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Sunday, September 01, 2019

Paul Rosenberg: The core of Joe Biden's presidential campaign is the argument that he represents the "safe" choice. He's the candidate who can defeat Trump. He's the candidate folks are comfortable with.

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"A would-be President Biden will not get much more cooperation from the GOP than Obama did, but he will continue to play nice, babbling on about his "good Republican friends" only to have them tar him with everything that goes wrong as a result. All this will make massive midterm losses in 2022 even more likely ( la 1994 and 2010, as I noted here), and will position the GOP to run a more professional and disciplined Trumpist to defeat him in 2024."

#1 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-01 12:24 AM | Reply

Biden's record on crime and justice

As the former chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Biden's bad record on crime and justice is particularly important, and is not just a matter of the distant past, as most Biden apologists would have it.

In early July, Biden was asked about progressive proposals to rebalance the courts " more than three years after Mitch McConnell's unconstitutional refusal to let the Senate even consider Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland. Biden's "don't hit me!" response was telling: "I'm not prepared to go on and try to pack the court, because we'll live to rue that day."

That's certainly true, if folks like Biden are running the party. Because his record in this regard is atrocious, as I recounted here in September 2015. Four things I focused on back then are worth recalling here:

First, Biden's image as a kinda-sorta progressive is belied by his rightward drift in the Senate. From entering the Senate in 1973 through January 1987, he averaged the 16th most liberal member of the Senate; from then through January 1999, he averaged that 30th most liberal; and from that till he left the Senate in January 2009, he averaged out as the 38th most liberal member. His DW-Nominate score (based on roll-call voting) shifted 10 percent to the right over this time.

Second, Biden played a leading role in building the drug war,

#2 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-01 12:29 AM | Reply

donald will get a second term. The last president that didn't was elected 30 years ago.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-09-01 12:36 AM | Reply

Nah ... its all good! Promise!

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-01 01:01 AM | Reply

You know what this is about? Dems have went too far left. And they know it. The American people are not as liberal as the Democrat party is trying to take them. That's why articles about Biden are coming out like this.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2019-09-01 08:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

You know what this is about? Dems have went too far left. And they know it. The American people are not as liberal as the Democrat party is trying to take them. That's why articles about Biden are coming out like this.

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

On the individual issues, the American people are VERY liberal and progressive ...

Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues
www.salon.com

- Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
- Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
- Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
- Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
- End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
- End Gerrymandering (73%)
- Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
- Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
- Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
- Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
- Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
- Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
- Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
- Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
- Full Employment Act (70%)
- Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

The problem is that these issues are presented to Americans through a corporate-prestige-media that has no interest in clearly explaining the issues, and instead profit from muddying the waters even when bipartisan majorities agree.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-01 09:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The DNC would rather lose than nominate Tulsi Gabbard

The four-term Hawaii congresswoman is too unorthodox for the Democratic party. What a shame

spectator.us

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Rich White Liberals Prefer Liz Warren

Polls show Warren has more wealthy, white supporters than Biden, Buttigieg

freebeacon.com

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 10:04 AM | Reply

Morons would rather have four more years of Trump appointing Supreme Court justices than having a nominee who doesn't pass their purity test.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 10:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#6 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Its all in the way you phrase the question ....

Do you want more free stuff, without paying for it? Yes ...

See most is liberal.


Morons would ...
#9 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You seem to be triggered....

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-01 11:17 AM | Reply

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9 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 10:51 AM

No what they want is someone who can actually beat Trump and who isn't just another pro-corporate neo-liberal trash, and that is not Biden.

The God damn man can hardly remember Obama's name for FHK sakes he constantly making stuff up of what he has done and when things happen.

Biden would lose against Trump

#11 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-01 11:20 AM | Reply

"You seem to be triggered...."

Nonsense. There are no sure things in politics, but Biden objectively has best chance of beating Trump electorally out of all the declared candidates. These people don't deny it and are bemoaning a scenario where Trump loses reelection. That is moronic.

I appreciate the rent free space in your head, though. :)

#12 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 11:32 AM | Reply

"You seem to be triggered...."

Nonsense. There are no sure things in politics, but Biden objectively has best chance of beating Trump electorally out of all the declared candidates. These people don't deny it and are bemoaning a scenario where Trump loses reelection. That is moronic.

I appreciate the rent free space in your head, though. :)

#13 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 11:32 AM | Reply

Biden would lose against Trump

#11 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

Popular vote or EC?

Because you guys are setting up another popular vote win with an EC loss.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-01 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DNC Blocks 'Vote-By-Phone' for Iowa and Nevada Caucuses, Citing Security Concerns"
pjmedia.com

This is the party that wants it as easy to vote as to take a piss when it's Republican vs. Democrat, but they are concerned about "security" when it's Dem vs. Dem.

Nice of them to admit that vote by phone or online is a terrible idea.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden objectively has best chance of beating Trump electorally out of all the declared candidates

We have a very recent "objective" example of putting up a geriatric corporate centrist Dem against Trump. Do you remember what happened?

