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President Donald Trump's latest attack on working families will hit especially hard in the states that voted for him: More than half of the people who are set to lose access to food stamps under regulations proposed this summer live in states that went for Trump in 2016.

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"I was surprised by the extent of the impact in some of the southern states, such as Texas," Mathematica senior research programmer Sarah Lauffer said. The impact was always going to be severe in states that apply the current rules in the most generous fashion, but southern states have generally not extended their eligibility lines quite as far. Despite that, Lauffer said, her team found "34% of elderly Texans receiving benefits will lose them through this rule."

Almost 400,000 people in Texas currently receiving Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits would lose them. Another 328,000 in Florida, 200,000 in New York, 97,000 in Georgia, and 176,000 in Washington state face cuts, to name just a few standouts. Almost one in five Wisconsin households currently getting help with their groceries will lose the benefit, as well as 16% of such households in Oregon, Nevada, Iowa, and Delaware. Two of every 13 SNAP households in Minnesota and Texas will have to find food money elsewhere.

The administration has always known it would be yanking food assistance away from millions. Department of Agriculture (USDA) officials said as much when they announced the new regulations in August. "It doesn't make any sense to us," Food Research Action Center's Ellen Vollinger said. "Taking food away from people is just going to make their food security situation worse, make them hungrier. It will have a negative effect on the economy at a time when some economists are warning us we would be in for another downturn."

So much winning it's making stomachs ache all over America....

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-05 08:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

But didn't you hear?

The "left" are meanies!

Cordially
The DR ----- Grabbed Pearl Clutching Redhat Manboy Brigade

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-09-05 09:28 PM | Reply

So what you are saying is that SporkGoat is going to lose some of his 400 lbs?

#3 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-09-06 04:39 AM | Reply

Donald Trump will never be accused of having a heart. Evil piece of filth born with a silver spoon thinks he earned everything he has. I'd be embarrassed to admit I voted for him. Actually, I'd be ashamed.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-09-06 09:55 AM | Reply

"Trump won Wisconsin by less than 23,000 votes last time. He'll have dumped 118,000 Wisconsin residents off of food stamps by Election Day if the rule goes through as planned.

One in every nine people currently benefiting from SNAP in Michigan will be booted under the rule " roughly 165,000 men, women, and children in total. Trump won the state by just 10,704 votes last go round.

In Pennsylvania, which Trump carried by just under 47,000 votes, his food stamps cut will dump more than five times that many people off the food-aid rolls."

Trump will take away their right to vote before the next election anyway. He's not worried.

:-)

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 10:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let them eat Sharpies.

~ The bloated------------ ~

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-09-06 01:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Trump has been abusing red states since he entered office. Most of them will vote for him anyway, like battered children who still think daddy's gonna buy them a pony.

#7 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-06 02:02 PM | Reply

"Trump has been abusing red states since he entered office. Most of them will vote for him anyway, like battered children who still think daddy's gonna buy them a pony.

#7 | POSTED BY JOE "

Yes, just as blacks will still vote democrat in spite of how badly dems treat them and ignore them and promote illegal immigration that costs jobs blacks usually have. But they, too, are like battered humans who still think the dems are going to buy them a pony.

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The difference, of course, being that the alternative major party would objectively make matters even worse for blacks.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-06 02:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-Trump has been abusing red states since he entered office. Most of them will vote for him anyway, like battered children who still think daddy's gonna buy them a pony.

Yes.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-06 02:22 PM | Reply

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"The difference, of course, being that the alternative major party would objectively make matters even worse for blacks.

#9 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-09-06 02:19 PM "

Thank you for your opinion.

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 02:22 PM | Reply

You're welcome.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-06 02:24 PM | Reply

It's for their own good. A little adversity will help them break out of scarcity driven loser mentality.

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-09-06 06:06 PM | Reply

Oy

#14 | Posted by LostAngeles at 2019-09-06 06:14 PM | Reply

I'm questioning their numbers.

