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Wednesday, August 28, 2019

MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell says he has a source who told him Russian oligarchs signed off loans given to President Trump by Deutsche Bank.

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This makes sense when one considers that Trump has a history of screwing DB out of hundreds of millions of dollar for loans he defaulted on.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 12:14 AM | Reply

Two things are funny about this:

1 AU linking to the Washington Examiner, and

2. Laurence O'Donnell, as a lead in to Madcow's show, reveals a teaser about a source that is triple hearsay, and I quote, "This single source close to Deutsche Bank has told me that"...

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-28 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It also makes sense when you consider the lengths Trump has gone to to keep anyone from seeing his tax returns or financial statements. Time and time again Trump said he'd release his tax returns when xxx or yyy happen (audits are completed, blah blah blah). Yet he continues to fight the release of anything and everything and constantly pushed against any release of any financial records.

He could be living off of loans. He could be broke. He may not be the 'brilliant businessman' his sycophants have been told he is. And since no one would lend him money with his history of stiffing lenders, it makes perfect sense he had someone in Russia and elsewhere guaranteeing his loans. Especially DB, who he's stiffed to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars over the years.

Americans deserve to know if their president is beholden to foreign powers and acting in their interests rather than ours. Trump's actions sound like a duck and quack like a duck in that regard.

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 12:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

Guess we'll see.

If you're capable of any logic reasoning, surely you must think Trump wants to keep his tax returns and finances from ever reaching public view. This despite his promising he'd do so. He hasn't, has he?

BTW, there isn't much about this allegation anywhere since the show just aired a couple hours ago.

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 01:10 AM | Reply

... surely you must think Trump wants to keep his tax returns and finances from ever reaching public view for some reason we don't know yet.

Do you support his secrecy, ROC? It's fishy. Extremely so.

Logic would dictate there are facts yet to be known that'll make him look like a crook and/or pansy doing the bidding of foreign powers due to his own financial malfeasance. Trump doth protest too much ...

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 01:17 AM | Reply

Trump's probably more nervous about the release of loan documents than his tax returns.

His tax returns may show he paid little or no taxes and/or he isn't as wealthy as he claims.

Loan documents could open him up to financial fraud charges. Michael Cohen testified Trump routinely lied about the value of various properties. Inflating their value to get loans or deflating them to reduce his local tax burden.

All but his sycophants have come to believe Trump's scared of something having to do with his business dealings. If Trump wasn't, he'd have handed over anything and everything that showed what a rich, successful businessman he is. He hasn't. All we've ever had is his word, which isn't worth the cyberspace it's reported on.

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 01:23 AM | Reply

"His tax returns may show he paid little or no taxes "

We've already seen two glimpses proving as much: the 1995 return showed over $900 million of losses, based on losing OPM. The 2005 return showed his loss carryforward had shrunken to under $200 million, meaning in those ten years he'd written off at least $700 million of other income, without paying any income taxes on that $700 million.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-28 01:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If this is true, for all intents and purposes, if Trump doesn't toe the line, Putin could arrange that his loans be called, which in essence would happen if the Russian co-signers informed Deutsche Bank that they were withdrawing their loan guarantees.

OCU

#8 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-28 01:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If this is true..."

OCU, just keepin mind this is from americanunity (I still get a kick from his on-line name since he wants anything but unity unless everyone agrees with him) Who has been called out on more stories than even speaksoftly, if you can believe that.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 01:37 AM | Reply

AU

Co-signers . . . or Partners?

It wouldn't do for the public to find out that Trump has engaged in joint ventures with Russian oligarchs in exchange for a percentage of ownership. I can't imagine any oligarch making such a bad decision without collateral.

In fact, I think the same might apply to Jared Kushner's business dealings with Saudi Arabia. I recall another time when Saudi Arabia bailed Kushner out in exchange for controlling interest in a New York hotel that had gone financially under water with a huge note coming due.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 01:50 AM | Reply

#10 | Posted by Twinpac

By now, most people would conclude that something is rotten about Trump's business dealings since he's so secretive and adamant that no one know. Now its interference in his representing the interests of America over those of foreign interests he's beholden to sinks to the level of traitorous.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 01:58 AM | Reply

AU

"Traitorous" probably wouldn't hold water in court if these "co-signers" took place before Trump was president. In fact, they might even be legal, albeit secret, and wouldn't look good to the voting public who wouldn't or couldn't differentiate between then and now.

But it would show a deep propensity Trump has for secrecy and lead to more nefarious activities since then.

