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Sunday, September 01, 2019

After the El Paso shooting, Ben Shapiro, a popular conservative podcaster, asked Americans to draw a line between the few conservatives who are white supremacists and those who, like him, aren't.

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I love how "Reason" and "Civility" are also now racist.

God that was awesome.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-30 12:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I love how "Reason" and "Civility" are also now racist.

God that was awesome.

#1 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

I know, right?

One of the best tweets I saw in response to this was (paraphrased): "Hitler breathed air. Therefore anybody who breathes air is a Nazi."

This is what passes for left-wing thought these days.

When I first saw this I just assumed The Onion. But then, as it turns out, it was Washington Post.

Unreal.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-30 01:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

One of the best tweets I saw in response to this was (paraphrased): "Hitler breathed air. Therefore anybody who breathes air is a Nazi."

Trumpublicans love trivializing Hitler's actions.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-30 02:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Almost all Americans are "on the same side,"

Same side of what?

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-30 02:17 AM | Reply

Too many on the political left [are] castigating the character of those who disagree," lumping conservatives and political nonconformists together with racists and xenophobes.

Actions speak louder than words. When conservatives show themselves not to be racists and xenophobes. We will treat them as such.

Meanwhile keep screeching about building walls, open borders, scary Muslims, brown people taking all the jobs, etc etc etc...

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-30 02:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Little Benny Shapiro is an (R)tarded -------- that is such a moron he doesn't know what the definition of fascism is.

He reminds me of a really dumb version of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory with all of Sheldon's idiosyncrasies.

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-08-30 03:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Actions speak louder than words. When conservatives show themselves not to be racists and xenophobes. We will treat them as such.

#5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

The "holier than thou" and self righteous attitude of the left is one of the biggest divisive elements in the US today. It's appalling.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-30 03:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The "holier than thou" and self righteous attitude of the left

You know what pisses of the right the most? They use to be the "holier than thou, self righteous, right".

Now they're the "extremist right wing, evangelical, xenophobic, domestic terrorist group".

If you're not part of the Republican Party for the tax breaks and corporate deregulations, then you've either found a party that supports your hate, or you're being fooled.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-30 04:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

This is one of the best posts I've seen on the DR in a long time. Good job, HeRat.

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-30 04:12 AM | Reply

:Little Benny Shapiro is an (R)tarded -------- that is such a moron he doesn't know what the definition of fascism is.
He reminds me of a really dumb version of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory with all of Sheldon's idiosyncrasies.

#6 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON "

Why don't you say something about the topic for a change rather than swing set insults? You always sound like a petulant little brat on the bround having a temper tantrum.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-30 04:19 AM | Reply

Definition of a racist:

Someone who wins an argument against a Democrat

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-30 05:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

To right wingers, stop voting for and supporting racists & xenophobes, and the left won't call you a racist or a xenophobe. A huge majority of racist legislators are conservative, that's why progressives/liberals see you as racist, or at the very least we see you as supporting them.

#12 | Posted by schmanch at 2019-08-30 07:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

:To right wingers, stop voting for and supporting racists & xenophobes, and the left won't call you a racist or a xenophobe. A huge majority of racist legislators are conservative, that's why progressives/liberals see you as racist, or at the very least we see you as supporting them.

#12 | POSTED BY SCHMANCH "

I find it interesting that you call out right wing racists only. Can I rad this to mean you don't have a problems with left wing racists? If not, why did you not mention them?

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-30 07:20 AM | Reply

Actions speak louder than words. When conservatives show themselves not to be racists and xenophobes. We will treat them as such. - #5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK
Democrats started Nazi-style concentration camps at the southern border where children were sexually abused.
Republicans allowed the continued existence of those Nazi-style concentrations camps (although they cut down on the amount of child sexual abuse).
Democrats and Republicans agreed to fund the continued existence of those Nazi-style concentration camps.
Please tell me you have some reason why Democrats and Republicans are NOT racist nazis.
I seem to have missed you treating the Democrats and Nazis as such, as you claimed above. Are you just a partisan hypocrite or did I miss your righteous fury at Democrats and Republicans?

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 07:40 AM | Reply

#12 | Posted by schmanch at 2019-08-30 07:11 AM
I'll direct #14 to you as well, schmanch.

#15 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 07:41 AM | Reply

"Definition of a racist:"

Someone who drives a faster car.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-08-30 08:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just in case anyone would actually read the citations for #14.
Democrats started kids in cages:
www.snopes.com
Republicans reduced child abuse from Democrat levels: www.documentcloud.org
D&R fund concentration camps: www.nytimes.com

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 08:18 AM | Reply

--facts,' 'truth,' 'science' and 'nature' now racist

This is the leftist post-modernist cancer that is turning "higher education" into a farce.

Pomona College Students Say There's No Such Thing as Truth, 'Truth' Is a Tool of White Supremacy
reason.com

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 09:18 AM | Reply

"Too many on the political left [are] castigating the character of those who disagree," lumping conservatives and political nonconformists together with racists and xenophobes."

and white supremacists. yes...it's gotten that absurd.

And along comes clownshart to prove my point

"When conservatives show themselves not to be racists and xenophobes. We will treat them as such."

LOL....I honestly doubt Clown can determine when someone is a racist or xenophobe. I don't know if he even knows what that means.

He just loves to sling his poo at others because that's all racebaiting is.

no critical thought...no discrimination....just cave and accuse anybody disagreeing with him of being a racist.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2019-08-30 09:33 AM | Reply

One of the funnier aspects of Clownshack's missive is common to a lot of lefties. That is the accusation of xenophobia. Maybe it's because it's a new word they just learned and think it's cool, IDK.

But I haven't met a single conservative who is a xenophobic. I'm not saying they aren't out there, but I think I can say with certainty they are rare. Clownshack and his ilk confulse wanting to enforce imimigragtion laws with xenophobia. I for one have no issue whatsoever with people entering the country legally. I am vehemently against people entering it ilegalliy. However, that does not make a xenophobe.

#20 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-30 09:38 AM | Reply

He uses "xenophobia" almost as much as ScreechHysterically uses "cult" and "fox news."

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"he doesn't know what the definition of fascism is"

Yeah! Damned Jews....

You care to enlighten us all with YOUR definition of fascism, Monson? I'm sure you have some selectively revisionist version you ascribe to, and we'd all love to hear it.

