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Monday, September 02, 2019

AJulian Zelizer: The Congressional Budget Office has predicted the federal deficit could reach $1 trillion by the 2020 fiscal year. Once again, President Trump has exposed a myth in American politics. That myth? That Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility.

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Obama inherited $1.4 trillion deficits. The deficit for his last budget year was $587 billion.

Trump and the GOP managed ever increasing deficits. Now they're back over $1 trillion.

All thanks to GOP tax cuts.

#1 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Obama inherited $1.4 trillion deficits. "

What was it when he left office?

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 06:22 PM | Reply

try google, socrates.

#3 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-08-28 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"President Barack Obama had the largest deficits [of all presidents]. By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his deficits totaled $6.785 trillion. Obama took office during the Great Recession. He immediately needed to spend billions to stop it. He convinced Congress to add $253 billion from the economic stimulus package to Bush's FY 2009 budget. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act added another $534 billion over the rest of Obama's terms."

www.thebalance.com

#4 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 06:24 PM | Reply

"try google, socrates.

#3 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-08-28 06:23 PM |"

I did. I know what it is. I just wanted to see if the ever dishonest americanunity would tell the whole story.

But Im sure he's thankful for you swooping in to his defense, troll.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goatman

When Obama left office, was the budget balanced?

Answer: No

When Republicans did their $2 trillion tax-cut for corporations already making record profits, where did the money come from?

Answer: GOP deficit spending

Republicans are ridiculous hypocrites and lying douchebags, period.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-08-28 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"Republicans are ridiculous hypocrites and lying douchebags, period.

#6 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-08-28 06:47 PM "

I agree. But you posted only half of the truth.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 06:58 PM | Reply

When Republicans did their $2 trillion tax-cut for corporations already making record profits, where did the money come from?

Answer: GOP deficit spending

Borrowed money.

Haven't heard a peep from the GOP about deficits and debt, have we?

"Trickle Down Economics" is a myth. It only leads to deficits and benefits the people getting the tax cuts.

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Trickle Down Economics" is a myth.

Meaning it has never worked?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-28 07:03 PM | Reply

-Trickle Down Economics" is a myth.

Meaning it has never worked?

#9 | Posted by eberly

It's worked creating massive deficits and debt.

The most recent tax cut was hailed as leading to more jobs and investement. Instead, it led to corporations engaging in stock buybacks. AT&T, for instance, gained a gazillion in tax savings. They laid off 23,000 workers.

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-08-28 07:07 PM | Reply

"Haven't heard a peep from the GOP about deficits and debt, have we?"

You're not paying attention, then

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-28 07:13 PM | Reply

What was it when he left office?

#2 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

It says so in the second sentence.

$587 billion.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-28 07:15 PM | Reply

"Now, people ask me all the time how we got four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one-word answer: Arithmetic."

Former President Bill Clinton

#13 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-08-29 09:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If facts could explode myths, the myth that the GOP is fiscally responsible would have exploded many times over by now.
After Reagan's Trickle Down disaster.
After the S&L Bailout.
After starting a war in Iraq and paying for it by cutting taxes.
After MAPD which forbids the government from negotiating prices on drugs.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That myth? That Republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility.

No argument there. They use it because it resonates with voters.

For Democrats, class warfare works for them.

#15 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 04:38 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BYGOATMAN

Obama's 2009 Stimulus was a mere ~ $1 trillion (rounding up)

Before Obama, we spent trillions on;

- Bush Tax Cut #1
- Afghanistan War
- Iraq War
- Bush Tax Cut #2
- Medicare Part D
- Wall Street Bailout

Bill Clinton handed George Bush projected surpluses for at least a decade, and Bush and the Republicans pissed it all away.

What did regular working and middle-class Americans get in return from the trillions spent on the above list? Nothing.

Republicans are amoral hypocrites and only a right-wing hack would defend their BS.

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-02 08:52 PM | Reply

Republicans are amoral hypocrites and only a right-wing hack would defend their BS.

#16 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2019-09-02 08:52 PM |

Since the election of yet another $#! talking rich boy I am convinced they don't possess enough intellect enabling hypocrisy... they are just too stupid to see it.

#17 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-09-03 06:19 AM | Reply

(R)tards are horrible at math. Plus they'll just blame the black guy as their Orange deity can do no wrong in their eyes.

#18 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-03 08:31 AM | Reply

REpublicans use tax cuts to steal prosperity from the future and make things look good in the present. When the bill comes due they blame the dem in the white house at the time instead of the repub who created the problem in the first place..

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 11:43 AM | Reply

"Haven't heard a peep from the GOP about deficits and debt, have we?"