The other point I'm making is that there could be other "co-signers" (partners). Saudi Arabia has bailed Trump out of bankruptsy twice in the past and he's certainly doing a lot of kowtowing in their direction right now.

#12 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 02:25 AM | Reply

OCU

"If this is true, for all intents and purposes, if Trump doesn't toe the line, Putin could arrange that his loans be called, which in essence would happen if the Russian co-signers informed Deutsche Bank that they were withdrawing their loan guarantees."

Trump's stock-in-trade is the presidency. So they (and Trump) are placing all their bets on him getting re-elected.

They all have a lot at stake. 2016 was just the wind-up for what we can expect for 2020. (including Mitch McConnell ~ Russia is building a new aluminum plant in Kentucky).

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 02:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Russia is building a new aluminum plant in Kentucky."

Trump says he wants to bring American manufacturers back to America. Apparently he doesn't mind a few Russian competitors sprinkled in.

My guess is this new Russian Aluminum manufacturer in Kentucky is going to get a lot of military contracts.

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 02:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There's more manufacturing and speculation in this thread than any Russian tinfoil plant could ever produce.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 03:12 AM | Reply

Which would explain why Mitch McConnell is blocking any legislation that would guard against Russian interference with the 2020 election.

i.e. ~ no Trump to pull the strings, no military contracts.

#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 03:15 AM | Reply

From Trump siding with Putin over his own intelligence agencies in Helsinki, to his doing Putin's bidding with respect to the G7, it is pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that Trump is indebted to Russia in a major way. I don't need someone at Deutsche Bank to tell me something this glaring.

Occam's Razor, people. Use it.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-28 03:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#16 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

You're making it up now.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 03:39 AM | Reply

Like seriously, if it isn't obvious to you at this point that Trump is Russia's bitch, then no article from anyone about anything is ever going to convince you. This nonsense about sources, who posted the article, what newspaper it's in is all just window dressing. Just admit you're going to deny reality forever for political purposes and move on.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-28 03:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#19 | POSTED BY JOE

You're making it up now.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 03:48 AM | Reply

A lot of the Jan Brady syndrome going around

"Russia, Russia, Russia"

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 03:55 AM | Reply

"Traitorous" probably wouldn't hold water in court if these "co-signers" took place before Trump was president. In fact, they might even be legal, albeit secret, and wouldn't look good to the voting public who wouldn't or couldn't differentiate between then and now.

TWINPAC

I'm talking about if foreign entanglements are behind his unwavering support as our president for Putin.

He's believed Putin over our own intelligence services. Refusals to secure our elections. Most recently calling for Russia's reentry into the G7 when our allies think that's a horrible prospect in light of Putin's invasion/seizing of Crimea and his constant efforts to undermine democracy

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 03:58 AM | Reply

OCU, just keepin mind this is from americanunity (I still get a kick from his on-line name since he wants anything but unity unless everyone agrees with him) Who has been called out on more stories than even speaksoftly, if you can believe that.

#9 | Posted by goatman

You know you're plonked so thought you'd do a drive by I wouldn't see, eh? I saw this just now before I logged in again after doing a computer restart. You're still plonked and will remain so. 27 other DR regulars agree. You add nothing here of any value.

"Called out on more stories." You're lying, as usual. Anyone can check my user history. You should have before making an ass of yourself.

You're right, I've been thinking of asking Rogers to change my handle. Hell, idiots like you won't even call out a president who cozies up with the world's worst dictators while dissing Americans and American interests. As for you, you'll never unify with anyone. Your entire MO is fighting with people. It's all you do. This site has really taken a dive since you returned, clogging up threads with your schoolyard bullschitt. Now, I'll be logged in when this posts. As they say in the UK, "Bugger off" useless moron.

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 04:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It very much looks like we are going to have definitive proof, in red glowing neon, of what a Russian Donald Trump has been all along.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 08:19 AM | Reply

So does Trump carry Russia's water just as a generally good habit and personally advantageous from his point of view or does he get specific instructions from the people who own him monetarily in one of those private Russian conversations of his?

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 08:30 AM | Reply

Waiting now for Donald Trump and Jared Kushner to bad mouth, threaten and try to boycott Deutche Bank.

#26 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 08:31 AM | Reply

24 - yeah we also heard all about the Mueller report and how Trump was just days away from being frog marched out of the White House. But do carry on.