#22 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-30 10:23 AM | Reply

22 posts so far. 17 are a r-wing-----------.

No, I'm not here to comment on the content of the thread - just to observe the self abuse.

#23 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-08-30 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, I'm not here to comment on the content of the thread

..and yet you just did....

#24 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-30 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#24 - fair enough.

*revision: "...not here to comment on the content of the article..."

#25 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-08-30 10:56 AM | Reply

--I love how "Reason" and "Civility" are also now racist.

"Prof claims 'civility' is a euphemism for 'white supremacy'

www.campusreform.org

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 11:03 AM | Reply

One of the best tweets I saw in response to this was (paraphrased): "Hitler breathed air. Therefore anybody who breathes air is a Nazi."

This is what passes for left-wing thought these days.

No, that's what passes for right wing strawmen these days.

If you have to simplify to the point of absurdity, well you know the rest...

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-30 11:05 AM | Reply

Profs say classroom 'civility' promotes 'white racial power'
www.campusreform.org

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 11:06 AM | Reply

#25 Fair 'nuff. Just busting your balls.

#29 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-30 11:08 AM | Reply

Liberals think conservatives are bad people attached to ideas, while conservatives think liberals are just bad ideas attached to people.

Logically why wouldn't this Liberal way of thinking eat its own over time. Collapsing in on itself in a whirlwind of chaos, which is clearly happening in the Democratic 2020 campaign.

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-30 11:10 AM | Reply

#27 | POSTED BY JPW

Right on cue, MrCallEveryoneAPOS ....

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-30 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Professors: Civility upholds white supremacist heteropatriarchal capitalist power'

www.thecollegefix.com

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 11:11 AM | Reply

#32 From the article:

Rudrick told Campus Reform by email that he wrote the article in the spirit of his "continued service to Cthulu," but did not respond to follow up inquiries. Golsan did not respond at all.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 11:16 AM | Reply

Hilarious. Clown and Monson demonstrate the validity of the article just by appearing.

Neither read it. just saw racist in the headline and exploded. JPW piles on for no other reason than to reflexively lash out.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-30 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

----I love how "Reason" and "Civility" are also now racist.

Cornell summer seminar asks: Should we still use concepts like rationality' and reason'?

www.thecollegefix.com

Decolonize epistemology!

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All that's missing is Snoofy asking accusatory rhetorical questions.

#36 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-30 11:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Profs say classroom 'civility' promotes 'white racial power'"

Here's the paper in case anyone is interested in reading it:

www.academia.edu

I just scanned the beginning and ending of the paper, and from what I can tell what the authors are addressing is a type of civility which is used to mask or silence underlying racial issues:

"In this report, we explore how whiteness informs White students' understanding of civility through an examination of their talk about civility, students of color, and race in higher education. Using taxonomic coding (Manning & Kunkel, 2014), we describe the rhetorical shifts that characterize a particular form of hegemonic civility: whiteness-informed civility (WIC) (Cabrera, 2014; Nakayama & Krizek, 1995; Patton, 2004). We explore how this form of hegemonic civility functions to (re)produce White racial power by privileging race-evasiveness, 1 avoiding discussions about race, and excluding of people of color from public spaces. We argue that WIC perpetuates an oppressive culture in higher education and oer [sic] ways for instructors to interrogate whiteness-informed civility through classroom instruction using critical communication pedagogy (CCP; Fassett & Warren, 2007)."

I'm seeing this as a "If we don't talk about it, it won't exist" mentality, which is a form of denial that then in turn, according to the authors, becomes a kind of racism in itself. I'm not reading this as damning civility across the board as some are implying.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 11:43 AM | Reply

Their conclusion is interesting:

"Finally, we note that the political landscape that characterized racism over the past 30 years (i.e., genteel, liberal, race-evasive, or polite racism; (Bonilla-Silva, 2006), may not apply as neatly in the post-Trump United States. The resurgence of global White nationalism may very well bring back a level of explicit racism not seen in mainstream U.S. politics in decades. Thus, scholars may wish to examine how modern, mainstream forms of racism and whiteness manifest in ways that are (dis)articulated with the currently dominant forms of race-talk."

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 11:46 AM | Reply

"at the University of Cape Town in South Africa, students known as "Fallists" " short for "Science Must Fall" " said that if decolonization is to be complete, even science, a product of racism, must be "scratched off."

Yes, there is a War on Science...being waged by the Left.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 11:47 AM | Reply

#39 A student group at the University of Cape Town is now emblematic of the Left, with a capital L? Sounds to me like rationality and reason have already been eschewed by some of the American rightwing.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 11:56 AM | Reply

#40 - American rightwing

Inflammatory.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-30 12:03 PM | Reply

#41 Here, take some Advil for your faux inflammation problems.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 12:04 PM | Reply

University students say science should be scratched' " because colonization and racism'

www.thecollegefix.com

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 12:06 PM | Reply

#43 Yeah, I already read that article because your previous article/link to The College Fix contained a link to it.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 12:10 PM | Reply

#39 ...and the author of this article is...

Eve Fairbanks, a writer living in Johannesburg

#45 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-30 12:15 PM | Reply

A student group at the University of Cape Town is now emblematic of the Left, with a capital L?

I find this argument interesting, because one must believe these people are in a vacuum, that their ideas about "science" being racist was home grown, and not injected into their education, or field of view by leftist propaganda coming from the US. (See "dude wall") ....

As most things Nulli posted, and this thread are about, is trends, so I would say YES, yes, they are emblematic of the Left, and Democrats at large.

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-30 12:16 PM | Reply

--Yeah, I already read that article because your previous article/link to The College Fix contained a link to it.

What's your point? I didn't post it for your exclusive benefit.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 12:23 PM | Reply

LMAO!

The new great fear of the brainless right. You folks couldn't survive without someone to fear, something to hate.

#48 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-30 12:24 PM | Reply

Feminist Science' event teaches researchers how to do socially just science'

The event, what organizers dubbed "Feminist Science," describes the effort as a method that infuses social justice, inclusion and equality into science to advance progressive social change.

www.thecollegefix.com

The Chinese have to be laughing at us for crippling science education with horseshht like this. They will eat our lunch.

#49 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 12:27 PM | Reply

Add Yav to the list who didn't read the article.