"You're not paying attention, then"

Or maybe actions speak louder than words. Anyone who understands the current tax code knows Republicans just proved they don't care a whit about debt and deficits.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-03 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"President Barack Obama had the largest deficits [of all presidents]. By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his deficits totaled $6.785 trillion. Obama took office during the Great Recession. He immediately needed to spend billions to stop it. He convinced Congress to add $253 billion from the economic stimulus package to Bush's FY 2009 budget. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act added another $534 billion over the rest of Obama's terms."
www.thebalance.com
#4 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

So Obama is your hero?
Inheriting a $1.4 billion yearly deficit should have averaged to $11.2 trillion over 8 years.
Instead he managed to only add $6.786 trillion despite the Great Recession, the Bush tax cuts, the Bush Medicare additions, and fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Trump...
Trump inherited a $587 billion yearly deficit and averaged over $1 trillion per year in his first 2 years.
According to your source, Trump is expected to add $6.2 trillion in deficits during his first term.
www.thebalance.com

Facts:
Obama: Cut the inherited yearly deficit 58%.
Trump: Increased the inherited yearly deficit 264% according to projections from your source
.

I don't think we need to bring Bush in since he took a surplus and his last budget was the $1.4 trillion deficit you are blaming on Obama.

#21 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-03 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I don't think we need to bring Bush in since he took a surplus and his last budget was the $1.4 trillion deficit you are blaming on Obama."

It's like blaming the anchor-leg runner for losing the race, and not the third leg guy, who ran the wrong way and dropped the baton multiple times.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-03 12:45 PM | Reply

For Democrats, class warfare works for them.

#15 | Posted by Ray

"Class warfare" is what the rich call it when the poor finally fight back.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--"Class warfare" is what the rich call it when the poor finally fight back.

Yeah like the French working class resisting Macron's carbon taxes, and winning.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-03 02:06 PM | Reply

Yeah like the French working class resisting Macron's carbon taxes, and winning.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian

That is the polluters' version of the story. The version you always believe.

Those protests were about far more than that.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 02:22 PM | Reply

--polluters'

*drink*

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-03 02:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#26 | Posted by nullifidian

By now, everyone knows you hide behind that drinking game when you cant refute a point.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 02:50 PM | Reply

"By now, everyone knows you hide behind that drinking game when you cant refute a point.

#27 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-03 02:50 PM"

Logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum. One of your faves.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 02:57 PM | Reply

Logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum. One of your faves.

#28 | Posted by goatman

You're a joke. I'm not going to plonk you. I'll still mock you and call you all the names you deserve because it drives you nuts. But dont wait for me to engage with you in any more debates and help you derail every thread into minuteau about vocabulary words instead of the topic of the thread.

Nothing to add about the republican record on deficits?

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 03:10 PM | Reply

"You're a joke.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-03 03:10 PM "

Profound. But it would be better if you could actually rebut my point that stoop to childish name calliing -- which says a lot more about you and your emotional insecurities and immaturity than it does me, of course.

"Name Calling"

www.psychologytoday.com

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 03:14 PM | Reply

#30 | Posted by goatman

Find another partner to derail the thread with child. I'm not playing.

The topic of this thread is your party's horrible record of deficits. I'm not helping you distract anyone from that.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 03:23 PM | Reply

"The topic of this thread is your party's horrible record of deficits"

#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-03 03:23 PM"

I know. Yet you hijacked it to call me childish names. LOL

I don't associate my self with a political party. I've told you that before, but apparently your brain can't remember much for whatever reasons.

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 03:40 PM | Reply

32

Speakstupid, along with a host of other morons, attempt to attach me to the GOP all the time.

It's really slowed down over the last couple years though.....because they've learned I don't care.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-03 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--.because they've learned I don't care.

You have to tell them a hundred times, though, because they have ADD or are just plain stupid or both.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-03 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's really slowed down over the last couple years though.....because they've learned I don't care."

You cared enough to vote for Hillary.
Your Faux Non-Outrage isn't fooling anyone, Eberly. :)

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 05:21 PM | Reply

I don't associate my self with a political party. I've told you that before, but apparently your brain can't remember much for whatever reasons.

#32 | Posted by goatman

Actions speak louder than words. Your actions are - parroting pollution talking points, attacking dems, defending trump, derailing every thread that is negative for republicans in to some other topic.

Then your words are - i dont associate with republicans - the party that you are refusing to address the topic of this very thread about.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Your actions are - parroting pollution talking points,"

#36 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-03 05:40 PM

Citation needed

" attacking dems, "

Yes, I do. Proof I don't associate myself with them.

