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Tuesday, August 27, 2019

Brazil will reject an offer of $22 million in emergency aid from G7 countries to help fight wildfires raging through the Amazon, according to a top presidential aide, who branded the gesture as "imperialist" and said the funds should be used to "reforest Europe" instead.

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--said the funds should be used to "reforest Europe" instead.

The Eurocrat virtue signalers can afford to spend a lot more than $22 million on planting millions of trees, which scientists say is the most cost-effective way of soaking up greenhouse gases.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-27 11:17 AM | Reply

#1 Not all trees are created equal.

#2 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-08-27 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep fighting the good fight, I guess. But staying in the olden days when everyone else has moved forward is only going to hurt you and no one else.

My guess is they actually don't want to take the aid because some of it has to do with people actually coming to help, and they have many things in the Amazon they probably don't want anyone to see.

#3 | Posted by humtake at 2019-08-27 11:57 AM | Reply

As Breitbart reports:

Amazon Fires " A Big, Fat Nothingburger of a #FakeNews Scare Story

The fires are mainly on agricultural land " not virgin rain forest ...

Like so many of the environmental scare stories which grip the world's media periodically, it is a panic which has been deliberately and cynically stoked by left-leaning eco-activist groups for a number of purposes:

To generate public hysteria in order to precipitate expensive and unnecessary government action which no sober cost benefit analysis could ever justify
To raise awareness' " and, by extension, money " for the green cause
To discredit conservatives, especially those who are properly sceptical of the green agenda, such as President Trump and his Brazilian counterpart Jair Bolsonaro
To reinforce in the popular imagination the notion that economic growth and expressions of national sovereignty " in this case the interests of Brazilian farmers " are intrinsically bad for the environment
To promulgate the common received idea that the Amazon is the lungs of the planet' and therefore sacrosanct and inviolable in much the same manner as polar bears, glaciers, Pacific islands, the Great Barrier Reef, etc.
To lend false credibility to the global left's claim that the planet is experiencing a #ClimateEmergency
To invoke the spectre of the Green New Deal and, by extension, to rain on the parade of Trump 2020
To exploit the mainstream media's insatiable demand for environmental scare stories, especially in the August "silly season" when there's a shortage of real news

www.breitbart.com

#4 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-27 12:12 PM | Reply

www.breitbart.com
#4 | POSTED BY RAY

Breitbart?!

Why not post something from fakenews.com.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-27 12:13 PM | Reply

Oh goody from Breibart!! Well I'm convinced. Nothingburgers on the house!!!

#6 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-08-27 12:17 PM | Reply

Clown beat me to it.

#7 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-08-27 12:18 PM | Reply

Breitbart?!
Why not post something from fakenews.com.
#5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-08-27 12:13 PM | FLAG:

Oh goody from Breibart!! Well I'm convinced. Nothingburgers on the house!!!

#6 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS AT 2019-08-27 12:17 PM | FLAG:

Clown beat me to it.

#7 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

How about NASA ....
earthobservatory.nasa.gov

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-27 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just in case your confirmation bias doesn't allow you to read the link ...

As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years.

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-27 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--How about NASA ....

Or the New York Times

"Natural fires in the Amazon are rare, and the majority of these fires were set by farmers preparing Amazon-adjacent farmland for next year's crops and pasture. Much of the land that is burning was not old-growth rain forest, but land that had already been cleared of trees and set for agricultural use."

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-27 12:29 PM | Reply

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I listened to a segment on this this morning I learned a couple things and it reminded me that the Tropics rain forests are the lungs of the Tropics.

- The 22 Million is something of an insult in its size.
- Brazil has Hundreds of Millions set aside for just this sort of thing. It's the populist lunatic in charge who is cutting spending on everything science related and Amazon related to make maintaining the forest realistic and to quash the rights of indigenous people. (Sound familiar?)
- The rain forest pumps water from the jungle floor to the tree tops and produces/affects much of the climate around the world - not just in Brazil.
- If deforestation is allowed to rampage as it has - not just Brazil but the whole world will feel the effects.
- Continued deforestation is likely to dramatically affect Brazilian agriculture in a VERY negative way.

