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Tuesday, September 03, 2019

Mayor Bill de Blasio has aggressively pushed a bike-friendly agenda, adding about 100 miles of dedicated lanes for cyclists amid a spike in rider collisions, but he's done little to address the danger that bikers themselves pose.

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More childish hogwash from the NYPost.

Yer an idiot, mackris.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-09-02 11:40 AM | Reply

In New York, bicyclists must obey traffic laws, for example, stopping for pedestrians in crosswalks. From what I see on the NYC TV evening news, most of the injuries are due to bicyclists not obeying the traffic laws.

More bike lanes will benefit those who follow the laws. But for those who continue to flaunt the laws, the only approach appears to be ticketing.

... As a cyclist, I am embarrassed often, by the way cyclist behave yet to hear them online they are the oppressed ones. ...

NYC cyclists are a different breed, at times more aggressive than cars because of their maneuverability.

Around here (western CT), it is the cyclists who are killed and injured by people driving without paying attention to what (who) they are running into. Indeed, the statistics around here tend to be along the lines of how many pedestrians and bicyclists are hit by cars, and not how many pedestrians are hit by bicyclists.


#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-02 12:33 PM | Reply

NYC cyclists are a different breed, at times more aggressive than cars because of their maneuverability.

I agree .... we have the same type in SFO. Hell I have been down SFO MarketStreet at rush hour, doing the wiggle, I get it, its intense....

Indeed, the statistics around here tend to be along the lines of how many pedestrians and bicyclists are hit by cars, and not how many pedestrians are hit by bicyclists.

While true, sometimes I see videos of the cyclist riding in the middle of the two-lane road, claiming its their right, and the car is being an --------.

In Europe riding is so much different, though I do see it changing, even in the short number of years I have been going. But there its like we share the road to get along and get going. It took some getting used to, but it makes it much more enjoyable for everyone.

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 02:28 PM | Reply

Yer an idiot, mackris.
#1 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

Perhaps ...

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#3 ... sometimes I see videos of the cyclist riding in the middle of the two-lane road, claiming its their right, ...

Here in CT, cyclists can ride two abreast on the side of the road. When I'm driving and I am coming up upon a group that is more than two abreast, they have always gotten to the two-abreast formation well before I reach them

When I'm cycling in that type of situation, I've always heard a "car back" shout from one of the people riding with you, and you move to the two abreast formation.

To your point, there's always one person who has to be the analpore. Around here the drivers are very good with sharing the road, but there's always the one who comes up behind you and passes a bit too closely. Usually it's an SUV.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-02 02:50 PM | Reply

Here in CT, cyclists can ride two abreast on the side of the road. When I'm driving and I am coming up upon a group that is more than two abreast, they have always gotten to the two-abreast formation well before I reach them

It might be the difference between recreational cyclist and the racer types ...

two abreast isn't bad, but when there are 10 echelons its impossible for a car to pass safely on a two lane windy road/climb.

Yes, SUV or JEEP, of course a distinction without a difference.

Though I have been "coaled" by a Truck before going up DonnerPass.

I've always heard a "car back" shout from one of the people riding with you, and you move to the two abreast formation.

You probably don't have many electric cars in your area, they sneak up on us all the time, here in SantaClara County.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 03:07 PM | Reply

As a cyclist, I am embarrassed often, by the way cyclist behave yet to hear them online they are the oppressed ones.

I didn't know about the oppression bit but here they're largely --------.

Never follow traffic signs or signals so you end up playing these annoying leapfrog games on narrow side streets where you have to cross the center line to pass them, but they slip right by you at the stop sign along with everybody else who's following traffic laws and then blow through the intersection, so everybody has to pass them again because they won't or can't go faster than 5-10 mph.

But they have the gall to glare at you when you pass them.

Annoying as hell.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-02 03:11 PM | Reply

@#6 ... two abreast isn't bad, but when there are 10 echelons its impossible for a car to pass safely on a two lane windy road/climb. ...

Some of the roads I ride on are narrow and windy. I've had a car stay about 50 feet back for over a half mile because it was not possible to pass me. I haven't had too much trouble with cars trying to pass when they shouldn't.