The rule change that I can tell still allows for elderly and disabled to receive benefits.

The main change is in the auto enrollment. So many of the people they say would lose benefits would just have to enroll separately and could maintain benefits.

States could still allow expanded benefits but you wouldn't be categorically enrolled so once again you would just have to enroll separately.

From what I can tell it will just mean more work for recipients but most could maintain the same benefits levels.

That said if it will be as bad as they say then that would be terrible. Food stamps are one of the best aids for families on the brink.

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-09-06 06:26 PM | Reply

It's for their own good. A little adversity will help them break out of scarcity driven loser mentality.

#13 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Have fun at the next klan rally. Make sure to wear a condom.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-09-06 08:10 PM | Reply

"Have fun at the next klan rally. Make sure to wear a condom.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY "

The king of zingers!

#17 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 08:11 PM | Reply

Stop the "Red State" nonsense where Libs imply Trump is hurting his base. He is not. The poor people on food stamps overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote - this is universal for ALL states. The same goes for all those tax transfer payments from 'Blue States' to 'Red States'. That money is not given out to the rich or middle class in the red states, it is given out to the poor people in the red states that overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote.

Lastly, in the greatest economy in 50 years with real wages clicking up much faster than inflation for the first time in decades, we need to encourage more people to become employed and off of the government teat.

#18 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 10:13 PM | Reply

"The poor people on food stamps overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote - this is universal for ALL states."

What a bald-faced lie.

Math alone proves you wrong, again and again. I'd ask where you got that schitt, but I'm sure it's from where you schitt.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-06 10:17 PM | Reply

"in the greatest economy in 50 years with real wages clicking up much faster than inflation for the first time in decades"

Who let that idiot Stephen Miller in here?

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-06 10:19 PM | Reply

"Math alone proves you wrong, again and again. I'd ask where you got that schitt, but I'm sure it's from where you schitt.
#19 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

www.people-press.org

Income under $30K, 60% Dem or lean Dem, 32% GOP or lean GOP.

Welcome to reality.

"Who let that idiot Stephen Miller in here?
#20 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Wage growth last quarter was 3.2%, inflation was 1.8%. As I said, first time we have sustained rates of wage growth faster than inflation. Also, worth noting it is wage growth in the bottom quartile of wage earners that is finally moving up - who would have ever predicted a tight labor market without a flood of undocumented, unskilled workers would drive up wages at the low end? - well, except for every person with a functioning brain.

So, 0 for 2 on this thread for you Doucheforth.

#21 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 10:34 PM | Reply

"Who let that idiot Stephen Miller in here?

#20 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-09-06 10:19 PM "

Profound and deeply meaningful rebuttal

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 10:57 PM | Reply

"So, 0 for 2 on this thread for you Doucheforth.

POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG "

Glad you limited it to this thread or we would have to be counting in scientific notation.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 10:59 PM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Doucheforth is the worst poster on this board. He is the dangerous combination of dumb and lazy. I have posted the same links to him countless times - so either he has the memory of a goldfish, is just dishonest, or is mentally incapable to absorbing information counter to his progressive narrative. It is sad. He reminds of the neocons still pushing for more war in the face of all information saying how they have failed in every previous attempt.

#24 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-06 11:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The government makes $1,10 on every $1 of food stamps it gives away. That's because on everage every $dollar that come out of the ground (which is everything) gives back seven in economic activity, and was probably taxed when that happened

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-06 11:10 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

'round here we call that "Deliverance".

#26 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-06 11:13 PM | Reply

"Doucheforth is the worst poster on this board. He is the dangerous combination of dumb and lazy. I have posted the same links to him countless times - so either he has the memory of a goldfish, is just dishonest, or is mentally incapable to absorbing information counter to his progressive narrative. It is sad. He reminds of the neocons still pushing for more war in the face of all information saying how they have failed in every previous attempt.

#24 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG "

His biggest problem is his ego. He just always HAS to be right, even when proven over and over he's not. He'll still keep arguing he is. It's fascinating to watch.

