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Wednesday, September 04, 2019

Thomas B. Edsall, New York Times: Over the four years during which he has dominated American political life, nearly three of them as president, Donald Trump has set a match again and again to chaos-inducing issues like racial hostility, authoritarianism and white identity politics. Last week, at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, the winner of the best paper award in the Political Psychology division was "A 'Need for Chaos' and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies." ... Petersen, Osmundsen and Arceneaux find that those who meet their definition of having a "need for chaos" express that need by willingly spreading disinformation. Their goal is not to advance their own ideology but to undermine political elites, left and right, and to "mobilize others against politicians in general."

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Well, they're certainly getting their money's worth, aren't they?

#1 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-09-04 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If "chaos" means disrupting the status quo and old arrangements that the privileged elites have done quite well by in the last 50 years, then more chaos please.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 11:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Voters Who Love Chaos Love Trump

Chaos is the best way to create a stronger nation, right?

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-04 11:34 AM | Reply

#2

Most Political Scientists will tell you that is what "Draining the Swamp" means to populists.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-04 11:45 AM | Reply

So Republicans officially aligned themselves Kaos.

Well, you are doomed because we have Agents 86 and 99.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-04 11:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 7 | Newsworthy 1

If "chaos" means disrupting the status quo and old arrangements that the privileged elites have done quite well by in the last 50 years, then more chaos please.
#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Nope, that's not what it means.

If you watched anything other than Hannity, you'd know that.

What has Trump accomplished?

1. The economy's longest growth cycle in history is coming to an end.
2. The DOW hasn't grown in over 18 months.
3. The deficits have doubled.
4. We are deporting less people now than before Trump.
5. Disaster aid and military construction money is being spent on redoing fences along the border.
6. Not a single new mile of fence/wall has been constructed.
7. Large numbers of Trump officials are going to jail or are in jail.
8. Vacancies for government positions and federal judge positions remain empty.
9. N. Korea is testing missiles left and right.
10. Russia does what it wants and Trump rewards them for it.
11. Allies no longer trust us.
12. Criminal illegal immigrants are now allowed to stay in the country longer than ever due to a backed up immigration court system that treats everyone the same.
13. etc. etc. etc.

And best yet, they had to revise the job growth last year down 500,000 jobs meaning the tax cuts accomplished absolutely nothing. Unfortunately, now if we do hit a recession, we can't use tax cuts or spending to get ourselves out of it.

Please, do tell us what Trump has accomplished. This I'd love to hear.

#6 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-04 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

"Their goal is not to advance their own ideology but to undermine political elites, left and right, and to "mobilize others against politicians in general."

Posted by rcade at 10:35 AM | 6 COMMENTS | permalink

This is some people here, obviously.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-04 12:37 PM | Reply

-If you watched anything other than Hannity, you'd know that.

If that's all you have to offer, then just STFU.

What a frickin crybaby.

the entire point is miles above your head.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-04 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trumps fanboys are delusional

todays "conservative" is someone who has suffered a brain injury

combine the two and you have the perfect formula for a walking/talking douchenozzell

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-04 01:26 PM | Reply

There is definitely a contingent of voters that seem to believe that burning the entire system down is the best way to proceed in "fixing" America, even if the eventual end result is a more theocratic/plutocratic/authoritarian America, or worse.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-09-04 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

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There is definitely a contingent of voters that seem to believe that burning the entire system down is the best way to proceed in "fixing" America, even if the eventual end result is a more theocratic/plutocratic/authoritarian America, or worse.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-09-04

This theme ran through the entire George W. Bush years. They hoped the wars would help drive it, like any fascist would.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-04 01:59 PM | Reply

"There is definitely a contingent of voters that seem to believe that burning the entire system down is the best way to proceed in "fixing" America"

Economic Darwinism.
It's how they've repackaged Social Darwinism.
Now, instead of applying it to individual, we need to let whole communities and sectors of the economy fail.

GM for example. They are still mad that Obama didn't let GM fail.
The Great Recession for example. They are still mad Bush and Obama didn't let the entire global economy didn't fail; predictably they lay it all at Obama's feet.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 02:08 PM | Reply

In other words, -------- love having an ------- president. As we've witnessed every day on this site.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-04 02:27 PM | Reply

If "chaos" means disrupting the status quo and old arrangements that the privileged elites have done quite well by in the last 50 years, then more chaos please.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

You know trump filled his white house with lobbyists and bankers right dum dum? What a sucker you are.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-04 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If "chaos" means disrupting the status quo and old arrangements that the privileged elites have done quite well by in the last 50 years, then more chaos please.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

Except he's not doing that.

It's new people on the take and they're more brazen about it then any I can remember.

Trump is exactly what I expect out of a government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-04 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association

There's your first problem. All of these professional/academic organizations like the Modern Language Association, American Psychological Association, etc., are controlled by the Left and publish the most appalling rubbish conceivable. Most of their "studies" can't even be reduplicated because their authors don't have a scintilla of intellectual integrity and impartiality. Their professional journals have an embarrassing track record of publishing preposterous nonsense, having to retract hoax articles--Sokal hoax is the most famous, the more recent "dog rape culture" hoax, publishing loony leftwing diatribes about "intersectional quantum physics," and are just a basket full of crazy.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Their professional journals have an embarrassing track record of publishing preposterous nonsense, having to retract hoax articles-

#16 | Posted by nullifidian

So like fox news, minus the retractions.

What are your feelings about trump filling his white house with lobbyists and bankers?

