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Wednesday, September 04, 2019

U.S. grocer Kroger Co has begun asking customers to stop openly carrying firearms in stores, a change in policy, a spokeswoman said on Tuesday. ... "Kroger is respectfully asking that customers no longer openly carry firearms into our stores, other than authorized law enforcement officers," Jessica Adelman, group vice president of corporate affairs, said in an emailed statement. "We are also joining those encouraging our elected leaders to pass laws that will strengthen background checks and remove weapons from those who have been found to pose a risk for violence."

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"Asking gun retardos to stop open carry in the stores? Good luck with that!!

#1 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-09-04 12:15 PM | Reply

Poor snowflakes.

Gun nuts should get therapy dogs.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-04 12:18 PM | Reply

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor boys can't carry their manhood replacers into the store. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww what will they ever do now?? Send in their much braver wives???

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-09-04 12:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Good for Kroger! I wonder how much this had to do with Wal-Mart's announcement yesterday. Hopefully many more retailers will follow suit.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2019-09-04 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Gun nuts should get therapy dogs."

They'd almost certainly get attack dogs that would eventually attack their family members.

#5 | Posted by qcp at 2019-09-04 12:42 PM | Reply

At some Kroger stores I've been to a gun isn't needed until one exists the store. I do wish they would come to Okiehomie...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2019-09-04 01:04 PM | Reply

define gun nut

#7 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-09-04 01:12 PM | Reply

hey look

The Market Decides
Capitalism at work

That's sure to anger the Defenders of Capitalism and the Free Market here on the DR

Because they are Brain Damaged tools

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-04 01:38 PM | Reply

define gun nut

Anyone who thinks they need to be armed to buy a loaf of bread. Sane people just bring their wallet.

#9 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-09-04 01:39 PM | Reply

Catering to literally and figuratively their biggest customers, super-morbidly obese basement millenials :D

#10 | Posted by dialate at 2019-09-04 01:52 PM | Reply

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Churches and Large Retail Stores remain the favorites for mass shootings because it's where large groups of people gather and they are usually unarmed.

Kroger is now near the top of that list.

#11 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-09-04 02:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It was a Kroger where that white supremacist murdered two random black people:
You remember, the guy who didn't get shot by the arresting officers, the guy who told the arresting officers "Whites don't kill whites."
nymag.com

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 02:31 PM | Reply

"Churches and Large Retail Stores remain the favorites for mass shootings because it's where large groups of people gather and they are usually unarmed."

Looks like the Second Amendment poses a clear and present danger to those people.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 02:32 PM | Reply

if you feel like you need to strap on a pistol to go to the grocery store or to church, you should consider doing something else

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-04 02:36 PM | Reply

The Odessa mass shooter had been declared mentally unfit and would not have passed a background check.

He bought his AR-15 from a private seller at a gun show. "The gun show loophole" needs to be closed.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kroger is now near the top of that list.

#11 | Posted by Pegasus

I doubt it moved an inch on "that list".

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-04 02:39 PM | Reply

""The gun show loophole" needs to be closed.

#15 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

What loophole? I was refused purchase of a gun at a gun show because 40 years earlier (when I was in HS) I got busted for a pot seed -- yes ONE pot seed - in my car. I wasn't even convicted of anything. Judge threw it out as silly. But the fact I got arrested for it meant I couldn't buy the gun.

I wish that "loophole" worked for me.

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 02:41 PM | Reply

"What loophole?"

Head in the sand much?
It even has a Wikipedia article!

Gun show loophole is a political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not meet federal background check requirements. This is dubbed the private sale exemption or "secondary market". en.wikipedia.org

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 02:44 PM | Reply

"Kroger is now near the top of that list"

I don't know about that. more likely this comment just moved your dumb ass to an FBI list

#19 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-04 02:45 PM | Reply

He bought his AR-15 from a private seller at a gun show. "The gun show loophole" needs to be closed.