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-06 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He just always HAS to be right, even when proven over and over he's not. He'll still keep arguing he is. It's fascinating to watch.

This literally describes Goatman.

Well done.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-09-06 11:16 PM | Reply

"His biggest problem is his ego. He just always HAS to be right, even when proven over and over he's not. He'll still keep arguing he is. It's fascinating to watch."

This also literally describes Trump.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-09-07 01:19 AM | Reply

If we starve the poor, wages will go up and taxes will go down.

Genius!

#30 | Posted by bored at 2019-09-07 02:19 AM | Reply

The government makes $1,10 on every $1 of food stamps it gives away. That's because on everage every $dollar that come out of the ground (which is everything) gives back seven in economic activity, and was probably taxed when that happened

#25 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

According to the USDA, every dollar spent on SNAP spurs $1.79 in economic activity(1.8 multiplier effect). Instead of stunting the U.S. economy, SNAP helps keep up demand for farm products and food, thereby boosting growth and jobs.

Economists at the US Department of Agriculture found that government spending on food stamps has been pretty effective in stimulating the economy since the start of the Great Recession. And more specifically, it has been most effective in helping rural America, the kinds of places where voters overwhelmingly supported Trump in the 2016 election.

Researchers found that every $22,000 in tax dollars spent on food stamps between 2001 to 2014 created about one job. Grocery subsidies, which families usually spend right away, immediately pumped money into rural supermarkets and small businesses (and their employees) at a time when jobs were scarce.

One job for every $22,000 tax dollars may not seem like a lot, but it is when you consider that the federal government spends about $70 billion a year on food subsidies for low-income families.

And here's another surprising conclusion from the report: Spending on SNAP benefits helped the US economy more than most types of government spending (like infrastructure or defense spending).

This will harm a substantial portion of Trump's own base heading into an election year. I'm sure struggling, starving Trump supporters won't notice who literally took the food out of their mouths as Trump eats his "wonderful" chocolate cake at Mar-a-Lago.

What a remarkable political move by the Donald. He's a stable genius like that.

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-07 07:58 AM | Reply

Researchers found that every $22,000 in tax dollars spent on food stamps between 2001 to 2014 created about one job.

For comparison's sake, the state of Wisconsin's subsidy to Foxconn:

(Wisconsin's) $2.85 billion in cash payments, according to the analysis, would amount to $219,000 per job if 13,000 jobs are created and $587,000 per job if 3,000 jobs are created.
At minimum SNAP is 10 times more effective in creating jobs than WI's deal with Foxconn, almost up to 20 times more effective with the added benefit of helping millions of American families including children, the elderly, and many hard working people from coast to coast.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-07 08:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"I'm sure struggling, starving Trump supporters won't notice who literally took the food out of their mouths as Trump eats his "wonderful" chocolate cake at Mar-a-Lago."

The GOP has dealt with accusations of starving kids (food stamps school lunches)and pushing grannies off cliffs in wheelchairs for several decades.

This is not new. Partisanship trumps all

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-07 09:31 AM | Reply

The GOP has dealt with accusations of starving kids (food stamps school lunches)and pushing grannies off cliffs in wheelchairs for several decades.

Only because the individuals who espouse such things are usually found inside the GOP, and not as determinant voices within other parties. Or they use the GOP to forward policies many within it don't always agree with - often for simple humanitarian reasons - while still believing in and supporting the broader conservative ethos.

The label applies to those whose actions fit the description. Funny how the rightwing's number one political effort right now is to tie each and every grandiose policy wish uttered by any Democratic presidential contender to the entirety of Democrats everywhere, as if taking on serious issues and problems with non-status quo ideas should be immediately disqualifying. But pointing out that this President is making a considered decision to take away food support for millions of Americans and that many of those affected are Trump supporters is partisan?

