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Saturday, August 31, 2019

A Pennsylvania man broke the law when he pretended to point a gun at his neighbor, using his thumb and index finger to create the shape of the weapon, an appeals court has ruled.

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"Klingseisen testified in a Lancaster County court that he felt "extremely threatened" when Kirchner made the gun gesture."

What a snowflake. Did he think his neighbor's fingers were loaded?

#1 | Posted by goatman at 2019-08-31 06:49 AM | Reply

This is a ridiculous decision, I hope he appeals the decision to a higher court. Klingseisen sounds like a real jerk.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2019-08-31 07:43 AM | Reply

One finger gun is threatening, but dual finger guns is just hanging a good time.

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#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-08-31 10:03 AM | Reply

Good thing he's an older white dude. If he was a black teenager, he probably would have been shot by a cop.

#4 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-08-31 03:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That means "hey". People do it all the time. It's like a fist-bump.

If at had been an "OK" sign, now that would have been a hate crime.

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-08-31 04:50 PM | Reply

No doubt the ACLU will be along to defend him any moment now.

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2019-08-31 05:02 PM | Reply

"given the history of the parties involved,"
Context. It's kind of important. I'm as right-wing, alt-right as the next guy, but, sorry - if you're in a serious feud with your neighbor, please don't pretend to shoot him with your finger. It's a bad look and you probably deserve a $100 fine for being stupid. Cuz ... ya know ... don't pretend to shoot people that you're in a feud with.

#7 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-08-31 06:19 PM | Reply

I'm as right-wing, alt-right as the next guy

Imagine admitting to being alt-right

#8 | Posted by JOE at 2019-08-31 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Perhaps he was threatening his neighbor with a merciless fingerbanging.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-08-31 07:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#8
Meh, the media always demonizes any and everything that comes out of libertarian and nationalistic political ideologies. Doesn't really matter - we get ---- done regardless.

#10 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-08-31 09:13 PM | Reply

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Are we sure it wasn't, "pull my finger"?

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-08-31 11:31 PM | Reply

>A Pennsylvania man broke the law when he pretended to point a gun at his neighbor
How about some common-sense "red-flag" laws, everyone? Presumption of innocence will be supreme and there's no possible way at all that leftists could ever possibly abuse this, ever.

#12 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-01 02:17 AM | Reply

>accursed year 2022
everyone who's ever voted for a conservative is rounded up and/or arrested late at night and placed into internment camps

#13 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-01 02:29 AM | Reply

well that comment confused the html parser and it wasn't good enough to replicate so I'll leave you all to wonder what it was all about

#14 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-01 02:31 AM | Reply

But....it was an assault-type semiauto finger! Kindergartners beware!

#15 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-09-01 03:34 AM | Reply

Jimmie Walker kicked out of a Seattle motel due to a finger gun. Jimmie discusses the incident with David Letterman.

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#16 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2019-09-01 09:20 AM | Reply

I agree with the statement about context mattering. If you're in a feud with someone, making a verbal threat would also be taken seriously, especially if the person already had a no contact order against you.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 | Posted by Merovigan

Well an actual Libertarian (not a faux one) isn't Alt-right. It isn't Right at all. It's a view on authoritarianism vs "libertarianism". What I have found is most "libertarians" don't really understand what that means.

Nationalistic ideals are a problem. It is Alt-right. Nationalism in some form or another has lead to most of the conflicts of modern times. You can not be "only me" without causing conflict. I mean that thought is just stupid. There are always winners and losers but to think you can only think of yourself to the exclusion of other's interests just doesn't work. I believe in protecting our interests but realize there is give and take.

The Alt-right is overwhelmingly white. And it isn't just about nationalism in the USA it's more about wanting to restore the "glory days" of whites as with the rise of the Nazi's wanting to restore Germany there were clearly telegraphed ulterior motives.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-01 03:11 PM | Reply

#12 | Posted by berserkone

Ummmm Leftists? ALL laws are open for abuse by ALL. I'd rather see someone temporarily lose possession of their guns than massacre anyone with them. A gun isn't necessary for existence in this country. It isn't necessary for protection on a day to day basis.

This nut job was in a feud with his neighbor and mocked shooting him. I mean come on when isn't that a red flag. It's incredibly poor judgement in the least. So what if he was flipped off? At the time, Natore had a "no contact" order against Klingseisen... That means the court saw there was a problem and Klingseien was in violation of that order already. If he returned the gesture OK BUT he didn't.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-01 03:19 PM | Reply

#18
There's nothing wrong with causing conflict. There is something very wrong with not loving the country you are a citizen of.

#20 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-09-01 03:28 PM | Reply

"The Alt-right is overwhelmingly white. And it isn't just about nationalism in the USA it's more about wanting to restore the "glory days" of whites as with the rise of the Nazi's wanting to restore Germany there were clearly telegraphed ulterior motives."

The term "alt" is just an abbreviation for alternative, so it could refer to one specific subculture or any subgroup that's outside the "mainstream" or "establishment". The term "alt-right" was basically used as a slur for a while to paint everyone on the right who was unhappy with the status quo as being the same as those you described there.

I don't have a problem with people "reclaiming" a slur if it's something that was originally innocuous and makes semantic sense.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 03:29 PM | Reply

"There is something very wrong with not loving the country you are a citizen of."

If you'd said there is something very wrong with hating the country you are a citizen of, I'd agree with you. Intelligent people can having conflicting feelings about their own countries, because there's not a nation on this planet that doesn't have a history of injustice against its own people or its neighbors. Not a single one.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#22
You may have the right of it with the "not loving" vs "hating" idea. I've been wrong before, I'll do it again too.

But because of the ubiquity of injustice, I tend to zero it out. Every country's done something in the past to be ashamed of. Should that mean you don't love your country, because it has done something wrong? I don't think it does.

#23 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-09-01 04:11 PM | Reply

I've always distinguished between patriotism and nationalism, even though both terms have been cynically misused. To me, the latter means "I love my country and will always stand by it right-or-wrong," or sometimes naively "my country can do no wrong." But there's nothing wrong with being proud of and loving the good aspects of one's country, which is also true of every nation.

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 04:29 PM | Reply

Nationalism has a definition. "identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.". A secondary meaning is "advocacy of or support for the political independence of a particular nation or people." Both definitions almost assuredly result in conflict. As I posted elsewhere - nationalism is very bad. The majority of conflicts in modern times not related to Nationalism - either definition. The thing is Nationalism is easily manipulated by leaders of the movement to their own ends. WWII was caused by Nationalism.

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-01 07:08 PM | Reply

#21 | Posted by sentinel

I don't mind the Alt's reclaiming it. The thing is just like Germany wasn't all Nazis in the beginning the majority of Germans became Nazis.

#26 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-01 07:12 PM | Reply

#25
So long as their are (a) limited resources and (b) parents love their own children more than they love the children of other people, there will be conflict. That's just part of the human experience, and has nothing to do with Nationalism, nor Patriotism. But what those two ideas give us, at the very least, is a better definition of who our team is, and who we should be willing to sacrifice for (Americans) and, just as importantly, who should be made to sacrifice for us (everyone who isn't American.)

#27 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-09-01 08:59 PM | Reply

#1 his neighbors fingers probably are loaded.

notwithstanding, that's how i naturally point. but not like a bwana in the middle of the street.

#28 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-09-02 03:54 AM | Reply

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