a mistaken hunch, gone WAAAAY bad. But you keep avoiding the fact cops can, and do lie about stuff like "positive" tests. Since there was no "test" capabilities on site, them telling Haughton it "tested" positive sure looks like a lie.

#124 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 10:37 PM | Reply

"The called it a field test, not a dog alert."

To the press, or to Houghton? If the latter, they probably misnamed the dog alert, possibly on purpose, to coerce a confession.

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 10:40 PM | Reply

"The called it a field test, not a dog alert. That means they probably had some sort of stick that changes colors in the presence of meth. Field tests are usually something like that.
#120 | POSTED BY GOATMAN"

A much simpler explanation is that they are lying.

If this stick exists, I doubt we'll ever know, but #99 makes a pretty compelling argument for doubt.

If the stick does exist, it ought to be in an evidence room, though its absence from said evidence room would be sufficient for me that Customs simply lied.

Perhaps I misread it, but I thought I saw the police use the words to the effect of "tested positive for suspected methamphetamine" which could be how Big Brother tried to wrap up the fact that their "evidence" consists of a K-9 alert that is yet to be confirmed by chemistry, and hence, no stick.

Occam's razor tells me the police performed an interrogation as they are trained to, including presenting the detainee with false or misleading information designed to elicit a confession.

Which stems from our legal system's outlook that a confession -- even a false confession that's been elicited through psychological techniques -- is nearly ironclad proof of guilt.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 10:41 PM | Reply

"If Law Enforcement did everything by the book and in so doing it resulted in an innocent man being held in captivity for 79 days....then the lawmakers themselves need to be held accountable."

You're Very Right to say the lawmakers need to be held accountable.
But you're foaming the runway with a Just Following Orders excuse for law enforcement, and that is Very Wrong.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 10:43 PM | Reply

"A much simpler explanation is that they are lying.

POSTED BY SNOOFY"

A state and federal and multi-institution conspiracy to keep a no-name traveler locked up is simpler than government incompetency?

Um, OK. You have te right your opinion, no matter how bizzare.

#128 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:44 PM | Reply

High five Danforth!
It's like we are living in the same real world, the one where American police still do this:

In the Reid technique, interrogation is an accusatory process, in which the investigator tells the suspect that the results of the investigation clearly indicate that they did commit the crime in question.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 10:47 PM | Reply

"To the press, or to Houghton? If the latter, they probably misnamed the dog alert, possibly on purpose, to coerce a confession.

#125 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

I'm not going to get bogged down in what the "field test" was.

My final position is that I think it is highly unlikely that state and federal authorities along with Customs, immigration, and whatever state institutions were involved conspired to keep this no name traveler locked up. A much more logical explanation is government incompetence coupled with the prolonged government government shutdown at the time is to blame.

BUt of course you are entitled to believe what you want. And for the record, yes, we really did land on the moon, contrived conspiracie notwithstanding.

#130 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:48 PM | Reply

"A state and federal and multi-institution conspiracy...:

No. ONE cop who made a bad guess, and other cops that went along because they thought he was probably right. That's when multiple people interrogate him, and can willfully lie about evidence if they choose. That's not a conspiracy, that's them doing their jobs as they're trained.

The rest was incompetence, quite obviously, and a timeline that exposes serious flaws in the system.

#131 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 10:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A state and federal and multi-institution conspiracy"

Not a conspiracy at all.
A result of policy that everyone who has ever watched an American cop drama knows about, even if they don't know the name:

In the Reid technique, interrogation is an accusatory process, in which the investigator tells the suspect that the results of the investigation clearly indicate that they did commit the crime in question.

As in, Border Patrol tells the suspect the honey tested positive for methamphetamine.

I would not call it a "state and federal and multi-institution conspiracy," even though they are all doing it. The fact that this is allowed is common knowledge.

As JeffJ mentioned the legislature could stop this from happening, but I do not call the fact that they haven't done it yet a conspiracy. We more or less give the police carte blanche to browbeat a false confession out of someone, and pretty much every right-winger here likes it that way.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 10:55 PM | Reply

Are we still discussing why a person would ever smuggle meth in to America from Jamaica in honey jars?

Clear, see through honey jars, full of transparent honey.

Anyone check to see if Jamaica is known for their meth?