#50 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-08-30 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#50 - I didn't read the article. I read all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from right-wingers and laughed my ass off! It's clear as can be you guys can't function without a threat. Now I just feel pity for you.

Oh, and I won't read the article, either. I don't care! I only looked in because I had a break.

Now please, go on with your mutual master-debating. :)

#51 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-30 12:31 PM | Reply

Add Yav to the list who didn't read the article.
#50 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

He's the sharpest tool they have..

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-30 12:34 PM | Reply

"Hitler breathed air. Therefore anybody who breathes air is a Nazi."

#2 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

An Estimate of the Number of Shakespeare's Atoms
in a Living Human Being

..."What's bad, however, is that we all have some Hitler in us too"

#53 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-08-30 12:40 PM | Reply

Right on cue, MrCallEveryoneAPOS ....

#31 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Not everyone.

Just you and the other intellectually vacuous, dishonest POSes.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2019-08-30 12:46 PM | Reply

He's the sharpest tool they have..

Why thank you! Not true, there are many very bright minds. MadScientist, BruceBanner, JPW, Gal, Corky... hmm. Clearly I'm not even in the top 10!

The trouble these days is that the current occupant of the WH and the sycophants that support him aren't worth having any discussion or debate. The ones that are still intelligent and have a sense of morality are cowards or have left the GOP.

I used to debate, argue points, etc. The election of Trump proved that that's pointless. The decent into an kakistocracy happened faster than I thought possible. Then again, Idocracy (the Movie) never did say when in that 500 year period humans became so frikken stupid. So prescient.

#55 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-30 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, that's what passes for right wing strawmen these days.
If you have to simplify to the point of absurdity, well you know the rest...

#27 | POSTED BY JPW

Did you read the article?

The tweet I reposted was apt. The argument being made by this woman really is that absurd.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-08-30 01:15 PM | Reply

I honestly doubt Clown can determine when someone is a racist or xenophobe. I don't know if he even knows what that means.
He just loves to sling his poo at others because that's all racebaiting is.
no critical thought...no discrimination....just cave and accuse anybody disagreeing with him of being a racist.
#19 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Once again, Eberly comes along and makes the topic of the thread about me.

It must have really chapped your hide when I called your tea party brethren out, despite your insistence otherwise, for being racists. Then to have their racist emails exposed the very next day.

Ever since then you've followed me around crying.

Let's see, who do I call racists and xenophobes? Nulli, Andrea, Sherp... posters who advocate for a wall, demonize minorities as criminals and sex traffickers. Concern troll about immigrants taking jobs from US citizens. Remind us constantly about black on black crime, and don't see injustice in our criminal justice system.

There are also those who demonize people of different religions and sexual orientations/identities.

These people are all part of the Republican Party. Because the Republicans have given them a home and safety net.

So again, I repeat myself. If conservatives don't want to be treated as racists and xenophobes. They should be part of a party which supports racists and xenophobes.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-30 01:25 PM | Reply

"Clownshack and his ilk confulse wanting to enforce imimigragtion laws with xenophobia."

But I never read posts by conservatives complaining that the employers a allowed hire illegal aliens with impunity. It is the law that the should be arrested. If you were really just interested in enforcing the law the fact that they don't get arrested should matter to you. Precisely the type of thinking that Ms. Fairbanks is talking about.

#58 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-30 01:26 PM | Reply

--But I never read posts by conservatives complaining that the employers a allowed hire illegal aliens with impunity.

What?

#59 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 01:31 PM | Reply

But I never read posts by conservatives complaining that the employers a allowed hire illegal aliens with impunity. It is the law that the should be arrested. If you were really just interested in enforcing the law the fact that they don't get arrested should matter to you. Precisely the type of thinking that Ms. Fairbanks is talking about.
#58 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-30 01:26 PM

I, as a conservative, don't believe that employers should be allowed to hire unlawful immigrants. Unfortunately, corporations aren't authorized or capable of enforcing any laws, that is the business of the government. Corporations must follow the laws and request documentation be provided that a worker is legally allowed to work. The corporation is not responsible for or capable of verifying that the documentation provided is real or not...again, the business of government. If the employer has been found to knowingly hire an unlawful immigrant, then they should be held to whatever the appropriate legal penalty is for that infraction and the unlawful immigrant should be deported.

In order to prevent this situation going forward, I strongly believe that all potential and current employees should undergo mandatory e-verify and present a corresponding federal ID card with photograph. That ID should also be an acceptable form of identification at the polls. The e-verify system should be opened for public use so that even the smallest employer is capable of, and responsible for, determining the legality of any employee.

#60 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 02:05 PM | Reply

"As most things Nulli posted, and this thread are about, is trends, so I would say YES, yes, they are emblematic of the Left, and Democrats at large.
#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-08-3

Sorry, but 1 letter written by 3 students and signed by 20 does not a trend make:

This is the leftist post-modernist cancer that is turning "higher education" into a farce.

Pomona College Students Say There's No Such Thing as Truth, 'Truth' Is a Tool of White Supremacy
reason.com"

BTW, does anyone have a link to the actual letter? The one in the article doesn't seem to work.

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

University of Louisville job ad for science professor: Whites, Asians need not apply

www.thecollegefix.com

Yeah, let's hire science teachers based on identity, rather than merit. That will end well.

#62 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 02:23 PM | Reply

"If the employer has been found to knowingly hire an unlawful immigrant, then they should be held to whatever the appropriate legal penalty is for that infraction and the unlawful immigrant should be deported."

"Although undocumented immigrants often face deportation in the aftermath of raids like these, the consequences faced by the employers who hire them are usually "really minimal," Victor Narro, a project director with the UCLA Labor Center, tells TIME.

Just 11 employers were prosecuted for hiring undocumented immigrants between April 2018 and March 2019, and only three were sentenced to serve any prison time, according to an analysis by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University. More than 120,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry or reentry during that same time period."

time.com

#63 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-30 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I remember when employers were arrested, one of my former bosses was arrested for exactly that but it all changed with Ronald Reagan, very little enforcement against employers has been done since then. So, why wouldn't an employer hire the cheapest labor available?

#64 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-30 03:08 PM | Reply

University Says Science is Sexist, Launches Feminist Biology Doctorate Program
www.thecollegefix.com

Because everyone knows there's a shortage of "feminist biologists."