...defending trump,...

Citation needed. But remember that my citing facts =/= support or endorsement. Also remember Trump is not a political party

"... derailing every thread that is negative for republicans in to some other topic."

CItation needed.

GDS runs deep with this one, too.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 05:52 PM | Reply

Speakstupid, along with a host of other morons, attempt to attach me to the GOP all the time.

#33 | Posted by eberly

Gosh all you do is attack the enemies of the GOP and never attack the GOP. Where would they ever get that idea? How unfair.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 07:52 PM | Reply

Citation needed

#37 | Posted by goatman

Derailing the thread desperately needed

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 07:53 PM | Reply

Trump is not a political party

He's the head of the Republican Party.

Glad I was able to help.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 07:59 PM | Reply

He's the head of the Republican Party.
Glad I was able to help.

#40 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-09-03 07:5"

Actually, it's Gonna McDaniel. Google it.

I'm glad I was able to help

#41 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 08:08 PM | Reply

Ronna McDaniel

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 08:09 PM | Reply

Actually, it's Gonna McDaniel.

Who?

Google it.

I did. No such person exists.

I'm glad I was able to help
#41 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

You weren't.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 08:11 PM | Reply

Ronna Romney McDaniel (born March 20, 1973) is an American politician who is the Chair of the Republican National Committee (RNC)

This woman is nobody compared to Trump.

Trump could chew her up and shht her out without a second thought and none of you republicans would care.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 08:13 PM | Reply

"This woman is nobody compared to Trump.
Trump could chew her up and shht her out without a second thought and none of you republicans would care.

#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Power wise, you are right. But she is the head of the Republican party, not Trump as you said.

Own your words for once and quit spinning.

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 08:15 PM | Reply

she is the head of the Republican party, not Trump

Have you run that past Trump?

According to him, he's the chosen one.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if he's actively destroying our economy.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 08:19 PM | Reply

"Citation needed
#37 | Posted by goatman
Derailing the thread desperately needed

#39 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-09-03 07:53 PM |"

You derailed the thread with post 3, not to mention post 29 before that. BOth posts are entirely about me and not a word about the topic. Then when I ask you to cite you lies, you say *I* derailed it?

LOL

You are a funny creature. And a lying one.

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 08:23 PM | Reply

"she is the head of the Republican party..."

No, she's the head of the Republican National Committee. Trump is the head of the Republican Party.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-03 08:25 PM | Reply

No, she's the head of the Republican National Committee. Trump is the head of the Republican Party.

#48 | Posted by Danforth

You're falling for goatman's game. Obviously trump is the head of the republican party. But goat can't defend republicans' record on deficits, so he needs to find some technicality in some statement some liberal makes anywhere on the thread and try to make the entire thread about that instead. He does it on every thread about republicans.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 08:46 PM | Reply

"You're falling for goatman's game.

#49 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

Sadly for you, no one fell for your usual ploy of lying and accusing someone of hijacking a thread as you did in post 39. I guess you forget people have PGUP keys on their keyboard.

We do. Learn this.

#50 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 08:51 PM | Reply

Goatman is already up to 33 plonks. I admit I have him plonked. So why do any of you bother engaging with him at all in the first place? Wake up already. The guy is a self absorbed troll.

#51 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-03 08:57 PM | Reply

"Goatman is already up to 33 plonks. I admit I have him plonked. So why do any of you bother engaging with him at all in the first place? Wake up already. The guy is a self absorbed troll.

#51 | POSTED BY MODER8 "

The top 19 plonks are right wingers. It's obvious who the snowflakes on this group are. Moder8 admits he's one of them.

But it's fun to notice that even though you have me plonked, you still can't stop talking about me. LOL

You may plonk me, but obviously I'm still entrenched in your head, moder8.

#52 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 09:04 PM | Reply

"So why do any of you bother engaging with him at all in the first place? Wake up already.

#51 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2019-09-03 08:57 PM"

Because not everyone is a snowflake like you. Not everyone is afraid of differing opinions. Not everyone wants to live in an echo chamber. Duh.

#53 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 09:06 PM | Reply

Not everyone is afraid of differing opinions. Not everyone wants to live in an echo chamber. Duh.

#53 | Posted by goatman

People dont plonk you because of your differing opinions. If that were true everyone would plonk everyone else. People plonk you because you waste everyone's time with your efforts to derail every debate into a fight over semantics.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 09:13 PM | Reply

"People dont plonk you because of your differing opinions.

#54 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

You don't speak for anyone but yourself. Just another facet of your delusions and lying.

