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The window to impeach Trump is closing, and senior lawmakers are sending mixed messages.

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Hate to say I told you so...

Well, not really, but when even Politico starts calling out the Dems for their inaction, you know it is almost over.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-04 01:09 PM | Reply

"...messy impeachment push now critical as window closes"

"Did you read the report?!?" - Speaks, shouting through window

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-09-04 05:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

*crickets*

-The DR Left

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-04 10:08 PM | Reply

Impeachment died the day the Mueller Report came out.

Since the Senate is a foregone conclusion, Pelosi decided to keep control over the investigations, rather than turning over control to Moscow Mitch and Roy Cohn, Jr.

Who's surprised?

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-04 10:21 PM | Reply

Democrats Have Reached A Crossroads

crooked.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-04 10:21 PM | Reply

From #5
"The Democratic Party's decision to turn the page on the George W. Bush era after the 2008 election was a grave error"

See, the Democrats have already passed the crossroads.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-04 10:29 PM | Reply

Impeachment died the day the Mueller Report came out.

At least regarding the Russia Collusion Narrative it did.

Mueller, however, gift wrapped an Obstruction of Justice Charge and the Dems are too worried about perception to do their jobs.

Voters will punish them for this.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-04 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#7 Mueller's Message: The Obstruction That Nearly Halted Criminal Case Against Russians
May 29, 2019

www.justsecurity.org

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-04 11:11 PM | Reply

Without witnesses and evidence there can be no hearings, Without hearings there's no impeachment.

I don't think the Dems thought it would be this hard to get the courts to uphold their Article 1 powers. Now we have a Drumpf judge slow-walking the tax returns when the law says the IRS SHALL turn them over when requested with no reason required.

When Dems get control of the levers of power they're going to have to right the ship regarding Congressional oversight powers and the power of Congressional subpoenas. The GOP and Drumpf have taken Unitary Executive power to authoritarian places the GOP accused President Obama of going.

#9 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2019-09-05 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who knew the GOP hated the US Constitution and Democracy? Well we've actually known the GOP hates democracy for a while, since instead of adopting policies people actually like, they do everything they can to stop or block Democratic voters from voting and even when Dems show up in overwhelming numbers, the GOP have become the masters of the gerrymander, see Wisconsin and NC in 2018.

#10 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2019-09-05 11:20 AM | Reply

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My fellow Democrats, can we forget this impeachment nonsense and concentrate on the big picture, winning the 2020 elections. Thank you.

#11 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-09-05 11:37 AM | Reply

Impeachment died the day the Mueller Report came out.
At least regarding the Russia Collusion Narrative it did.
Mueller, however, gift wrapped an Obstruction of Justice Charge and the Dems are too worried about perception to do their jobs.
Voters will punish them for this.

#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The Russia Narrative died the moment Barr lied about the Report's conclusions.

The Report itself is awash in circumstantial evidence of Trump working with Russia and details massive amounts of evidence destroyed by Trump's operatives.

Personally I'd prefer to see them wait until February to begin Impeachment for Obstruction so it drags deep into the campaign.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-09-05 11:49 AM | Reply

--My fellow Democrats, can we forget this impeachment nonsense and concentrate on the big picture, winning the 2020 elections. Thank you."

#ReadTheReport!

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-05 11:51 AM | Reply

Well, the one truth we always learn from these situations is that partisan hate makes Congress members work harder than they ever do for any other topics. They don't even work this hard when it's time to do the budget and that is actually something that impacts America. This is just a flavor of the day witch hunt that happens to every POTUS by the people in the opposite party and provides nothing of value to America, except to spread more hate.

#14 | Posted by humtake at 2019-09-05 11:55 AM | Reply

Nobody knows what Pelosi is thinking on this issue. IMO, delaying action is the wrong thing to do. I say that with the caveat that the only thing she has indicated is that the case must be bulletproof.

#15 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-05 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When the Drumpf Admin is dragged in front of the cameras, and they point out all of the things that we've been saying are true about him...

When the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference is trotted out in front of the world...

When the financial records are exposed...

...and the Republicans, Fox "news" and all of Cult 45 circle the wagons and spin it all as a witch hunt, or nuke a hurricane or something, the DR right will continue to live in their delusional bubble of fascism.

Arguing about it before it happens is pointless. There is literally nothing that can break that delusional bubble at this point. POTUS was absolutely ---- right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose voters. Having a "conversation" with anyone who still supports Drumpf is completely pointless. Unless you're a mental health professional.