As for Europe replanting trees - great - but most of Europe IS actually forested. Also keep in mind that the Amazon and other Tropical Rain forests are working 365 days a year to deal with CO2. Northern forests at best are doing so about 6 months a year.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-08-27 12:32 PM | Reply

#9

And the rest of that sentence?

indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. (The Amazon spreads across Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and parts of other countries.) Though activity appears to be above average in the states of Amazonas and Rondnia

Combine that with a dryer than average year and increased wildfires across the northern hemisphere...

But. I get it Mattress.

You won't believe in global warming until it directly affects you.

Like all conservatives.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-27 12:32 PM | Reply

Why not post something from fakenews.com.
#5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

We have Drudge Retort for that.

#13 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-27 12:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--How about NASA ....
Or the New York Times

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Frankly, much better.

#14 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-08-27 12:40 PM | Reply

--You won't believe in global warming until it directly affects you.

No stupid, that's not the issue. You can believe in anthropogenic global warming, like I do, without uncritical acceptance of catastrophic global warming. Two different things.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-27 12:43 PM | Reply

Frankly, much better.
#14 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

You can't even "click" links ... so much laziness in the age of information.

--You won't believe in global warming until it directly affects you.

It won't ....

And the rest of that sentence?

Thats how you get an average, some places are above and some are below (which they didn't reference).

But I get it, you only under stand what is said, not what isn't said.

You people are lazy, yet expect me to believe there is GlobalWarming because you say so.

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-27 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

22 million?

No strings attached.
No guilt involved.
A sure thing.

#17 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-27 01:03 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris

They did mention the areas below.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-08-27 01:04 PM | Reply

--22 million?

If the rich, privileged, white Eurocrats want Brazilian farmers to stop farming, they are going to have come up with a lot more cash than that.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-27 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The NASA and NYT articles are talking about typical for the past 15 years. To be clear - massive deforestation has happened in the Amazon in the past 15 years.

I know a guy who developed a device to check DNA of trees to catch illegal loggers. He was just in a town full of illegal loggers in Peru section of the Amazon working with the federal government there. Their group had to actually run from the local police and be rescued by the military from the local police. Corruption is the name of the game. Brazil is no different. There is MASSIVE deforestation going on. I think he is working on an article about the deforestation and if he completes it and posts it I will post it here.

#20 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-08-27 01:10 PM | Reply

If the rich, privileged, white Eurocrats want Brazilian farmers to stop farming, they are going to have come up with a lot more cash than that.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian

This isn't about stopping farming it is about stopping deforestation. And if you think the poor locals are the ones with the farms don't be a fool. It's a handful of wealthy farmers. Usually it isn't even the true locals doing the deforesting but people that have come to the frontier to make a quick buck. There is tons of illegal mining going on as well.

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-08-27 01:13 PM | Reply

They want to clear some land and plant some soya beans... ya see China just lost its former connection... and uh.... ya see back in Julyyyyyyyyyy www.scmp.com

and soooooo... maybe we could start growing trees for air instead.

#22 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-08-27 01:33 PM | Reply

--maybe we could start growing trees for air instead.

Good idea. Michael "beyond carbon" Bloomberg--net worth 50 billion, could plant millions of trees by himself to make up for his massive carbon footprint created by private jets, yachts, 20 mansions, etc. Maybe some of the other wealthy jet-setters could pitch in a few bucks as well.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-27 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Amazon Fire might not have been the best branding choice.