#55 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 09:14 PM | Reply

Countdown to goatman's next ban. I wonder how many threads you have to ruin before the mods get sick of you again.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-03 09:33 PM | Reply

The top 19 plonks are right wingers trolls.
#52 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Edited for accuracy.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 09:40 PM | Reply

"The top 19 plonks are right wingers trolls.
#52 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Edited for accuracy.

#57 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

LOL

Nonetheless, it's the left wing snowflakes, or sock puppets of left wing snowflakes, doing the plonks. How sad to associate oneself with such a group.

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 09:43 PM | Reply

"The top 19 plonks are right wingers trolls.
#52 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Edited for accuracy.

#57 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

A trolling post calling others trolls.

You can't make this kind of ---- up.

Now, begone, troll!

#59 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 09:44 PM | Reply

"Countdown to goatman's next ban. I wonder how many threads you have to ruin before the mods get sick of you again.
#56 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

I wish you paid as much attention to yourself hijacking a thread as you accuse others of doing, hypocrite.

But I know, I know. You're a liberal and as such you live by the "do as I say, not as I do" code.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 09:46 PM | Reply

Oh look, ScroteMan is here derailing another thread about his favorite pathetic political party. If i ran a website people like him would be permanently banned on day one. I don't know ehy rcade puts up with this garbage. Maybe it increases page counts to have people arguing over --------.

#61 | Posted by Joe at 2019-09-03 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh look, ScroteMan is here derailing another thread

#61 | POSTED BY JOE "

I did look, and it was actually speaksoftly who derailed it.

GDS runs deep in this one, too.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:03 PM | Reply

I don't know why Little Angry Joe is allowed to stalk people without ever saying anything on-topic.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-03 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#62 -- another person derailing the thread to talk about someone else (albeit the wrong person) derailing the thread.

"Do as I say, not as I do". Joe must be a liberal.

#64 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:05 PM | Reply

"The top 19 plonks are right wingers trolls.
#52 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Edited for accuracy.
#57 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

LOL

Nonetheless, it's the left wing snowflakes, or sock puppets of left wing snowflakes, doing the plonks. How sad to associate oneself with such a group.
#58 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

"The top 19 plonks are right wingers trolls.
#52 | POSTED BY GOATMAN
Edited for accuracy.
#57 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

A trolling post calling others trolls.
You can't make this kind of ---- up.
Now, begone, troll!
#59 | POSTED BY GOATMAN


Goatman's multiple personalities emerge!

Goat #58 is here for fun and games, kinda reminds me of Goatman of old, who knew how to joke around and wasn't such a fkkking b*txh.

Goat #59 is the new version of Goat, always a victim, pouting and crying and only able to post "Begone troll" or "Begone stalker". Thinking he's being clever.

I enjoy Goat #58. Kinda wish Goat #59 would just shut up and take his wet blanket home with him.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 10:06 PM | Reply

Maybe it increases page counts to have people arguing over --------.
#61 | POSTED BY JOE

What do you think the DR is about?

#66 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-03 10:10 PM | Reply

and wasn't such a fkkking b*txh.

Told you ClownShack, you are a misogynist ... despite your protestations ....

#67 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-03 10:11 PM | Reply

"#65 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Hey, Joe, look! another liberal derailing the thread. Bitch and whine about it like you do when you think I do it.

Or be a hypocrite and don't.

And CS, stalker -- begone! And quite hijacking the thread as speaksoftly and Joe already have. But if you do, at least don't whine about someone else doing it as they have.

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:12 PM | Reply

People plonk you because you waste everyone's time with your efforts to derail every debate into a fight over semantics.
#54 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Kinda like Danforth .... and his "observations"?

OR Snoofy too

#69 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-03 10:12 PM | Reply

Why do I have so many stalkers?

"In the Mind of a Stalker"

www.psychologytoday.com

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:14 PM | Reply

another liberal derailing the thread.

You already derailed the thread and crashed it Goat.

The rest of us are here to observe the destruction and take pictures.

When it comes to derailing a thread, Goat is the master.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 10:14 PM | Reply

Told you ClownShack, you are a misogynist ...

When did you tell me such a thing?

despite your protestations ....
#67 | POSTED BY A MATTRESS

Let's see your proof.

#72 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 10:16 PM | Reply

stalker -- begone!
#68 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Looks like it's past goatman's bed time. So now he's all cranky. And will incessantly post "begone stalker and Begone troll" for the next 6 hours.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 10:18 PM | Reply

"Looks like it's past goatman's bed time. So now he's all cranky. And will incessantly post "begone stalker and Begone troll" for the next 6 hours.

#73 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

You're right, stalker.