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-04 03:22 PM | Reply

"Sokal hoax is the most famous"

Had to look it up.
It's from 1996.
"At that time, the journal did not practice academic peer review and it did not submit the article for outside expert review by a physicist."
en.wikipedia.org

"The editors did not seek peer review of the article by physicists or otherwise; they later defended this decision on the basis that Social Text was a journal for open intellectual inquiry and the article was not offered as a contribution to the physics discipline."

In other words, they gave equal time to all points of view, even crazy ones.

And this is exactly where Nullifidian claims academia has gone off the rails today: By not being open to an "alternative" intellectual outlook.

Funny stuff.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-

Something must have stung you badly.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-04 04:06 PM | Reply

As Norm MacDonald used to say, this article was originally published in Duh! Magazine.

Peter Baelish would have admired Trump.

"Chaos is a ladder," for some people.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-09-04 04:10 PM | Reply

"Something must have stung you badly."

Maybe he tried "out" someone for not being PC enough, but it backfired on him, and now he's the one who got ostracized, and he's still bitter about it.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:13 PM | Reply

--Something must have stung you badly.

I can't sleep at night because of global warming. I'm almost afraid to watch CNN's 7-hour global warming telethon tonight.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 04:14 PM | Reply

You're certainly a coward, that much is true.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:18 PM | Reply

You're certainly a coward, that much is true.
#23 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Says the courageous internet forum poster.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-04 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A professor involved in a hoax meant to test the bias of the academic community is now facing disciplinary actions from his employer and accusations of research misconduct.

After a Campus Reform investigation led the journal Gender, Place, and Culture: A Journal of Feminist Geography to question the validity of a viral article it published about "rape culture" in Portland dog parks, the piece was revealed to be part of a larger hoax. A team of researchers who banded together to test the editorial standards of various academic journals submitted several bogus papers, including one that was simply a section of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf, rewritten with various academic buzzwords.

Portland State University professor Peter Boghossian and his partners successfully published seven fake articles in [gender studies and other journals]. Seven others were rejected. Boghossian was the only one of the three hoaxing researchers who was also a full-time university employee. However, he says that may change, as PSU's Institutional Review Board has now accused him of committing research misconduct, according to a report

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.insidehighered.com

www.campusreform.org

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 04:30 PM | Reply

"A professor involved in a hoax meant to test the bias of the academic community is now facing disciplinary actions from his employer and accusations of research misconduct."

Well it was deliberate misconduct on his part.
You can think it was misconduct for the greater good, but it was certainly misconduct.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:32 PM | Reply

I can't sleep at night because of global warming.

#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-04 04:14 PM |

I just spoke with a person whose family member died in the heat. In bed; at night. So don't sleep.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-09-04 04:55 PM | Reply

So Republicans officially aligned themselves Kaos.

Well, you are doomed because we have Agents 86 and 99.

#5 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2019-09-04 11:54 AM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 5

Not to mention our Cone of Silence!

#29 | Posted by cbob at 2019-09-04 05:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

You keep posting that same story. What is it you think it proves?

Why are you so obsessed with a college professor? You think he is the pressing issue ruining our country right now?

And why do you keep refusing to answer how you feel about trump filling his white house with lobbyists and bankers?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-04 05:52 PM | Reply

Trump is disruptive and he does bring chaos. But so is the class clown who lights his farts, cheats on exams and threatens the teacher. He's unfit to be the president.

Shaking up the status quo is fine. Challenging party ideology, both Republicans and Democrats, is not in itself a bad thing. But not with this cretin at the helm. He has no conscience, no moral code, and that used to matter to people who called themselves conservative.

And since the bottom line result of initiatives to cut taxes, cripple the Affordable Care Act, gut environmental regulation, put ethically empty people in his cabinet and appoint right wing judges is to make life easier for the rich and powerful at the expense of Joe and Sally Six-Pack, I am not convinced the swamp is being drained in any way, shape or form. Elitists still win. It's just conservative elitists replacing liberal ones.

#31 | Posted by cbob at 2019-09-04 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shaking up the status quo is fine.

#31 | Posted by cbob

The only thing trump is shaking up is the standards of decency in society. He's making it more acceptable to be a racist moronic ------- and be proud of it.

The status quo power structure of corrupt elites running the country is stronger under him than any president yet. His white house is filled with bankers and lobbyists taking advantage of the fact that the country is run by a moron.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-04 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- There is definitely a contingent of voters that seem to believe that burning the entire system down is the best way to proceed in "fixing" America, even if the eventual end result is a more theocratic/plutocratic/authoritarian America, or worse.

On the far right they are theocratic/plutocratic/authoritarians themselves, and a few anti-establishment righties who don't like the GOP; the Tea Party leftovers.

On the far left are the Purity Pony Riders who, as several concerned leftist writers pointed out last election, were more interested in getting 100 percent of their way than they were about the majority of poor and middle class Americans who, unlike themselves, would suffer the worst under a my way or the highway political attitude that let a Trump into office; these people usually being well off enough not to be too badly effected.

Then there are some of the old farts on both sides like Dulli, for instance, who are not concerned with outcomes because, well, because they won't be around for the pain the next generation suffers due to their callous disregard of the practical politics of majority consensus.

That just takes too long, and isn't all that satisfying to a nihilist or an egoist.... or both.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-04 11:59 PM | Reply

--concerned leftist writers

lol

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-05 12:04 AM | Reply

#34

More nothing from nobody.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-05 12:44 PM | Reply

Trump is Dada without the intentional irreverence for art's sake.

#36 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-09-05 05:13 PM | Reply

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