-Bezos

#24 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-08-27 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How about NASA ....
earthobservatory.nasa.gov
#8 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-08-27 12:22 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Just in case your confirmation bias doesn't allow you to read the link ...
As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years.
#9 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

As of August 19, 2019, you're WRONG according to YOUR SOURCE
www.earthobservatory.nasa.gov

"As a result, NASA and INPE have the same estimates of changes in recent fire activity. MODIS detections are higher in 2019 than at this time last year in all seven states that comprise the Brazilian Amazon."

Wrong again, Mackris. Still using out of date sources?

#25 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-27 02:32 PM | Reply

Good idea. Michael "beyond carbon" Bloomberg--net worth 50 billion, could plant millions of trees by himself to make up for his massive carbon footprint created by private jets, yachts, 20 mansions, etc. Maybe some of the other wealthy jet-setters could pitch in a few bucks as well.

#23 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

He already did.
$500 million to be exact.
fortune.com

Any other idiotic things you want to say?

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-27 02:36 PM | Reply

No stupid, that's not the issue. You can believe in anthropogenic global warming, like I do, without uncritical acceptance of catastrophic global warming. Two different things.

#15 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Let's see....

Do I a (A) Believe the hundred thousand climate scientists or (B) believe Nulli's high school education from 40 years ago?

I think I'll go with (A) on this one.

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-27 02:37 PM | Reply

"...branded the gesture as "imperialist"..."

Indeed. Leave them alone to run their country as they see fit. They don't exist to provide oxygen to France and Belgium.

China is building hundreds of coal-fired power plants, and yet "liberals" are cheering for them because Trump.

You people are are toxically unaware of your white privilege and obnoxious insistence on telling others what to do.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-27 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

the New York Times
"Natural fires in the Amazon are rare, and the majority of these fires were set by farmers preparing Amazon-adjacent farmland for next year's crops and pasture. Much of the land that is burning was not old-growth rain forest, but land that had already been cleared of trees and set for agricultural use."

#10 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

There is a reason Nulli never provides a link to the article: it's because he can lie about it then.

What the NY Times article actually says:

"Much of the land that is burning was not old-growth rain forest, but land that had already been cleared of trees and set for agricultural use."

However, "The number of fires identified by the agency in the Amazon region so far this year, 40,341, is about 35 percent higher than the average for the first eight months of each year since 2010."

And, "Brazil's part of the Amazon lost more than 1,330 square miles of forest cover in the first half of 2019, a 39 percent increase over the same period last year, according to the government agency that tracks deforestation."

And "The destruction of the Amazon rain forest in Brazil has increased rapidly since the nation's new far-right president took over and his government scaled back efforts to fight illegal logging, ranching and mining."

Yes, dummy, many of the fires are on already cleared land. But more fires than before are on uncleared land to expand farming in the region.
www.nytimes.com

#29 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-27 02:46 PM | Reply

"...branded the gesture as "imperialist"..."
Indeed. Leave them alone to run their country as they see fit. They don't exist to provide oxygen to France and Belgium.
China is building hundreds of coal-fired power plants, and yet "liberals" are cheering for them because Trump.
You people are are toxically unaware of your white privilege and obnoxious insistence on telling others what to do.

#28 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You're right. And if Mexico wants to test nukes on the border and let the fallout carry over to us, let them run their country!

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-08-27 02:47 PM | Reply

#30 Brazil isn't Mexico, nor is Brazil testing nukes on our border. You're logical fallacy is nothing more than exaggerated alarmism.

Brazil is free to do whatever they want to increase agriculture for their country. It's none of your business.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-27 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the problem with many Americans and their pompous self-importance.

Your streets are littered with the mentally ill and heroin addicts, and YOU want to impose yourself on others.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-27 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your streets are littered with the mentally ill and heroin addicts, and YOU want to impose yourself on others.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism

The problem with you is your Myopia.

My street is not littered with the mentally ill and heroin addicts.

Maybe you should get off your ass_keyboard and clean up yours if they are that bad.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-08-27 03:06 PM | Reply

Brazil is free to do whatever they want to increase agriculture for their country. It's none of your business.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Brazil is NOT free to do whatever it wants.

