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Sunday, September 01, 2019

A California state appeals court Friday overturned the lone conviction against an undocumented immigrant who shot and killed Kate Steinle on the San Francisco waterfront in 2015, a case that drew national attention and became a flashpoint in the debate over illegal immigration.

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Should be interesting to see what gun-controlling, open-border advocates chime in with .....

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-01 11:26 AM | Reply

--advocates chime in with .....

I predict: nothing. This is a story to be buried.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let them all loose. Everyone in a California prison is just oppressed by racists.

Open the doors and let them all run free on the streets of San Diego, LA, and San Fran.

Free heroin, clean needles, and moonshine. It's triggering to use a pressure washer.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-01 11:55 AM | Reply

--Free heroin, clean needles, and moonshine.

Just as long as they can't obtain a plastic straw it's all good.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 12:33 PM | Reply

Everyone in a California prison is just oppressed by racists.

And stop putting them in prison ...

After Proposition 47: Crime and No Consequences in California
www.nationalreview.com

Spike In Shoplifting Blamed On California Prop 47's Reduced Penalties
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com

Even out of staters are getting in on the action.

California seeing more retail robbers from out-of-state
abc7.com

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-01 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--California seeing more retail robbers from out-of-state
abc7.com

California ought to make it official and declare itself to be a sanctuary state for criminals.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-01 12:55 PM | Reply

Totally Exonerated!

#7 | Posted by bored at 2019-09-01 01:28 PM | Reply

"On Friday, California's 1st District Court of Appeal reversed the gun possession conviction after it decided that members of the jury should have been instructed about the possible defense of "momentary possession." With his criminal record, Zarate couldn't legally possess a gun " but the appeals court said that jurors should have been instructed to consider whether Zarate picked it up not knowing it was a gun, and then got rid of it when it had fired and killed Steinle." www.buzzfeednews.com

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-01 01:42 PM | Reply

Sounds like second degree manslaughter.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2019-09-01 10:03 PM | Reply

Zarate picked it up not knowing it was a gun, and then got rid of it when it had fired and killed Steinle." www.buzzfeednews.com
#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-01 01:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG

How can you not know what a gun is? Sounds like complete bs.

#10 | Posted by byrdman at 2019-09-02 12:37 AM | Reply

The gun used by Garca Zrate had been stolen in downtown San Francisco from a Bureau of Land Management (BLM) ranger's personal vehicle on June 27, 2015, according to the Bureau of Land Management.[6] The ranger, John Woychowski, testified at trial that he had left the weapon holstered and unsecured in a backpack under the front seat of his personal vehicle while he went to dinner with his family.[12] The car's window had been broken.[13][14] en.wikipedia.org

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 01:19 AM | Reply

Another innocent illegal immigrant being railroaded for picking up a loaded gun and killing someone thinking it was an avocado.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-02 01:48 AM | Reply

I heard the girl was wearing a hoody and flashed a gang sign, while flaunting her skittles.

She was asking for it.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2019-09-02 02:31 AM | Reply

Illegals, it seems that to Californians, can do no wrong.

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-09-02 02:47 PM | Reply

None of you know any of the details yet are completely willing to pretend to know he is guilty of intentionally murdering a woman.
Were I you, I'd be embarrassed, obviously courts considered the mattetmore carefully and disagree with you but then, they actually looked at all the evidence before they decided, something y'all don't seem to think is important.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-02 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

None of you know any of the details yet are completely willing to pretend to know he is guilty of intentionally murdering a woman.

I doubt it was intentional ... it was negligent. "willfully discharges a firearm in a grossly negligent manner which could result in injury or death to a person."
blogs.findlaw.com

That being said, if you are for gun control this is hardly the out come you would want. If you were really about gun control, anyone killed with a gun accidentally discharged would be at least 5yr IMO...

Also if you are for OpenBorders this doesn't look good .....

I heard the girl was wearing a hoody and flashed a gang sign, while flaunting her skittles.
She was asking for it.
#13 | POSTED BY BORED

I don't doubt that is what YOU heard.

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 03:45 PM | Reply

but the appeals court said that jurors should have been instructed to consider whether Zarate picked it up not knowing it was a gun, and then got rid of it when it had fired and killed Steinle." ~ Snoofy

Yeah thats it .... never enough detail ...