#27 | Posted by homerj at 2019-08-28 08:34 AM | Reply

ZED

I don't know. It depends on whether or not Saudi Arabia has agreed to be Trump and Kushner's chief money lender. Of course, Saudi terms are a little steep and their collection methods are, shall we say. . . . a little rough around the edges ~ LOL

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 08:41 AM | Reply

It depends on whether or not Saudi Arabia has agreed to be Trump and Kushner's chief money lender.

#28 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-

Trump is greedy. He may have many masters. Given his behavior, perhaps even Kim of North Korea. No, I wouldn't think that Kim co-signed anything. I think that someone with access to the evidence has provided him with copies.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 08:46 AM | Reply

HOMER

"how Trump was just days away from being frog marched out of the White House. But do carry on."

I never heard any such thing. But a little wishful thinking never hurt anybody.

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 08:46 AM | Reply

Trump was just days away from being frog marched out of the White House.

#27 | Posted by homerj at 2019-08-

Trump will do an Epstein, or be done an Epstein, before he goes to prison.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 08:49 AM | Reply

HOMER

Tell me, Homer. Are you one of those poor unfortunates who have been zombified by Trump?

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 08:51 AM | Reply

Trump's scared of something having to do with his business dealings. If Trump wasn't, he'd have handed over anything and everything that showed what a rich, successful businessman he is. He hasn't. All we've ever had is his word, which isn't worth the cyberspace it's reported on.
#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 01:23 AM

"If You Have Nothing To Hide You Have Nothing to Fear" Joseph Goebbels
Liberals coming full circle.

#33 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 08:56 AM | Reply

You disclose loan co-signers on your tax returns?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:02 AM | Reply

"If You Have Nothing To Hide You Have Nothing to Fear"

#33 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-

Which is exactly the line we were hit with, hundreds of times, during the George W. Bush administration by his faithful followers.

Donald Trump is a suspect in a CRIME.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 09:02 AM | Reply

You disclose loan co-signers on your tax returns?

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2019-0

Never when they are Russian oligarchs and deputies of Putin.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 09:03 AM | Reply

Trump's oldest son said a decade ago that a lot of the family's assets came from Russia

"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

www.businessinsider.com

Eric Trump Reportedly Bragged About Access to $100 Million in Russian Money

"We don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia."
www.vanityfair.com

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

ZED

America's federal judicial system doesn't send former presidents to prison. That would be too merciful.

I wouldn't dare speak about what the SDNY has in mind though.

#38 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 09:07 AM | Reply

"If true," O'Donnell said, "that would explain every kind word Donald Trump has ever said about Russia and Vladimir Putin. If true. If true, that would be a significant factor in Vladimir Putin's publicly stated preference for presidential candidate Donald Trump over presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."

If true, then who of Trump's supporters give a ----?

Even his most ardent supporters will acknowledge Putin's preference of Trump over Clinton. So what?

There is no smoking gun in any of this.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:10 AM | Reply

If it turns out to be true that Russian oligarchs co-signed Trump's loans, it could revive interest in this connection as well:

Trump's business career is more connected to Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy than we ever knew

Deutsche Bank loaned President Donald Trump over $1 billion for his real-estate projects while Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's son led a real-estate division there, The New York Times reported Thursday.

Justin Kennedy was the global head of the real-estate capital markets division of Deutsche Bank, which loaned to Trump when other banks wouldn't.

Anthony Kennedy's retirement next month will give Trump an opportunity to shift the balance of the Supreme Court to the right.

www.businessinsider.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Donald Trump is a suspect in a CRIME.

what crime?

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:11 AM | Reply

#41 If Trump turns out to be a suspect in a crime, I'd guess money laundering.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:18 AM | Reply

"If true, then who of Trump's supporters give a ----?"

Nothing he does or has done is likely to sway his most ardent supporters.

"Even his most ardent supporters will acknowledge Putin's preference of Trump over Clinton. So what?"

Really? I don't think Trump himself has ever admitted this.

"There is no smoking gun in any of this."

Perhaps not, but if true, it could be another piece in the puzzle of why Trump, who repeatedly claimed no business dealings with Russians, wanted to keep his tax returns hidden.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:24 AM | Reply

Deutsche Bank fined for $10 billion Russian money-laundering scheme
money.cnn.com

Did Deutsche Bank Sweep Possible Money Laundering by Trump Under the Rug?

Lawmakers aren't taking the bank's word that "suspicious" transactions by Trump were legal.
www.vanityfair.com

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:33 AM | Reply

what crime?