#65 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 03:12 PM | Reply

"University Says Science is Sexist, Launches Feminist Biology Doctorate Program"

What's wrong with that?:

The program's first post-doctoral fellow, Caroline VanSickle, begins her fellowship in September, when the program opens. VanSickle intends to continue her research on female human anatomy by exploring evolution in pelvis shapes and childbirth anatomy, according to the campus website.

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 03:27 PM | Reply

Because everyone knows there's a shortage of "feminist biologists."

Again, what's wrong with this?:

The two-year program will focus on conducting scientific research from a feminist viewpoint, Janet Hyde, the director of the Campus Center for Research on Gender and Women, said in an interview with Campus Reform on Thursday.

"It means being able to detect gender bias in previous research and ... figuring out ways to move forward in research and theory that removes the gender bias," she said.

For example, Hyde said, scientists had once had an inaccurate understanding of the sexual behaviors of primates " and that was clearly due to their sexism.

"Females of these species were portrayed as being passive or uninterested in sex, and that was reflective of gender stereotypes in humans," she said. "The females solicited sex all the time."

The first post-doctoral fellow, Caroline VanSickle, will begin the program in September.

"We aren't doing science well if we ignore the ideas and research of people who aren't male, white, straight, or rich," VanSickle said in an email to Campus Reform. "Feminist science seeks to improve our understanding of the world by including people with different viewpoints. A more inclusive science means an opportunity to make new discoveries."


www.campusreform.org

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-08-30 03:31 PM | Reply

#63 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-30 03:06 PM
All you've shown is that the employers did not knowingly hire unlawful immigrants...or at least there was insufficient evidence to prove it. You do understand that the employer is not responsible for determining if the employee is committing identity theft, right?

#68 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-08-30 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Math prof who argues against truths and knowledge' to host Carleton College convocation

The relationship between humans, mathematics, and the planet has been one steeped too long in domination and destruction [ ... ] Drawing upon Indigenous worldviews to reconceptualize what mathematics is and how it is practiced, I argue for a movement against objects, truths, and knowledge towards a way of being in the world that is guided by

www.thecollegefix.com

Indigenous knowledge? What's that? How to brew ayahuasca, admittedly a good thing, but what does it have to do with mathematics?

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-08-30 03:49 PM | Reply

If all you know is the Civil War, then everything is about the Civil War. People have been talking like this since at least before the Revolution. Read "Common Sense" by Thomas Pain, here: www.ushistory.org

It seems people talk like this all the time throughout our history. And the woke hate it because all they can do is screech and censor, so it's "racist". :)

#70 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-30 05:25 PM | Reply

#57 | Posted by ClownShack

80% of Blacks are opposed to illegal immigration, braniac. Are they racist xenophobes? Most Americans, including many democrats and Hispanics are too. I voted democrat all my long life and I've always been opposed. Then the party became woke and Hillary did what she did - and they covered for her, so I never will again unless they ditch the woke and big money and start standing up for workers again.

#71 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-30 05:40 PM | Reply

The descent into an kakistocracy... of course...

#72 | Posted by YAV at 2019-08-30 11:10 PM | Reply

lil' Ben is an Ashkenazi supremacist who's deeply engaged in playing the "fellow white people" shape-shifting game.

#73 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-01 01:08 AM | Reply

You care to enlighten us all with YOUR definition of fascism, Monson? I'm sure you have some selectively revisionist version you ascribe to, and we'd all love to hear it.

#22 | POSTED BY Comrade Pinto

From wiki:
Fascism (/f ... z'm/) is a form of FAR RIGHT WING, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

New Oxford dictionary had pretty much the same definition.

You can thank me for educating you on the subject.

#74 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-01 04:17 PM | Reply

Whine away. The fact remains, a tremendous numbers of Trump supporters are both racist and misogynist, and the ONLY reason they vote for him is the (R) after his name. It is as if all you Trumplicans KNOW what a piece of ---- he is, and it just doesn't matter to you. Of course the rest of us hold all of you in contempt. You are sickening human beings.

#75 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-01 04:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#75, have you ever considered changing your username? There hasn't been anything moderate about you in years.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

With a whites supremacist misogynist in the White House, it is typical for Trump supporters to feel that being racist may be a 'reasonable' or 'moderate' position. But that is a lie. And those of us who truly are moderates need to make that loud and clear.

#77 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-01 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#75 | POSTED BY MODER8

Are you libs competing to see who is the most disgusted with Trump and his despicables.

#78 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 04:41 PM | Reply

#78 | POSTED BY RAY

Actually, we moderates are working hard to make sure the word 'moderate' does not get perverted to indicate any type of support for the immoral monstrosity in the White House.

#79 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-01 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#78 |

It's the outrage olympics. The more bluster the higher the score.

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 04:45 PM | Reply

Actually, we moderates are working hard to make sure the word 'moderate' does not get perverted to indicate any type of support for the immoral monstrosity in the White House.
#79 | POSTED BY MODER8

In the early 19th century, the left turned Progressive into an epithet.
Then you relabeled yourselves "liberal."
Then back to Progressive.
Now it's moderate?

The labels change, but the type of personality type doesn't. You people are overbearing.

You can't be gracious and admit Hillary had too many negatives and ran a terrible campaign.

#81 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 04:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I admit it. Hillary had too many negatives and ran a terrible campaign. What's your next talking point to deflect from the truth of my statements about Trump being a racist monstrosity?

#82 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-01 05:01 PM | Reply

From the article ...

The reasonable right includes people like Shapiro and the radio commentator Dave Rubin; legal scholar Amy Wax and Jordan Peterson, the Canadian academic who warns about identity politics; the social psychologist Jonathan Haidt; the New York Times columnist Bari Weiss and the American Enterprise Institute scholar Christina Hoff Sommers, self-described feminists who decry excesses in the feminist movement; the novelist Bret Easton Ellis and the podcaster Sam Harris, who believe that important subjects have needlessly been excluded from political discussions.

They present their concerns as, principally, freedom of speech and diversity of thought. Weiss has called them "renegade" ideological explorers who venture into "dangerous" territory despite the "outrage and derision" directed their way by haughty social gatekeepers.


Here's the problem ...

This is supposed to be news? Media types doing think pieces on other media types?

Who effing cares.

I recognize Jonathan Haidt, and I liked what he had to say. Bari Weiss isn't impressive, same with Same Harris.