#15 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-09-04 02:36 PM | REPLY

Its badly named. It's private party sales. They happen everywhere. It needs to be reasonably reformed. Trading guns during a hunt shouldn't be a crime, but if you're selling a bunch of rifles out of a trunk at the local custard shop there should be some background checks involved.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-04 02:55 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg

News reports say he bought it at a gun show from a private seller.

Universal background checks should be mandatory. No one declared mentally unfit should be able to buy a gun under any circumstances.

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 02:59 PM | Reply

What loophole? I was refused purchase of a gun at a gun show because 40 years earlier (when I was in HS) I got busted for a pot seed -- yes ONE pot seed - in my car. I wasn't even convicted of anything. Judge threw it out as silly. But the fact I got arrested for it meant I couldn't buy the gun.

I wish that "loophole" worked for me.

Posted by goatman

You must have been trying to buy from a licensed dealer. You could buy an AR or AK today from a private seller. Not sure about the law and pistols in TX. Maybe they have to be registered, which would preclude you from owning one.

The Odessa mass shooter bought his AR at a gun show from a private seller despite his having been declared mentally unfit, which would have precluded him buying from a licensed dealer.

BTW, you should get that arrest expunged from your record. A decent attorney could get that done for you.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 03:07 PM | Reply

I'm curious, is Goatman legally allowed to possess his guns today?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 03:09 PM | Reply

"What loophole? I was refused purchase of a gun at a gun show because 40 years earlier (when I was in HS) I got busted for a pot seed -- yes ONE pot seed - in my car. I wasn't even convicted of anything. Judge threw it out as silly. But the fact I got arrested for it meant I couldn't buy the gun."

You're so full of ---- your eyes are brown.

#24 | Posted by qcp at 2019-09-04 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GOATMAN could buy a pistol from a private seller in Texas with no background check. I'm not even sure he'd run into an issue with a licensed dealer because he wasn't convicted.

Texas law regarding the purchase of firearms (including pistols):

lawcenter.giffords.org

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 03:22 PM | Reply

Universal background checks should be mandatory.

A few years ago I sold a baretta m1934 that my wife's grandfather took off a German officer in WWII. I took it to a licensed gun dealer and was offered 250 for it. I found a private collector who paid me 800.

Demanding universal background checks would have cost me 550 bucks. Unless you want to open the system up so anyone can perform a check but I see that as ripe for even more abuse.

#26 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-04 03:25 PM | Reply

Oh, well. Let's not make another thread 'all about GOATMAN.' There are too many of them already.

His story is he tried to purchase a gun at a gun show in recent years and was turned down.

According to the linked legal site that is highly improbable - especially with no conviction for the 'pot seed'). He could have moved down the aisle and bought form a private seller or off of Craigslist if he wanted to buy a pistol.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 03:28 PM | Reply

"Oh, well. Let's not make another thread 'all about GOATMAN.' There are too many of them already.

#27 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

This thread isn't about me, americanunity. Please cease your attempts to hijack it.

Thanks!

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 03:33 PM | Reply

"You're so full of ---- your eyes are brown.

#24 | POSTED BY QCP "

Actually, they are blue.

But if you have any evidence that my story is not true, please present it.

Thanks!

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-04 03:38 PM | Reply

... or off of Craigslist ...

Firearms and related items are prohibited on Craigslist. www.craigslist.org

That said, there should be reasonable reform of background checks for sales. However, I've seen some state laws (Washington or Oregon) that include "transactions" i.e. you visit a friend's rural property and he suggests hunting some doves down by the pond. You would not be able to borrow a shotgun from your friend without a background check for that transaction. That goes too far the other way.

There are one or two bills before Congress that I could live with.

#30 | Posted by et_al at 2019-09-04 03:55 PM | Reply

Demanding universal background checks would have cost me 550 bucks. Unless you want to open the system up so anyone can perform a check but I see that as ripe for even more abuse.

#26 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

Yes. This should be available to anyone. Either you require licensed gun dealers to facilitate transactions for a minimal cost (required as a condition of them BEING a licensed gun dealer), or you set up a system where I can perform a check on MYSELF and I can show evidence of it during a the gun transaction.