#41 | Posted by eberly

Several.

But what crime goes with advancing the goals of an enemy nation over the interests of the United States and Oath of Office?

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ZED

If we were at war with that enemy it would be called Treason.

Right now it's just called Impeachable.

#46 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 09:47 AM | Reply

-I'd guess money laundering.

Okay. At least you named a crime.

#47 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:50 AM | Reply

"Even his most ardent supporters will acknowledge Putin's preference of Trump over Clinton. So what?"

As I said, I'm not sure this is accurate, but let's say it is. Trump having Russian loan co-signers could give us a different reason as to why Putin preferred him over Clinton.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:53 AM | Reply

"Okay. At least you named a crime."

All of this speculation is just that. One source for the story means there is a big IF involved that may not pan out.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 09:55 AM | Reply

-Really? I don't think Trump himself has ever admitted this.

there are 40+ world leaders who closely watch our presidential election and many if not most have strong preferences (selfish motivations) on who wins.

Putin is just one of them.

And Trump's supporters don't care what he's admitted.

to them it's just drama being reported in rags. national enquirer stuff.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:55 AM | Reply

-Trump having Russian loan co-signers could give us a different reason as to why Putin preferred him over Clinton.

that, by itself, even if true....is virtually meaningless.

If we can get somewhere on money-laundering....where Trump is involved...then we're getting somewhere.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:57 AM | Reply

A source close to Deutsche Bank says Trump's tax returns show he pays very little income tax and,

LOL ..

We have had "a source close" for 3 years now .... its a speculation spectacle....

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-28 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is a suspect in a CRIME. - #35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 09:02 AM
If law enforcement had probable cause that a crime had been committed, they'd have a warrant, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you wouldn't need to pretend that you have any evidence that a crime had been committed.

#53 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If You Have Nothing To Hide You Have Nothing to Fear" Joseph Goebbels
Liberals coming full circle.

#33 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Except we heard that constantly from wet pants righties when the Patriot Act was being passed and on countless badge bunny threads.

Also, the Nazis were extreme righties. Are you glad to see lefties going so far left they're right? Or are you just projecting?

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-28 10:31 AM | Reply

I'd guess money laundering.

Okay. At least you named a crime.
#47 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I'm not a lawyer so I can't think of specific crimes off the top of my head, but I'd have to think fraud of multiple types given the inconsistencies he's known for in financial filings.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-28 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump will do an Epstein, or be done an Epstein, before he goes to prison.

#31 | POSTED BY ZED

I think Trump will fake his own death to avoid prison.
I'm sure Daddy Vlad would take him in under the cloak of secrecy.

#56 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-28 11:01 AM | Reply

Except we heard that constantly from wet pants righties when the Patriot Act was being passed and on countless badge bunny threads.
Also, the Nazis were extreme righties. Are you glad to see lefties going so far left they're right? Or are you just projecting?
#54 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-28 10:31 AM

What difference does it make now what you claim righties sounded like over a decade ago?
Even IF you thought it was wrong then, why are you ok with it now? If you're not ok with it now, why are you whataboutism-ing it now?
When you see something something wrong, be morally strong enough to call it wrong.
These statements, that Trump doesn't deserve the same basic rights as any American (including the right to privacy and being secure in his person and papers), are -wrong-.
Feel free to join me in telling the dumb F**Ks making these statements how wrong they are. Help me show them that they are being blinded by their hatred and embracing the very thing that they used to pretend to abhor.
Glad? Projecting? I'm identifying a problem. You agree that lefties acting like how you pretend the right acts is a problem?

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There doesn't have to be an actual crime to be impeached. Although it would have to be something so egregious that it shocks the Senate out of their stupor ~ something they can't worm their way around.

I don't think even tax evasion or money laundering would do it. The proof itself, if indisputable, might, I say MIGHT, affect Republican fence sitters in the election but not his zombified base.

As for 2020, if Trump's internal polls look bad, I look for the GOP to quietly field a 3rd party spoiler to siphon votes from the Democrat nominee in those important swing states Trump needs to win.

#58 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 11:12 AM | Reply

Interesting.

I'd like to see a lot more substantiation about this. A lot more.

Why? Well, if it is true...

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-08-28 11:13 AM | Reply

And Trump's supporters don't care what he's admitted.

to them it's just drama being reported in rags. national enquirer stuff.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 09:55 AM |

Because they've devolved into a race of meat puppets, and will be forever shocked when the sandwich-makers come for them.