In America the "chattering class" (aka: pundits) can be wrong about everything ... from war, to civil liberties, to all forms of inequality -- last time I looked, America still wages multiple wars, the Bill of Rights has mostly been shredded, and half the population is poor despite America being the richest nation in the history of history -- but these same pundits are never held accountable for either being wrong or talking about things that don't matter.

All of this is simple -- free speech is free speech, so long as it isn't inciting violence. Arguing about definitions of labels (conservative, liberal) means little in the context of America's list of problems.

No wonder Trump voters rail against "fake news", just look at what they're talking about.

#83 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-01 05:09 PM | Reply

What's your next talking point to deflect from the truth of my statements about Trump being a racist monstrosity?
#82 | POSTED BY MODER8

I'm not defending Trump. I stopped voting after Reagan.
That's when I became convinced we have a systemic problem.

If you are up on your history, it's a common problem when nations become imperialist empires.

#84 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

RAY: A more common problem is the continued habit of Trump supporters of mentioning HRC every time Trump is the topic of discussion. Never mind the fact that many (most?) of the liberal regulars here on the DR never supported HRC (-myself included if you are have any memory at all of my posts from 2016). Never mind that HRC is now completely irrelevant to any honest argument. Never mind that by definition at this point, references to HRC are obvious attempts at deflection. If you want to honestly argue against people such as myself denouncing Trump as a racist monstrosity, then don't forfeit all credibility from the get-go by focusing on HRC.

#85 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-01 05:15 PM | Reply

#85 Why do you always deflect to Hillary?

#86 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-01 05:23 PM | Reply

Moder8

Not meaning to deflect. Only to note that the left has to live with its mistakes. I think you people are spending so much time and energy attacking Trump, that you haven't learned the lessons of what got him elected. If you are a moderate, then the current crop of candidates have moved further to the left than Hillary. That leaves moderates like you stuck with Biden.

#87 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I stopped voting after Reagan. That's when I became convinced we have a systemic problem."

Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.
That systemic problem?

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-01 05:35 PM | Reply

"You can't be gracious and admit Hillary had too many negatives and ran a terrible campaign."

If Trump had lost, people would be saying his was the worst run campaign in modern history.
Insulting veterans, disabled veterans, gold star families, kicking crying babies out of his rallies, mocking the disabled, grabbing them by the -----.

Turns out that was all pure genius.
Congratulations, Republicans.
You Built That!

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-01 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.
#88 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Didn't we have this conversation before?
Mathematically, there is always a top 20% the same as there is always a top 1%.

That systemic problem?

No. Some day historians will be writing about the Decline and Fall of the American Empire.

#90 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 05:45 PM | Reply

Some day historians will be writing about the Decline and Fall of the American Empire.

#90 | POSTED BY RAY

They're writing about it now ... www.goodreads.com

#91 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-01 05:47 PM | Reply

#91 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Oh yes. Chris Hedges. I've watched many of his speeches.

It's obvious to me. We're living under a mountain of debt with no chance of getting paid down. We've got wars going on all over the world. Our foreign policy is making enemies all over the world. The police are now military trained and equipped. Privacy is almost gone. This government now treats its citizens as enemies. We're called "noncombatants."

With all that going on, voters keep demanding more from their government. The only way to pay for it is to create new money. However and whenever this ends, it will not be pretty.

#92 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 06:04 PM | Reply

"That leaves moderates like you stuck with Biden."

John Delaney is not dropping out. There's still hope!

#93 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 09:36 PM | Reply

"Some day historians will be writing about the Decline and Fall of the American Empire"

Are day historians like day traders? What about the night historians? :)

#94 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 09:39 PM | Reply

"Some day historians will be writing about the Decline and Fall of the American Empire.

#90 | POSTED BY RAY"

Assuming one day there is one.

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-01 09:43 PM | Reply

"Mathematically, there is always a top 20% the same as there is always a top 1%."

Of course there is.
What about the "practically all the gains" part?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 01:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Some day historians will be writing about the Decline and Fall of the American Empire.
#90 | POSTED BY RAY"


Start documenting it.

It's happening.

Trump has pushed the boulder.

#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-02 03:16 AM | Reply

#13

because they're not the ones trying to turn the tables and make themselves the victims, eg: poor repressed Republicans, the mean old left won't them eat their brother's porridge. so UNFAIR!

#98 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-09-02 04:03 AM | Reply

"I think you people are spending so much time and energy attacking Trump, that you haven't learned the lessons of what got him elected."

Trump is no fiscal conservative. For decades, it was the progressives demanding tariffs as a means of preserving low skill jobs in the US. I think most were smart enough to understand that tariffs wouldn't work, but they were trying to message a less educated class who could understand the logic in a one-dimensional sense.

Much of Trump's popularity comes from his left-wing policies intended to appeal to low skilled workers. Anyone who has ever taken an economics course understands that tariffs are a bad idea.

#99 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 04:14 AM | Reply

"Mathematically, there is always a top 20% the same as there is always a top 1%."
Of course there is.
What about the "practically all the gains" part?
#96 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Gainers rise to the top. Losers sink to the bottom.
What part about the math don't you understand?

Sounds like you have an envy problem.

#100 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 07:08 AM | Reply

"What part about the math don't you understand?"

Because someone else is getting richer at a higher marginal rate.

#101 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 07:52 AM | Reply

Anyone who has ever taken an economics course understands that tariffs are a bad idea.

We built our nation by using tariffs. Adam Smith told us that manufacturing is the key to wealth that is why we became the wealthiest. The problem with Trump isn't tariffs, it's just that he doesn't know how to apply tariffs in a meaningful way; i.e. through Congress. No one is going to spend millions building a new factory on the basis of an EO that can be reversed by the next president, no, it has to be enacted by Congress so that investors can believe it will remain in place long enough for them to build the factory and manufacture in that factory for many years to com. Madbomber, a Libertarian, is just a supply side economics idiot and we can all see the results of their misguided economic policies for the working class. When you hear Libertarian economic theory just translate it to trickle down, piss on the working class economics.

#102 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 08:37 AM | Reply

Because someone else is getting richer at a higher marginal rate.
#101 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Incomes rise and fall over one's lifetime.

Is that supposed to be a problem?

#103 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 08:42 AM | Reply

When you hear Libertarian economic theory just translate it to trickle down, piss on the working class economics.
#102 | POSTED BY DANNI

Trickle down? Like take from the poor and give to the rich.

