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I've seen a downtown park in SLC filled with homeless folks about 6 years ago when I went there for business after hearing SLC didn't have a homeless issue.

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"a downtown park in SLC filled with homeless folks about 6 years ago"

That's Pioneer Park. It was an open air drug mkt. and got cleared out 2 years ago.

Salt Lake has had its problems, but they do provide much assistance - www.google.com

The problem isn't solved, but you can go downtown at night.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-01 05:36 PM | Reply

"The only thing I've ever seen that really worked in terms of reducing the number of people on the street was the Housing First policy," said Glenn Bailey, who directs Crossroads Urban Center, a Salt Lake City food pantry.

"The mistake we made was stopping."

Thats the rub .... once word gets out the "homeless" population just grows beyond capabilities/beds etc.

Its a perfectly natural biological phenomenon, population growth where resources are cheap.

That being said, I do like the idea of tiny home parks, but the cost of a bathroom the government builds is over $1Million dollars per, but you could buy a tiny home off Amazon for $10K. Whats the real issue?

Is it a myth SLC put a dent in homelessness by giving away resources, probably not a myth at the start. But word gets out ...

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-01 05:52 PM | Reply

Aboted_Monson hates the downtrodden and would never do anything to help them - needs their votes. Frigging Republican.

I do my best. I'm O-neg so I let them drain me once a month. I also give.

Mormons may have a... certain pajama problem but Christians (or whatever) are just like anyone else: you get the bad and the good.

here, this will explain it: www.youtube.com

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-02 12:51 PM | Reply

Aboted_Monson hates the downtrodden and would never do anything to help them - needs their votes. Frigging Republican.

I do my best. I'm O-neg so I let them drain me once a month. I also give.

Mormons may have a... certain pajama problem but Christians (or whatever) are just like anyone else: you get the bad and the good.
here, this will explain it: www.youtube.com

#3 | POSTED BY RussiaRat

You sure are one dumb Ruskie! I don't hate the downtrodden at all. I don't give directly to and enable beggars, scam artists, or junkies/alcoholics though.

I DO donate quite frequently to non-profit organizations like the Union Gospel Mission in Seattle which helps the homeless find the help they need if they want it. They help with addiction issues, mental issues, food, low cost housing, and help finding jobs. They are a GREAT organization, google them. Donate to Mary's place, google it. Also donate to local food banks as I have relatives that are retired and volunteer there.

So keep telling the lie that SLC has solved their homeless issue, they haven't as they've stopped a lot of funding to their "solutions".

....and take your attack on me along with your "magic underwear" and shove it straight up your Ruskie Putin lovin' @$$!

#4 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-03 01:39 AM | Reply

and take your attack on me along with your "magic underwear" and shove it straight up your Ruskie Putin lovin' @$$!

#4 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON AT 2019-09-03 01:39 AM | FLAG:

Don't hold back..... tell us how you really feel.

#5 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-09-03 10:11 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by aborted_monson, And some would say you are enabling addicts to continue their lifestyle. I am all for feeding women with kids or families. We need adequate shelters for them. But honestly, it is time we took the sidewalk dwellers off the street.
Bad things have happened, like muggings, rapes and murders buy these individuals. Are happening, like more of the same with the addition the addition of cases of Typhus breaking out. And will become worse. In our environment about 2% of the rats carry Bubonic plague. Get one person infected by a flea bite, they will spread Pneumonic plague before they get extremely sick and unable to move about by coughs or body fluid. Pnemonic plague kills much faster. What me worry? Nope, I have been immunized, have you?
Back in the past, we didn't call men on the street living in tents and boxes homeless, we called them bums.
There was a practice we used to use that seemed to work. If a cop saw a bum that was never at work or constantly drunk or high, he would arrest him for vagrancy. The JP would appraise whether the individual was indigent,(without funds) and if competent enough to work, he went to the county farm for a month. If they were declared incompetent to work, we had a state hospital. They had a pretty effective at detox method, padded rooms and straight jackets.

#6 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 05:04 PM | Reply

"Back in the past, we didn't call men on the street living in tents and boxes homeless, we called them bums."

Something else if they were black.

"There was a practice we used to use that seemed to work. If a cop saw a bum that was never at work or constantly drunk or high, he would arrest him for vagrancy."

Criminalizing homelessness seemed to work...
Did it actually work, or did it only seem to work?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 05:08 PM | Reply

#7 | Posted by snoofy Actually, it worked. The philosophy was different. The common belief was that if an individual could not take care of themselves, they should be taken care of. They did not respect the rights of the incompetent. Which I believe is much more humane than the depraved indifference we are practicing now.

#8 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 05:28 PM | Reply

"The common belief was that if an individual could not take care of themselves, they should be taken care of. "

Yeah, well you certainly don't believe that.
Health care for example.
You don't think everyone should have it.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 05:58 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by snoofy As far as it goes, the best health care I have seen is in Germany, and that system is a private system, sort of. You have to have insurance you pay for. If you can't afford it, some will be provided. The lever of care you receive depends upon how much you provide. If you smoke, or do drugs or drink excessively it can get expensive. People usually have the same private insurance their entire life.

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-03 07:27 PM | Reply

Too bad your party will never, ever support that here.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 07:29 PM | Reply

"The common belief was that if an individual could not take care of themselves, they should be taken care of. They did not respect the rights of the incompetent. Which I believe is much more humane than the depraved indifference we are practicing now."

For what it's worth, Docnjo, I agree.

The depraved indifference we see now, it was justified as a budget-cutting move by conservatives Republicans.

These -------- tell us charity should step in to solve these problem.

Well, where the ---- is the charity? They're still out there being charitable, but these problems are getting worse.

It's a sick, starve the beast mindset. Starving the beast necessarily hurts those most dependent on the beast. Hurting people who need to be hurt is a core value for the riiiight these days.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 12:37 AM | Reply

#12 | Posted by snoofy What you ignore is the down side of government run health care. Being poor or old in Germany is a death sentence.

#13 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-09-04 06:43 AM | Reply

"Being poor or old in Germany is a death sentence."

That's different here?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 02:25 PM | Reply

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