#60 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 11:30 AM | Reply

Clinton was impeached and the Senate numbers weren't there to remove - yet the Republicans still went through the process.
The Democrats are in the same situation - they have the numbers in the House, but not the Senate. The stupor is with the Dems.

#61 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-08-28 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why? Well, if it is true...

#59 | Posted by LampLighter

By all means let's have proof. Lot's and lots of incontrovertible proof.

But it already FEELS true, doesn't it? It definitely feels exactly like something we expected.

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 11:31 AM | Reply

If law enforcement had probable cause that a crime had been committed, they'd have a warrant, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and you wouldn't need to pretend that you have any evidence that a crime had been committed.

#53 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 10:18 AM

LOL.

And what's going to be you' position on Trump if a warrant is served?

Give me a break. This isn't about justice for any Trumpite. Trumpites find justice to be inconvenient, an impediment to the New Order, the Second American Reich.

Trump is a suspect, has always been a suspect, because he acts like a very guilty man; and because he has a particular kind of documented personal history most visible in hush-money payments and fraudulent businesses in the millions of dollars range.

I'm not going to be surprised if he is guilty. I'll leave it to you to create the exculpating conspiracy.

#63 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 11:37 AM | Reply

And what's going to be you' position on Trump if a warrant is served? - 63 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 11:37 AM
Consistent.
If there's evidence of wrongdoing, indict. If there's evidence to indict, show it to a jury of his peers. If the jury says the evidence is beyond a reasonable doubt, follow the appropriate sentencing guidelines.
Following hundreds of years of jurisprudence seems like the right path to me. Do you disagree? How about you explain WHY Trump should be different than any other American ever.
Why is that so damn hard? Why is that same sequence of events perfectly normal for everyone except those you don't like?

#64 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

AVIGDORE

The House can indict but a sitting president can't be convicted like a normal citizen because the Constitution calls for a different remedy ~ impeachment. At that time the jury of his peers is the U.S. Senate.

And therein lies the roadblock.

Trump will have to be beaten at the polls on election day and served up to the mercies of the Southern District of New York (May God rest his soul) and any other state that is waiting in the wings to pounce on the bastard.

#65 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 12:30 PM | Reply

How about you explain WHY Trump should be different than any other American ever.

#64 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 12:08 PM | Reply

That's exactly what we're fighting for: Trump to be treated like any other American.

That would make for one refreshing change.

#66 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- That's exactly what we're fighting for: Trump to be treated like any other American.

No you're not, little hitler. You've been storming the villages for 3 years,

dragging rumors into the street, and setting them ablaze.

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This thread is like a magnet for the DR Lefties who were soooo invested in the now collapsed Russia Collusion Narrative.

Keep grasping at those increasingly thin straws...

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-28 12:50 PM | Reply

#66 | POSTED BY ZED

Further, Zed. You've soaked yourself in the gasoline of hundreds of these exact types of threads, where some thin yarn is proposed, and the theories grow legs and become facts. Facts that then connect the dot to some other scantily dressed rumor.

The ENTIRE Russian collusion hoax was built brick-by-brick with rice paper threads like this.

You're worse than an old hen chatting up the clothesline.

#69 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The House can indict but a sitting president can't be convicted like a normal citizen because the Constitution calls for a different remedy ~ impeachment. At that time the jury of his peers is the U.S. Senate.
And therein lies the roadblock.
Trump will have to be beaten at the polls on election day and served up to the mercies of the Southern District of New York (May God rest his soul) and any other state that is waiting in the wings to pounce on the bastard. - #65 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 12:30 PM

You're discussing an untested theory based on a paper written 40 years ago. It's legal validity has never been tested. And it guides only federal actions.
The roadblock continues to not be the inability to indict, it continues to be the lack of evidence to indict.
Read it again. The problem isn't that 'nobody can indict the president'. The problem (for those who see it as a problem) is that there isn't enough evidence of wrongdoing to indict Trump on any charges. As soon as there is sufficient evidence to press charges of criminal wrongdoing, you will see an indictment in the state where it occurs. This will lead to a definitive answer to that 40 year old theory.

#70 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-28 12:56 PM | Reply

Keep grasping at those increasingly thin straws...

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-28

Donald Trump could reveal the truth about all of this today.

The man behaves as if truth is not on his side.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 12:58 PM | Reply

You agree that lefties acting like how you pretend the right acts is a problem?