Sounds like income taxes.

#104 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 08:46 AM | Reply

#102

...has not taken an economics course.

#105 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 08:56 AM | Reply

"We built our nation by using tariffs."

No. We just about destroyed our nation by enacting tariffs.

"Adam Smith told us that manufacturing is the key to wealth that is why we became the wealthiest."

That's wrong again. What Adam Smith told us was that the "invisible had" was they key to wealth. The phenomenon resulting from individuals working to increase their own economic well-being. David Ricardo borrowed and built upon his philosophies by constructing the theories of comparative and relative advantage, whereby states would engage in economic activities that represented the most efficient use of labor. If you have a 10 doctors, it's better to have them doing doctor things than it is to have them shoveling snow. Because few people can do doctor things. Anyone can shovel snow.

"No one is going to spend millions building a new factory on the basis of an EO that can be reversed by the next president, no, it has to be enacted by Congress so that investors can believe it will remain in place long enough for them to build the factory and manufacture in that factory for many years to com."

No one is going to spend millions building a factory unless that factory is going to generate a worthwhile income.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 09:03 AM | Reply

I've taken a very extensive economics course lasting from 1980 to today. I learned that trickle down economics is just a method of funnelling wealth to the 1% while the rest of us gained virtually nothing. I suspect you have never taken an economics course in your life and base your theories on propaganda b.s. from right wing news and hate radio. It seems quite clear that the economic collapse in 2007-2008 taught you nothing because your belief system is so biased in favor of Libertarian economic crap. It has never worked in any country in the world, and it has been tried. It is garbage. If that is what you learned in an economics course you're left totally ignorant of economics so probably the course you took was propaganda and the Koch brothers have bought the economics departments in several universities for that exact purpose.

#107 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 09:03 AM | Reply

"When you hear Libertarian economic theory just translate it to trickle down, piss on the working class economics."

It's reality.

And in a free society, there is no way that workers with a low economic value earn anything other than a low income.

#108 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 09:05 AM | Reply

"I've taken a very extensive economics course lasting from 1980 to today."

No. What you've done is created an artificial construct within your own mind. A construct filtered through your own ideological lens.

The stuff you're talking about...that's not economics. I took seven econ courses during my grad/undergrad, and never once did I hear a professor spew the type of silliness that you are.

That's OK...you can make things up if you want to. But you're like an evangelical Christian trying to use science to justify religion. It doesn't work. And anyone with a lick of sense (or an ECON class or two under their belt) is going to ignore you right off the bat.

#109 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 09:10 AM | Reply

If you were to open an economics textbook, what do you think it would say? Do you think it would validate your beliefs?

#110 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 09:11 AM | Reply

Exporting raw materials instead of importing them, instead of exporting manufactured good is what the Libertarian fools have convinced America to do because we can buy cheap products. But it won't build wealth in the United States, it drains wealth from the United States. Have you ever looked at the trade deficit with China????? That is real money, that is a transfer of wealth. If we continue on this path we will eventually gain 2nd world status and after that 3rd world status. We either return to a manufacturing economy or swirl in the bowl as we are flushed. You confuse economics with ideology. I don't. I see what is actually happening instead of putting your ideology first and then arranging the facts to somehow, stupidly, support ideas that are obviously not true.
If you honestly believe the United STates can be the wealthiest nation on the planet without also being the largest manufacturer you are delusional. If we had a war with China do we even have all the parts of our planes, bombs, missiles????? We depend on them for parts we would need to fight them. That alone proves outsourcing is utter nonsense.

#111 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 09:16 AM | Reply

"It's reality."

No, it's not.

REALITY is the way the equation is constructed, and the current and two prior tax codes were both constructed to funnel money upwards. For proof, look no further than favored rates on dividends and LT capital gains, inheritance laws, carried interest, and GRATS.

Currently, a trust fund baby can open $50,000 of dividend checks from Proctor & Gamble and not owe a penny of federal taxes. Meanwhile, a janitor profiting $50,000 via sweat-of-the-brow labor owes over $10,000 in federal taxes.

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-02 09:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And in a free society, there is no way that workers with a low economic value earn anything other than a low income."

Utter nonsense. In China, people who work at McDonalds own their own homes. With no mortgage."

www.scmp.com

What you really support is the transfer of wealth to bankers. That is the basis for Libertarian economics. The Koch brothers were/are Libertarians. They believe in no rules to protect the average person from being ripped off by the bankers. It helps the bankers steal property and then resell it for a profit. Finance homes, create a recession, repossess homes, sell it off or even rent it for years. It's a scheme, it's what Libertarianism is based on.

#113 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 09:23 AM | Reply

They believe in no rules to protect the average person from being ripped off by the bankers. It helps the bankers steal property and then resell it for a profit.
#113 | POSTED BY DANNI

Banks are a government protected monopoly. Bankers have a license to steal because of the rules, not in the absence of rules.

#114 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 09:48 AM | Reply

"Utter nonsense. In China, people who work at McDonalds own their own homes. With no mortgage."

Last time I checked, China was still a communist country.

"What you really support is the transfer of wealth to bankers."

Not really. I don't feel that you, I, or anyone else should be obligated to do business with a bank. No one is going to stop you if you choose to cut them off.

"It's a scheme, it's what Libertarianism is based on."

Libertarianism is based on individual freedom and the ability to make your own choices, rather than having them made for you.

#115 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 11:15 AM | Reply

In China, people who work at McDonalds own their own homes. With no mortgage."
Last time I checked, China was still a communist country.

Yes Madbomber. I'm pretty sure the Chinese government owns the land. That's why no mortgage.

#116 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 11:21 AM | Reply

And if there is one thing I am absolutely sure of Danni, it's that I don't want someone who is willfully ignorant on economics to be making economic decisions on my behalf. If I DO want that, I'll move to Venezuela.

#117 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 11:23 AM | Reply

"Ben Shapiro, a popular conservative podcaster, asked Americans to draw a line between the few conservatives who are white supremacists and those who, like him, aren't."

Maybe he should ask them to build a wall between them. Seems to be a popular thing with the white supremacists the rest of the R -----. And then normal Americans could build a wall around both of them dangerously evil groups.

#118 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-02 11:26 AM | Reply

"Ben Shapiro, a popular conservative podcaster, asked Americans to draw a line between the few conservatives who are white supremacists and those who, like him, aren't."