#16 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-05 01:05 PM | Reply

Since the Senate is a foregone conclusion, Pelosi decided to keep control over the investigations, rather than turning over control to Moscow Mitch and Roy Cohn, Jr.

Pelosi could stretch out the impeachment inquiry as long as was necessary to achieve her political goals. Constant revelations of Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors during the 2020 cycle would diminish Trump's support among independents; enough that would prevent his re-election.

Pelosi's actions are indefensible. Her desire to maintain control of the HOR by protecting dems in Trump leaning districts should not prevent her from holding Trump accountable for his misdeeds. It's as if she thinks that maintaining control of the HOR in 2021 would give her extra powers; powers that she doesn't now have. What is she going to do different in the next congress (assuming of course that dems maintain control of the HOR) that she can't do in the current congress? When you consider that dems may not be in control of the HOR in the next congress, the wise move would be to do what can be done now.

#17 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-09-05 01:15 PM | Reply

The Russia Narrative died the moment Barr lied about the Report's conclusions.

I agree that Barr's conclusion regarding Obstruction was incorrect, but let's take a look at Barr's summary on the Russia Collusion aspect and what Mueller really said:

Barr:

"The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 US. presidential election. As the report states: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Mueller:

"We did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

Not sure where the lie is there in Barr's summary.

Nobody knows what Pelosi is thinking on this issue. IMO, delaying action is the wrong thing to do. I say that with the caveat that the only thing she has indicated is that the case must be bulletproof.

As for Obstruction, I think that there is an ironclad case, laid out by Mueller, for the Dems to follow, but that, as this Politico article makes clear, is solely under Pelosi's control.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-05 01:16 PM | Reply

- Voters will punish them for this.

That's hilarious...

"Poll: Majority wants Trump out, but not through impeachment

A majority of voters wants to see a new president in the White House, according to a new poll, but 59 percent say President Trump should not be impeached.

Fifty-seven percent of respondents said it is time to have a new president, according to a Monmouth University poll released Thursday. However, only 35 percent said they think Trump should be impeached.

Democrats overwhelmingly backed impeachment, at 72 percent. Only 39 percent of independents and 8 percent of Republicans agree, based on the poll.

Overall support for impeachment has ranged between 35 and 42 percent since Monmouth started polling that question in July 2017."

thehill.com

Most indies, see; swing voters, are much more likely to punish Dems for what they will see as a partisan impeachment, even when they want Trump out.

Besides understanding that it is a totally futile effort since the GOP Sen will never, ever risk their seats by convicting Trump.... so moderates can pick from partisan and or stupid to blame Dems.

The electorate is what it is, not what we wish it were.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-05 01:42 PM | Reply

Democrats overwhelmingly backed impeachment, at 72 percent. Only 39 percent of independents and 8 percent of Republicans agree, based on the poll.

Translation: Fcck our Base, who cares what they want, if Independents and Republicans don't want impeachment, that is good enough for us!

-Speaker Pelosi and Dorkus of Nothingham

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-05 03:08 PM | Reply

As for Obstruction, I think that there is an ironclad case, laid out by Mueller, for the Dems to follow, but that, as this Politico article makes clear, is solely under Pelosi's control.

You think she and the Democratic committees are focusing solely on obstruction?

Under investigation:
Emoluments - almost a daily thing, now.
Stormy Daniels/FEC - SDNY was shut down by Barr, but Congress is still going.
Money Laundering - clearly there are cases being built using data from Deutsche Bank and Capital One - with the excellent addition of more obstruction as things continue.

More things to consider:
Kids in cages
Diverting funds to build a wall
Pardon-dangling.
Ignoring subpoenas and instructing others to do so.

That's a lot to unpack, and Pelosi is allowing Drumpf to hang himself with all the rope she's letting out. It is possible that impeachment isn't being considered because it's not politically viable. It is also possible that the Dems are going to present a devastating case that destroys what's left of the Republican Party.

As I said, nobody really knows what she's thinking. I hope it's the latter, personally. The GOP is a cancer that needs to be excised. Terminate...with extreme prejudice.

#21 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-05 04:12 PM | Reply

#21

Good to see you wrote out your Christmas list early, but sorry to say, Santa isn't bringing you any of that.

Stick with obstruction.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-05 04:30 PM | Reply

#22

It's all icing. We won't be seeing any of it by Christmas time. This is all going to play out during election season next year.

#23 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-05 04:38 PM | Reply

This is all going to play out during election season next year.