#57 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

If you think you're going to catch me in an inconsistency you'll be disappointed. If nothing else I've been consistent in acknowledging the frequent poke shifts in politics whereby a side stakes out the polar opposite position depending on who's man is in the it seat.

Of course I think Trump deserves all the usual protections afforded by our legal system.

However, his tax returns being hidden are breaking a convention or tradition, not a law. That does, whether you like it or not, add significant suspicion as he's not tangling with law enforcement.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-28 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You agree that lefties acting like how you pretend the right acts is a problem?
#57 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

The asymmetry of social cognition leads to asymmetries between left and right in their perceptions of each other.

Moderates and conservatives were most accurate in their predictions, whether they were pretending to be liberals or conservatives. Liberals were the least accurate, especially those who described themselves as "very liberal."

There's truth to the stereotype that conservatives think liberals are good people with bad ideas but liberals think conservatives are bad people.
areomagazine.com

#73 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-28 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's Deutche Bank Loans Have Russian Co-signers

But we must keep all of this in perspective. After all, we all remember that time when Barack Obama wore a tan suit to a White House press briefing.

OCU

#74 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-28 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

After all, we all remember that time when Barack Obama wore a tan suit to a White House press briefing.

#74 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-28 02:04 PM | Reply

I still have nightmares.

#75 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 02:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I still have nightmares.
#75 | POSTED BY ZED

We know, Zed. we know.

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 02:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I still have nightmares.
#75 | POSTED BY ZED

Just like AOC

"Even when I was on vacation, I woke up in the middle of the night at 3:30 in the morning, um, just concerned about climate change ...It really, like, freaks me out and it can be really, really scary," AOC told a fan who asked "How can save the climate Im trying to have a nice life" sic.

"I'm freaking out man! I took the brown acid."

#77 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-28 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This thread is like a magnet for the DR Lefties who were soooo invested in the now collapsed Russia Collusion Narrative.

It's also equally, if not moreso, a magnet for all those guys who "didn't vote for Trump" yet can be found defending him, deflecting on his behaf, and ridiculing those opposed to him literaly day and night, every single day.

#78 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-28 03:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Meanwhile, Trump is still Russia's bith, and there's nothing any of his jock sniffers can do about it.

#79 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-28 03:10 PM | Reply

"Meanwhile, Trump is still Russia's bith, and there's nothing any of his jock sniffers can do about it.

#79 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-08-28 03:10 PM"

Yeah, I guess this explains the new round of sanctions the US placed on Russia yesterday. Putin begged for them and Trump obliged.

"The U.S. Imposed New Sanctions Today on Russia"

www.themoscowtimes.com

"Russia, Russia, Russia"

Jan "Joe" Brady

#80 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 03:17 PM | Reply

I've read through the entire thread but I haven't read a single post that would excuse Trump's breaking his promise to show us his tax returns. Congress has the right to demand them but he can play delaying tactics til probably the end of his term, I understand all that. What I don't understand though is why Trumposaurs have the need to defend him for breaking his own promise to the American people.
If any other President had done the exact same thing his defenders would be losing their minds. I do think that makes everyone who defends his refusal to allow us to see the returns a total hypocrite with no self-respect. Realize too that Trump is going to seriously let you all down in the end, it's what he does.

#81 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-28 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Go for it:

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

Trump's lawyers deny claims that he has Russian guarantors on his loans. Remember that if he proceeds with a defamation suit, the underlying documents would have to be made available in discovery

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-28 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on Wednesday said he made an "error in judgment" in a report about President Donald Trump's finances " walking back a story just hours after the president's attorney threatened a defamation lawsuit.

O'Donnell said his reporting "didn't go through our rigorous verification and standards process." In a tweeted statement, he added, "I shouldn't have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air."

#83 | Posted by homerj at 2019-08-28 05:17 PM | Reply

Oh no. another 'sure thang' shot out the tailpipe.

...and it had so much promise too. #HeavyTears

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 05:23 PM | Reply

Hahahaha. Like anyone took loony Laurence seriously to begin with, except for, of course, the deranged Left. How many times does Lucy have to pull away the football?

#85 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-28 05:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

What an -------. He should NEVER have gone on air unless he had the goods. MSNBC should fire him immediately.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-08-28 05:28 PM | Reply

"error in judgment" my ass. fire him.

#87 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-28 05:49 PM | Reply

Per ongoing court proceedings, more will be revealed ... DB has his tax returns and, as the original thread summary stated, "if true" ... more will be revealed. We'll see ...