That's stupid.

Many of the new alt-right espouse left-wing economic views. Hell, the National Socialists...were socialists.

#119 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 11:47 AM | Reply

Assuming Fairbanks is correct about the "Reasonable Right," then it's time for the Reasonable Right to recognize that their party has been highjacked by Trump and his toady, McConnell. The Reasonable Right needs to cut its losses" and regroup and rebuild as the Conservative Party. The Republican Party has been run and ruined by the Unreasonable Right. Gotta abandon that boat.

#120 | Posted by Nimbleswitch at 2019-09-02 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hell, the National Socialists...were socialists."

No, that is completely untrue. Their first enemy was the Communists. They put "Socialist" into their party name just to fool idiots like you. There was absolutely nothing about the Nazi Party that was socialist. That's a lie that has been pushed by the right for 50 years or more but it is still absolute crap.

#121 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 03:13 PM | Reply

"And if there is one thing I am absolutely sure of Danni, it's that I don't want someone who is willfully ignorant on economics to be making economic decisions on my behalf."

But then stupid, I opposed every single President who created our huge debt, except Obama, who was forced to save our economy. You say I am ignorant but you supported every single President who created our debt just to hand the rich tax cuts. You have supported supply side economics which has been tried in more than just the United States and has failed everywhere it has been tried because it is utter nonsense. Trickle down really means piss on the working class.
You are a Libertarian, and Libertarian policies have been tried in other countries, it has ALWAYS failed. It is garbage. It is just a scheme to enrich the 1%. It is just a scheme.
You pretending to understand economics but not understanding that tells us everything we need to know about your knowledge of economics.
You are economically illiterate.

#122 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 03:19 PM | Reply

There was absolutely nothing about the Nazi Party that was socialist.

Fascism is another form of socialism. Instead of direct control over production, the fascist model controls production through business.

Either way, they are both statist ideologies. That's the direction in which leftists think.

#123 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 03:28 PM | Reply

Correction. That's the direction in which leftists and rightists think.

#124 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 03:29 PM | Reply

"Fascism is another form of socialism. Instead of direct control over production, the fascist model controls production through business."

It is the alliance of government with business, it has nothing to do with socialism. It is the opposite of socialism, the fascists murdered the socialists. They were enemy number one. Your post should embarrass you due to its total lack of fact, it is totally garbage. You're totally crazy.

#125 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 03:34 PM | Reply

"Gainers rise to the top. Losers sink to the bottom.
What part about the math don't you understand?"

So, what's changed since 1975, Ray?
The change is 4 in 5 households are losers, Ray.
Yours is one of them.
Why are you happy about that?

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 03:38 PM | Reply

--Either way, they are both statist ideologies.

Yes. The model of the political spectrum favored by the Left is self-serving and meaningless.

What's more accurate is statist vs. anti-statist. The Left doesn't like that model because it puts both Nazis and Communists on the same side.

#127 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-02 03:52 PM | Reply

It is the alliance of government with business, it has nothing to do with socialism.

Now you are confusing fascism with corporatism.

The US operates on the corporatist model. It's still a form of socialism.

There's been an evolution in intelligentsia thought from communism to fascism to corporatism. They are all forms of social control. The corporate model is disguised to look like capitalism, making it a perfect scapegoat for the ills of social control.

You're totally crazy.

Since you say so, that clinches it.

#128 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 03:56 PM | Reply

"No, that is completely untrue. Their first enemy was the Communists."

And???

Stalin's first enemy was Trotsky. Another communist.

And truth be told, Trotsky was probably a better communist than Stalin was. Stalin was open to some level of peace with the non-communists. Trotsky wanted to wage war until every last non-communist was in the grave.

#129 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 03:58 PM | Reply

"They put "Socialist" into their party name just to fool idiots like you."

It had nothing to do with fooling me. I was born 30 years after the National Socialists had been relegated to the ash heap of history.

#130 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 03:59 PM | Reply

There was absolutely nothing about the Nazi Party that was socialist.

Nazi 25 point plan. For your enjoyment.

Much of it would nest well in a Bernie Sanders Campaign.

en.wikipedia.org

#131 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 04:01 PM | Reply

"You have supported supply side economics which has been tried in more than just the United States and has failed everywhere..."

Failed?

Really?

Household income is at an all-time high. Consumer costs continue to decline as a result of increased competition.

It's impossible to quantify completely, but on average Americans are doing better today than evah before. The only thing you can offer up as a complaint is that some people are getting richer than others.

#132 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 04:06 PM | Reply

So, what's changed since 1975, Ray?
The change is 4 in 5 households are losers, Ray.
Yours is one of them.
Why are you happy about that?
#126 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I think you are infected with this idea of zero-sum, for every winner, there is a loser.

Under free market exchange, buyers and sellers both gain. Each gives up something of lesser value for something of greater value.

If the zero-sum model had any merit, you would be losing every time you bought something. Unless you're stupid, you don't go to market to buy something unless you perceived a benefit.

#133 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 04:06 PM | Reply

"You are economically illiterate."

Fair enough.

I say we compare academic pedigrees.

Send it.

#134 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 04:07 PM | Reply

"I think you are infected with this idea of zero-sum, for every winner, there is a loser."

Since 1975, for every winner, there are four non-winners.
The winners are almost always those who are rich to begin with.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 04:08 PM | Reply

"I think you are infected with this idea of zero-sum, for every winner, there is a loser."

I think you're wasting you're time discussing economics with someone who has no interest in discussing economics.

#136 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 04:08 PM | Reply

"Since 1975, for every winner, there are four non-winners."

Really?

Non-winners in what sense?

Is it like, if you don't win first prize, you're a loser? Even if the prize you win is pretty ------- awesome when compared to the rest of the planet?

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-02 04:10 PM | Reply

"Household income is at an all-time high."

Whistling past the graveyard is what you do best, MadBomber.

Compare household income to household debt, and household expenditure, and the cost of a household itself, in terms of a unit household, not on a per-square-foot basis.

You don't have the guts.

#138 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 04:10 PM | Reply

"Non-winners in what sense?"

Not winning.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 04:10 PM | Reply

--the fascists murdered the socialists.

And the Bolshevik socialists murdered the more liberal, moderate socialists who were opposed to the "dictatorship of the proletariat."