No, it's just a matter of fact. I don't believe that any President should try and hurt those already pressing to live and thrive at the very margins of our society while simultaneously making it a priority to bestow trillions of tax dollars to those already blessed with accumulated wealth.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-07 10:34 AM | Reply

"For comparison's sake, the state of Wisconsin's subsidy to Foxconn:
(Wisconsin's) $2.85 billion in cash payments, according to the analysis, would amount to $219,000 per job if 13,000 jobs are created and $587,000 per job if 3,000 jobs are created."

This comparison is so stupid it can only be the result of liberal logic. Let me help you out here:

1.) The Foxconn jobs created ARE NOT FOR ONE YEAR ONLY. Spending money on foodstamps stirs 'economic activity' for exactly 1 year - then the food is consumed and the jobs end. The jobs at Foxconn will stick around for decades.

2.) The jobs at Foxconn will be much, much more than the jobs created as grocery stockers, etc to support the delivery of food from food stamps.

So, the jobs at Foxconn not only generate much more income per year, but they generate that for decades.

"At minimum SNAP is 10 times more effective in creating jobs than WI's deal with Foxconn,"

Only in a world using Liberal Math.

#32 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

This attempt at thinking on your part fell way short.

#35 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:41 AM | Reply

Tony, I mentioned "partisanship" in reference to trump voters who won't back off their support of him in spite of this proposed cut.

By the way, I don't think this is going anywhere. We are going to cut food stamps.

Suggestions like this at this point get Republicans, not on food stamps, all excited and happy.

I don't think people on food stamps pay attention to news like this.

I don't disagree with anything else you said,though

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-07 10:42 AM | Reply

Republicans talk tough about food stamps but in the end they never really do much about them.

You can't cut food stamps and not harm farmers at the same time.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-07 10:45 AM | Reply

I don't think people on food stamps pay attention to news like this.

I disagree. I interface with people on food stamps, professionally and personally, and all of them worry when reports like this come out. What's worse is that many of them do not understand the technicalities of what the changes might bring and the reports lead to rumors in their communities that may or may not be completely accurate. But i think it's wrong to assume they don't pay attention to this stuff. It's how they eat, how they feed their children.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-07 11:17 AM | Reply

#31 | Posted by tonyroma

It's "Bigly", not wonderfil.

#39 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-07 11:18 AM | Reply

Republicans talk tough about food stamps but in the end they never really do much about them.

That's part of the point. It isn't congressional Republicans doing this, it's wholly Trump. It's in the article. Rural GOP reps and senators understand the math and they recognize the hardships that millions of Americans face every day. The GOP backs SNAP, they know it's popular and effective. The only reasons Trump is attacking it are based on politics he believes will help HIM, not the party.

The American people are not clamoring to take away food assistance from other American families. Far too many of us already know (or have friends, family or coworkers) who use, need, or have needed food assistance at some point in time. It happens and these times are not stable for those living paycheck to paycheck - which is far too many of us.

It's impossible to say that food benefits - which are proven economic boosts wherever they're used - should be a budget cut priority for a president who squanders tens of millions traveling to golf at his own properties, continually on the taxpayer's dime.

I do disagree with you and am predicting the winds are changing to the point Trump supporters may turn on him in greater numbers than ever. Trump's naked greed and self dealing are quickly becoming big issues that he might not be able to deflect from. Even Republicans will be hard pressed to force hardships onto struggling supporters as this president scoops up government money for himself while passing the tab to these same taxpayers.

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-07 11:21 AM | Reply

"I disagree. I interface with people on food stamps, professionally and personally, and all of them worry when reports like this come out."

Poor people in cities might worry about it.

But as tony pointed out, many if not most snap recipients are trumpers.

How can they worry about it and support the same guy threatening to cut it?

Answer? They're not worried about it.

Joe, what you really mean to say is that you WISH they worried about it.

Nobody's going to cut food stamps.

Trump is just keeping the rednecks excited

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-07 11:36 AM | Reply

Tony, I pretty much agree with everything you're saying.

But the part where a lot of people are going to run from Trump ... No chance.