I know agreeing with a stalker doesn't make him go away. Disagreeeing with a stalker doesn't make him go away. Stalkers will stalk regardless.

Anyone disbelieve me? Just watch.

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:19 PM | Reply

"You already derailed the thread and crashed it Goat.

#71 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Wrong again. your butt-buddy Speaksoftly did it in several posts prior to post 27 with posts having nothing to with the topic, but all about another poster.

I know you aren't impressed by the truth and you fear you PGUP key, but it's still fun proving you wrong.

#75 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:24 PM | Reply

like a dog, goatman continues to drag his butt on the carpet.

get a life!

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 10:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"like a dog, goatman continues to drag his butt on the carpet.
get a life!

#76 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Get a life says my stalker. LOL

Do as you say, not as you do, right?

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:36 PM | Reply

Alexandrite, quit hijacking this thread. It pisses off other liberals.

That is it should if they weren't hypocrites

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:37 PM | Reply

one comment to your two is a hijacking?

i'm only commenting on YOUR hijacking of every god damn thread you're in lately. Is it really necessary to feud with a dozen people?

#79 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"one comment to your two is a hijacking?

#79 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

This thread isn't about me. Quit hijacking it. The more you do, the more uncomfortably your fellow libs get being exposed as hypocrites since they don't have permission to express outrage at one of their own. At least have consideration for them.

#80 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:44 PM | Reply

"i'm only commenting on YOUR hijacking of every god damn thread you're in lately.

#79 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

Except I don't, liar. I'm in this thread and speaksoftly is clearly the one who hijacked it.

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:45 PM | Reply

Is it really necessary to feud with a dozen people?

#79 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

I finally plonked that waste of space.

Let me guess, he's been throwing feces at everybody and is now playing victim when people treat his as he deserves?

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-03 10:49 PM | Reply

"Is it really necessary to feud with a dozen people?

#79 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

I don't engage anyone unless they come at me first just as you did tonight. And last night. And the night before.

Think I'm wrong? Steer me to a thread where I went after you first.

Exactly. You can't. Yet you whine and cry about me feuding? Physician, heal thyself.

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:51 PM | Reply

"Let me guess, he's been throwing feces at everybody and is now playing victim when people treat his as he deserves?

#82 | POSTED BY JPW"

Wrong again. I never play the victim. I simply tell it like it is as I just told Alexanrite. And people don't like what they hear, so like you, they whine.

BTW, thank you for plonking me.

#84 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:52 PM | Reply

keep furiously ----------- like a meth addict, gopman. see if you can triple instead of double my posts.

#85 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"keep furiously ----------- like a meth addict, gopman. see if you can triple instead of double my posts.

#85 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

This thread isn't about me. Quit hijacking it, hypcrite.

#86 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 10:56 PM | Reply

Let me guess, he's been throwing feces at everybody and is now playing victim when people treat his as he deserves?
#82 | POSTED BY JPW

Nailed it.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-03 10:59 PM | Reply

I have a full appreciation for how bad he is now that he's plonked.

I click on the comments thread seeing X comments only to find the post count nowhere close to that with goatshart's removed.

And a large portion of what's left are clearly responses to his tossed turds.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-03 11:13 PM | Reply

Oh, look. JPW hijacking the thread to talk about me. LOL

#89 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:14 PM | Reply

Who do liberals have no problem at all with other liberals hiacking a thread, but if it is perceived that I did it, they all wet their little panties and explode in a round of faux outrage?

Why do they so identify with "Do as we say, not as we do?"

The DR is rife with it. This thread alone has at least 4 different people accusing me of hijacking it -- one of whom was the person who actually did hijack it originally! LOL Then there is alexandriet who night after night comes after me, but then accuses me of feuding because I respond to him.

What is it with these people?

#90 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:22 PM | Reply

keep posting.

dance.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 11:25 PM | Reply

"keep posting.
dance.

#91 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

Looks like I hit a nerve.

Quit hijacking the thead and feuding with people, hypocrite.

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:27 PM | Reply

more

#93 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 11:27 PM | Reply

Alexandritee, I was looking at your user page and a large fraction of your posts are about me.

Obsess much?

Suggestion: Try thinking about baseball or Jessica Biel or tacos instead of me. Just a friendly suggestion to help yu overcome your obsession with me. Also, you won't be perceived as a raging hypocrite.

Or continue your obsession. See you tomorrow night to once again throw the first punch, then listen to you whine when I respond just as it always is since I never throw the first punch at you.

Pathetic.

#94 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:32 PM | Reply

It's amazing one man can produce so much schitt.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-03 11:32 PM | Reply

youre a whiner, goat.