#31 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-09-04 04:00 PM | Reply

"or you set up a system where I can perform a check on MYSELF"

The system is basically designed to have no negative impact on gun sales.
This isn't a mistake, it's because there's basically no way to stop anyone from getting guns, thanks to the Second Amendment.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:30 PM | Reply

A few years ago I sold a baretta m1934 that my wife's grandfather took off a German officer in WWII. I took it to a licensed gun dealer and was offered 250 for it. I found a private collector who paid me 800.

Demanding universal background checks would have cost me 550 bucks. Unless you want to open the system up so anyone can perform a check but I see that as ripe for even more abuse.

#26 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Don't you think that was because 'dealers' are in the business of making money and wouldn't pay retail prices like your buyer did?

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Conversely, someone who can't pass a background check might pay a little extra to not have to pass a background check.

But the "best I can do is twenty bucks" explanation is probably the simplest, of why Tao got lowballed.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:36 PM | Reply

Obviously dealers are in it to make money. So you are suggesting that we make it easier for dealers to make insane profits just because they are the only ones who can make the sale?

If there had been any attempt to make it a fair transaction I would have done it but they decided to low ball it. Under a universal background check requirement I wouldn't have had a choice, how much you wanna bet they would low ball even worse if they knew I didn't have a choice.

#35 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-04 04:54 PM | Reply

"So you are suggesting that we make it easier for dealers to make insane profits just because they are the only ones who can make the sale?"

How many guns have you sold?
At some point, you're the dealer.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 04:55 PM | Reply

I have sold 1 gun in my life, I currently own 0 guns so the odds of me selling more are pretty slim.

Universal background checks sound nice but there are plenty of instances where they are just silly. If I had a 200 year old muzzle loading musket should I require a background check to sell it? No one is going to go on a shooting spree with one of those. How about a flintlock? Collectors guns don't really need a background check but under universal background check laws it would still be required.

I have a friend who is a collector he has about 10 guns of various ages, most would be pretty useless for a criminal, he will never sell them but what about when he passes on? Should his kids be required to get a background check for all of them? If they have to go through a dealer that would be potentially 10's of thousands of dollars they would lose just so you can feel warm and fuzzy through universal background checks.

40% of guns that end up in criminal hands come from licensed dealers who violate the law. Maybe that should be the priority over running a background check on an 18th century flintlock hunting rifle.

#37 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-04 07:08 PM | Reply

News reports say he bought it at a gun show from a private seller.

#21 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-09-04 02:59 PM | FLAG:

Right. Sometimes private sellers walk around at gun shows. I've taken in historical pieces to sell to specific collectors before. It all falls under the private sale doctrine. Look beyond the gun show. Private sales are going on everywhere.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-09-04 08:10 PM | Reply

"I have a friend who is a collector he has about 10 guns of various ages, most would be pretty useless for a criminal, he will never sell them but what about when he passes on? Should his kids be required to get a background check for all of them?"

I see what you're saying in the specific sense.

But the fact remains that if his kids shouldn't have guns, then they shouldn't have guns, even the ones they stand to inherit.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 08:23 PM | Reply

#39

I also get where you are coming from and to some extent even agree, but once again most of these are not even remotely useful in criminal enterprise.

I don't have an answer but universal background checks seems like it will cause more problems than it solves. Maybe universal checks on semiautomatic guns, crack down on licensed dealers who sell guns illegally, increase the mandatory waiting period, some combination of the three?

#40 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-04 08:48 PM | Reply

"I don't have an answer but universal background checks seems like it will cause more problems than it solves."

I want to talk about the things that hang in the balance here:

You can easily point to the problems it causes; in this case a complicated inheritance where the son is a felon or whatever. Et_Al has brought this up before, when shooting down universal background checks, and I can sense the poignancy of the complaint.

So that's the problem: It's all those messy inheritances of sons with felonies, and loaning of shotguns to go duck hunting, and all that added up. Probably a heyday for escrow agents.