You need to let that go. It's not going to happen. Trump can only be defeated narrowly in a few swing states that the Democrats play their cards right.

Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-07 11:41 AM | Reply

Income under $30K, 60% Dem or lean Dem, 32% GOP or lean GOP. Welcome to reality.

How many of them vote? You don't have a clue.

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-07 11:44 AM | Reply

#40 | Posted by tonyroma

What are Dems going to do? Stop taking the big money and stand up for the Man? Stop allowing in the insane SJW's? That's as bad as Republicans letting in the KKK. I swear to Our Dread Lord (while safely protected by my Elder Sign) we need to merge parties three and four (Green and the Consitutionalists). We add an amendment saying if you aren't Green we camp you for re-education, and the merger is solved.

#44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-07 11:45 AM | Reply

The government makes $1,10 on every $1 of food stamps it gives away. That's because on everage every $dollar that come out of the ground (which is everything) gives back seven in economic activity, and was probably taxed when that happened

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat

And they spend 80% on administration. The government only steels money from the taxpayer. They add NO value to anything they do.

#45 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-07 11:46 AM | Reply

The government is like the mob. They skim money off every transaction a working person does.

#46 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-09-07 11:50 AM | Reply

And they spend 80% on administration. - POSTED BY SNIPER

Approximately 92 percent of federal SNAP funding goes towards the beneficiaries. Only eight percent is spent on administrative costs, such as salaries, training and nutrition education.
Danni's right, you're one lying, ignorant, idiotic mofo....

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-09-07 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's going to be a short list of questions when the Alliance Stortroopers arrive.

1. Vegan? Yes or no.
2. Do you recycle?
3. ...

#48 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-07 12:05 PM | Reply

#47 | Posted by tonyroma

Yeah and overhead on medicare is 3%

It's 20-30% with private companies. One law would drop our medicine prices to a quarter: "You can't charge more in America than you do overseas".

National Health Care, now. You get my vote even if you want to nuke Great Bigbadlandistan.

#49 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-09-07 12:17 PM | Reply

Democrats play their cards right.

Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina.

Posted by eberly

Scroll down to the map and mouse over those states (PA too):

morningconsult.com

#50 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-09-07 12:54 PM | Reply

Right wingers have been trained to believe that all welfare goes to black inner city welfare queens scamming the system for generations.

The highest rates of generational welfare and poverty are in lily white rural republican counties in Kentucky. In McCreary County Kentucky the population is over 95% white, voted over 90% for Trump, and more than 40% of the total gross income in the county came from government assistance programs.

#51 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-07 12:55 PM | Reply

Wage growth last quarter was 3.2%, inflation was 1.8%. As I said, first time we have sustained rates of wage growth faster than inflation. Also, worth noting it is wage growth in the bottom quartile of wage earners that is finally moving up

So I have to ask, is this because hourly wages have actually risen or is it because more people are able to pick up a part time job and work more hours?

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-07 01:07 PM | Reply

He reminds of the neocons still pushing for more war in the face of all information saying how they have failed in every previous attempt.

#24 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Or righties pushing for more tax cuts because they still claim trickle down works.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2019-09-07 01:08 PM | Reply

Poor people in cities might worry about it.

So...millions of people that you incorrectly broad-brushed? And the people i interface with who worry about cuts aren't only in cities anyway.

many if not most snap recipients are trumpers.

Many? Sure. Most? Citation needed, contradicted by the following: www.pewresearch.org

How can they worry about it and support the same guy threatening to cut it?

Cognitive dissonance.

At the end of the day, you claimed that people on food stamps aren't worried about this. Now you're cutting that back to rura Trumper food stamp recipients. Let me know when you're done paring down your claim so i know what i'm responding to.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-07 01:18 PM | Reply

"Wage growth last quarter was 3.2%"

4% was promised, and 4% is needed for the Trump Tax Giveaway to "only" cost taxpayers $2.3 Trillion.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 01:18 PM | Reply

The poor people on food stamps overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote - this is universal for ALL states.