... You probably don't have many electric cars in your area, they sneak up on us all the time ...

The riders around here tend to have eyeglass mirrors and don't rely upon the car's noise.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-09-02 04:03 PM | Reply

Sounds like they need more bike lanes.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2019-09-02 04:06 PM | Reply

#7

God yes! Nothing (ok so a lot of things but not pertinent to this thread) pisses me off more than a bicyclist who blows through a stop so you have to pass them again. The other one is when they cut across two lanes of traffic to make a left I have had them make me miss lights because of that stuff.

#10 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-02 04:13 PM | Reply

Never follow traffic signs or signals so you end up playing these annoying leapfrog games on narrow side streets where you have to cross the center line to pass them, but they slip right by you at the stop sign along with everybody else who's following traffic laws and then blow through the intersection, so everybody has to pass them again because they won't or can't go faster than 5-10 mph.

I don't know about never. But I agree, the ones I meet as part of my club insist the cars obey the laws, cyclists? Nah...

As Tao states, blowing through a stop sign is typical, they behave like its a right.

The riders around here tend to have eyeglass mirrors and don't rely upon the car's noise.

We do too .. still happens ...

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 05:22 PM | Reply

Sounds like they need more bike lanes.

#9 | POSTED BY BORED

This is what people say that don't have lots of bike lanes ....

But here's the thing with bike lanes, they get crap in them and are never swept/cleaned/cleared.

If cyclists aren't in the lanes I always drive in them to "sweep" them as best I can; As a cyclist, you still must ride close to the cars to get clean roads.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 05:25 PM | Reply

Like pedestrians and cars, bicyclists should have their own dedicated infrastructure.
A line painted on a road built for cars is not dedicated infrastructure.
America outpaces the rest of the modern world in cyclist deaths, thought not nearly as egregiously as gun deaths.
usa.streetsblog.org

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 05:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like pedestrians and cars, bicyclists should have their own dedicated infrastructure.

Riding a on a bike path is incredibly dangerous.... head on, know a couple of friends have this happen on the LosGatosCreekTrail.

I have begun to prefer MountainBiking ...

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 05:45 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Not sure if its the safety in numbers, but I like the idea that if you always see bikes so it makes you more aware of them and expect them.

The less you see them, the less you expect them.

Need to get over the hump somehow

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 05:48 PM | Reply

"Riding a on a bike path is incredibly dangerous.... head on"

Tell your friends they should look where they're going! :)

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-02 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Multi speed bikes are the problem. Nobody needs a bike that has 5, 10, 15 or more speeds. They should be outlawed. Single gear bikes are all that are needed to get riders from one place to another.

#17 | Posted by Vaquero at 2019-09-02 07:08 PM | Reply

Tell your friends they should look where they're going! :)
#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Well thats the joke, hitting the bollards is common enough for a good laugh and trip to the hospital .. :)

Multi speed bikes are the problem. Nobody needs a bike that has 5, 10, 15 or more speeds. They should be outlawed. Single gear bikes are all that are needed to get riders from one place to another.
#17 | POSTED BY VAQUERO

When we add the Battery Assist there is only one speed .... accidents will be more catastrophic.

But I really believe in the mainstreaming of the battery assist bikes. It opens up all sorts of good things, like riding with your spouse, climbing hills enroute and enjoying the great outdoors more.

There is downside ... but the upside is worthy of investment.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 07:35 PM | Reply

#12 I lived in the Netherlands for a year and their bike lanes are fantastic and clean. If bike lanes can be managed by cheese eating surrender monkeys, surely the greatest nation on earth can.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2019-09-02 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#18 Whoosh.

#20 | Posted by bored at 2019-09-02 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If bike lanes can be managed by cheese eating surrender monkeys...

Come on now, that's France.

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-09-02 08:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12 I lived in the Netherlands for a year and their bike lanes are fantastic and clean. If bike lanes can be managed by cheese eating surrender monkeys, surely the greatest nation on earth can.
#19 | POSTED BY BORED

I think if you look at Snoofy's graph you can see why... more people on bikes.... probably less distance for commuting as well.

How was the Netherlands? Would really like to go, take a barge bike tour ... seems like the best of both worlds.