I fully support Goat's right to his opinion.

But. If this was family feud. The top answer would be, he was detained because he's a black man entering with a visa.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-26 10:56 PM | Reply

"I'm not going to get bogged down in what the "field test" was."

Alleged field test.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 10:57 PM | Reply

"BUt of course you are entitled to believe what you want."

What are you ranting about?!? What you posted has nothing to do with what I believe. And you're completely avoiding the fact police telling Houghton it was tested if it wasn't is perfectly legal, as well as the fact it's common to lie to suspects. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy, just a mistaken hunch.

#135 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 10:57 PM | Reply

"ONE cop who made a bad guess, and other cops that went along because they thought he was probably right."

Citation needed.

The test for meth came out negative 20 days later (again, yes I admit this was too long) so you can stop harping on the possiblity the origianal test was never done or resuts faked. Even if you are correct about that, he still spent another two months after this in jail. Again, government incompetence along with the federal sutdown at the time, is the most logical explanation for why he was locked up for two more months after the test for meth came back negative.

And I have to question (here comes a firestorm from the usual suspects) why didn't he demand a lawyer during this time? Surely had he done that, this would have been cleared up faster. Maybe he didn't because the longer he was jailed, the better his chances for winning the litigatin lottery? Hey, it makes as much sense as state, and federal agencies conspiring to keep him in jail.

#136 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 10:58 PM | Reply

"What are you ranting about?"

Not ranting. Having an honest and (until this) civil debate.

I'm outta here. Hou are getting worked up, danforth.

#137 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 11:00 PM | Reply

"You are getting worked up"

You're avoiding the central fact your claim was incorrect. And you were clearly unaware it's legal--and common--for police to purposely misrepresent evidence while interrogating a suspect. The cops telling Houghton the honey tested positive for meth IS NOT PROOF the honey tested positive for meth.

Instead of admitting as much, you rant it must be a ------ conspiracy, when all it takes is one cop to believe, and the others will go with his hunch.

#138 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 11:07 PM | Reply

Not ranting. Having an honest and (until this) civil debate.

I'm outta here. Hou are getting worked up, danforth.

#137 | Posted by goatman

Always the victim.

Always somebody else's fault.

Time to grow up Goatman.

#139 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 11:08 PM | Reply

"Always the victim.

POSTED BY JPW"

Get some new material, "quality poster"

#140 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-26 11:11 PM | Reply

Again, government incompetence along with the federal sutdown at the time, is the most logical explanation for why he was locked up for two more months after the test for meth came back negative.

He was locked up for almost 3 months for a combination of factors beyond the test results. His original arrest triggered immigration protocols dictating that he be confined one way or another, or possibly be deported even with his green card status since he was charged with a felony at first. Once these were instituted, not even the dropping of charges ended his troubles with the immigration laws.

It's all explained rather well if you read the article. And you don't need the Post to read it, just google the guy's name. The same story has been reposted in various news sites from around the world that you can read for free.

#141 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 11:12 PM | Reply

Again, government incompetence along with the federal sutdown at the time, is the most logical explanation for why he was locked up for two more months after the test for meth came back negative.
He was locked up for almost 3 months for a combination of factors beyond the test results. His original arrest triggered immigration protocols dictating that he be confined one way or another, or possibly be deported even with his green card status since he was charged with a felony at first. Once these were instituted, not even the dropping of charges ended his troubles with the immigration laws.
It's all explained rather well if you read the article. And you don't need the Post to read it, just google the guy's name. The same story has been reposted in various news sites from around the world that you can read for free.
#141 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-08-26 11:12 PM

Good to understand. Thanks.

I guess I'm fixated on the faked test and "arguments" defending it.

#142 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-26 11:16 PM | Reply

Baltimore.
Black.
Immigrant Drug Dealer.

Nah, not ringing any bells.

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 11:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Get some new material, "quality poster"

#140 | Posted by goatman

That's the first time I've said that.

Unlike "quality poster".

#144 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-26 11:24 PM | Reply

"I guess I'm fixated on the faked test and "arguments" defending it."

Yeah, that's pretty hard not to notice.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-26 11:25 PM | Reply

"Citation needed."

If you don't know all it takes is one cop to say "the dog signaled an alert" for other cops to assume the dog is correct, that's on you.