The planet is our business. ALL of our business.

If what Brazil is doing affects the rest of the world then it is definitely our business.

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-08-27 03:07 PM | Reply

the Mother Jones story:

Update, 1:15 p.m. Friday, Aug. 23: Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, included one of the misleading viral photos in a tweet Thursday. It has been retweeted more than 40,000 times and was embedded in a New York Times article about the fire.We learned since originally publishing that the photo was taken by Loren McIntyre, who died in 2003."

Macron is another one of those smug, virtue-signaling , elitist Eurocrats who want to tell Brazilian farmers what to do with their resources. He couldn't even get a carbon tax in his own country because the French working class told him to shove it.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-27 03:09 PM | Reply

Your streets are littered with the mentally ill and heroin addicts, and YOU want to impose yourself on others.
#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism

The phrasing of this post is clear evidence that sheepjism is a foreign national

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-08-27 03:33 PM | Reply

Brazil is NOT free to do whatever it wants.
The planet is our business. ALL of our business.
If what Brazil is doing affects the rest of the world then it is definitely our business.
#34 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Priceless. Now all you have to do is conquer every country who refuses to kowtow to US dominance.

#37 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-27 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your streets are littered with the mentally ill and heroin addicts, and YOU want to impose yourself on others."

Who do you think should be doing the imposing in this world?
People with cleaner streets?
Singapore?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-27 03:42 PM | Reply

"Your streets are littered with the mentally ill and heroin addicts, and YOU want to impose yourself on others."

Weird flex.
State-sponsored arsonists hold the moral high ground over the mentally ill and heroin addicts?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-27 03:48 PM | Reply

"Brazil is free to do whatever they want to increase agriculture for their country. It's none of your business."

I suppose Russia is free to do whatever they want to increase warm-water port availability for their country too.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-27 03:51 PM | Reply

Brazil is NOT free to do whatever it wants.
The planet is our business. ALL of our business.
If what Brazil is doing affects the rest of the world then it is definitely our business.
POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2019-08-27 03:07 PM | REPLY

It's Sheeple honey. He's never received enough oxygen to his brain to understand the importance of the Amazon.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-08-27 03:54 PM | Reply

"Hegemony, it's what's for supper" - Snoofy

DumberBoi - "I'm hungry"
Laura - "I'm man_struating"

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-27 04:05 PM | Reply

#42 is making #41 look spot-on.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-08-27 04:06 PM | Reply

China is building hundreds of coal-fired power plants, and yet "liberals" are cheering for them because Trump.

#28 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-08-27 02:42 PM | FLAG: TOTAL BS

You really need to lay of the whiney toned prognostications and bizarre mind reading excercizes... especially since you are expressing your goof ball mental blather on a Chinese made something or other computer gizmo... and dumping your petulant little ball of stupid on us..

Big biz turned China into the world's factory state because they didn't have strict regulations. What do whitey tighty always whine about when discussing factories going off shore? Regulations!!!!!... their blatant disregard for environmental regulations which is why China is zetting up more coal plants... This falls squarely on Big Corporations and YOUR love of cheap stuff

#44 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-08-27 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can't believe the level of not only ignorance but downright dumb in this thread.

#45 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-08-27 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It doesn't have the emotional appeal as the Amazon.

I remember a time when it was called the Amazon Jungle. "Rain forest" sounds much nicer to sensitive ears.

"Smoke from wildfires in Siberia 'covers an area bigger than the EU'"

www.euronews.com

#46 | Posted by Ray at 2019-08-27 08:25 PM | Reply

The fires are mainly on agricultural land " not virgin rain forest ...

#4 | POSTED BY RAY

Do you believe the fires stay on agricultural land like there's some kind of magical barrier? Do you not realize the land used to be virgin rain forest?

Cities are being blanketed in smoke. Fires are up 84% compared to this time last year. It's not nothing.

#47 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-08-28 02:06 PM | Reply

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