Seriously doubt it. Read the article at the link.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-05 04:40 PM | Reply

#24

We'll find out. It's all speculation at this point anyway.

#25 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-09-05 04:53 PM | Reply

#20 posted by RoMyopic

The idea that Dems should shirk all their other responsibilities to solve the GOP's Trump Problem for them?

Tiresome, lame... myopic at best.

All politicians have to calculate the balance of good they can do IF they are in office against one or two particular feel good things they'd like to do.... and then lose the ability to affect policy in economics, foreign affairs, domestic social net and other issues that help middle America because they appeared to be partisan pols to swing voters.

SO... you and your rwing buddies can clean up your own Trump Mess, and Dems will be satisfied to beat him at the polls. And maybe pick up the Senate, too if they don't piss off swing voters with an ill-advised trip down a dead end road.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-05 10:01 PM | Reply

--The idea that Dems should shirk all their other responsibilities

Definitely not. They should be passing legislation addressing the "climate emergency." It's still an emergency, right?

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-05 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

All politicians have to calculate the balance of good they can do IF they are in office against one or two particular feel good things they'd like to do.... and then lose the ability to affect policy in economics, foreign affairs, domestic social net and other issues that help middle America because they appeared to be partisan pols to swing voters.

So is impeachment "good" or "feel good" in your view? After all, they may "lose the ability to affect policy" later if they aren't reelected.

Jeez you are pathetic.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-09-05 10:28 PM | Reply

Notice how all these Republicans who claim they don't like Trump, and say the Democrats ought to impeach Trump, are perfectly content with the majority of Republicans in Congress never making a peep in support of impeaching Trump.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-05 10:55 PM | Reply

"Notice how all these Republicans who claim they don't like Trump, and say the Democrats ought to impeach Trump, are perfectly content with the majority of Republicans in Congress never making a peep in support of impeaching Trump.

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Ever notice how some people foolishly think that a party is going to start impeachment proceedings against their own party?

Bad deflection from a member of the party of cowards. You yourself admitted, snoofy, that dems don't bring about impeachment proceedings because they don't think they would win because of the Republican Senate.

How does it feel to vote for cowards?

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-05 11:01 PM | Reply

Isn't it funny to see Republicans so worried about Democrats proceed... I'm sure it's heart felt and not just some douche trying to steer the narrative.

#31 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-09-06 07:06 AM | Reply

Dems either need to introduce articles of impeachment or focus on 2020.

Dancing around impeachment without ever doing anything is only going to anger their base which is the last thing they can afford heading into 2020.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-09-06 07:26 AM | Reply

"Dems either need to introduce articles of impeachment or focus on 2020."

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Threat of impeachment needs to remain on the table while we also campaign against Orange Hitler.

"Bad deflection from a member of the party of cowards. You yourself admitted, snoofy, that dems don't bring about impeachment proceedings because they don't think they would win because of the Republican Senate."

Recognizing obvious facts is not the same thing as cowardice. Hiding behind McConnell and Trump is though, many Republicans in Congress understand fully well how unlawful this President is but are too cowardly to stand up and say so.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-06 09:10 AM | Reply

-We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

citation?

but seriously, the real danger here of allowing a threat to loom is that will anger hard lefties who want action and it might lead them to stay home and more importantly, it might hurt with the undecided crowd in the swing states.

If we want Trump out, then we can't take that risk....and dumbest thing we can do is threaten impeachment with no intention of pursuing it.

Trump will know if it's a bluff.....

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 09:22 AM | Reply

Zion Don has utterly shattered these xim/xe/xirs' fragile psychologies. The same people who spent more than a decade watching comedy news are now shocked and outraged about milquetoast republican policy enacted by Orange Man Bad, who happens to sh*tpost on twitter, even after their half-black race-healer destroyed Libya and created another safe haven for the modern-day slave trade.

#35 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-09-07 04:31 AM | Reply

Dems will be satisfied to beat him at the polls. And maybe pick up the Senate, too if they don't piss off swing voters with an ill-advised trip down a dead end road.
#26 | Posted by Corky at 2019-09-05 10:01 PM

Could be. There's a first time for everything.
So far Dems are 0-1 vs a never-before-entered-politics newcomer blowhard with no relevant job experience, multiple sex scandals, twice divorced with a lack of backing of much of the party he hoped to represent and berated by the majority of the media.
Let's see how they fare against the President of the United States of America.

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-09-07 10:38 AM | Reply

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