That is a lie.

Rural White republican counties have the highest poverty rates and the highest welfare rates.

#56 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-07 01:20 PM | Reply

The government is like the mob. They skim money off every transaction a working person does.

#46 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2019-09-07 11:50 AM | REPLY |

If you believe that why do you keep voting for the party that keeps shifting the tax burden from corporations and rich people to the working people?

#57 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-09-07 01:23 PM | Reply

Scroll down to the map and mouse over those states

Presidential approval rating never tracks with election results. The reason is that "do you approve of Trump" is a different question than "would you vote for him over this particular Democratic candidate." When there is an opponent to drag through the mud for a year the results will be a lot closer than you or i want them to be.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2019-09-07 01:24 PM | Reply

"So, 0 for 2 on this thread..."

Your claim was ALL. Alabama and Kentucky alone prove you wrong.

I'm surprised goatman hasn't screamed "reading is fundamental" at you. Plus, it really upsets him when folks pretend to know how someone else voted.

I'm sure, to show his consistency, he'll be taking you to task any post now.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 01:34 PM | Reply

IraGoldberg, I say this with sincere admiration that if you are not some poster's sock puppet designed mainly to really annoy liberals with dishonest posts, you should be. You're perfect.

#60 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-09-07 01:58 PM | Reply

What people fail to understand (and I'm probably repeating myself) is that when Trump says he will gut social services, the majority of white people who voted for him will suffer.He's not taking social services from colored peopled people only. He's hitting everybody. He's hitting every poor #MAGA zombie.That means lots of poor middle class white women are going to hit the corners and Truck park to suck off men for food this Christmas. This could be your wife, daughter, or mommy, Bubba.

So how do you like them reality apples? Eh?

You know who's going to luck out? The elderly and real disabled.

Man, I can't wait for Medicaid to pay for my home health aide. For a Christmas bonus, some cutie's going to play "---------------" with me. Hey! Don't yell at me. YOU voted for Trump and his paid Russian whore, Melania. I mean YOUR FLOTUS.

Reality bites, eh?

#61 | Posted by Goose_Boils at 2019-09-07 03:47 PM | Reply

"He's not taking social services from colored peopled people only. He's hitting everybody."

Trump voters don't mind.
Seriously, just ask them, and they'll tell you it's fine.
There's always going to be collateral damage, when we set out to destroy things.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 03:49 PM | Reply

"The highest rates of generational welfare and poverty are in lily white rural republican counties in Kentucky. In McCreary County Kentucky the population is over 95% white, voted over 90% for Trump, and more than 40% of the total gross income in the county came from government assistance programs.
#51 | POSTED BY HATTER5183"

Now let's dig into your nonsense to find the actual facts:

In 2018, McCreary county has 37.7% turnout. Of the Dems (25% of registered voters in the county), they had a whopping 19.8% turnout. For the 75% of the county that is GOP, they have a 46.1% turnout. Why? Because poor people DON'T VOTE. Do you want to know where a huge sum of that government money is going? To the poor people that are registered as Democrat along with the poor people that don't vote...and yeah, probably some GOP voters as well.

#63 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 08:32 PM | Reply

"Your claim was ALL. Alabama and Kentucky alone prove you wrong.
#59 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Then you should have no problem linking to an exit poll for Alabama or Kentucky which shows a majority of voters earning less than $30K voted for the GOP over the Dems. I waiting you lying sack 'o ----.

#64 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 08:38 PM | Reply

www.pewforum.org

Income distribution among adults in Alabama by political party
Less than $30,000
36% Republican/lean Rep
16% No lean
48% Democrat/lean Dem.
Sample Size 150

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 08:55 PM | Reply

#65 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Thank you for proving my point - probably your first useful contribution ever on this site. Poor people vote for the Dems. Nationally, with a large sample size, it was 60/30 like I linked previously. If you got a voter participation by income range, you will find that poor people voter turn out is low.

#66 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 09:00 PM | Reply

"Nationally, with a large sample size, it was 60/30 like I linked previously."