And as has been pointed out above, that's not a conspiracy, that's the way they're trained.

#146 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 11:31 PM | Reply

I guess I'm fixated on the faked test and "arguments" defending it.

It's amazing how different people can read the same words and reach vastly different understandings. Many times what isn't written or stated directly is just as important as what is.

The fact is that the paraphrasing and quotes related to the charging documents do not mention any actual test of the suspected drugs. It seems that a charging document would clearly affirm that after the K9 alert and physical inspection of the bag and the finding of the suspicious bottles, the document should have said something to the effect of "Officers administered ABCD Field test kit number ***** on bottle A and the liquid substance registered positive for methamphetamine." There is nothing close to that, only the mention of the K9 alerting them that the bag contained drugs, and then the only things in the bag that would make the K9's suspicion true which I surmise led the police to decide to believe the dog instead of the man.

Even though the guy had made 18 trips to Jamaica previously (which the passport would show), had no record - much less a drug record - and was on no watch lists whatsoever.

#147 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 11:36 PM | Reply

Nominee for the Worst Thread in DR History.

Congrats...I guess.

#148 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-26 11:44 PM | Reply

" it makes as much sense as state, and federal agencies conspiring to keep him in jail."

No one has suggested a state and federal conspiracy except you. And you've yet to admit that the cops telling him it tested positive is IN NO WAY PROOF that it had tested positive.

Tony's reference to the charging documents, void of field test results, also speaks volumes.

#149 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 11:48 PM | Reply

"Nominee for the Worst Thread in DR History."

Then feel free to jump in: are YOU aware cops can and do lie to suspects, to coerce a confession?

#150 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-26 11:50 PM | Reply

Going back, I just found this:

Because the first test came up negative, she said, the state dropped the three felony drug charges but maintained the misdemeanor charge based on the drug K-9's hit and the positive field test while law enforcement sent the bottles to a Homeland Security lab in Georgia for more testing.
I hope that someone gets a hold of the same test and runs it on the honey to see whether it really shows a false positive as the MTA claim. And if it does, someone needs to ban these tests from use by LEO anywhere at anytime unless someone can logically explain why simple honey would trigger a positive meth result.

#151 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 11:51 PM | Reply

I'm completely with Danforth. I find it hard to believe that the police actually tested the honey and got a false positive. I would hope that the field test (if there was an honest one) they administered became a part of the evidence package and can be easily retrieved.

#152 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-08-26 11:57 PM | Reply

Going back, I just found this: "...based on the drug K-9's hit and the positive field test..."
#151 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

But is it good enough for Snoofy? It could be more racist lies.

#153 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-26 11:58 PM | Reply

How do you extract the meth from the honey?

What I find amusing is you are all seriously debating this crock story.

1) you don't go to Jamaica for meth. Only Ganga. Really lousy quality.

2) honey isn't a reliable method for smuggling something. Honey can be used as a preservative. But not like coffee beans to hide odors.

3) this guy got lost in the system.

4) had he been a white American citizen, no one would have checked him.

Thems the facts.

#154 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-27 12:04 AM | Reply

What I find amusing is you are all seriously debating this crock story.

My. Point. Exactly.

#155 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-27 12:06 AM | Reply

How do you extract the meth from the honey?
What I find amusing is you are all seriously debating this crock story.
1) you don't go to Jamaica for meth. Only Ganga. Really lousy quality.
2) honey isn't a reliable method for smuggling something. Honey can be used as a preservative. But not like coffee beans to hide odors.
3) this guy got lost in the system.
4) had he been a white American citizen, no one would have checked him.
Thems the facts.
#154 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-27 12:04 AM

No, it's more like honey-colored oil than thick like honey.

Apparently the water is boiled away leaving the crystal.

The article I read has no details on what is included as evidence.

#156 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-08-27 06:41 AM | Reply

The guy got 3 squares and a cot for 79 days funded by the taxpayers. He should be grateful.

#157 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-27 09:26 AM | Reply

Well you better give her back to me or its war.

#158 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-27 02:11 PM | Reply

"The guy got 3 squares and a cot for 79 days funded by the taxpayers. He should be grateful."

Stay classy, Republicans!

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-27 02:17 PM | Reply

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