And if they said that, then the might have missed telling the jury Zarate didn't know the gun was loaded ...

And if they said that, then they might have missed telling the jury Zarate didn't know how to aim the weapon ...

And if they said that ..... its never ending with that sort of BS.

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 03:48 PM | Reply

"If you were really about gun control, anyone killed with a gun accidentally discharged would be at least 5yr IMO..."

I noticed that all you brought to the conversation is No True Gun-Grabbing Scotsman Fallacy.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're mad that an illegal immigrant had effective legal counsel, right, Andrea, a mattress?

That's what really pisses you off. We're treating illegals like regular people.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nobody ever stole a gun from someone who didn't have one. Criminals love people who hoard guns and ammunition. It sells real good on the black market.

#20 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-02 06:50 PM | Reply

The FACT remains that if this ILLEGAL SOB had not come into our country [you know, ILLEGALLY] this young lady would still be alive. This is a case of serious child separation from family.

I have absolutely zero compassion/tolerance for any and all who cross our boarders illegally.

#21 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-09-02 07:20 PM | Reply

You're mad that an illegal immigrant had effective legal counsel, right, Andrea, a mattress? ~ Snoofy

No, its that someone died and the perp walked away without any penalty .... Are you just mad that he used gun? Kinda hurts your ability to think straight does it?

I noticed that all you brought to the conversation is No True Gun-Grabbing Scotsman Fallacy.
#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I noticed all you brought were your empty questions....

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 07:48 PM | Reply

The judge improperly instructed the jurors. Of course the case has to be reversed. I can think of dozens of analogous situations. In order for a defendant, any defendant, to have a fair trial, a judge has to properly instruct the jurors of the applicable laws. This includes the laws a defendant may rely on to have a defense. Imagine if the judge in the Zimmerman-Trayvon murder trial in Florida had neglected to tell the jurors about the Stand Your Ground law in that state. Zimmerman would have been denied his only defense, and been convicted of murder. In this case the jurors had concern about transitory possession of the firearm They were so concerned that they even sent out questions from the jury room for the judge on that issue. But still the judge never instructed them on that applicable specific piece of the law. Regardless of whether the defendant was guilty or not guilty, he did not get a fair trial.

#23 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-02 09:30 PM | Reply

"No, its that someone died and the perp walked away without any penalty ...."

Was Justice served?

Justice is not the same as revenge.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-03 11:42 AM | Reply

Jose Inez Garcia-Zarate was a criminal who had been deported 5 times, arrested many times for drug offenses in three states, and criminal reentry. He was a carrier criminal, who likely stole the Ranger's firearm from the car. Was justice done? Only in California would this result be possible. Only in California would anyone find a jury pool this brain dead.

#25 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 03:54 PM | Reply

#23 | Posted by moder8 Ever wondered what Travon's last words were? According to witnesses "I'm going to kill you" as he was slamming Zimmerman's head in the sidewalk. That is hardly a stand your ground situation.

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 03:59 PM | Reply

#25-How is this a jury problem?

#27 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2019-09-03 04:41 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by Charliecharles California juries? Where facts don't matter but feelings do.

#28 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 05:10 PM | Reply

Zimmerman didn't use a SYG defense.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 05:10 PM | Reply

"He was a carrier criminal, who likely stole the Ranger's firearm from the car."

Anyone who leaves a gun in a car should be held criminally negligent, in my opinion.
Unless it's got like a trigger lock attached or something.

Much in the same way that this shooting couldn't have happened if the shooter weren't here illegally, this shooting couldn't have happened if the "responsible" gun owner was actually responsible with their, make that, our gun, that we issued him as part of his job.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 05:12 PM | Reply

#27 | Posted by Charliecharles California juries? Where facts don't matter but feelings do.
#28 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

You're full of ----.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-09-03 05:14 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 Explain this creature's release then.

#32 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 10:02 PM | Reply

#32 It wasn't done by a jury. It was done by the Court of Appeals.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 10:25 PM | Reply

Explain this creature's release then.

As usual, you are long on rhetoric and short on reality. He remains in custody pending federal felon in possession charges and retrial on state felon in possession charges, although the fleeting possession defense remains problematic for both.

#34 | Posted by et_al at 2019-09-03 10:51 PM | Reply

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