Okay, but this simply isn't true:
"The poor people on food stamps overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote - this is universal for ALL states."

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:04 PM | Reply

"Okay, but this simply isn't true:
"The poor people on food stamps overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote - this is universal for ALL states."
#67 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Your own damn cut and paste proves point 1 - they vote Dem EVEN IN DEEP RED ALABAMA on a 4:3 ratio. Nationally, it is 2:1. Now, go get a study on voter turnout by income range and you can cut and paste that to prove to yourself that poor people, in general, don't vote. Take the 2 pieces together and you have my post verified even if your own links. Thanks for playing.

Or, you can just take this one from wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

#68 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 09:08 PM | Reply

"they vote Dem EVEN IN DEEP RED ALABAMA on a 4:3 ratio"

In other words, it's not true that "The poor people on food stamps overwhelmingly either 1.) vote Dem or 2.) don't vote - this is universal for ALL states."

In Alabama it's not even a majority that vote Dem, it's only 48%.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:10 PM | Reply

"poor people, in general, don't vote."

Great news for Republicans.
Bad news for Democracy.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Then you should have no problem linking to an exit poll for Alabama or Kentucky which shows a majority of voters earning less than $30K voted for the GOP over the Dems."

Check Hatter's info above for KY. For AL, all you really need is this image:
en.wikipedia.org

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 10:01 PM | Reply

"In Alabama it's not even a majority that vote Dem, it's only 48%.
#69 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

This is truly the argument you are going with? Really? This is exactly why people think you are a joke.

#72 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:02 PM | Reply

#71

Now, Rube, if you're going to pretend those red counties are the wealthiest, I've got a bridge to sell you.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 10:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#71 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I already debunked his nonsense just like I debunked yours. Try to keep up.

#74 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:03 PM | Reply

"just like I debunked yours."

www.cnn.com

#75 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 10:04 PM | Reply

"Now, Rube, if you're going to pretend those red counties are the wealthiest, I've got a bridge to sell you.
#73 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Despite your dreams for the future, we don't yet live in a communist utopia. As such, we have an unequal distribution of wealth. Among those with little to no money, they overwhelmingly vote for the Dems or don't vote at all. It is the same across all States. EVERY statistical analysis and exit survey says exactly that. Welcome to reality.

#76 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:05 PM | Reply

"just like I debunked yours."
www.cnn.com
#75 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Doucheforth, Corky already linked to the number for you - not from a PRIMARY, but from the general election. As he proved already, poor people vote for the Dems over the GOP at a 4:3 ratio even in Alabama, 2:1 nationally. Goatman was right about you.

#77 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:08 PM | Reply

"not from a PRIMARY"

My mistake.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 10:10 PM | Reply

"Corky already linked to the number for you "

"Corky" only appears once on this page once, in your post.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 10:11 PM | Reply

Here's the CNN Presidential exit poll.
www.cnn.com
Again, if you're telling me those red counties are the wealthiest, I've still got that bridge for sale.

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-09-07 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#80 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

I can accept your first couple futile attempts in this thread as just you being you - ignorant but filled with hubris. But now you have gone into outright liar mode. You link does not show what you claim it shows - and you know this. Unless you want to claim 100% of voters in each county vote the same way, you have shown nothing.

What matter is the break out of voters by income level - and this is what Snoofy provided in #65. You choose to ignore THAT ACTUALLY ---- DATA WE AR DEBATING because it destroys your argument. EVERY SINGLE exit poll and survey of political learning by income level shows poor people supporting Dems over the GOP. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Pretend all you want, that is reality.

#81 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 10:26 PM | Reply

"In Alabama it's not even a majority that vote Dem, it's only 48%.
#69 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"
This is truly the argument you are going with? Really? This is exactly why people think you are a joke.
#72 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

48% Democrat, being less than half, is hardly "overwhelming."
Especially next to 36% Republican.
As you said, it's a 4:3 ratio
That's hardly overwhelming.
Sorry if that makes you mad.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 10:34 PM | Reply

"EVERY SINGLE exit poll and survey of political learning by income level shows poor people supporting Dems over the GOP."