Dems nominate Biden at their own risk. I watched them hose Bernie and held my nose for Hillary in 2016 in an attempt to stop Trump. If they are dumb enough to make the same mistake twice, they might not have the support of people like me anymore.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-01 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We have a very recent "objective" example of putting up a geriatric corporate centrist cocky, overconfident wench Dem who took herself way too seriously and talked down to people against Trump. Do you remember what happened?"

Yes. Yes, I do. Good thing Biden is nothing like Mrs. Clinton.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 12:20 PM | Reply

If they are dumb enough to make the same mistake twice,

In some ideal world, candidates are chosen according to their wisdom and intelligence.

In the real world, Biden has a friendly look and a familiar face. Sanders looks like he lives in a nursing home.
That's what gives Biden the edge over the less photogenic and unfamiliar candidates.

Every time I see Bernie's name, I think of the movie, "Weekend with Bernie." Bernie was a corpse.

#18 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 12:26 PM | Reply

We have a very recent "objective" example of putting up a geriatric corporate centrist Dem against Trump. Do you remember what happened?

That's such a gross oversimplification i would have thought you a righty if I didn't know any better.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-01 12:43 PM | Reply

#18 not to mention he just sounds angry and yelling all the time.

People agree with him but I don't see many putting up with being shouted at all the time, especially if they're on the fence.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-01 12:45 PM | Reply

Biden is nothing like Mrs. Clinton.

Their politics are virtually identical. And referring to her as "cocky" and "overconfident" is lrgely a postmortem analysis and has very little to do with why people didn't vote for her in the places where it mattered.

Bernie won the Dem primary in Wisconsin and Michigan for a reason. Voters here are tired of corporate centrism that brought them NAFTA, trillion dollar wars, and decline in the middle class. They will only be motivated by someone with a new vision. Biden is not that person.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-01 12:47 PM | Reply

Biden isn't getting my vote. If they run him anyway and lose, it might be the best thing that could ever happen to the Democratic Party.

The ensuing revolt and open rebellion could destroy the last vestiges of the corporate Neo-lib wing for good.

burn it to the ground. cleanse it with fire.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-01 01:02 PM | Reply

"Their politics are virtually identical."

Hillary Clinton did not lose in swing states because of her political record. That's just wishful thinking by political extremists on both sides.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 01:28 PM | Reply

"burn it to the ground. cleanse it with fire."

More wishful thinking, by people with "revolutionary" mindsets.

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 01:30 PM | Reply

Biden is a proven multi-time liar and plagiarist. He no longer has the capacity to be president.

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-01 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If the Dems elect Biden he will be toast people will not bother to get up off there behind and vote for a corporate sell-out Dem and a former drug warrior who seems to not know what the hell he is saying.

It just not going to happen

#26 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-09-01 01:35 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

The middle is irreparably broken and corrupted. no thanks.

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-01 01:39 PM | Reply

#26

Unless he runs with Buttigieg. A Biden/Buttigieg ticket would check all the boxes.

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-01 01:45 PM | Reply

Hillary Clinton did not lose in swing states because of her political record.

Whatever you say. I believe 2016 was the year Americans finally reached their breaking point with regard to status quo presidential candidates. The RNC understood this and got out of the way. The DNC was blind to it and paid the price.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-01 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Unless he runs with Buttigieg. A Biden/Buttigieg ticket would check all the boxes."

I definitely agree that a Biden/Buttigieg ticket would likely attract more younger voters (at least Millennials) across the nation to go out and actually vote for them than a Warren/Sanders ticket would.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 02:22 PM | Reply

The middle is irreparably broken and corrupted. no thanks.

#27 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

BS. It's the movement to the extremes that's killing our political process and country.

Your comments, in the context of your broader posting history, suggests that that is your desired outcome.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-01 02:30 PM | Reply

burn it to the ground. cleanse it with fire.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Comrade, Comrade, Comrade...

Go back to your ancestral country of Retardastanstan and burn it to the ground and cleanse it with fire.

Then tell us how that works out.

Ok?

ok!!

MAGA!

Build the wall!

Lock Her Up!

Go back!

Totally Exonerated!

Repeal and Don't Replace!

Rawwwwwwwk!

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-01 02:31 PM | Reply

"Whatever you say."

Glad you agree!

"I believe 2016 was the year Americans finally reached their breaking point with regard to status quo presidential candidates. The RNC understood this and got out of the way. The DNC was blind to it and paid the price."

People were definitely sick of Bush and Clinton dynasties in 2016, especially after the previous Bush and Clinton presidencies left bad tastes in Americans mouths. HRC had that baggage hanging around her neck in addition to all her other personality defects. As unhappy as Americans are with the status quo, next year they're not going to elect a guy who looks like he's angry and yelling at them all the time, or a woman who appears to be the lovechild of Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 02:34 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2019-09-01 02:31 PM

It took a lot of courage and effort to be even more foolish than the post you were replying to, but you pulled it off.

#34 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 02:44 PM | Reply

Look, someone too far left will just result in a huge mid-term loss period. What the Democratic party actually needs is a LONG term strategy - see the Republican Southern Strategy followed by the fear mongering of the right. People are naturally more conservative - people do NOT like change. If they see something as a return to "better" times they will instinctively seek it. Even if it is questionable vs significant change.