#96 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 11:34 PM | Reply

"youre a whiner, goat.

#96 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

This thread isn't about me. Stop hijacking it,stalker.

But if it makes you go away (and hopefully get a life other than stalking me) I'll agree to everything you say.

Yes, I'm a whiner.

Now please go away, stalker.

#97 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:36 PM | Reply

make me

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-09-03 11:39 PM | Reply

"make me

#98 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE"

I haven't heard that taunt since sixth grade. LOL

Looks like I was proven correct again in post 74.

Some posters are just foregone conclusions.

#99 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:42 PM | Reply

yap yap yap yap yap....rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...yap yap yap yap yap!

-goatshart

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-03 11:44 PM | Reply

#95

There are many who could claim that title, including you.

I guess you'll plonk me now. That's what far left wing cowards do. IDGAFF

#101 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-03 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"-goatshart

#100 | POSTED BY JPW "

Profound. For you, anyway.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:46 PM | Reply

"I guess you'll plonk me now. That's what far left wing cowards do. IDGAFF

#101 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY "

He qill. JPW is just another thin skinned snowflake who needs his safe space and echo chamber.

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:47 PM | Reply

make me

#98 | Posted by Alexandrite

You're a troll, nothing more. Guess I'm going to have to plonk you. I'm tired of scrolling past rubbish from posters who want to settle scores from years ago.

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-03 11:49 PM | Reply

There are many who could claim that title, including you.

I guess you'll plonk me now. That's what far left wing cowards do. IDGAFF

#101 | Posted by willowby

Ohhhh internet tough guy.

Comes flying in all piss and vinegar to his butt buddy's rescue but doesn't GAFF.

LOL

#105 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-03 11:49 PM | Reply

You're a troll, nothing more. Guess I'm going to have to plonk you.
#104 | Posted by nullifidian

So you're plonking goatshart too?

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-03 11:50 PM | Reply

"#95
There are many who could claim that title, including you.
I guess you'll plonk me now. That's what far left wing cowards do. IDGAFF

#101 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY "

No, JPW can't claim that title, actually, now that I think about it. He clearly said, "man". He may have a Y chromosone, doesn't have a pair of stones, (as evidenced by his having to seek refuge in the safe place of plonking) so I think that disqualifies him.

#107 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:52 PM | Reply

"So you're plonking goatshart too?

#106 | POSTED BY JPW "

You can plonk me, but you can never get me out from under your skin. You'll continue talking about me for weeks, probably months.

#108 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-03 11:53 PM | Reply

"You can plonk me, but you can never get me out from under your skin. You'll continue talking about me for weeks, probably months."

You're herpes.

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 12:32 AM | Reply

Speakstupid, along with a host of other morons, attempt to attach me to the GOP all the time.

#33 | Posted by eberly

Your own posts attach you to the GOnP you freakin' (R)tard.
You're just too stupid too realize it.

#110 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-04 01:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#104

I thought you had some backbone. If you're plonking people, you're no better than the leftist cowards.

#111 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-04 01:06 AM | Reply

Your own posts attach you to the GOnP you freakin' (R)tard.
You're just too stupid too realize it.

#110 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

He voted for Obama you stupid abortion.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-04 01:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--If you're plonking people, you're no better than the leftist cowards.

Without killfiles, the retort is unreadable, thanks to the worthless leftist trolls that dominate this site. I have better things to do than wade through piles of rubbish.

#113 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 01:14 AM | Reply

#112 Forgive monson. He's still trying to figure out who is on the Supreme court. I'm surprised he's still here after posting the dumbest thing in the history of the DR when Stevens died.

#114 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-04 01:18 AM | Reply

"#112 Forgive monson. He's still trying to figure out who is on the Supreme court. I'm surprised he's still here after posting the dumbest thing in the history of the DR when Stevens died.

#114 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY "

Hell, he's still trying to figure out how many people are on the Supreme Court. He heard them called "jurists" and vaguely remembers hearing there are 12 people on a jury, so he probably thinks there are 12 members of the USSC.

If it is something beyond name calling, he is completely lost in a fog. His user page prove it.

www.drudge.com

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 01:23 AM | Reply

#113

I have no problem reading it without resorting to snowflakeism.

#116 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-04 01:27 AM | Reply

"I have no problem reading it without resorting to snowflakeism."

Congratulations, you're less deplorable than Nullifidian!
Not that that's saying a whole lot...

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 01:28 AM | Reply

Sorry, that's just my own philosophy.

I believe rcade instituted plonking to create a "safe space" for his radical left base.

#118 | Posted by willowby at 2019-09-04 01:30 AM | Reply

Actually, I am amused by the liberal snowflakes. That is why I dont' plonk them. I like the laughs they bring.