I dunno about "every single poll."
Rasmussen probably has one that shows different.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-07 11:07 PM | Reply

"Rasmussen probably has one that shows different.
#83 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Find it, link to it, or shut the hell up.

#84 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-09-07 11:31 PM | Reply

"Let me know when you're done paring down your claim so i know what i'm responding to."

You poor soul.

How about this.....

Take your fist.....and remove it from your sister......and put it in your own -----?

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-07 11:48 PM | Reply

This is good news.

Stop feeding all them losers. Trump's America dont need them. They breed like rats. If you stop feeding them they will stop breeding.

-Tepublican Logic

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-09-08 10:12 AM | Reply

"You can't cut food stamps and not harm farmers at the same time.
#37 | POSTED BY EBERLY"

Trump has already hurt farmers plenty.
You think he gives a rat's ass about farmers?
Do your idiot farmer neighbors still not get it?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 04:13 PM | Reply

"Trump has already hurt farmers plenty.
You think he gives a rat's ass about farmers?
Do your idiot farmer neighbors still not get it?

POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-09-08 04:13 PM "

I'll bet the extreme irony of this post flew right over your head. That being the case, I'll explain.

You weep crocodile tears for the farmers, then you call them idiots.

Spare us your faux outrage.

Spin as necessary, I'm not falling into a snoofy trap.

Bye, now!

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 04:16 PM | Reply

"You weep crocodile tears for the farmers, then you call them idiots."

The concept of empathy is alien to you, Goatman.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 04:20 PM | Reply

But, just like on the other thread, anything for Goatman to talk about me, and not talk about Trump's plan to cut food stamps.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 04:21 PM | Reply

Also, you're missing the frame of reference for this conversation.

I asked Eberly if his farmer neighbors get what Trump is trying to do to them a few months back.
His reply was that a few of them did.
Today, I'm asking if the idiots -- the ones who couldn't figure it out before -- can figure it out now.

I don't wish harm on idiots. They have enough problems. For example, they have a President who is trying to destroy them.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 04:23 PM | Reply

"The concept of empathy is alien to you, Goatman.

POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Says the guy who mere minutes ago accused someone of assigning false positions to him. LOL

Do as you say, not as you do, right snoofy?

You can't make this ---- up.

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2019-09-08 04:26 PM | Reply

--You weep crocodile tears for the farmers, then you call them idiots.

The urban blue bubble heads love sneering at people who live in "cow proximity."

#93 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-09-08 04:40 PM | Reply

"The concept of empathy is alien to you, Goatman.
POSTED BY SNOOFY "
Says the guy who mere minutes ago accused someone of assigning false positions to him. LOL"

^
This does a good job of showing that the concept of empathy is alien to you, Goatman.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 05:33 PM | Reply

Anyway, if Eberly has an answer, please do share!

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 05:35 PM | Reply

-You weep crocodile tears for the farmers, then you call them idiots.

He hates them. Not for being farmers....but because they vote republican.

The left doesn't care why someone doesn't vote for Democrats. Just that they don't. There is no additional rationalization or scrutiny needed.

Just vote for a democrat or I hate you.

Those are the terms.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2019-09-08 05:55 PM | Reply

"He hates them. Not for being farmers....but because they vote republican."

Nah.
I am disgusted by the pandering to farmers, like they're something special.
But that's no reason to hate farmers, and I don't.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 06:38 PM | Reply

"The left doesn't care why someone doesn't vote for Democrats. Just that they don't. There is no additional rationalization or scrutiny needed."

Like that time they wrote a best-seller called "What's The Matter With Kansas?"

It's kind of funny though, to hear a Clinton voter say Democrats hate farmers.

For whatever reason, you have chosen to act the fool today.

Carry on.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-09-08 06:41 PM | Reply

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