Can you just as easily point to the thing it solves, a mass shooting involving a weapon obtained in a private party sale?

If you can, and you weigh them about equal, or rather the messy inheritances of sons with felonies, and loaning of shotguns to go duck hunting, and all that added up is more of a problem, then I'm kind of horrified to hear that.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 09:45 PM | Reply

"Maybe universal checks on semiautomatic guns, crack down on licensed dealers who sell guns illegally, increase the mandatory waiting period, some combination of the three?"

How about licensing, where you go down to the DMV, and have to shoot a target or something, then you get your gun licence. Renew every five years.

And just like with cars, if you're unlicensed and carrying your gun to the DMV to take the test and you get stopped on the way there, you get a pass. Otherwise, maybe not so much.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 09:53 PM | Reply

Right. Sometimes private sellers walk around at gun shows. I've taken in historical pieces to sell to specific collectors before. It all falls under the private sale doctrine. Look beyond the gun show. Private sales are going on everywhere.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg

All the more reason for universal background checks. Can't pass one? You can't own a gun. Period.

IMO, guns should be titled like cars are. There needs to be some way of tracing where they go and who they go to. Mentally ill people, domestic abusers and the like shouldn't have access to them. Sell them to someone who can't pass a background check? You're criminally and civilly liable for whatever happens from that point on.

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 10:20 PM | Reply

If there had been any attempt to make it a fair transaction I would have done it but they decided to low ball it. Under a universal background check requirement I wouldn't have had a choice, how much you wanna bet they would low ball even worse if they knew I didn't have a choice.

#35 | Posted by TaoWarrior

No one forces anyone to accept low ball offers from dealers. Selling to private individuals is always more profitable than trying to sell to a dealer.

I've been through it with musical gear. Only tried it once. From that point on, it was private individuals only.

Universal background checks should be required for all gun sales. They do not cost $550.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 10:28 PM | Reply

Obviously dealers are in it to make money. So you are suggesting that we make it easier for dealers to make insane profits just because they are the only ones who can make the sale?

TAOWARRIOR

Dealers are NOT the only ones who can make a sale.

What I said was everyone buying a gun - private or from an FFL - should have to undergo a background check.

The Odessa mass murderer bought from a private individual at a gun show. Dylan Roof, the Charleston murderer, did too. As have other mass shooters.

Anyone wanting to commit mass murder can easily buy a gun as things stand.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-04 10:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Josh Marshall @joshtpm

The new argument that we shouldn't regulate firearms because the gun extremists will kill us and try to overthrow the government isn't a terribly persuasive argument.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-04 10:38 PM | Reply

#46
It is to them.
They've got a pretty hard case of molon labe.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 10:47 PM | Reply

#44 and #45

Right now you have to be licensed dealer to run a wire check through NCIS.

If the system is opened up to more people then fine I don't have an issue with background checks I suspect that logistical setting it up to be easily accessible and fully secure might be tough but certainly do able.

I don't know how much it will solve as we already have a huge issue with dealers who don't run the checks.

#48 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-05 08:07 AM | Reply

"They've got a pretty hard case of molon labe."

A little massengill should clear that right up.

#49 | Posted by qcp at 2019-09-05 09:07 AM | Reply

If you need to carry an assault style weapons to shop for groceries, I suggest you purchase a set of --------- first.

#50 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-09-05 10:09 AM | Reply

Kroger: Stop Open Carrying In Our Stores

should say

wacko mass shooters no resistance here a Kroger!

#51 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-09-05 05:20 PM | Reply

"I don't know how much it will solve as we already have a huge issue with dealers who don't run the checks"

As I said, it's a system designed to not really stop the sale of guns.
If an answer doesn't come back in, what is it, 20 minutes, the buyer is automatically okayed.

The concept of a "national" system when nearly all of the disqualifying events are based on events that take place in State bureaucracies affords Republican/Pro-Gun states a way to hamstring the system, by not feeding forward the disqualifying record of events.

In short, polishing this turd won't help much, but exposing how bad a system it is might.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-05 05:58 PM | Reply

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