And those it's not PC, I derive a secret pleasure proving them wrong all the time. They are so easy. They love to say, "Goatman, you hijacked this thread." But then I prove it is one of their own who hijacked it.

I know. I should know better and leave low hanging fruit alone So sue me. I pick it any way. LOL

#119 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 01:31 AM | Reply

The trick is to literally ignore the Thread Killer.

#120 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-09-04 05:04 AM | Reply

"The trick is to literally ignore the Thread Killer.

#120 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST "

Thread killer*s*

The first was speaksoftly who derailed it twice prior to post 27. Then clownshack went nuts off topic and started talking about me accusing me of derailing it after speaksoftly already had. Then Alexandrite had his nightly at me, once again throwing the first punch. Then of course aborted monsoon had his usually drive by insults against jeff and eberly with nothing at all on topic. And what night wouldn't be complete without JPW -- again, throwing the first punch at me. and taking a couple of other shots at even though he said he had plonked me.

BUt your advice is to ignore these thread killers? Good advice. I"ll try to give it a try.

GDS -- sure ----- up a person's sense of reality.

#121 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 05:45 AM | Reply

Imagine typing this much. All night. About nothing.

Seek help.

#122 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-04 07:21 AM | Reply

"Imagine typing this much. All night. About nothing.
Seek help.

#122 | POSTED BY JOE "

Imagine pretending I'm the one who hijacked the thread when it was clearly speak easy and others. Imagine ignoring the several other people who took first shots at me and hijacked the thread, and not acknowledging it.

Seek help

#123 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 07:40 AM | Reply

Type more

#124 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-04 07:48 AM | Reply

"Kinda like Danforth .... and his "observations"?"

Well, since I have zero plonks as of this writing, clearly not.

But thanks for the rent-free space in your head.

#125 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-04 08:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I thought you had some backbone. If you're plonking people, you're no better than the leftist cowards.

#111 | POSTED BY WILLOWBY

I've plonked two people.

Tremain and goat.

Because they're both prolific spammers who say little to nothing useful.

As an exercise to illustrate how bad it is, plonk goatman and go into a thread. The comment count will be far higher than what you see and you'll see threads derailed rapidly, first by people arguing with a false point which rapidly devolves into last word --- for tat.

Rcade probably loves it because it boosts post counts but it's just garbage.

#126 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-04 09:14 AM | Reply

it's just garbage.

#126 | POSTED BY JPW

I disagree. Goat does an excellent job of deconstructing arguments via the use of logic.

It's the primary reason why so many lefties on this site are triggered by him.

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-04 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Goat does an excellent job of deconstructing arguments via the use of logic.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

More often than not, he spews out misinformation. When called out on it he either obfuscates, proclaims that he hasn't been proven wrong in the face of 100% ironclad proof to the contrary, or calls the respondent a "stalker." He then leaves to go ---- up another thread.

It's a marvel that you're fooled by his act. Your brain must not be it used to be.

#128 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-04 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

See, I'm doing it right now.

#129 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-09-04 10:58 AM | Reply

Goat does an excellent job of deconstructing arguments via the use of logic.
#127 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Basically, Jeff doesn't read anything goatman posts.

Which, is the only way he's able to reach such a conclusion.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-04 11:00 AM | Reply

First off, there a difference between an annual deficit and the national debt. And while it's true that the national debt went up while Obama was in office, he did reduce the annual deficit. The national debt has continues to increase under Donald Trump, but at a much faster rate due to the tremendous increase in the annual deficit.

BTW, the last time the annual deficit was zero, was during the term of Bill Clinton, a Democrat. At that particular instant, the national debt was NOT increasing. Of course, George W. Bush took care of that 'problem' as soon as he took office by doing exactly what Trump has done, cut taxes on the rich, which lead eventually to the recession that Obama inherited.

Since Ronald Reagan, every Republican president has cut taxes on the rich, and in Reagan's case he turned around and raised taxes on the middle-class, and then it fell on Democratic presidents to reign in spending and/or increase revenue (raise taxes) to try and get the annual deficit under control.

And anyone who claims that they can slash the national debt is just conning you. It ain't going to happen.

OCU

#131 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-04 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Goat does an excellent job of deconstructing arguments via the use of logic."

You are confusing logic with confabulation.

#132 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-04 11:57 AM | Reply

When Goat isn't deconstructing arguments he plays puppeteer and triggered lefties dance. Every time. It really is funny to watch.

#133 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-04 11:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Jeff

What a load of crap.

I'm not even going to dignify such blatant nonsense with a serious discussion of it.