#18 Whoosh.

Nice .... I have on occasion fixed a couple of bikes from Netherlands, they use different parts :)

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-09-02 08:16 PM | Reply

I saw some electric bikes at REI going for $750 and up. They're like beach bikes. very similar to my paper bike when I had a route.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-02 09:53 PM | Reply

I bike in Manhattan several times a week (okay, normally twice a week) and I really don't like riding anywhere besides the West Side bike path because the streets are sketchy AF. So depending on my mood and the light/weather outside I'll often walk the few blocks to 12th Ave. In my experience the most unpredictable travelers in the city are 1. pedestrians, 2. bicyclists, and 3. Cars. I think a lot of that has to do with the accountability put on drivers, for obvious reasons of course, but anybody can cause a deadly accident. You don't always have to be behind 2 tons of steel. The worst part, and why finding a solution is so difficult is the entitlement of all interested parties. Pedestrians, drivers, and cyclists all think their needs are most important and stand in the way of being able to address the issue.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-09-03 01:32 PM | Reply

I live in a rural area where there is a steepish hill ending in a relatively busy highway, I throw my leaves and grass into the bike lane so I can watch them skid or spill trying to stop. I think bike lanes are a waste. Most bikers are young white males.

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-09-03 05:06 PM | Reply

I throw my leaves and grass into the bike lane so I can watch them skid or spill trying to stop. I think bike lanes are a waste.

#25 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Can't tell whether he is joking or just a psychopath.

#26 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-03 05:14 PM | Reply

"I throw my leaves and grass into the bike lane so I can watch them skid or spill trying to stop."

this is ALL that is left of "the right".
gotta own the libs.
#38 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE
drudge.com

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-03 05:19 PM | Reply

Multi speed bikes are the problem. Nobody needs a bike that has 5, 10, 15 or more speeds. They should be outlawed. Single gear bikes are all that are needed to get riders from one place to another.

#17 | POSTED BY VAQUERO

I'm a mountain biker and yes, we hate roadies, but your idea of single speed bikes is ridiculous. Many roadies are training for competitions, not fetching the bread or on a stroll.

#28 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-09-04 12:23 PM | Reply

A bike rider nearly took me out this morning, cutting too close into a left turn. I was on the far right, she was going extremely fast, on a sidewalk that is used by both peds and cyclist. 6 more inches closer, and I would of been toast.

I know it wasn't intentional, but...

#29 | Posted by DMTDust at 2019-09-04 02:32 PM | Reply

Motorists are also killing bicyclists.

In once case, a frustrated motorist ran over a bicyclist, killing him.
In another, a freak accident knocked one car into an oncoming bicyclist, killing him.
Cycling next to parked cars is dangerous. In one accident, the driver opened his door and knocked the cyclist in front of a speeding car.

As a kid, I never thought much of the risks I was taking. I had a few close calls that almost killed me.

#30 | Posted by Ray at 2019-09-04 06:42 PM | Reply

but your idea of single speed bikes is ridiculous.
#28 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

The post was an allegory to the gun issue. Congratulations, you kind of got it.

#31 | Posted by Vaquero at 2019-09-04 07:52 PM | Reply

This pos newspaper and mindset is so frustrating. I biked Manhattan from my 20s (19990s) to 40s daily, to work, to school, for giggles, and dreamed of the day they made those train engine cattle scoopers sized for bicycle use. The entitlement of a NYC pedestrian is unbelievable: singles crossing midstreet, 20 people at various stages of crossing against a light, the stepping into/standing in the bike path... Rly , just 90% ------- all day every day. You couldnt ticket them, their outrage is too powerful. Cars frustrating but at least predictably dangerous (why we might ride in middle of road). I got a tibia shattered by being doored by a passenger exiting into the street. 1) media, report the pedestrians jaywalking that contributed to their injury and 2) seriously ticket the pedestrians as much as the bicyclists and cars and expensively and maybe the culture will shift a little. I was once ticketed 75 bucks for starting thru a soon to change red light with noone at the 4 way but me and the ummarked popo beside me. I took my licks. Peds can take theirs.

#32 | Posted by ZONic_BOOM at 2019-09-05 06:34 AM | Reply

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