All that said I see the value in changes many of the remaining candidates are selling. Some of them I have a serious issue with though. For example I love some of Yang's proposals but some are too easy to fear monger or mock away by the right (basic income) AND the left (Thorium reactors). The fact of the matter is I think he has some things right. I think we need universal medical coverage BY THE STATE. That isn't to say we can't have additional coverage by a secondary free market. I have seen what it is like under universal health coverage. It isn't bad but it could be better. The problem is people don't REALLY know and they fear the unknown and fear mongers easily increase that fear.

Republicans in general don't vote in their best interests.

#35 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-09-01 02:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--the left (Thorium reactors).

One of his better ideas, carbon-free energy. But the climate cultists won't have it.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 03:01 PM | Reply

In some ideal world, candidates are chosen according to their wisdom and intelligence.

#18 | POSTED BY RAY

In the ideal world, candidates would be chosen by their policies that represent bipartisan majorities of voters ...

Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues

www.salon.com

- Allow Government to Negotiate Drug Prices (79%)
- Give Students the Same Low Interest Rates as Big Banks (78%)
- Universal Pre-Kindergarten (77%)
- Fair Trade that Protect Workers, the Environment, and Jobs (75%)
- End Tax Loopholes for Corporations that Ship Jobs Overseas (74%)
- End Gerrymandering (73%)
- Let Homeowners Pay Down Mortgage With 401k (72%)
- Debt-Free College at All Public Universities (Message A) (71%)
- Infrastructure Jobs Program -- $400 Billion / Year (71%)
- Require NSA to Get Warrants (71%)
- Disclose Corporate Spending on Politics/Lobbying (71%)
- Medicare Buy-In for All (71%)
- Close Offshore Corporate Tax Loopholes (70%)
- Green New Deal -- Millions Of Clean-Energy Jobs (70%)
- Full Employment Act (70%)
- Expand Social Security Benefits (70%)

These things should have been legislated and enacted LONG AGO.

And if that were the case, no one would have ever heard of "PinchALoaf".

I would have never thought twice about following politics -- voting, yes -- following closely, no.

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-01 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'These things should have been legislated and enacted LONG AGO.
And if that were the case, no one would have ever heard of "PinchALoaf".'

If only they had known, we all could have could have been spared the condescending lectures of a keyboard warrior from the Chair Force.

#38 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-01 04:58 PM | Reply

"He's the candidate folks are comfortable with."

It's not an issue of comfort. For millions and millions of Americans it is an issue of getting the racist monstrosity currently in the White HOuse thrown out onto the street.

#39 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-01 05:03 PM | Reply

In the ideal world, candidates would be chosen by their policies that represent bipartisan majorities of voters

That's like the proverbial two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

Massive majorities back Bernie Sanders on the issues

And not one of them have any idea how it's going to be paid for.

#40 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 05:19 PM | Reply

If only they had known, we all could have could have been spared the condescending lectures of a keyboard warrior from the Chair Force.

#38 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

And I would've been spared of having my eyeballs withstand the visual vagrancy of a doofus saying Kip Winger had talent.

#41 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-01 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And not one of them have any idea how it's going to be paid for.

#40 | POSTED BY RAY

How did we pay for Trump's corporate tax cut?

How did we pay for bailing out Wall Street?

How did we pay for two Bush Tax Cuts while fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

How did we pay for Bush's Medicare Part D?

America is the richest country in the history of all history ... there's plenty of money, and you shouldn't let anyone tell you otherwise.

#42 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-01 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42 all was paid for with debt.

No, there's not plenty of money. There's just different debt spending priorities.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-01 05:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

America is the richest country in the history of all history ... there's plenty of money, and you shouldn't let anyone tell you otherwise.
#42 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

That's if you want to ignore the $21 trillion bonded debt and the $200 trillion unfunded debt.

We live in a credit based economy where dollars are created from nothing by the act of borrowing. Now you know where the money comes from.

Eventually all debts get paid, either by borrowers or by lenders. I would not want to be either one in this environment.

#44 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-01 06:11 PM | Reply

A Biden win would mean four years of Putin turning into howard hughs sure that his various crimes are going to be listed on him at any second.

#45 | Posted by Tor at 2019-09-01 06:19 PM | Reply

I definitely agree that a Biden/Buttigieg ticket would likely attract more younger voters (at least Millennials) across the nation to go out and actually vote for them than a Warren/Sanders ticket would.

You base that on...what, exactly? Sanders leads virtually every poll of young voters i've seen.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-01 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

all was paid for with debt.

No, there's not plenty of money. There's just different debt spending priorities.

#43 | POSTED BYJPW

You're right. But that's still a technicality.

Free college could have been a reality by simply taking the recent bipartisan agreement to raise DoD spending in the last budget.

And free college has downstream benefits for the country, such as reduced healthcare spending because a college education is the #1 social determinant to better health ...

youtu.be
[1:45 thru 4:30]

catalyst.nejm.org

If we have enough money to buy uneeded military weapons, then we DEFINITELY have money for free college -- deficit spending is beside the point.

#47 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-09-02 06:06 PM | Reply

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