#88 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 05:52 PM | Reply

BTW, since this "if true" story was so new last night and there were very few places to choose from at the time, I picked the Washington Examiner's version of it to avoid the typical right wing criticism of the source it was reported in.

It's owned by a right winger, Philip Anschutz.

Phil Anschutz's conservative agenda

It was a rare D.C. visit by Philip Anschutz, ranked by Forbes as the 37th richest man in America. But Anschutz's ownership of The Washington Examiner, a daily tabloid, and The Weekly Standard, probably the nation's most influential conservative magazine, has given him a megaphone for his right-wing views on taxes, national security and President Barack Obama that the 130 or so companies he owns have not provided him.

www.politico.com

#89 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 07:45 PM | Reply

What an -------. He should NEVER have gone on air unless he had the goods. MSNBC should fire him immediately.
#86 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Why? Its how its been since before the Election is over, why change a "good" thing....

Makes people like Zed click the "like" button, and people like AU post it hoping its true... they can't even see the pattern...

Its a money maker,when the hatred of Trump overrides what little intelligence and rational thought they appear to have.

#90 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-28 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#90

Donald Trump is worth hating. Like that scorpion that crawled in your boot.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-28 08:42 PM | Reply

Trump just gave MSNBC and Lawrence O'Donnell a big ratings boost. ~ LOL

I seriously doubt MSNU is going to be impressed with "another" threat from Donald Trump since they're so commonplace. Also, it would be an enormous scoop if MSNBC could accomplish, through discovery, the very thing the House of Representatives, with all their power of subpoena, haven't been able to accomplish for the past three years.

Who really believes Trump is going to let that happen? Especially since the SDNY is also waiting with open arms for the day when he becomes Citizen Trump, CEO of Trump Organization and a Comptroller, with an immunity agreement, named Allen Weisselberg.

You know, it might not even be the co-signer information that Trump is hiding. Trump's shady entanglements might also involve Kushner or his son Eric ~ not to mention some traceable organized crime affiliations.

I'm just saying, let's don't get so myopic about this co-signer business. There's still a lot more we could learn.

#92 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 09:22 PM | Reply

"I'm just saying, let's don't get so myopic about this co-signer business. There's still a lot more we could learn."

Maybe even the names of some Congress Critters who have more than one reason to keep those tax returns out of the limelight.

Remember when Trump used to brag about how easy it was to have a member of Congress "in his pocket?"

Now that this story has made the headlines I'm beginning to think in terms of sudden mass retirements in Congress.

#93 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 09:41 PM | Reply

#92 | POSTED BY TWINPAC
#93 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

Making it up from scratch.

#94 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-28 09:44 PM | Reply

SHEEP

And you're redundant.

#95 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-08-28 10:11 PM | Reply

Please note that MSNBC and Lawrence O'Donnell did NOT state that the material was inaccurate or untrue, only that it had not been properly vetted before being disclosed on the air. They are only retracting the disclosure of the report, not the content. They are going to attempt to get additional collaboration of the contents of the report and if they're able to do that, they will again publish their story, only this time, with the additional collaborating evidence. So I guess we'll just have to wait as time will tell.

OCU

#96 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-08-29 12:20 AM | Reply

LOL! Suckers

#97 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-08-29 12:34 AM | Reply

Womp womp womp.

#98 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-08-29 12:41 AM | Reply

Trump may or may not have committed a statutory crime, but he is committing high crimes and misdemeanors in plain sight on a daily basis. His contempt for the Constitution alone should be enough to remove him from office for failure to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".

#99 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-08-29 08:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

lol.

One unverified claim.

10,999 unverified claims to go to catch up with Humpy's ~11,000 lies.

#100 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-08-29 12:30 PM | Reply

what crime?
#41 | Posted by eberly
Several.
But what crime goes with advancing the goals of an enemy nation over the interests of the United States and Oath of Office?

#45 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-08-28 09:35 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

So how is he advancing the goals of an enemy nation? And are we at war with Russia? If not than how are they an enemy nation?

#101 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-29 04:01 PM | Reply

I'm not a lawyer so I can't think of specific crimes off the top of my head, but I'd have to think fraud of multiple types given the inconsistencies he's known for in financial filings.

#55 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-08-28 10:35 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Based on posts like this it would be fraud for you to say you had a brain.