#134 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-04 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

First off, there a difference between an annual deficit and the national debt. And while it's true that the national debt went up while Obama was in office, he did reduce the annual deficit. The national debt has continues to increase under Donald Trump, but at a much faster rate due to the tremendous increase in the annual deficit.

Its irrelevant, he stuck future presidents with full implementations of ObamaCare and its fiscal ramifications.

BTW, the last time the annual deficit was zero, was during the term of Bill Clinton, a Democrat.

At no time was Clinton deficit zero, in 2000 it was $17Billion, but before and after were greater than $100Billion.

FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

As I have stated before, who cares? I knew it was myth under Bush. Democrats won't change nor will the Republicans.

Don't dare raise my taxes though, its waste of time, has been since the 70's.

Enjoy the destruction, enjoy it while you can, because the end of the tracks are coming.

#135 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-04 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At no time was Clinton deficit zero, in 2000 it was $17Billion, but before and after were greater than $100Billion.

#135 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Again you're confusing the national DEBT with the annual DEFICIT.

Clinton had a budget SURPLUS, per the item below, for four fiscal years, 1998 thru 2001. During those years, the national DEBT was reduced.

www.thebalance.com

OCU

#136 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-09-04 01:15 PM | Reply

At no time was Clinton deficit zero, in 2000 it was $17Billion, but before and after were greater than $100Billion.

#135 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

And you would be wrong.

Sources are below.

Why you are wrong? I found your "sources." They are going after the difference in the Federal Debt rather than the income versus outlays that year.

Unfortunately an increase in the National Debt doesn't mean the Government didn't run a surplus. It just means they didn't pay down the debt with the surplus.

Basic Explanation:
A family owes $10,000 in credit card debt with 5% interest and has a surplus in their budget for the year of $1,000 after income from employment minus daily expenses. Instead of paying down the credit card debt, they put the money in savings. The credit card debt increases to $10,500. Under the Cash Method of Accounting, the Family saw a Surplus of $1,000 (debt only counts when paid). Under the Accrual Method of Accounting, the Family saw Surplus of $500 (surplus minus debt increase even if not paid immediately). Note that despite the Surplus, the Credit Card Debt still grew.

Even your own sources admit this is a problem when they respond to objections.

Why the National Debt Increased Still
The Federal Debt did increase that amount in 1999 on paper but not in reality. The Public Debt was actually paid down in 1997-2000. The actual increase came from the Social Security Administration buying US Securities (something its required to do with any surpluses). Basically Social Security loans money to the Feds whether the Feds need it or not by buying securities. The security counts as a debt as far as the national debt goes.

Basic Explanation
Again think of a Family. The bank gives the family a $1,000 loan at 2% called a security. The family can't say no. And the family can't repay the loan until the Bank decides to cash it in. So even if the family has a yearly surplus of $100,000, their debt will go up $1,000 from the Bank's loan and there is nothing they can do about it.

And that's why measuring surplus or deficit by the National Federal Debt is for people without a background in accounting.

Without even including Social Security, Clinton saw a surplus of $1.9 billion in 1999 and $86.4 billion in 2000 under the Cash Method employed by the CBO. Again, without even including Social Security, Clinton saw surpluses of $69.2 billion in fiscal 1998, $76.9 billion in fiscal 1999, and $46 billion for fiscal year 2000 under the Accrual Method.

But hey, why trust me? Trust what the CBO says. www.cbo.gov
Also, www.factcheck.org

Quick Summary
Mackris is once again wrong. She misunderstands the difference in the National Debt and the National Deficit and how Social Security buying Securities with surpluses increases the National Debt regardless of Federal Government non-Social Security Surpluses.

#137 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-04 01:44 PM | Reply

"Don't dare raise my taxes though, its waste of time, has been since the 70's."

How else do you propose paying for our waste of time wars in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
???

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 01:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

your butt-buddy Speaksoftly
goatman

how childish to name call.

#139 | Posted by cjk85 at 2019-09-04 02:53 PM | Reply

I think we should all agree both Parties are Guilty as hell. But let's elect Warren or Sanders and watch the hand wringing. Unbelievable some people defend more while complaining at the moment.

#140 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-09-04 03:02 PM | Reply

"But they're both guilty as hell!" -

LMAO!

#141 | Posted by YAV at 2019-09-04 07:01 PM | Reply

When Goat isn't deconstructing arguments he plays puppeteer and triggered lefties dance. Every time. It really is funny to watch.

#133 | POSTED BYJEFFJ

Any right-wing hack can make hacktastic posts.

#142 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-04 08:50 PM | Reply

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