#140 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-02 04:10 PM | Reply

I think you're wasting you're time discussing economics with someone who has no interest in discussing economics.

That encapsulates the mind of leftists, socialists, or whatever name is fashionable.

#141 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 04:13 PM | Reply

"I think you're wasting you're time discussing economics with someone who has no interest in discussing economics.
#136 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER"

I think the economy should serve man.
You think man should serve the economy.

You masquerade as a Capitalist, but you have the philosophy of a Communist, where the individual owes allegiance to the false economic paradigm of Voluntaryism, not to themselves. You think that when people engage in voluntaryism, the outcome is necessarily good, because two people did something that they both thought was the right thing to do.

Thus, there's conveniently never any need to examine the outcomes in your philosophy, since the outcomes are preordained. When two people did something that they both thought was the right thing to do, and how could that possibly be anything less than ideal?

It makes its own Pangloss flavored gravy.

You and Ray are perfect for each other.
He believes all the same things you do, just from a pessimist's point of view.
And you're both dumber than a bag of hammers, when it comes to economics.

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 04:22 PM | Reply

You masquerade as a Capitalist, but you have the philosophy of a Communist, where the individual owes allegiance to the false economic paradigm of Voluntaryism, not to themselves.

You got me there, Snoofy. You and your socialist comrades know what's best for the masses. The people are too stupid to know what's best for themselves.

BTW, that sentence makes no sense at all.

#143 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 04:33 PM | Reply

"You got me there, Snoofy. You and your socialist comrades know what's best for the masses."

Yeah, see, this is proof you really don't get it, Ray.
There are many tools in the economist's shed; capitalism is just one of them.

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 04:35 PM | Reply

"The people are too stupid to know what's best for themselves."

Who taught you to wipe your ass?
To read?

You should have figured these things out before you turned 18.

#145 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 04:36 PM | Reply

There are many tools in the economist's shed; capitalism is just one of them.
#144 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Centralized economic planning has always had disastrous results. Doesn't matter if the Soviets do it or Washington does it.

#145 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't know how old you are. That post comes from the mind of a ten year old.

#146 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-02 04:46 PM | Reply

In that case, you should have figured who taught you to wipe your ass before you turned 10.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 05:14 PM | Reply

"I think the economy should serve man. You think man should serve the economy."

This is your first problem. The "economy" is not an activity. It is the result of activity. The first day of ECON 101, you learn that Economics is the study of how society strives to satisfy unlimited wants with limited resources.

"You masquerade as a Capitalist, but you have the philosophy of a Communist, where the individual owes allegiance to the false economic paradigm of Voluntaryism, not to themselves. You think that when people engage in voluntaryism, the outcome is necessarily good, because two people did something that they both thought was the right thing to do."

I could give a ---- about capitalists or communists. You should have the choice to be either...not having someone else make that decision for you.

#148 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-03 01:10 AM | Reply

"Compare household income to household debt, and household expenditure, and the cost of a household itself, in terms of a unit household, not on a per-square-foot basis."

You mean, compare apples to some other non-fruit item for sale?

More gems from an economic illiterate.

#149 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-03 01:11 AM | Reply

How many of those on the "Reasonable Right" supported Trump's Muslim ban? If they did, they are hypocrites to claim that they are unfairly being lumped in with racists and xenophobes who are also conservative.

#150 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-09-03 04:23 AM | Reply

The people are too stupid to know what's best for themselves.
BTW, that sentence makes no sense at all.
#143 | POSTED BY RAY

I'm glad you admit it.

It's time to be honest: The average person doesn't know whats best for themselves.
The average person doesn't understand if a trade war is a good idea or a bad one.
The average person doesn't understand if a tax cut is a good idea or a bad one.
The average person can't explain quantitative easing, the Fed hiking/cutting interest rates, trade agreements, the IMF/WTO, or the majority of macro-economic basics.

NOR SHOULD THEY BE EXPECTED TO!

But people like you ASSUME you understand it all and end up electing people who also ASSUME they understand it all because they tell you what you want to hear. Then we get people like Trump handing out a loan from China and calling it a tax cut or starting a trade war that leads no where quickly.

Here's Proof in what Trump said that got him elected:
Trade Wars are easy to win
Health Care is easy to fix.
He'll get rid of the deficit and debt.

We need to instead be honest that we don't know what's best for ourselves and start looking to educated people who can explain how and why it is best before we make decisions. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING EXPERTS!

And that's also why Obama was a hell of a better president then Trump. He knew he didn't understand most of it. So he listened to advisers and people who did understand it. He did things he didn't like but that were best for the country. Not 100% of the time but most of it. He put ideology aside at times and pissed off Democrats who thought they knew better.

#151 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-03 12:02 PM | Reply

We need to instead be honest that we don't know what's best for ourselves and start looking to educated people who can explain how and why it is best before we make decisions.

Like Jonathan "stupidity of Democrat voter" Gruber ?

#152 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-03 12:11 PM | Reply

"We need to instead be honest that we don't know what's best for ourselves and start looking to educated people who can explain how and why it is best before we make decisions."

I agree, but I don't think you know what you're asking. Because it's not that simple

The smartest environmental scientist may tell you that the Green New Deal is essential, and must be implemented. The smartest economist would likely tell you something very different. Same thing with Medicare for all, increasing taxes...whatever.

At the end of the day, people are going to gravitate to those with whom they share common interests of beliefs. If you don't care about the economy, maybe GND is the best option. For those with a more economic focus, the proposed benefits of GND will likely seem less important.

#153 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-09-03 03:29 PM | Reply

We need to instead be honest that we don't know what's best for ourselves and start looking to educated people who can explain how and why it is best before we make decisions. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING EXPERTS!

Hahahaha. Funny stuff. You were being sarcastic, right?

#154 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-03 03:38 PM | Reply

"I could give a ---- about capitalists or communists."

Which is why when you talk, you're not talking about economics, MadBomber.

"You mean, compare apples to some other non-fruit item for sale?"

Comparing cost of a house to the cost of a house is the most apples-to-apples comparison that can be made.

Comparing the cost per square foot of something small to the cost per square foot of something big, you're no longer comparing houses. You're comparing some sort of housing cost density.

It's like comparing the cost of dog food per pound and elephant food per pound, and concluding it costs about as much to feed a dog as it does to feed an elephant.

It's abysmally stupid, even for you.

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 04:11 PM | Reply

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