#102 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-29 04:05 PM | Reply

Please note that MSNBC and Lawrence O'Donnell did NOT state that the material was inaccurate or untrue, only that it had not been properly vetted before being disclosed on the air. They are only retracting the disclosure of the report, not the content. They are going to attempt to get additional collaboration of the contents of the report and if they're able to do that, they will again publish their story, only this time, with the additional collaborating evidence. So I guess we'll just have to wait as time will tell.
OCU

#96 | POSTED BY OCUSER AT 2019-08-29 12:20 AM | FLAG:

Sure and I heard from a source that Ocuser is a child molester. Now it wasn't completely vetted but that doesn't make it untrue.

#103 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-29 04:22 PM | Reply

#103 -you didn't hear that, and you're irresponsible for posting that.

#104 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-29 06:51 PM | Reply

If not than how are they an enemy nation?

#101 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

From the Muller Report:

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and
systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In
June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that
Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials-hacks
that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government-began that same month.
Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in
October and November.
www.commoncause.org

Sounds like an enemy to me...

#105 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-08-29 07:09 PM | Reply

Sounds like an enemy to me... - #105 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-08-29 07:09 PM

Hacking a private corporation makes someone an enemy to the country?
Hell, I guess every country is our enemy now. Damn, we're even out own enemy.
When everyone is the enemy, no one is.

#106 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 08:32 AM | Reply

#106 | Posted by Avigdore at

You people are too damned stupid to live. I can't imagine how often people take advantage of you in your personal lives. Your existence must be one endless victimization.

#107 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-30 09:03 AM | Reply

In a Nazis occupied country circa 1941 it is clear to me that Trump supporters would have been collaborationists.

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2019-08-30 09:07 AM | Reply

What you imagine to be and what is are, as always, worlds apart.

#109 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 09:47 AM | Reply

From the Muller Report:
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and
systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In
June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that
Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials-hacks
that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government-began that same month.
Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in
October and November. www.commoncause.org

Sounds like an enemy to me...

#105 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2019-08-29 07:09 PM | REPLY

So the DNC said the Russians hacked their email. Ok, then case closed. Btw, it still has not been proven that it was the Russians unless you believe in "unnamed sources with ties to the DNC cyber response team". And btw, how credible is the DNC cyber response team? It sounds pretty fancy but did it prevent a hack? No. Did it tell dopes like Podesta not to use a password "password"?

#110 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-30 10:00 AM | Reply

Plus, actual hard forensic evidence shows it was a leak not a hack, an inside job. Why wouldn't the DNC offer their server to be be investigated? That would be pretty important if the DNC wanted proof that it was Russians. Makes more sense that it was a pissed off Bernie Supporter who saw the emails saying they were basement dwellers and morons.

#111 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-30 10:23 AM | Reply

Russian Hacker Group Cozy Bear Was Hacked By Dutch Intelligence Service

The Netherlands' AIVD gave the FBI critical evidence of the Russian government's involvement in the 2016 hacking of the U.S. Democratic National Committee.

The Dutch General Intelligence and Security Service (AIVD)"the domestic security and counterintelligence agency in the Netherlands"successfully hacked into computers that were being used by the members of the Russian government-linked hacking group known as Cozy Bear.

Through this, intelligence services in the Netherlands were able to collect evidence of Russia's hacking of the U.S. Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2016, which was promptly provided to American officials.

globalsecurityreview.com

#112 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 10:36 AM | Reply

#112 From your article. "The report published by Volkskrant is based on the accounts of six American and Dutch sources familiar with the matter. Security and intelligence officials in the Netherlands declined to comment on the subject when asked by reporters."

Where is the hard evidence and why wouldn't the DNC allow investigators to view their server to find the evidence?

#113 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-30 10:58 AM | Reply

Dutch agencies provide crucial intel about Russia's interference in US-elections

Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service AIVD have provided the FBI with crucial information about Russian interference with the American elections. For years, AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. That's what de Volkskrant and Nieuwsuur have uncovered in their investigation.

Three American intelligence services state with 'high confidence' that the Kremlin was behind the attack on the Democratic Party. That certainty, sources say, is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years.

www.volkskrant.nl

#114 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 11:03 AM | Reply

#114 Still no hard evidence and if the Dutch saw it before their eyes why didn't they warn the DNC. And still want to know why the DNC won't allow their server to be looked at.

#115 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-30 12:40 PM | Reply

"The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated," the official said.

"This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier."

CrowdStrike, the private security firm in question, has published extensive forensic analysis backing up its assessment that the threat groups that infiltrated the DNC were associated with Russian intelligence.

#116 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-08-30 01:19 PM | Reply

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